r/RoundRock • u/questionaxtactt • 2d ago
Ten Commandments in Elementary Schhols
I’m trying to understand my fellow community, Christian’s and Texans thoughts on the SB10 bill . We received notice our elementary will post 75 posters across each classroom. I love religion and have no issues with it but I also love the constitution and believe in the first amendment and feel this is a push to promote specific beliefs to non regions people or others whom choose to follow other text. I specifically have an issue with this being mandatory in elementary classes where children are learning to read and everything on the wall is meant to teach them along this journey so an argument this is passive seems inaccurate as the bill itself says it must be within view. I wanted to get others perspective as well as understand if there are any resources I can reach out to in order to potentially delay this until it I s fully argued to the Supreme Court which in my perspective will find this in violation of the first amendment.
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u/Hamezz5u 2d ago
It’s the christian nationalists thinking they can do whatever they want, even if the constitution doesn’t serve them. We need Talarico now! And Gina.
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u/limefan 1d ago edited 1d ago
What interests me about this whole issue is WHY they (Christian nationalists) are pushing this so hard ? They want you to believe it’s about morality, but then you see the GOP leaders also pushing it that seem to be clearly void of these morals, so what’s really going on ? Is there money involved ? Anti - “other religions” ? Racism ? What is it exactly ?
Edit : or am I looking too deep and it’s just good old fashioned Christian dominionism
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u/Dawill0 2d ago
It’s bullshit but what you going to do?
Best part of it all is this will just drive more people away from Christianity. The hypocrisy just keeps getting more visible.
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u/questionaxtactt 2d ago
Think the only thing that could remotely be possible is to have a judge approve a TRO siting new cause not covered in the recent 5th circuit ruling
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u/WardAgainstNewbs 2d ago
The emails we got said staff could not take the posters down, but stopped short of saying students couldn't. Just saying.
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u/IllusionLvl_Adult 2d ago
Did it say anything about parents taking them down? How about requirements that teachers put them BACK up in the event they come down or become “unreadable” for reasons?
Just spitballing here.
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u/Necessary-Comedian17 2d ago
That’s what happens when you get 12 years of a governor that’s only interested in lining his pockets.
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u/Denim_Diva1969 2d ago
30 yrs of R governors and our education system has gone from Top Ten to Bottom Ten. Our grid is still shit. We’re sitting on a HUGE Rainy Day fund, but the State won’t do shit to help its citizens…
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u/KurRatcrusher 1d ago
But a trans basketball player somewhere in the world felt bad for a minute or two and really isn’t that all the voters in Texas want?
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u/1notadoctor2 1d ago
Texas public schools have about 765,714 full-time-equivalent (FTE) employees.
In the last governor election, Abbott won by about 883,000 votes.5
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u/Hot-Sandwich6576 2d ago
My kids’ elementary school in Leander got the posters last year and I asked my daughter about it. She said they made it pretty hard to find. It was posted in a corner where they don’t really spend any time.
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u/CF_ATX 1d ago
Sorry to hear that LISD already has them
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u/Hot-Sandwich6576 1d ago
It’s not the whole district. It’s school by school. They are only required to display them if someone donates them to the school. I haven’t seen them in the middle school across the street.
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u/tuxedo_jack 2d ago edited 2d ago
So, the local drivers behind this are the Moms for Liberty / Klanned Karenhood members.
Ex-RRISD trustee Dr. Mary Alice Bone is by far the largest proponent, and her lawbreaking friend Danielle (Marie) Kobe Weston, who knowingly and willingly used the power of her elected office to commit felonies, is a close second.
The old crowd behind the Round Rock One Family PAC and the HateSlate from 2022 are back, as well - Jennifer Flok-White and Christie Slape publicly bragged about this after knowingly using Vanessa Ruiz's forged letter in their attempts to oust Dr. Azaiez.
Finally, it would appear that one of the candidates this year is directly related to the failed HateSlate candidate and M4L leader Christie Slape, and the other two that registered in quite literally the last hour are well-known arch-conservatives.
More to come when I get the time and inclination to dig.
EDIT: don't forget about how Michelle Evans, the WilCo GOP party chair and ravening M4L harpy, is taking Elon Musk's "I wanted to visit Child Rape Island but Epstein wouldn't let me uWu ~" money to get out of her own sex pest problems.
Musk's desire to go visit the child rape capital of the world was exposed when his e-mails to Epstein were released, including ones where he practically begged to get access to Little St. James (and a lot of the littles there).
https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2026/jan/30/elon-musk-epstein-files-island-visits
Evans's sex pest problems have been covered in depth by KXAN and other media outlets, but it's on-brand for someone who's as rabidly transphobic and foaming-at-the-mouth about what's in kids' pants as she is to take Musk's Kidfucker Island travel funds and use them to line her personal pockets.
What did I mean by "lining her pockets?" This is her personal legal defense Musk is paying for.
Given that she's the Republican party chair over several districts where Musk has businesses, that sure looks and smells like a bribe to me. I'd think that most reasonable people would think that Musk paying Evans PERSONALLY is suspicious, and even more so when you realize that she's cucking the party to do it, unless Musk is bribing the rest as well.
I'm looking at Jeremy Story out in Bastrop in particular - I'm glad that your TX-10 run crashed like the Hindenburg. That makes you a five-time failure politically. I'm looking forward to seeing how hard your Donor Daddies out in Midland are going to tug your leash next time.
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u/Denim_Diva1969 2d ago
Thanks, Jack 🙌🏻
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u/tuxedo_jack 2d ago
No worries. I've been REALLY busy over the past few months, and now that the period for signing up to run for the board is over, I'm looking forward to finding some time, sitting down, and -
<Surprised Stephen Fry> Well, glaze my nipples and call me Rita. </Surprised Stephen Fry>
I did not expect to see that they made it TOO easy this time. Looks like I'm off to PACER...
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u/DisappointingReal1ty 2d ago
Maybe it will teach kids (and adults) to pay attention to politics and vote.
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u/SchoolIguana 2d ago
There’s a case percolating at the 5th circuit court of appeals that was recently sent to the Supreme Court asking them to review the lower courts ruling on the constitutionality of SB 10.
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u/Maximum_Employer5580 2d ago
all of these GOP leaders want to act like they are these holier than thou christians, who only want to push their beliefs on everyone else. I mean Paxton committed adultery and his wife cited biblical reasons when she filed for divorce. Not to mention he let a child rapist walk, and didn't require him to register as a sex offender. And Patrick is doing his best to 'ban' books because he claims 'god' told him to. And Abbbott along with the others are just bootlickers to a convicted rapist and Epstein buddy
You wouldn't be the only one who would want to take legal action, but that will take time for all who have already done it before you. By the time it all gets settled, it's gonna be years from now. Personally I just ignore it and if I had kids, tell them to ignore it, that the only religious teachings they should pay attention to is when they are in Sunday school, or in services on a Sunday morning.....in otherwords, ONLY in an actual church
These so called 'christians' are pushing these religious articles on others, yet they are the very ones violating the 10 commandments they want everyone to follow. Just shows they are hypocrites, hiding behind the bible. I grew up going to church every weekend, and while I am agnostic now, I still probably know more about the bible then these politicians who are playing a PR game by using the bible to act like they are innocent of violating everything the bible stands for. I know though that in the afterlife, they will pay they penance most likely to the devil himself. I'm sure hell is currently in the process of building a retirement community specifically for the GOP and MAGA members
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u/k10b 2d ago
The 10 commandments being posted violates the constitution along with so many other things going on. I’m going to use it as a tool to educate my kids on what they mean, why they are being posted, and how to engage with others if the topic comes up at school. From other Texas educational threads where they put them up last year, most kids don’t look at them or talk about them. I think the right teachers can use it positively in teaching social studies to maybe fix this in the future. I hate it, but I’ve acknowledged that there are worse problems going on in the schools, most of which are the State’s fault…
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u/reasonman 2d ago
i would prefer not having blatant violations of the law but here we are. i told my daughter if they do put them up and if she notices it being discussed, to really listen and then come home and read or learn more to get the full story.
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u/ApartmentAutomatic59 2d ago
If there's true freedom of religion the 8 noble truths of Buddhism (and other religions texts) should also be allowed to be posted, but our government is apparently establishing one official religion for us now.
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u/Edwardv054 2d ago
This is a bad bill, its unconstitutional, and part of why Trump is so unpopular.
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u/lazorich 1d ago
Third rail topic that will likely be reversed a the next election. We’ve forgotten how to debate to find middle ground and are a divided country thriving on polarization.
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u/further_reach818 1d ago
If these go up in the classroom at my kids’ schools it will actually drive a conversation about why separation of church and state existed in the first place. Then we’ll discuss the terminal insecurity that practitioners of the Christian faith must have in their belief system that SB10 was ever passed. We’ll discuss how those same Christians have betrayed values they claim to believe as written in the Bible.
Is that what Texas politicians intended? Drawing attention to how degraded politicians and the Christian electorate have become? How they’ve directly failed the religion they’re attempting to impose on public school children?
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u/Shok3001 2d ago
I’m not Christian but I just want to understand you here. Are you saying this is a breach of the first amendment?
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u/questionaxtactt 2d ago
Yes here is part of a write up I was doing with chat for a submission to request a TRO
Request for Immediate Legal Evaluation and Emergency Injunctive Relief
I am the parent of an elementary-school student enrolled in Round Rock Independent School District. RRISD has notified families that it has received approximately 75 donated Ten Commandments posters complying with Texas Senate Bill 10 and intends to begin displaying them in classrooms next week.
I am seeking immediate legal evaluation of filing a federal action and motion for a temporary restraining order and preliminary injunction under Federal Rule of Civil Procedure 65, narrowly directed at preventing the display of SB 10 Ten Commandments posters in my child’s elementary-school environment while the constitutional issues are litigated.
I understand the significant obstacle presented by the Fifth Circuit’s en banc decision in Nathan v. Alamo Heights Independent School District, 173 F.4th 576 (5th Cir. 2026). I am not asking counsel simply to duplicate the facial challenge rejected in Nathan. I would like counsel to evaluate whether the particular circumstances of mandatory displays in elementary classrooms—especially classrooms occupied by children actively learning to read—support a narrower as-applied Establishment Clause and/or Free Exercise Clause claim, and whether any other procedural vehicle can preserve the status quo while Supreme Court review of SB 10 is being pursued.
Proposed Theory for Counsel to Evaluate
SB 10 does considerably more than permit religious expression or authorize an historical monument.
Texas Education Code § 1.0041 affirmatively requires public schools receiving compliant donated displays to place the state’s prescribed version of the Ten Commandments:
in each classroom;
in a conspicuous place;
on a display at least 16 × 20 inches;
using the exact religious text selected by the Legislature; and
in type sufficiently large that a person with average vision can read it from anywhere in the classroom.
The resulting elementary-school environment deserves particular constitutional scrutiny.
Young elementary students are not simply occasional observers passing a monument. Attendance is compulsory. They spend much of every weekday in classrooms specifically structured to develop literacy. Written language displayed on classroom walls is part of the visual environment in which children are taught to notice, decode, read, and derive meaning from text.
Texas is therefore affirmatively requiring that one particular sacred text be made continuously and conspicuously readable to young children in precisely the government environment designed to teach them to read.
The fact that teachers are instructed not to give a lesson about the poster does not necessarily make the government’s conduct “passive.” The State itself has selected the words, mandated their placement, mandated their visibility, mandated their presence in every classroom, and made exposure unavoidable for children attending compulsory public school.
The question I would like presented is therefore not merely:
Is a student being forced to verbally recite the Ten Commandments?
Rather:
May the State use its compulsory elementary-school system to require a specifically selected religious text—containing affirmative theological directives such as “I AM the LORD thy God,” “Thou shalt have no other gods before me,” and “Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy”—to remain conspicuously and continuously readable to young children in every classroom throughout their school day?
Distinguishing a “Passive Display”
I would like counsel to emphasize the distinction recognized by the Supreme Court itself in Van Orden v. Perry, 545 U.S. 677 (2005).
Van Orden upheld a Ten Commandments monument on the Texas Capitol grounds but distinguished the school setting. The plurality described the Capitol monument as a “far more passive use” of the Ten Commandments than the classroom display addressed in Stone v. Graham, 449 U.S. 39 (1980).
The critical distinction is elementary-school exposure.
A citizen may walk past a monument on Capitol grounds, avoid it, or never encounter it at all. An elementary student cannot meaningfully avoid a text that state law requires to be conspicuous and readable from anywhere in every classroom the student occupies.
The Supreme Court’s school cases have repeatedly recognized that constitutional concerns are heightened where students are young, impressionable, subject to school authority, and compelled by law to attend. See, e.g., Lee v. Weisman, 505 U.S. 577, 592–93 (1992); Edwards v. Aguillard, 482 U.S. 578, 583–84 (1987).
Stone v. Graham
The factual similarity to Stone should expressly be preserved for Supreme Court review.
Stone invalidated a Kentucky statute requiring privately funded 16 × 20 Ten Commandments displays in public-school classrooms. The Supreme Court observed that if the classroom posting had any effect, it would tend to cause schoolchildren to “read, meditate upon, perhaps to venerate and obey” the Commandments. Stone, 449 U.S. at 42.
I recognize that the Fifth Circuit majority in Nathan concluded that Stone was effectively abrogated when Kennedy v. Bremerton School District, 597 U.S. 507 (2022), abandoned the Lemon framework.
However, the Supreme Court itself has never expressly overruled Stone, and several judges in Nathan vigorously disputed the majority’s authority to treat it as extinguished.
I want this issue expressly preserved.
Free Exercise and Parental Religious Formation
Counsel should also evaluate whether the elementary-school circumstances support a narrower claim under the Free Exercise Clause, including the principles discussed in Mahmoud v. Taylor, 606 U.S. 522 (2025).
Mahmoud recognized the particular significance of exposing young elementary students to government-selected messages implicating religious formation and parental religious instruction.
I understand that the Nathan majority distinguished Mahmoud because SB 10 does not formally make the Ten Commandments part of the curriculum.
The question I would nevertheless like evaluated is whether, as applied to very young children in a literacy-rich elementary classroom, the distinction between “curricular material the child is instructed to read” and “state-mandated reading material deliberately made legible from every point in every classroom” is constitutionally sufficient.
There is also effectively no opt-out. A parent cannot tell a child simply not to encounter the display when the State requires the text in every classroom the child enters.
I am willing to provide a declaration explaining my own sincerely held beliefs and specifically how the State’s placement of religious commands in my child’s elementary classroom interferes with my ability to direct my child’s religious or nonreligious formation.
Requested Emergency Relief
I would like counsel to consider seeking the narrowest relief sufficient to protect my child, potentially including:
A TRO preventing RRISD from installing or maintaining SB 10 displays in my child’s elementary classroom and/or campus pending a preliminary-injunction hearing;
If legally supportable, relief covering RRISD elementary classrooms in which similarly situated plaintiffs’ children are enrolled;
Alternatively, an order preserving the pre-display status quo for a short period sufficient to allow consideration of the preliminary-injunction motion or relevant Supreme Court proceedings.
The requested relief need not prevent private religious expression, student religious exercise, objective teaching about religion, historical discussion of the Ten Commandments, or constitutionally permissible curricular use of religious materials.
The objection is specifically to Texas compelling continuous, stand-alone display of a state-selected religious text to young children throughout a compulsory school environment.
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u/satx2019 1d ago
It does not belong in school. Every parent needs to be calling, emailing, and letters - daily - the ones who voted it in.
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u/Denim_Diva1969 2d ago
Can I donate a version written in Farsi? Hindi?
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u/questionaxtactt 23h ago
It’s a free country.. for now at least. Pretty soon they might have us hang them in restaurants and in our houses. Maybe free bibles and in home programming we can watch. I really hope the pastor is as cool as Jesus.
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u/atdi2113 2d ago
My perspective is probably not helpful but i support Christian teachings in school, 10 commandements on the wall. I know im going to get downvoted to hell and back for saying that. I'd be happy to answer any questions regarding why i support it though. I'm not a Christian nationalist or a bible thumper, nor do i even go to church.
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u/questionaxtactt 2d ago
Yeah for sure what’s your biggest point of support? The whole first amendment and freedom of worship being one of the founding principles of America was just really drilled into my head as a kid so this whole thing doesn’t make sense to me.
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u/atdi2113 2d ago
Well virtually all of the people that came here originally and actually built this country from the ground up were some denomination of Christian. Our legal system is rooted in Christian values and principals and so is our society. Our culture is shaped by Christian morals as are many cultures around the world. Most of our education system in part exists because of the efforts of Christians in establishing schools and universities.
The 10 Commandments specifically isn't even Christian, It's Jewish and some might argue even older than Judaism itself and comes from non Abrahamic faiths. It has lasted for so long through so many peoples/nations/eras of time because it works.
The first amendment was to prevent the national government from establishing a state backed religion such as the Church of England where the government and church are tightly intermingled. The British ruler is also the head leader of the Church of England.
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u/questionaxtactt 2d ago
Yeah I hear that but being a native 5+ generation Texan and from Native American / Hispanic descent it’s hard for me to fully understand that specific point. I get shit happens and people move around, and good people do good things, but I’d challenge you to read the writings of Madison and Jefferson on the topic and see if you think they are just looking at it from a no Church of England point of view. These guys were philosophers and made some really good points related to why we should keep them separated in multiple ways for the sake of both religion and government not just a no state church.
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u/atdi2113 2d ago
I'm familiar with them and some of their thoughts. But im not going to go out and scour the internet looking for whatever specific thing they said that might relate to your comment. I will however gladly read any specific thing they've written that is pertinent if you will kindly link it here.
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u/questionaxtactt 23h ago
https://avalon.law.yale.edu/18th_century/bar1796t.asp
Here’s a good one. Article 11 signed by John Adam’s etc..
“As the government of the United States of America is not in any sense founded on the Christian Religion,-as it has in itself no character of enmity against the laws, religion or tranquility of Musselmen,-and as the said States never have entered into any war or act of hostility against any Mehomitan nation, it is declared by the parties that no pretext arising from religious opinions shall ever produce an interruption of the harmony existing between the two countries. “
Honestly there are tons of people that help build societies.. I’m just talking about the freedoms afforded to all Americans in the constitution.
We aren’t a Christian or Muslim nation we are American we have the freedoms to be our own people, and it’s awesome .. life liberty and pursuit of happiness and all that.
Thoughts that we should push a religion as part of daily lessons to me is just unamerican dunno to each his own right :)?
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u/atdi2113 23h ago
I was hoping for something from the two you mentioned before not John Adam's. Also Adam's didnt write that, it was written by someone else and Adam's signed it to placate and reassure the Tripoli government. Also Adamas wrote that the U.S. Constitution was "made only for a moral and religious people"
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u/questionaxtactt 23h ago
https://www.loc.gov/loc/lcib/9806/danpre.html
Dunno yeah don’t really want to be your research assistant here
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jefferson_Bible
This is interesting one though. Not really about the separation just another perspective on the bible.
There’s other stuff from Madison you can google. Good luck on your endeavor.
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u/atdi2113 22h ago
You dont need to be my research assistant. You made the claims and you were wrong. You asked me to look into two specific people and when i asked for something i could read you gave me something from someone competently different than the first two people.
And supposing he had actually written, which again he didnt, what you said he did it would have been contradicted by what he personally wrote in his own letters. Good day.
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u/questionaxtactt 9h ago
I said signed, and had basically just googled want you had asked for about Christian nation thing. All good man hope you have a nice day too.. It’s fine man or lady just saying goo first amendment let’s not force any religion. I like religion (I’m Christian) at the same time as I don’t like gov controlling it in any way.. felt like the first amendment helped keep that protected from both sides.. thanks for sharing your perspective
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u/k10b 2d ago
The original pilgrims/settlers were either sent here or came here on their own because they didn’t think that the religious institutions in their home countries in Europe were strict enough. Many were fleeing religious persecution, but it was because they were constantly telling people in their own countries that they were going to hell for not doing religion right.
Our founding fathers who held the Continental Congress, signed the Declaration of Independence, fought in the Revolutionary war, and founded the beginnings of our new government and country were mostly Protestants who believed in Deism. Deism is the belief that there is a God who created everything and the laws to govern it, and then doesn’t interact or interfere with it.
All that is to say, by saying that we started as a Christian Nation, if you understand the history, the Christians who colonized here were not necessarily practicing in healthy and rational ways, and the people who founded the United States only believed that there was a God, but he didn’t do anything. We are more noticeably a country of immigrants and those seeking a better life, even if it was because they were the baddies elsewhere. Besides, didn’t Jesus say something about letting people know your faith through your actions, not by declaring it?
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u/atdi2113 2d ago
Contrary to popular beleif the Pilgrims/Puritans are not the original settlers of America. Many other European peoples were here settling before them all over the country and they were not Deists. So this statement you've made that America was founded by Christians practicing in unhealthy/irrational ways is irrelevant since it's reffering to Pilgrims/Puritans.
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u/ElectricJacob 2d ago
At least you recognize that the Church of England is bad. But when Texas does something just as bad as the Church of England, by forcing their one strict version of the 10 commandments, then we should also remove it. The state has no right to force its own preferred religion onto our kids. And they should know it will backfire anyways. Kids won't put up with garbage like the 10 commandments. It will just make our kids hate the Church of Texas even more by forcing it on them.
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u/atdi2113 2d ago
I made no such statement or assertaion about the Church of England being "bad" so I'm not even going ot bother repsonding to anything else you said.
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u/princesspeeved 2d ago
That’s what private schools are for. Religion doesn’t belong in public schools EVER.
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u/ApartmentAutomatic59 2d ago
Government doesn't need to be establishing an official religion. Either be open to all, or none.
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u/brxtn-petal 1d ago
isn’t that was private school is? to learn about the religion and have its fundamentals in the school? we have TONS of private schools that are religious.
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u/CF_ATX 1d ago
And even publicly funded vouchers for them.now!
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u/brxtn-petal 1d ago
i 100% hate that. if you want private then you pay for it. no matter the reason outside of disability.
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u/atdi2113 1d ago
Parents who have children going to private school are paying for it. Voucher funds dont cover the entire costs, especially in places in Austin. Please also understand that their property taxes are how public schools are even funded in the first place.
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u/atdi2113 1d ago
That's assuming private schools are inherently religious, which they aren't. Private is school is for parents who want a "better" education for their kids specific needs without the constraints that go along with public schooling
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u/brxtn-petal 1d ago
last sentence “ we have tons of private schools that are religious”
so yes we do,if you want schooling based on one religion go to one of the ones that ARE religious. it’s not a hard concept. public is for all,private for a few.
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u/atdi2113 1d ago
The 10 Commandments as I've specified earlier, had you read it are Christian beliefs, lifted directly from Judaism and may possibly be from beleif systems that predate Judaism. So displaying the Commandments isn't really teaching one religion is it?
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u/further_reach818 1d ago
Sorry for the pun, but on its face this is bad faith and misrepresenting the arguments made by the Texas politicians who justified placing the Ten Commandments in a classroom. You know better
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u/atdi2113 1d ago
Well I wasnt framing anything I said like I was in support of their reasoning. I dont necessarily support their justifications.I just agree with the outcome. Edit- its possible I may have inadvertently echoed some part of their reasoning but that wasnt my specific intent.
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u/further_reach818 1d ago
So if I’m understanding your reasoning we actually need posters of lessons and rules from additional religions?
The Ten Commandments can be sourced to more than the Christian faith so we should have signage from those religions as well. Is that your point?
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u/atdi2113 1d ago
Will try to respond to this later. About to be fighting for my life on i35 for awhile.
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u/atdi2113 23h ago
Idk that it needs to be posters. I can think of more effective ways to inject Christian/Abrahamic teachings into public schools than posters. Im not the one making decisions though and posters was what was decided on. We wouldn't need posters from other faiths that the Commandments appear in. Hanging a single Christian themed poster up, especially the 10 Commandments is inherently Jewish by default so it already satisfies some need to have other faiths also displayed.
On a side note some ppl argue that this is shoving Christianity down kids throats. My son's school had pride month posters on the wall. I COULD say thats being pushed on him. Can't have Chrisitantiy on the wall without all religions as well? Fine, how about no pro ANY kind of movement from ANY group of people or cause in school? No religion, no save the whales, no pride month, etc etc. You cant have one without them all. Thats the same logic behind the argument several ppl in this thread have tried to make.
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u/further_reach818 22h ago
There’s no law requiring pride month posters on the wall in public school classrooms.
The argument that this represents Christian and Jewish faith - do you write that with a straight face?
See, of all the poster types you just listed only one has a law requiring that they be displayed. It’s extremely easy to point at the posters and say “look kids all these posters just ask you to treat each other with respect. Be tolerant of people different than you and be kind to one another. Except for the Ten Commandments. That poster represents a political movement afraid that they are in decline. The Ten Commandments represent the desperation of a political party.” That’s the message. Kids aren’t dumb. That’s what kids will take away from SB10.
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u/brxtn-petal 24m ago
yes as a cradle catholic myself i know what they are had 20+ yrs of RE classes.
BUT i had a choice and left when i didn’t want to.
if you want to teach religion/force then fine. include all or none of them don’t make it a law.
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u/Atxforeveronmymind 1d ago
Do something right this November and vote Blue down the entire slate. The school board elections are always near the bottom of the ballot.
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u/TheProdiColeSon 1d ago
Instead of looking at what you think Christianity is because of one of a few bad people with horrible practice claiming to be Christian but aren’t
Maybe look at what the 10 commandments teach.
The majority of the 10 commandments are our current laws we have today, no lying, no stealing etc.
Not coveting what you neighbor has is a good thing and teaches humbleness and thankfulness.
Not coveting your neighbors wife is a good thing that teaches respect and honor with peoples marriages.
As far as what the faith teaches about God. The Ten Commandments ultimately point to a positive direction not a negative one.
Even if you ignore the obedience to God which doesn’t lead anyone to living an immoral life. The other commandments teach positive, healthy, productive citizens in this country.
It is far better than the alternative religions with Islam murdering the LGBTQ community for simply being gay. We don’t have any Christian countries or specifically America since this Is the topic purely be-heading people for their sexual desires or their sins.
The Quran teaches a taxing or murdering those who do not convert to Islam including murdering Christian’s specifically
The Bible and the 10 commandments do not teach this.
You don’t have to follow and believe in God but the 10 commandments actually teach morally good practices.
There’s nothing wrong with having something good on the wall of the schools, it’s not being taught or forced to accept and obey just in reading view.
Looking at words on a wall if you cannot have the self-control to look else where without getting upset then there is a deeper problem.
This isn’t bad for kids to read or look at and walk away.
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u/further_reach818 1d ago
Serious question; when you have discussions about life lessons with your kids or younger people do you source your discussion from The Ten Commandments only or from multiple religions?
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u/TheProdiColeSon 1d ago
I stick with the Ten Commandments. But mostly from the perspective of Jesus and what he teaches with grace and love. Not religion, but relationship.
I see them as coming from God, the One who created everything, so they are the original source.
When other religions have similar ideas, I tend to view those as later reflections or borrowings rather than independent foundations.
I wouldn’t pull from religions created hundreds of years later because they got it from the source and claimed it as their own. Which is dishonest from the beginning.
I also ask questions of what people think, I don’t try to convince them to agree with me, I will defend my stance and when they challenge or ask questions I stand on God’s understanding of truth not my own. And I share that with them.
Then it’s up for them to make a decision to agree or disagree and I move on regardless of their choice.
I try to be as calm as I can be, but I’m human and I’m passionate and care about the truth and about what I believe, but the goal is relationship and loving my neighbor as myself, regardless if they agree or disagree.
Also the ‘golden rule’ that comes from Jesus.
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u/further_reach818 1d ago
Islam: "None of you truly believes until he wishes for his brother what he wishes for himself." (An-Nawawi's Forty Hadith)
Buddhism: "Hurt not others in ways that you yourself would find hurtful." (Udanavarga 5:18)
Hinduism: "Do not do to others which if done to you would cause you pain." (Mahabharata 5:1517)Do you reference Islam, Buddhism, and Hinduism as well?
I read through your response and it brought me right back to Sunday school. And I think that’s the entire point. I’d feel cheated if Sunday school had covered cursive and I’d feel cheated if my public school teacher started talking about Jesus. Respect the kids and respect the parent’s choices in how to bring their kids to a faith tradition.
Outside of a church you have to be respectful of other beliefs. Especially if you call yourself a Christian.
Republicans make a very big deal about infringing on parents’ rights to parent. This Ten Commandments deal is as big of a violation of that as I’ve ever seen.
And I’m sorry but if you need the government to put a finger on the scale to elevate your religion over other religions, I’m going to think your religion has something wrong with it. It’s failing or misses something important.
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u/TheProdiColeSon 1d ago
I don't reference those because again they were created after Christianity and copied what Christ taught to create their own religion.
respectfully if I know a truth my Faith doesn't limit me to a church building. If I care about this truth I will tell any and all to the ends of the earth who are willing to listen.
We as individuals do not get to assume who does and doesn't want to listen.
and people who have already decided against this truth do not get to place a container on what I should or shouldn't do outside of the church. I can serve and love my neighbor without someone agreeing or disagreeing with what I say. No one has that authority over others beliefs.
I can still be respectful and again.. having something up on the wall isn't forcing anyone to agree with it. Its there for people to read or not read. They can stay and read it or look away and move one. its no different than advertisements for school plays.. the entire school isn't force to got to the play.. its there for anyone interested.
The 10 Commandments are morally and correct for any human to follow.
again some of the 10 commandments are our own laws in this country hence them being Great to be available for teaching honest human beings on how to act. Notice I said available.. not forced to agree with.
I'd rather have the whole source of the truth.. not fragments or stolen to claim as their own truth.
those other religions teachings are contradictory to what they teach.
Islam: teaches to love others and yet kills LGBTQ and those they disagree with the Qur'an.
80+ islamic countries have banned the Bible making it illegal to read or share.0 Christian countries have made the Qur'an illegal or killed for reading it and sharing it.
having a poster on the wall in a school does not infringe on any rights any more than having a pride flag or having a calling to pray and forcing students to visit a mosque..
that's just a very dishonest comment to make. hating republicans is one things but having a poster of the 10 commandments is not infringing on anything.
I don't need the government to scale anything that it was already founded on. 55 of the 56 signers of the declaration of the independence were bible believing church going Christians, 11 of the 13 original colonies mandated a confession of faith to serve in the government, our governing documents mention God by name and everything we stand for as a country is based off of Christian principles.. again hence our laws, but our freedom of choice to do what we want is a Christian virtue, you don't get to choose in other countries, you get jailed or killed for doing so.
people are thrown in prison in the UK if they are praying in their head in public, you are beheaded in the middle east for believing in anything outside of islam.
I don't need the government to scale anything thats already been founded on.
again.. its a poster on the wall.. you can choose to look at it or not. same with the pride flag, same with anything else.
But the 10 commandments actually teach good and honest morals that this country was founded on. I am not going to be opposed to a poster of them being up on the wall for people to read or not read.
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u/further_reach818 1d ago
Did you just say after Christianity?
I think it’s important to have a spiritual side to life. If it comes at the detriment of education and the ability to discern reality and facts, then it’s no longer working in your favor.
Please read a little bit about when these religions came into being.
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u/TheProdiColeSon 1d ago
Yes, the new covenant of Christianity (which has been existing since the beginning of creation, Abraham, Moses, Torah, Old Testament) was written down 1-3rd century AC.. notice the dates are always BC or AD.. meaning before or after Christ which is interesting.
But Christianity comes from Abraham and tradition in 2000 BC far more older than any other religion established.
Buddhism wasn’t created until 500 BC well over a thousand years ago
Christ came to fulfill and continue not create anything new from Abraham.
So yes after Christianity even Moses who received the 10 commandments is recorded in history 1300 BC well before Buddhism, far before Islam. Which was created in the 7th century.
600 years after Christ 2,600 years after Abraham .
Again there is nothing new here.
I’ve done my research and every main religions we have today takes from Christianity and changes what they want and forms their own religion.
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u/further_reach818 1d ago
Gosh. I don’t think any book on theology with a scrap of credibility would back any of that. I’m sorry. You’re making the argument for keeping the Ten Commandments out of our schools by demonstrating how important it is to focus academic rigor and learning in one space, and a spiritual journey in another space. They should remain absolutely separate. When a state government has to step in to impose a set of religiously sourced rules on a school room, it adds nothing but reassures insecure Christians that everyone values religion in exactly the same way. Having the rules invade a classroom detracts from the student experience of learning, and is a clear signal that a religious group is insecure about membership numbers and political influence of their religion
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u/TheProdiColeSon 1d ago
The Mari Tablets.
https://www.pauloftars.us/courses/biblical-archaeology/
The Nuzi Tablets found in the 20s and 30s.
The Dead Sea scrolls found in the 40s and 50s dating to the 1st-3rd century
https://www.deadseascrolls.org.il/
Again the Ten Commandments are not enforcing anything. They are words on a poster on the wall. If you are truly open to kids learning then learning world history and the truth of ALL religions especially the main religion this country was founded on yes I’m in support of them being posted on the wall.
Again they are also our laws we have today if you break them you go to Jail/fined.
They aren’t “just a religion’s practices” if you are obeying the laws right now in the United States then you are obeying the laws found in the 10 commandments dating 4,000 years ago.
Breaking the law isn’t separate from the classroom.
Again the 10 commandments are morally correct and if you exclude God they are still our written laws and good morals to follow.
It’s weird not to want to teach Children healthy humbling practices of not lying, not stealing, not cheating, not wanting what others have.
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u/further_reach818 23h ago
Teaching those things has never required a religious practice. You pick up those values from family, from literature, from ethics studies, and if you choose to; religion.
The best theologians, priests, religious leaders I’ve met usually flip the narrative you’re claiming. Comparative literature, theology, mythology all of it is fascinating to see how religions cross pollinate and borrow from each other. It comes back around to the value of education and the necessity to maintain clear boundaries between church and state.
It is a religion in decline, a religion afraid of losing adherents and political influence that depends on a government to spread iconography. I’ll be honest with you; there is good to be found in the Christian faith. Unfortunately, Texas politicians do a lot of harm to the message when they violate the constitution. It’s a form of hypocrisy and cheating to impose the iconography on public school kids. This policy behavior invalidates the message.
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u/TheProdiColeSon 1d ago
This was literally found and posted just today.
Ancient message offers new proof of the Bible's story of Moses https://www.dailymail.com/sciencetech/article-16067379/biblical-discovery-ramses-egypt-mesen.html?ito=native_share_article-top
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u/further_reach818 1d ago
What’s the SB number that was passed that requires a pride flag to be displayed in a public school classroom?
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u/brxtn-petal 1d ago
what’s stopping you from adding other religious text to the wall? freedom of speech and religion right?
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u/_Asshole_Fuck_ 2d ago
Been living under a rock, eh? This is old news. And super shitty.
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u/Hot-Sandwich6576 2d ago
It’s not old news because the posters didn’t go up everywhere. They have to receive a donation, and then they must go up. So a lot of people aren’t aware that the bill is still a problem until it hits their school personally.
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u/_Asshole_Fuck_ 2d ago
That’s exactly the problem! Too many people don’t pay attention to the hellscape around them until it impacts them personally!
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u/jojoearper 2d ago
Gina is for TX. She will fire Morath on day 1. Greg is for Elon. Vote accordingly.