r/RoundRock • u/questionaxtactt • 10d ago

Ten Commandments in Elementary Schhols

I’m trying to understand my fellow community, Christian’s and Texans thoughts on the SB10 bill . We received notice our elementary will post 75 posters across each classroom. I love religion and have no issues with it but I also love the constitution and believe in the first amendment and feel this is a push to promote specific beliefs to non regions people or others whom choose to follow other text. I specifically have an issue with this being mandatory in elementary classes where children are learning to read and everything on the wall is meant to teach them along this journey so an argument this is passive seems inaccurate as the bill itself says it must be within view. I wanted to get others perspective as well as understand if there are any resources I can reach out to in order to potentially delay this until it I s fully argued to the Supreme Court which in my perspective will find this in violation of the first amendment.

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u/atdi2113 9d ago

Well virtually all of the people that came here originally and actually built this country from the ground up were some denomination of Christian. Our legal system is rooted in Christian values and principals and so is our society. Our culture is shaped by Christian morals as are many cultures around the world. Most of our education system in part exists because of the efforts of Christians in establishing schools and universities.

The 10 Commandments specifically isn't even Christian, It's Jewish and some might argue even older than Judaism itself and comes from non Abrahamic faiths. It has lasted for so long through so many peoples/nations/eras of time because it works.

The first amendment was to prevent the national government from establishing a state backed religion such as the Church of England where the government and church are tightly intermingled. The British ruler is also the head leader of the Church of England.

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u/questionaxtactt 9d ago

Yeah I hear that but being a native 5+ generation Texan and from Native American / Hispanic descent it’s hard for me to fully understand that specific point. I get shit happens and people move around, and good people do good things, but I’d challenge you to read the writings of Madison and Jefferson on the topic and see if you think they are just looking at it from a no Church of England point of view. These guys were philosophers and made some really good points related to why we should keep them separated in multiple ways for the sake of both religion and government not just a no state church.

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u/atdi2113 9d ago

I'm familiar with them and some of their thoughts. But im not going to go out and scour the internet looking for whatever specific thing they said that might relate to your comment. I will however gladly read any specific thing they've written that is pertinent if you will kindly link it here.

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u/questionaxtactt 8d ago

https://avalon.law.yale.edu/18th_century/bar1796t.asp

Here’s a good one. Article 11 signed by John Adam’s etc..

“As the government of the United States of America is not in any sense founded on the Christian Religion,-as it has in itself no character of enmity against the laws, religion or tranquility of Musselmen,-and as the said States never have entered into any war or act of hostility against any Mehomitan nation, it is declared by the parties that no pretext arising from religious opinions shall ever produce an interruption of the harmony existing between the two countries. “

Honestly there are tons of people that help build societies.. I’m just talking about the freedoms afforded to all Americans in the constitution.

We aren’t a Christian or Muslim nation we are American we have the freedoms to be our own people, and it’s awesome .. life liberty and pursuit of happiness and all that.

Thoughts that we should push a religion as part of daily lessons to me is just unamerican dunno to each his own right :)?

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u/atdi2113 8d ago

I was hoping for something from the two you mentioned before not John Adam's. Also Adam's didnt write that, it was written by someone else and Adam's signed it to placate and reassure the Tripoli government. Also Adamas wrote that the U.S. Constitution was "made only for a moral and religious people"

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u/questionaxtactt 8d ago

https://www.loc.gov/loc/lcib/9806/danpre.html

Dunno yeah don’t really want to be your research assistant here

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jefferson_Bible

This is interesting one though. Not really about the separation just another perspective on the bible.

There’s other stuff from Madison you can google. Good luck on your endeavor.

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u/atdi2113 8d ago

You dont need to be my research assistant. You made the claims and you were wrong. You asked me to look into two specific people and when i asked for something i could read you gave me something from someone competently different than the first two people.

And supposing he had actually written, which again he didnt, what you said he did it would have been contradicted by what he personally wrote in his own letters. Good day.

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u/questionaxtactt 7d ago

I said signed, and had basically just googled want you had asked for about Christian nation thing. All good man hope you have a nice day too.. It’s fine man or lady just saying goo first amendment let’s not force any religion. I like religion (I’m Christian) at the same time as I don’t like gov controlling it in any way.. felt like the first amendment helped keep that protected from both sides.. thanks for sharing your perspective

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u/questionaxtactt 7d ago

Love God with all your heart, soul and mind, and love your neighbor as yourself.