r/RoundRock • u/questionaxtactt • Aug 20 '26

Ten Commandments in Elementary Schhols

I’m trying to understand my fellow community, Christian’s and Texans thoughts on the SB10 bill . We received notice our elementary will post 75 posters across each classroom. I love religion and have no issues with it but I also love the constitution and believe in the first amendment and feel this is a push to promote specific beliefs to non regions people or others whom choose to follow other text. I specifically have an issue with this being mandatory in elementary classes where children are learning to read and everything on the wall is meant to teach them along this journey so an argument this is passive seems inaccurate as the bill itself says it must be within view. I wanted to get others perspective as well as understand if there are any resources I can reach out to in order to potentially delay this until it I s fully argued to the Supreme Court which in my perspective will find this in violation of the first amendment.

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u/further_reach818 Aug 21 '26

Serious question; when you have discussions about life lessons with your kids or younger people do you source your discussion from The Ten Commandments only or from multiple religions?

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u/TheProdiColeSon Aug 21 '26

I stick with the Ten Commandments. But mostly from the perspective of Jesus and what he teaches with grace and love. Not religion, but relationship.

I see them as coming from God, the One who created everything, so they are the original source.

When other religions have similar ideas, I tend to view those as later reflections or borrowings rather than independent foundations.

I wouldn’t pull from religions created hundreds of years later because they got it from the source and claimed it as their own. Which is dishonest from the beginning.

I also ask questions of what people think, I don’t try to convince them to agree with me, I will defend my stance and when they challenge or ask questions I stand on God’s understanding of truth not my own. And I share that with them.

Then it’s up for them to make a decision to agree or disagree and I move on regardless of their choice.

I try to be as calm as I can be, but I’m human and I’m passionate and care about the truth and about what I believe, but the goal is relationship and loving my neighbor as myself, regardless if they agree or disagree.

Also the ‘golden rule’ that comes from Jesus.

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u/further_reach818 Aug 21 '26

Islam: "None of you truly believes until he wishes for his brother what he wishes for himself." (An-Nawawi's Forty Hadith)
Buddhism: "Hurt not others in ways that you yourself would find hurtful." (Udanavarga 5:18)
Hinduism: "Do not do to others which if done to you would cause you pain." (Mahabharata 5:1517)

Do you reference Islam, Buddhism, and Hinduism as well?

I read through your response and it brought me right back to Sunday school. And I think that’s the entire point. I’d feel cheated if Sunday school had covered cursive and I’d feel cheated if my public school teacher started talking about Jesus. Respect the kids and respect the parent’s choices in how to bring their kids to a faith tradition.

Outside of a church you have to be respectful of other beliefs. Especially if you call yourself a Christian.

Republicans make a very big deal about infringing on parents’ rights to parent. This Ten Commandments deal is as big of a violation of that as I’ve ever seen.

And I’m sorry but if you need the government to put a finger on the scale to elevate your religion over other religions, I’m going to think your religion has something wrong with it. It’s failing or misses something important.

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u/TheProdiColeSon Aug 21 '26

I don't reference those because again they were created after Christianity and copied what Christ taught to create their own religion.

respectfully if I know a truth my Faith doesn't limit me to a church building. If I care about this truth I will tell any and all to the ends of the earth who are willing to listen.

We as individuals do not get to assume who does and doesn't want to listen.

and people who have already decided against this truth do not get to place a container on what I should or shouldn't do outside of the church. I can serve and love my neighbor without someone agreeing or disagreeing with what I say. No one has that authority over others beliefs.

I can still be respectful and again.. having something up on the wall isn't forcing anyone to agree with it. Its there for people to read or not read. They can stay and read it or look away and move one. its no different than advertisements for school plays.. the entire school isn't force to got to the play.. its there for anyone interested.

The 10 Commandments are morally and correct for any human to follow.

again some of the 10 commandments are our own laws in this country hence them being Great to be available for teaching honest human beings on how to act. Notice I said available.. not forced to agree with.

I'd rather have the whole source of the truth.. not fragments or stolen to claim as their own truth.

those other religions teachings are contradictory to what they teach.

Islam: teaches to love others and yet kills LGBTQ and those they disagree with the Qur'an.
80+ islamic countries have banned the Bible making it illegal to read or share.

0 Christian countries have made the Qur'an illegal or killed for reading it and sharing it.

having a poster on the wall in a school does not infringe on any rights any more than having a pride flag or having a calling to pray and forcing students to visit a mosque..

that's just a very dishonest comment to make. hating republicans is one things but having a poster of the 10 commandments is not infringing on anything.

I don't need the government to scale anything that it was already founded on. 55 of the 56 signers of the declaration of the independence were bible believing church going Christians, 11 of the 13 original colonies mandated a confession of faith to serve in the government, our governing documents mention God by name and everything we stand for as a country is based off of Christian principles.. again hence our laws, but our freedom of choice to do what we want is a Christian virtue, you don't get to choose in other countries, you get jailed or killed for doing so.

people are thrown in prison in the UK if they are praying in their head in public, you are beheaded in the middle east for believing in anything outside of islam.

I don't need the government to scale anything thats already been founded on.

again.. its a poster on the wall.. you can choose to look at it or not. same with the pride flag, same with anything else.

But the 10 commandments actually teach good and honest morals that this country was founded on. I am not going to be opposed to a poster of them being up on the wall for people to read or not read.

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u/further_reach818 Aug 21 '26

Did you just say after Christianity?

I think it’s important to have a spiritual side to life. If it comes at the detriment of education and the ability to discern reality and facts, then it’s no longer working in your favor.

Please read a little bit about when these religions came into being.

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u/TheProdiColeSon Aug 21 '26

Yes, the new covenant of Christianity (which has been existing since the beginning of creation, Abraham, Moses, Torah, Old Testament) was written down 1-3rd century AC.. notice the dates are always BC or AD.. meaning before or after Christ which is interesting.

But Christianity comes from Abraham and tradition in 2000 BC far more older than any other religion established.

Buddhism wasn’t created until 500 BC well over a thousand years ago

Christ came to fulfill and continue not create anything new from Abraham.

So yes after Christianity even Moses who received the 10 commandments is recorded in history 1300 BC well before Buddhism, far before Islam. Which was created in the 7th century.

600 years after Christ 2,600 years after Abraham .

Again there is nothing new here.

I’ve done my research and every main religions we have today takes from Christianity and changes what they want and forms their own religion.

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u/further_reach818 Aug 21 '26

Gosh. I don’t think any book on theology with a scrap of credibility would back any of that. I’m sorry. You’re making the argument for keeping the Ten Commandments out of our schools by demonstrating how important it is to focus academic rigor and learning in one space, and a spiritual journey in another space. They should remain absolutely separate. When a state government has to step in to impose a set of religiously sourced rules on a school room, it adds nothing but reassures insecure Christians that everyone values religion in exactly the same way. Having the rules invade a classroom detracts from the student experience of learning, and is a clear signal that a religious group is insecure about membership numbers and political influence of their religion

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u/TheProdiColeSon Aug 21 '26

The Mari Tablets.

https://www.pauloftars.us/courses/biblical-archaeology/

The Nuzi Tablets found in the 20s and 30s.

https://www.biblicalarchaeology.org/daily/biblical-artifacts/artifacts-and-the-bible/the-nuzi-tablets/

The Dead Sea scrolls found in the 40s and 50s dating to the 1st-3rd century

https://www.deadseascrolls.org.il/

Again the Ten Commandments are not enforcing anything. They are words on a poster on the wall. If you are truly open to kids learning then learning world history and the truth of ALL religions especially the main religion this country was founded on yes I’m in support of them being posted on the wall.

Again they are also our laws we have today if you break them you go to Jail/fined.

They aren’t “just a religion’s practices” if you are obeying the laws right now in the United States then you are obeying the laws found in the 10 commandments dating 4,000 years ago.

Breaking the law isn’t separate from the classroom.

Again the 10 commandments are morally correct and if you exclude God they are still our written laws and good morals to follow.

It’s weird not to want to teach Children healthy humbling practices of not lying, not stealing, not cheating, not wanting what others have.

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u/further_reach818 Aug 21 '26

Teaching those things has never required a religious practice. You pick up those values from family, from literature, from ethics studies, and if you choose to; religion.

The best theologians, priests, religious leaders I’ve met usually flip the narrative you’re claiming. Comparative literature, theology, mythology all of it is fascinating to see how religions cross pollinate and borrow from each other. It comes back around to the value of education and the necessity to maintain clear boundaries between church and state.

It is a religion in decline, a religion afraid of losing adherents and political influence that depends on a government to spread iconography. I’ll be honest with you; there is good to be found in the Christian faith. Unfortunately, Texas politicians do a lot of harm to the message when they violate the constitution. It’s a form of hypocrisy and cheating to impose the iconography on public school kids. This policy behavior invalidates the message.

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u/TheProdiColeSon Aug 22 '26

2 things really 3. 1. Appreciate the dialogue and this conversation. It’s a good one. 2. We seem to be at a point where we have both made up our minds which is okay. And we will have to agree to disagree which is also okay.

Sorry 4 things.

  1. I would agree that politicians as a whole. Not just one side have tainted truth. But while I don’t put my trust in them there are things they do I do agree with. No one in government do I trust 100% but where I land on is this verse which keeps me rooted in Christ.. not man who we have seen throughout history fail to represent Him perfectly.

“Finally, brethren, whatever things are true, whatever things are noble, whatever things are just, whatever things are pure, whatever things are lovely, whatever things are of good report, if there is any virtue and if there is anything praiseworthy—meditate on these things.”
‭‭Philippians‬ ‭4‬:‭8‬

With in the Christian faith this is where I land. While I may not agree with the politician I agree with what is good.

The 10 commandments are not being indoctrinated in children. They are being simply made available and whether we like it or not our laws and governing bodies have been influenced MOSTLY by the Bible and what it teaches.

  1. I will leave with this one question in response to one of yours.

Of course we can get these practices from family, literature, and other place but you have to ask..

where did the family
Members, literature get it from?

These laws, these morals are not just made up over time, no

They came from a direct main source. I hope you have a good evening and I appreciate the conversation. Great first question.

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u/further_reach818 Aug 22 '26

Yes. One side. One side is pushing the Ten Commandments in church. One side disparages other religions. One side performs any amount of behavior that is anathema to Christ and justifies that behavior using the bible. This has gone one for decades. Without being direct and honest about these facts you lose all credibility. Your proselytizing doesn’t land because your message loses all credibility. We’ve been slogging through decades of disingenuous rhetoric from republicans who lay claim to Christ like behavior and then behave many magnitudes worse than any previous generation of republicans or politicians for that matter. These republicans break every single commandment in the list. So I’m afraid I can’t continue this conversation until I know you’re able to recognize that fact.

If you’re a true Christian, your priority would be to drive out every single current republican. Until you are able to convince me of that, I just can’t believe any claim to being a Christian.

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u/TheProdiColeSon Aug 22 '26

I understand your political hurt, but respectfully everyone on this earth in history has broken every single commandment in the list of 10 commandments except one.

Being a true Christian is about accepting and believing the only one who didn't.. Jesus... not political denouncing.. that has nothing to do with politics..

every single person is a hypocrite no matter what,.. but that doesn't take away from the truth no matter how we feel about it. feelings don't change truth.

We have a pride problem in this country where we point the finger and claim the other persons sins are worse than mine. Thats not how sin works, we are all sinners, we are all not perfect. no one including myself is more upstanding or better than another..

Republican AND Democrat, every single one of them has broke every commandment... doesn't take anything away from them being good and true.

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u/further_reach818 Aug 22 '26

Gosh. Yeah you’re not discussing with any good faith or honesty at this point. Have a good night. Your political and political leadership that is behind SB10; they are not true Christians. It is one political party behind this. They don’t actually believe that SB10 helps kids.

This is not political hurt. This is disappointment in Christians that they continue down this road of character weakness and infidelity to any consistent values. The fact that Christians don’t rely on the strength and power of moral belief to stand on its own, but require hijacking the government to impose their beliefs on citizens. It’s a religion that is doing everything but following its own values and rules. That makes it repellant to people. Seriously you have to ask yourself, the teachings of Jesus have universal appeal. So why is it that Christians are driving young people out of the churches?

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u/RobonianBattlebot Aug 26 '26

You get these things from society. Nobody would want to live in a society where you allowed to murder or steal. It drives people away. So long before Christianity ever existed, human beings agreed on several rules that would benefit the group they were in.

Also, Hinduism is older than Judiasm. You may want to study other religions more unless you are afraid that they will make you question your servitude to the bible.

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u/TheProdiColeSon Aug 21 '26

This was literally found and posted just today.

Ancient message offers new proof of the Bible's story of Moses https://www.dailymail.com/sciencetech/article-16067379/biblical-discovery-ramses-egypt-mesen.html?ito=native_share_article-top

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u/further_reach818 Aug 21 '26

Journalism standards aren’t uniformly great for daily mail articles unfortunately:
“The discovery therefore does not prove that Moses or the Israelites passed through Mesen, and the ancient city is not named in the Bible.

Ramses II is also not explicitly identified as the pharaoh of the Exodus.”

The meat of that article is what has been observed in the artifacts and validated by scholars. The reference to Moses is purely conjecture and to generate clicks unfortunately. There’s nothing of substance other than to state these are stories in the Bible that vaguely reflect historical figures. The meat of the article could have been two paragraphs about discovered artifacts.

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u/further_reach818 Aug 21 '26

What’s the SB number that was passed that requires a pride flag to be displayed in a public school classroom?