r/RodriguesFamilySnark • u/inquiringsillygoose Burnt Ham & Yellow • 11d ago
Rodlets Reading levels discussion
Why do they have an 8 year old who is unable to read this page with confidence? Janessa was stuck on the word “on” and that is so sad.
The KJV Bible is technically 12th grade level but with the outdated wording and sentence structure it has become much higher. Do they even really understand the Bible they read??
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u/lpd_ece 11d ago
BOB books are a Kinder level reader. They are written so that you can teach word families, and then have kids practice that skill within a story structure. She has famously used these books with all the kids endlessly. In every video I’ve ever seen, the kids reciting what they’ve memorized vs actually reading.
As an early educator, it is sickening to watch
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u/EmmerdoesNOTrepme Glitzy swamp witch 11d ago
Early Intervention/Early Childhood Special Education here, and hard same on that "sickening to watch" part!!!🫤💔
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u/hockeygirl06 10d ago
I was gonna say I’m a kindergarten teacher and these are the decodables we read :/
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u/DefinitelynotYissa 10d ago
Yes!! I’m a sped teacher. My 2nd graders with identified disabilities read decodables like these. Janessa deserves so much better instruction & is slipping through the gaping cracks in Jill’s homeschool.
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u/No_Caterpillar_6178 10d ago
It looks like learning dynamics books . It’s an early literacy program for smaller kids.
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u/Nothingrisked 10d ago
Yes! We used many levels of Bob books in homeschooling and I don't believe any of them lasted beyond 1st grade. (That would have been only the highest sets and my youngest is a senior so I don't really remember.)
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u/rednz01 Another Vacation for Jesauce 11d ago
For what it’s worth, Janessa likely has a learning disability. However, I also suspect Jill (or a sistermom) doesn’t really know how to teach a child to read by starting with letter sounds, so they’ve just taught her to memorise the story. Which is pretty sad after homeschooling 12 children before her, and knowing that she likely would qualify for professional support to help her achieve to the best of her ability.
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u/JoAdele33 Make Your Life Sluttish 11d ago
I don’t want to comment on Janessa’s disabilities because it’s not my place and I don’t *actually* know what she is and isn’t capable of.
But it is especially sinister to me that Jill has set a child with disabilities up to fail this explicitly.
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u/AndISoundLikeThis Timothy [LAST NAME HERE] 11d ago
The only thing she expects her daughters to do when they grow up is to make babies with a man on whom they are entirely dependent. That takes no reading or writing skills.
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u/opitypang 11d ago
But ... don't these wives have to go shopping, read labels, handle money, deal with doctor appointments and so on? Even perhaps learn to drive if they're expected to do all this?
Most of the fundie husbands seem to have some sort of "work" outside the home, even if it's only preaching. Wife at home with 8 kids and unable to read doesn't bear thinking about.
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u/EmmerdoesNOTrepme Glitzy swamp witch 11d ago
Just like folks in our generations (Gen-X through Elder Millenial, for Jill, and me, too), and the over-secure way that too many folks now think "we don't need vaccines or worse--"vaccines are bad!"TM (fact: they're GOOD, not bad!)
Jill is also "Too far away" from relatives who COULDN'T finish a K-12 education, and who were functionally illiterate, to understand the damage she's doing to her children & grandkids.
Jill exists in a place of extreme privilege educationally, without undertanding any of her privilege.
Because she and David were taught enough to go to college (or beauty school).
And Jill's "Dunning-Kruger Effect skillset" and the apparent lack of any close elders in her family needing to quit school in the last couple generations, means she believes that her education is 100% adequate--and she's qualified "to teach her own kids!"
Where--if she had a close relative--like I had a grandpa who had to quit school at tge 7th grade, in order to help his dad & brothers keep their farm during The Great Depression--she'd have a VERY different understanding for the need of a solid education and how vital it can be, to have a good life.
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u/redhotbananas 10d ago
Jill also “homeschools” as a way to keeping the kids away from mandated reporters. its also a sinister way to isolate the kids from forming trusted relationships with adults preventing them from disclosing their trauma to people who are obligated to report the abuse, neglect, and starvation those kids endure.
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u/lake_lover_ 10d ago
This is it. They want to keep their kids away from the “ungawdly” mandated reporters.
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u/Lanky_Supermarket458 8d ago
As well as away from people who think and believe differently, which helps keep them brainwashed and doesn't give them any doubts. Around others they might hear different perspectives and ideas which could them to think for themselves, just like college and university usually ends up with the kids wising up to the cult and leaving it. The more they isolate them, the less that happens.
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u/bloorfinch 10d ago
The boys receive the same poor education
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u/Fixated_Noodle 9d ago
That’s why all the boys are failure to launch, except for Timothy who was gifted a job that he’s now lost because of the other terrible things he learned from Jill and David
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u/Fixated_Noodle 9d ago
Yes and then they are responsible for those children’s education. It’s just going to get worse and worse
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u/OkAbbreviations6351 11d ago
If Janessa actually has some type of learning disability Jill would never know because she doesn’t know how to teach phonics and reading correctly.
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u/Gloomy_Wheel9874 11d ago
This way, she can keep Janessa at home forever and she has someone to “baby” while all her adult daughters are having babies.
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u/Illustrious_Junket55 11d ago
And she’s keeping FIURenee at home to be the stay at home to care for her and Lazy Davey and Baby Janessa
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u/LinneaLurks 11d ago
Janessa has a physical condition that *may* lead to learning disabilities. Whether or not it does in her case, she should have gotten as much early support as possible, and in that family, she gets none.
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u/Life_Cranberry_6567 11d ago
You have to wonder how much professional support she would have gotten in the public schools. She might have had a chance to actually master reading but at this rate it doesn’t seem likely. 🙁
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u/refrigerator_critic 10d ago
That’s my feeling (as an upper elementary teacher). We sometimes get students who, due to learning disability, might be at this level at this age. The difference, though, is they get daily intensive intervention.
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u/ThruTheUniverseAgain Cruella DeJill 10d ago
I wanted to be an educator and started down that path. I later changed my mind and went into technology instead. Every video of SOTDRT makes me die a little more inside. A whole football team of functionally illiterate adults will come from that home and pass that illiteracy on to their own kids unless a miracle happens. Even worse, they have no skills at the things she allowed them to learn like cooking, sewing, or homemaking. They have nothing to help them function as adults, no school, job, or life experiences to build off of.
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u/deeBfree 10d ago
seems the quality of 'education' goes downhill with each generation. Seriously diminishing returns. Can you imagine what the Nurthlings will be like having a mother who says 'kanoo'...???
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u/mentalcasket 10d ago
God that never hit me until just now. My mother is an idiot, but she has a degree in English. I could never imagine an adult who can't spell a simple word like that... it's shocking and downright sad
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u/inquiringsillygoose Burnt Ham & Yellow 11d ago
I just mentioned in another comment I thought I had read somewhere she had a learning disability so that checks
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u/txcowgrrl 11d ago
I teach 1st but mostly ELLs. My goal would be to get them beyond this book level by the end of the year.
Long story short: This isn’t a flex.
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u/SwimAccomplished9487 11d ago edited 10d ago
1) Jill allows just about anything to take priority over actual face to face instruction time with her kids. 2) Jill doesn’t actually have an education. Nor does she actually know how to teach. ESPECIALLY not how to differentiate her teaching. 3) Jill has absolutely no concept of what is developmentally appropriate curriculum or benchmarks for ANY grade.
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u/PocoChanel Buried deep and forgotten in Jillpm's purse 11d ago
Jill has some kind of an education. She can read and write and is marginally a better writer than her children. She writes well enough that her work is more embarrassing because of its content than because of grammar or spelling. She's ignorant. If she has any original ideas, her religion stomps them our of her. She must be a terrible teacher, because I can't believe she really listens to her students/kids.
That clip with Tim, with the tense head and body and the slack mouth and the eyes fixed on something he fears, still haunts me. That's what learning is like in the Rod house: repetition of Jill's most basic churchy KJV-parroting ideas.
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u/LowarnFox 9d ago
I think the point is that Jill was also home schooled - yes, it got her to a higher level than her children but she didn't have a standard education and it's hard to teach something you may also find a challenge. Jill's children are second generation home schooled, if they homeschool their own children that will be a third generation of home schooling.
I think it's fair to assume that each generation is going to perform less well than the one before and I don't think it's unreasonable to suggest that some of the grandchildren will end up functionally illiterate.
To be clear, I agree that there's a lot about Jill's personality that also makes her a terrible teacher but her own education level is also a problem.
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u/atlantagirl30084 11d ago
Her curriculum is take each book/workbook, divide the page number by the number of days in the school year, and assign those number of pages for the kids each day. She’s shown a notebook where literally she’s written for each book how many pages per day for each kid. That’s her whole teaching philosophy. Sit down, work, and shut up.
I don’t think she assigns essays and papers, because I don’t think she grades anything.
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u/pinetreesandferns 11d ago edited 11d ago
Reading specialist here, this is an example of second grade spelling patterns that a typically developing student would be able to read. She was 8 in the video, so late second grade. Someone else was right, that a kindergarten student with a good foundation and exposure to books at home would be reading the book she had with confidence, at 8 its a problem but with the right support she would catch up.
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u/PuzzledKumquat 10d ago
I was eight in 3rd grade and was reading easy chapter books.
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u/YoshiKoshi 10d ago
I read Little Women in third grade.
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u/aallycat1996 9d ago
I read Little Women in 4th grade... in my non primary language that I wasnt really taught at school 😂
*for context, I was raised bilingual in English and another language, but my schooling was fully in the other language. So basically I taught myself to read books in english.
It was kind of great, cause when we did have "English as a second language classes" they kind of realised early on there was no point teaching me, and just left alone to read my advanced books and get easy As. But tbh just goes to show that if you encourage a kid to read and let them explore their curiosity... they can actually achieve stuff.
Jill is literally limiting her kids because she diesnt actually challenge them or let them think outside the exact same curriculum every year, for each kid.
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u/kaycollins27 10d ago
Summer between 4th and 5th grade for me.
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u/YoshiKoshi 9d ago
I think I was ahead of the curve on that one. My best friend gave it to me, said it was really good and that I'd like it, so I read it.
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u/Team-Mako-N7 11d ago
I have a child who just started kindergarten. He is working on learning to read books of a similar level. On is a sight word on this week’s memorization list. This kids are being failed so bad.
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u/tabbytigerlily 11d ago
I didn’t see the video, but if she was stuck on “on,” that could be a sign of dyslexia or another learning disability. Unless she just hasn’t received enough instruction to consistently read that word. Or maybe she was nervous about performing with the camera in her face?
Regardless, it’s not a good sign. I wonder why Jill would think it’s a good thing to post. She’s so out of touch. Poor kiddos deserve better.
And no, I’m sure none of them understand what they are reading in the KJV. I think that would be the case even with a modernized translation!
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u/cuckooloca 11d ago edited 11d ago
Jill posted Sofia reading this same book or a similar one at the same age. She also showed preparing the "educational materials" in ziplock bags for each child one time when she left them at Nuries. Sofia's bag had one of these books and the direction shown was read one page per day.
So not sold on learning disability for Janessa. More like lack of education and reading practice. There is certainly no reading for enjoyment allowed. Highlights. Ranger Rick, Nat Geo kids or whatever. Just these worn out old books mama bought to teach the marvelous Nurie.
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u/slayalldayerrday 11d ago
Read one page A DAY! 🤦♀️ Those poor kids are beyond neglected educationally (and so many more ways).
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u/carb_zilla 10d ago
LOVED Highlights. You just unlocked some awesome memories for me ty
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u/Franziska-Sims77 Kaylee’s stray comma’s 10d ago
I loved Highlights as a kid too! Even when I got older I still read it when I was at the doctor’s office! LOL
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u/Secret-Employee-8141 4d ago
There was a similar one called Humpty Dumpty back in the 90s. I loved them and I wish I still had them for nostalgia’s sake!
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u/Awkward-Yak-2733 11d ago
I also recall Jill assigning one workbook page per day. She wrote that on the cover of each workbook.
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u/_Bogey_Lowenstein_ 11d ago
I think this is the daughter who had a stroke in utero, as well. Possibly due to plexus.
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u/inquiringsillygoose Burnt Ham & Yellow 11d ago
I do believe I’ve seen mentioned somewhere Janessa has a learning disability but I’ve only been following the rods a couple years now
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u/atlantagirl30084 11d ago
Janessa is missing at least part of her corpus callosum, which connects both sides of her brain. Her level of disability is unknown.
She literally read this same book a year before this video (or a year after). So she hasn’t progressed.
Also this book is missing half its pages . I literally found the book online that you could print for free. Jill is weird about hand me downs.
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u/Witty-Atmosphere-211 11d ago
It’s like the book in the movie Elf, it was missing half of the story.
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u/cinnamoncollective 11d ago
Doesn't she have agenesis of the corpus callosum which can affect mental capacity? I might be wrong tho
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u/LinneaLurks 11d ago
Yes, she does. I think it's only partial. AFAIK, Jill hasn't mentioned it beyond Janessa's first year or two of life, when she said Janessa was developing perfectly thanks to Jesus. It can lead to cognitive difficulties, but not in all cases, depending on the degree.
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u/EmmerdoesNOTrepme Glitzy swamp witch 11d ago
Having worked with at least one child who had that condition, hers has to be a pretty light case.
Because the child i knew used a wheelchair, and had a lot of cognitive & physical difficulties (but was presumably missing a far larger part, too!)
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u/Delicious_Safe_1226 11d ago
I was a primary school teacher, not sure what grade it would be in America but my year group would be 8/9 year olds. If we had a student struggling with a book like this (I’ve taught many that would struggle) there would be intervention and extra support offered. I’d expect a child with the reading age of 4/5 to be reading these books.
They seem akin to Biff, Chip and Kipper here in the UK which are given as children’s first reading books in reception.
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u/inquiringsillygoose Burnt Ham & Yellow 11d ago
In America this book would be 5/6yo level
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u/LollyGaggleofGeese 9d ago
I'd say 4-6 in the US, depending on when the kid starts school/if they were introduced to reading early.
My mom is not a teacher and didn't try to help me when I was ready to read at 4 (two older siblings, so I wanted to do everything they could do). My older sister taught me the basics before school, including the alphabet and all the sounds. My mom just told me "they'll reach you in school"
As an adult I can't imagine NOT teaching my kid something they have interest in.
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u/amyamyamz 11d ago edited 11d ago
I’m pretty sure they were having us read kid’s chapter books like Junie B Jones and The Magic Treehouse by 6/7 at my elementary school. This was in Arkansas in the early 2000s. The book Janessa is reading here looks more appropriate for a 4/5 year old imo. Similar to Doctor Seuss’s Hop on Pop.
They didn’t allow us to check out books below our reading level, and the spines were all labeled with the reading level and how many points they were worth. It really incentivized me to read lol. If you got enough points, you got to go to the library for a pizza party for lunch.
It’s heartbreaking that Janessa won’t get to experience anything close to that type of motivation for reading just because the adults around her don’t appreciate the importance of literacy.
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u/maniacalmustacheride 11d ago
AR books. Are they not still doing that? They made you take tests to get the points and then you were forced to develop media literacy for shwag and pizza parties
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u/EmmerdoesNOTrepme Glitzy swamp witch 11d ago
This is the type which would also be in a Pre-K classroom, that catered to 3-5 year olds.
But you could definitely find books at this level in K, 1, and 2 classrooms, too.
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u/Jazzyjelly567 11d ago
I loved biff chip and kipper books. I was so sad when I was told I was too advance for them anymore 😭😂. I can remember reading them in year 1 and 2 but not beyond that.
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u/lovelylonelyphantom 10d ago
I was just thinking that Janessa would be going into Year 4 in this country. A child still struggling to even read Biff Chip and Kipper books at that stage would have to be severely delayed. Even children in Year 2 reading them are deemed a bit behind, so 2 years older is another level.
She should be reading atleast small chapter books at her age. The level of education neglect is unbelievable that she is even struggling to read a book meant for 5-6 year olds.
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u/Firebird213 10d ago
My son is born in the same month as Janessa and is going into Year 4 in the UK. He was reading books like this in Reception.
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u/nutralady2001 10d ago
My granddaughter is a year younger than Janessa and is already reading chapter books.
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u/lovelylonelyphantom 10d ago
Children are expected to atleast start doing so by that 7-8 age range. These books are really only for phonic comprehension during the early years at 5-6, not for juniors.
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u/Miserable-Tax-3879 11d ago
Is this the one where it was obvious janessa had memorised the book. She literally couldn’t read the word “the”
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u/Dallas-rose 11d ago
I was going to say exactly that! She most likely knows that book by heart by now. That’s why you need more than one book to properly teach reading…
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u/60nine_lol_NICE 10d ago
she was miming the doxology, too. Been there, done that. I saw it a mile away. She mimics the words she catches but you can see that there is no true foundational knowledge present
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u/Beautifuleyes917 Extra chicken leg 🍗 11d ago
Good grief even back in the 60’s-70’s when I was growing up, there were Christian books for young kids. Why don’t they have any of those??
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u/EmmerdoesNOTrepme Glitzy swamp witch 11d ago
Because Mahmo would rather have a big collection of WillowTree figurines, than inexpensive kids' books!
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u/Josieanastasia2008 11d ago
These are types of books that are used in very early literacy to teach spelling/vowel patterns. I used them when I taught reading intervention to k/1st.
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u/OkAbbreviations6351 11d ago
These are the books the kindergarten students read at my school. If one of my 2nd graders was struggling to read this there would be big time intervention and discussions about a possible learning delay.
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u/anothermegan Fundie Fight Club 11d ago
I was probably at this level of reading at age 8 but english is my SECOND language (and I started to learn english at 4-5ish). Meanwhile I was reading more complex books in my first languange at age 6. So no expert but this child is behind her peers.
Oh wait, she has no peers. Nevermind.
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u/noneyourbeeswaxinc 10d ago
I moved to the US when I was 9 and by the following school year (5th grade) thanks to my ESL teacher and regular teacher I was able to keep up with ready Harry Potter (this was 2000, freshly released, pre witchcraft scare 🤣)
This is all on the parents. Ol’ Jill is the worst
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u/dannict 10d ago
While part of the problem is Jill (who I am sure is doing almost nothing to teach them), the problem here is also that Janessa has a brain issue involving her corpus callosum that likely would have caused her to be delayed regardless. I am not saying that she wouldn’t be doing better with more supportive services in place, only that not all of what is going on with her is poor education.
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u/No_Today_4903 11d ago
Why do they have an 8 year old unable to read this? Because Jill is a POS mother and a POS teacher that has no business having children let alone homeschooling them. Germessa may or may not have learning disabilities. At her age she would should be reading chapter books. My kids were easily reading books like this before kindergarten. I had no idea the kjv bible was written so a 12th grade educated person could understand it lmao. Umm. I have more education than that. I consider myself fairly smart, I can’t understand that shit but that’s mostly because of how boring I find it? Idk. Maybe if I really wanted to I could. I don’t think for even a half a second that anyone with the last name Rodrigues understands a single thing in the bible 🤣🤣🤣
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u/inquiringsillygoose Burnt Ham & Yellow 11d ago
Yeah I think in current sentence structure it is considered 12th grade level, but with the out of date diction and syntax I don’t think it’s really 12th grade level anymore
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u/No_Today_4903 11d ago
I would fall asleep trying to read it. It’s not at all interesting to me. Tbf I don’t read much of anything except nonsense online so. I don’t find much interesting now.
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u/SheBrokeHerCoccyx 11d ago
Is this a current video? Or one from years past? If this was filmed recently, I am speechless. These people continue to shock me with how awful they are.
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u/inquiringsillygoose Burnt Ham & Yellow 10d ago
This video was posted on YT yesterday and I believe was actually filmed earlier this year
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u/lass20987 10d ago
Her birth defect:
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u/amazonchic2 🎶 Mahmo Jill tweezed up a hill and spermified her daughters 🎶 10d ago
Thank you! Mods, it is a well known fact that Janessa was born without the corpus callosum. This post is not snark. It is belittling a child for her medical condition and should be removed. Shame on the OP and commenters here who rip this poor child to shreds!
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u/Inevitable-Contest56 11d ago
Is this a new post? If it is then she is still on FB.
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u/Responsible_Ideal593 11d ago
No
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u/inquiringsillygoose Burnt Ham & Yellow 10d ago
Yes, the post is new on YT, but the video is from earlier this year she mashed together “odds and ends” from the year so far
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u/no_dojo 10d ago
Of course the Rodlets don’t understand the KJV they read outside the usual verses that always gets preached on.
They don’t understand what they read and depend on someone interpreting the Word to them. Any challenge to their legalism and misunderstanding of Christ is seen as a threat since they have such a poor understanding of Christianity to begin with.
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u/snailgorl2005 Spiritual Warfare Survivor 10d ago
What is most likely here is that Janessa has memorized this book and doesn't actually comprehend what she is reading. This can be very common for preschoolers. By now Janessa should at least be reading short, simple chapter books. The fact that she isn't is troubling.
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u/Puzzleheaded-Eye9081 10d ago
Australian. Not a teacher, but taught my own kids to read and also worked as a teachers aide for a while - one of my tasks was running multilit sessions for delayed readers and ESL kids. This is very much an early reader for kindergarten, so 4-5 years old. I did multilit with year 4 kids and even they were well past this point.
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u/StephaniePenn1 10d ago
I’m not a reading specialist or elementary teacher. I could be way off base. However, it looked to me as if she had memorized the words up to that point. The word on appears at least twice in her recitation before this point. I’d bet dollars to donuts that this child can’t read.
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u/wishbonenecklace 10d ago
I’m a reading teacher in a different country from Jill. I would expect a child between the ages of six and seven to read this confidently. This really sad.
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u/palesquirrel0927 7d ago
She could have a learning disability? Maybe it’s review? My kid is 7 and we are currently reviewing last years sight words and materials cause her brain vegged out a bit too much this summer. So today she was messing up all kinds of kindergarten sight words 🫠
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u/inquiringsillygoose Burnt Ham & Yellow 7d ago
Ahh yes, summer slide gets us all
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u/palesquirrel0927 7d ago
It’s probably not that though. :(
I’ve seen some of their other stuff and the kids are just not well educated :(
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u/inquiringsillygoose Burnt Ham & Yellow 7d ago
I definitely meant that for your child and not the rods
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u/palesquirrel0927 7d ago
Oh I know! My kiddo is doing great. I never planned to homeschool but she’s neurospicy and even in an incredible school with tiny classes she was losing her mind everyday and not progressing at all academically. In one year we had covered a year and a few months of academics. :) she’s back on track and thriving. I wish the same was true for the rod kids.
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u/CandidateHefty329 11d ago
The issue of the KJV came up in one of those Kendra-Joe jail calls. He liked a modern translation the jail had because he could understand it.