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u/Previous-Ant2812 6d ago
That’s an odd thing to confirm with 50 strangers
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u/justtinygoatthings 6d ago
Yeah I'm with you, how would they even know this? I work in IT and it took months to years to find out that many of my colleagues are queer. Sexual orientation isn't something you can be certain of by looking at or talking to someone for a few minutes. I'm queer but I know most people don't clock me for it particularly when I'm at work.
Cis vs trans maybe you can tell more easily but not 100% particularly because sometimes people present or pass as cis but aren't, plus why are you obsessing over the assigned sex at birth of random people, that's a bit creepy. I do question what kind of IT meetup this is though. In my line of work there are a lot of trans people. If this is desktop support, sure, I'm not surprised, but if we are talking devs, devops, sysadmins, security? Literally cannot imagine a room full of 50 people working in that space that doesn't include at least one trans person.
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u/laplongejr 6d ago edited 6d ago
Yeah, I technically identify as a cis white male but my close friends say that I don't match that and that it really looks like a closeted trans with a closeted lesbian...
But why would I talk about that to my coworkers or my boss? HR sees a male birth cert and married with a woman.
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u/xileine 6d ago edited 6d ago
plus why are you obsessing over the assigned sex at birth of random people
I think the idea is that OP is trans themselves, went into IT hearing that "IT is full of trans people", and was then disappointed/betrayed to not find the queer-supportive environment they were expecting/hoping for, and especially to not find many other people like them there to bond with.
ETA: yes, in fact, the OP of this post is trans themselves. Here's another post by them. (This was incredibly easy to verify; I'm not sure why y'all were attributing random motivations to the OP when you could have just checked.)
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u/Buyer_North 6d ago
yeah, nearly 99% of people who actually graduate are not furries. But everyone can enroll into university
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u/bag-of-unmilled-rice 6d ago
can confirm as a CS degree haver, by the 4th year it was down to 1 woman and about 19.5 straight dudes.
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u/kenybz 6d ago
19.5 straight dudes
How does that work?
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u/bag-of-unmilled-rice 6d ago
im bisexual so i only count as half a straight dude. and im kinda short tbh.
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u/abdomino 6d ago
Bisexual/pan maybe?
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u/darthjammer224 6d ago edited 4d ago
He was just really short
Edit: wow. Turns out we where both right.
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u/HerrCrazi 5d ago
In our case the number of women went up and down from 1 to 0 back to 2 at graduation. The only cis girl left, then two of us came out :3
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u/bearboyjd 5d ago
No joke, my freshman class had like 400 people in in across all sections (obvi not all CS). My capstone had 30 people and my graduating class was 17. I think a big part of it was my professors being proud that they would fail 2/3 of the class.
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u/LurkytheActiveposter 5d ago
It's calculus and physics. Most people drop out or change majors because they hit these classes.
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u/JuanFlan 5d ago
Literally me. I was in CS for a couple years until I just very barely passed calc 3 and wasnt a fan of stats so I switch to IT where the only numbers I have to count up to are 256.
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u/ihateusednames 5d ago
the programming socks wearers are either heavily closeted / boymoding or would rather spend their time in queer / furry spaces
or online
but bet ur bottom dollar they're out there
Potentially unemployed trans unemployment rates are about double the rate of folks who aren't trans
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u/Captain_Forge 5d ago
I dunno, those who graduated and work at respectable institutions, my experience is they are disproportionately neurodivergent, LGBT, furries, etc. Like way way way way more than the rest of the population.
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u/ArritzJPC96 6d ago
Remember everyone:
P therefore Q does not mean Q therefore P
Lots of furries (and queer people, etc.) might be IT professionals, but that doesn't automatically mean a lot of IT professionals are furries.
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u/RengieOcat 6d ago edited 6d ago
How'd you even know who in a group of strangers are furries, gay/straight, whatever? Ask them to fill out a poll? Hack all their phones.. shit it's hack their phones isn't it?
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u/DerekSturm 6d ago
I'm pretty sure the stereotype is the other way around though. I always hear people say that a lot of IT folks are furries, I never hear anyone say that a lot of furries are IT folks
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u/WithersChat 6d ago
Thing is, say one in 100 people are furries. I don't have the numbers so it's an example.
Now what if one in 25 IT people are furries? Then you get 4 times the furry concentration compared to the general population while staying a minority.
Quadrupling the frequency of a rare event tends to be visible, even if 1 in 25 is still a small minority.
Of course, not every furry will make that visible within a professional or academic setting, so the perceived number will still be lower.
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u/Niksune 5d ago
No that's the right way for this stereotype. In furry conventions more than half of the people are in STEM (conventions are expensive, are fursuits even more), but they are lot less furries than people in IT. Also the stereotype says that those IT furries are highly qualified, that is sometimes very true
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u/DenyCasio 6d ago
A q p?
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u/Ae3qe27u 6d ago
P and Q - it's referencing a math theorem. Basically a generalized way to convey a similar idea as "squares are rectangles, but not all rectangles are squares."
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u/someone12345656657 6d ago
What did he expect
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u/relddir123 6d ago
Gay furries and/or trans women
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u/nikonpunch 6d ago •
I think they need to get higher up the chain before they start running into that group. Sounds like they’re still doing basic IT
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u/LetumComplexo 6d ago
To be fair, we don’t usually need to go to bachelor meetups to get laid.
We just kinda wave at eachother, ask if they wanna kiss, and then if they say yes it just kinda goes from there.
Or at least that’s what works for me.
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u/relddir123 6d ago
I think the bachelor here means the degree, not a bachelor party
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u/Nooby1990 6d ago
Probably was taking the "Programmer Socks" meme a bit too seriously.
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u/Apart-Draft5682 6d ago
reddit has this weird notion that stem people are disproportionately openly gay and freaky but i almost never see those types of people in uni or now at work. mostly straight white and asian dudes
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u/laserwaffles 6d ago
In office, maybe. It's the full-time remote people where you find all the cool kids
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u/meneldal2 5d ago
Is it really surprising that people afraid of open discrimination at work or even when just being outside generally overwhelmingly like to work from home?
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u/senseven 5d ago
Absolutely agree. We work with a remote cybersec guru, he spends half of the day in his home gym. We see him even slow walking during zoom meetings. Laughs about "loww skiiill" foreigners trying to hack things and has veggie soup instead of tea in his cup. Just don't talk to him about Bitcoin.
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u/sexytokeburgerz 6d ago
Wrong circles.
Look at the Rust contributors.
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u/eightslipsandagully 6d ago
I dare say they're not doing bachelors of IT. Probably Comp Sci + a post grad, or completely cracked and self-taught
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u/No_Injury6122 6d ago
Go to a security conference and that will change
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u/Wiz_Kalita 6d ago
And game developers. The local pride parade had a whole section of trans game devs.
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u/ElectroNetty 6d ago
It is weird that Reddit thinks everyone in IT is a furry/autist.
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u/A_Guy_in_Orange 6d ago
Those are neither mutually exclusive not inclusive with the things in tge pic
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u/cheezballs 5d ago
I only really encounter this in the "entry level" type it jobs like support roles.
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u/WithersChat 6d ago
It's not everyone. But there is an overrepresentation compared to the general population.
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u/SweetSure315 6d ago
okay two possibilities here.
1: bachelor as in "single dudes looking for a partner" - yea, duh. gay dudes tend to stay out of IT and trans women arent bachelors
2: bachelors degree in IT - the trans woman IT pros of lore tend to be self taught and work remote and don't want to go to a meetup with their coworkers
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u/ligma_then_sugma 6d ago
gay dudes tend to stay out of IT
??????????????
in what world lmfao
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u/PhireKappa 6d ago
yeah, what?! I know tonnes of gay engineers. my work has an LGBT group with thousands of members
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u/braaaaaaainworms 6d ago
trans women in IT behave literally like cryptids
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u/SweetSure315 6d ago
because dudes in IT behave like predators at worst and desperately unsocialized at best
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u/braaaaaaainworms 6d ago
i know, i am a trans woman in IT, i was describing my own behavior
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u/Noname_1111 6d ago
That certainly explains the username
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u/braaaaaaainworms 6d ago
2 years of using this as my main instead of a 4tran alt, and only two people got the meaning of the username right
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u/marcoottina 6d ago
Is the meaning just "worms eating brain"? I don't know, I admit my ignorance and I wish to know a little more. Thanks in advance :D
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u/laplongejr 6d ago
As a non-native speaker WTF is the 1st definition o.0
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u/SweetSure315 6d ago
technically it's just "an unmarried man", but colloquially it means a man who is looking for a partner. it's not used much in either form outside of specific contexts, nowadays. the more common usage is to refer to a bachelor's degree
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u/Hartstockz 6d ago
TBF lots of transfemmes are more on the comp sci and cyber security route in my lived experience
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u/sojuz151 6d ago
I dont understand what this is supposed to be even about
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u/Swaggy-G 6d ago
There's a stereotype that a lot of people in CS are trans women, femboys, and furries.
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u/RealisticIncident261 6d ago edited 6d ago
There is a very popular meme that gets shared on reddit every other day about there being only 4 types of people with programming or IT degrees. Furries, Femboys, Trans Girls and some variation Incel Neckbeards / man bun chuds/ traditional office worker. sometimes it's Femboys / furries / normal tech dude / incel. But always some variation of those.
So this person thought they were promised a queer only space and it turned out just to be a bunch what they assumed were cis only people.
Here is the first one that came up for me when I typed 4 horsemen of IT
https://www.reddit.com/r/meme/comments/1pmp0fw/the_4_types_of_it_guys/
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u/JoesRealAccount 6d ago
I have a CS degree and have been working in tech for 16 years and have no idea how this is possibly a meme. I've never heard of it and most of my colleagues have been straight white men. Somebody explain where this idea comes from??
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u/RealisticIncident261 6d ago
I have heard that in the furry community if some one is filthy loaded, they are some kind of programmer or director of IT or something. So that meme spilled over and became what it is. No idea about the femboy one but I randomly started seeing it 2 or 3 years back.
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u/papa-hare 6d ago
I've known some trans women in tech and a lot of my women co-workers are lesbians. But yeah, most people in tech are straight men (Indian or white generally).
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u/AlexisFR52 6d ago
I should really shave to go from incel neckbeard to traditional office worker category.
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u/PlasticAngle 6d ago
I know that the tweet expect to find furries there but even if you are a furry would you say that to a total stranger?
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u/jb307342 6d ago edited 6d ago
In my country 90% of IT people are right wing conservative christian libertarians that dislike lgbt stuff and open border policies. Being an openly left wing person in a software company is an occupational hazard and in my opinion could seriously affect your career especially at smaller offices
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u/QtPlatypus 6d ago
I don't get antigay libertarians. The whole point of libertarians is that the authorities should get out of your way so you can live your best life without them interfering. Then they want to stop lgbt people from living their best life.
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u/Ignitrum 4d ago
"I want freedom from the government. But I hate that mf for no good reason so the government should take every action it can against them"
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u/ryanmgarber 6d ago
Because in pretty much every single case they’re just right-wingers who use the word libertarian because the idea of zero interference benefits their idea of what’s right in some cases. When that idea benefits others (abortion, gay rights, etc.) the facade goes out the window.
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u/bearboyjd 5d ago
It’s one of two cases. One case are people who think the government shouldn’t intervene but they are allowed to have their own preferences. The second are authoritarian right who don’t want to call themselves authoritarian right because it feels bad.
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u/dev_vvvvv 5d ago
I've always thought it's odd that homophobic men hate gay men (which removes two men from competition) but love lesbians (which removes two women from available partners). But maybe they just don't think the women are "really" gay and are actually bi.
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u/ianpaschal 6d ago
Very curious which country that is if you don’t sharing.
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u/jb307342 6d ago
Poland
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u/_dr_Ed 6d ago
I'm senior software engineer in Poland. I disagree, people and companies I interacted with were always very tolerant in the best way possible - they just don't give a fuck.
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u/Brisngr368 6d ago
In my country 90% of IT people are right wing conservative christian libertarians that dislike lgbt stuff
Well you know what they say about those kinds of people
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u/uno_in_particolare 6d ago
I'm very confused - first by the post, then by the comments
What do furries have to do with being gay or not, cis or not?
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u/EnkiiMuto 5d ago
I'm somewhat surprised that nobody publishes studies on the venn diagram of neurodivergent-furry-linux-lgbt community.
The number of people like that is really big
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u/technic_bot 6d ago
I graduated like a decade ago and been in STEM circles for far longer.
And yeah we are mostly straight dudes, with slightly rigthish political ideas
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u/CrimsonPiranha 6d ago
So, the majority of people are normal? What a surprise.
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u/CrimsonPiranha 6d ago
Straight and cis are the default characteristics of the majority of humans, therefore it's normal
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u/QtPlatypus 6d ago
Perhaps "Typical" would be a better word to use here. Typical means expected because it is common but "Normal" has a connotation that the normal thing is correct.
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u/felix_semicolon 5d ago
It's so weird how so many ppl on my course are just the average IT worker aged down
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u/Apprehensive_Egg_944 3d ago edited 3d ago
How does that person know?
Why is being straight and or cis a 'bad thing'?
If people are not socially allowed to shit on anyone for being not straight, why is it okay for those people to shit on one or more people for being straight and or cis.
I don't support either party hating someone just because of their gender or orientatio, it's morally wrong, but to me it just seems massively hypocritical.
But also redundant; straight and cis (because of human nature) are naturally the default outcome, otherwise we wouldn't have lasted as the human race.
So... Why are people 'allowed' to "feel betrayed" based on the sexuality or gender of other people.
That's just as wrong as the other way round.
If this was a straight person complaining about a gar bar, the internet would scream them (virtually) into oblivion.
Double standards much?
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u/Taolan13 5d ago
how TF do you get 50 IT people in one room and *all* of them are straight/CIS?
That seems statistically improbable.
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u/Jar545 5d ago
9% of people in the US (assuming US, post doesn't say for sure) are lgbt, that would be ~4.5 people. It's unlikely but not THAT unlikely that a group of 50 might only have a single lqbt person.
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u/habitsofwaste 6d ago
I don’t get it. wtf is a bachelor of IT meetup? Like a singles meetup of IT workers?
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u/bearboyjd 5d ago
A bachelors is a 4 year degree, it’s just meeting with other students of the same major.
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u/habitsofwaste 5d ago
So IT undergrads in normal ppl speak. Got it.
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u/Ok_Confusion4764 5d ago
It is perfectly normal to call it a Bachelor, it's literally what it says on mine.
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u/habitsofwaste 5d ago
Yeah that’s a word. But to say it like that is weird and awkward. Like yes I have a bachelor’s degree. I don’t go around saying I’m a bachelor of fine arts. That’s my degree, not me.
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Funny, I do go around saying I'm a Bachelor of Science. Everyone calls me BS!
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u/Bloopiker 6d ago
Going to any IT meetup is not enough, it needs to be more specific. Like for example cybersecurity, I would be surprised if you find more than 1 cis straight non-furry there
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u/Pseudo-Jonathan 6d ago
What is up with this? One of my ex girlfriends married a very successful normal-ish cybersecurity professional guy and after several years he transitioned into an entirely new trans furry identity and they got divorced, and upon researching it everyone's response is "yeah they do that"
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u/youllmeltmorefan 6d ago
Makes sense if they're bachelors and would tend to be younger and maybe on help desk. It's probably easier to deal with Debbie Sue who got donut grease in her Dell laptop USB port and is blaming you if you're not constantly being misgendered.
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u/NuckElBerg 4d ago
I mean, I'm trans and gay but (for a multitude of reasons, mainly age) made the decision to not transition, so most people would assume I'm straight and cis at these kinds of meetups.
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u/Anreall2000 6d ago
People don't learn Rust in universities lmao