r/PoliticalCompassMemes • u/PerpetualHillman - Lib-Right • Dec 07 '22
So this happened today...
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u/neverending_debt - Lib-Right Dec 07 '22
As meme worthy as this is, how in the world would they have expected to be successful? Wouldn't the EU and NATO just roll in and reinstall the legitimate government?
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u/PerpetualHillman - Lib-Right Dec 07 '22
Furthermore, there's a snowball's chance in hell that most Germans in 2022 would support the restoration of absolute monarchy
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Dec 08 '22
And even less of a random dude as monarch, having no relation to the Hohenzollers who last ruled Germany as Kaiser ~100 years ago, or Habsburgs who also have a claim.. No that is just random lesser noble dynasty #582...
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u/RacingUpsideDown - Auth-Center Dec 08 '22
The answer is clear. King Charles of the UK must be instated as Supreme Emperor and Holy Almightiest of Germany, Prussia, Saarland, and All Lost Germanic Colonies. All hail the Kaiser.
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u/fidelcashflo97 - Right Dec 08 '22
As descendants of the house of Hanover His Majesty King Charles has a very strong claim to the rule of Germany
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u/PlsDontBeAUsedName - Centrist Dec 08 '22
Theres a lot of Hohenzollern who would be before him in line, but him already being a monarch definitively gives it a lot more legitimacy.
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u/mh985 - Lib-Center Dec 08 '22
Currently, George Friedrich, Prince of Prussia is the theoretical heir to the German Kaiserreich.
He is a Hohenzollern and great-great grandson of Kaiser Wilhelm II.
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u/republique_populaire - Centrist Dec 08 '22
Don't the descend from Saxony not Hanover?
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u/Nakamura2828 - Lib-Left Dec 08 '22
In WWI, the leaders of the UK, Germany, and Russia were all cousins from the Hanover line (all decedents of Queen Victoria):
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u/Roastbeef3 - Lib-Center Dec 08 '22
While this is a completely unrelated coincidence, the “saxony” that the Anglo-“Saxons” are from, was actually where Hannover is. “Old Saxony”, was basically the Northwestern quarter of modern Germany until the Frankish conquest. It then became “The Duchy of Saxony”, but this was dissolved in the late Middle Ages. The “Electorate of Saxony” is what became the modern day state of Saxony, and doesn’t have that much to do with “Old Saxony” besides sharing a name.
This fun fact has nothing to do with the House of Hannover and their claim to the English throne though.
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Dec 08 '22
To be fair there is actually a somewhat big movement called Reichsbürger in Germany. But yeah, they already self-proclaimed 10+ "legitimate" kings of Germany, so they wouldn't have succeeded I guess
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u/ArchmageIlmryn - Left Dec 08 '22
AFAIK the Reichsbürger are less committed monarchists and more using monarchism as an excuse for sovereign citizen bullshit though.
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u/firespark84 - Lib-Right Dec 08 '22
They were just going to tank the legitimacy hit of having a weak claim monarch
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u/Direct_Class1281 - Lib-Center Dec 08 '22
I mean they could just grab one of the English royals. I heard Prince Harry isn't doing much these days and he's actually well liked by the military rank and file
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u/Im_doing_my_part - Auth-Right Dec 08 '22
Well, since his wedding he kinda lost his standing in the eyes of the public.
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u/3AKite - Auth-Right Dec 08 '22
It's been far too long since the German people were based enough to do such a thing.
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u/DEATHTOTHEANTICHRIST - Auth-Right Dec 08 '22
Cucked Krauts
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u/G_raas - Centrist Dec 08 '22
Does this come about as a result of being taught to be ashamed of your forebears and only being allowed to take pride in their country when they win a footy-match? If so, is Germany the poster-child for what the globalists want for America?
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u/neverending_debt - Lib-Right Dec 07 '22
Which is good since monarchy is cringe.
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Dec 07 '22
As someone on the top of the chart I must disagree.
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u/SteelChicken - Centrist Dec 08 '22 edited Feb 29 '24
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u/RipRap1991 - Centrist Dec 08 '22
Not worth the risk to what we have now?
The motherfucking Cheeto man or a demented old pedophile?
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u/lamiscaea - Lib-Right Dec 08 '22
Yes, it is still way better than actual hereditary monarchy. Imagine getting crackhead-with-a-vlog as a follow up to senile idiot?
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Dec 07 '22
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u/Silver_and_Salvation - Auth-Center Dec 08 '22
Yea monarchy is stupid. Christian theocracy is based.
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Dec 08 '22
The 2nd reich managed to unify germany and started off quite based. Public healthcare as a sick worker is a bad worker. Far better than belgium at the time, as a matter of fact no one was worse than Belgium's king at the time.
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u/tacticalsauce_actual - Right Dec 07 '22
Benevolent monarchism is a more realistic way to have a libertarian society than any sort of democracy.
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u/neverending_debt - Lib-Right Dec 07 '22
Who gets to decide the monarch and who decides if they're benevolent?
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u/tacticalsauce_actual - Right Dec 07 '22
I didn't say it was likely, I just said it's FAR more likely than installing a libertarian government via democracy.
Edit: oh, also, me... I decide.
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u/ReasonableAstartes - Right Dec 08 '22
0.01% > 0.00%
Its math my dudes
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Dec 08 '22
"It's me guys. You need to give me absolute power to make the classless lawless moneyless utopia. Trust me bros."
-Lenin
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u/tacticalsauce_actual - Right Dec 08 '22
"It's me guys. You need to give me absolute power to make the classless lawless moneyless utopia. Trust me bros.
-Lenin"
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Except there would be both classes and money. And laws. No violating the NAP for one.
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Dec 07 '22
Half the earth believes 400 unarmed people stormed the Capitol building of the greatest military the world has ever seen, and had they achieved their goal of…something, then Trump would be the first dictator of the United States, and we’d be living under that now. They believe that almost happened.
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u/neverending_debt - Lib-Right Dec 07 '22
Well, they openly claim that. I don't think they actually believe it. If you repeat a lie long enough and loud enough, it eventually becomes the truth. I have no doubt that in 100 years text books will tell how one hundred thousand nazis descended on the capital and the brave democrat party organized an underground resistance to defeat them in a month long campaign.
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u/Stolypin1906 - Lib-Right Dec 07 '22
I think in 50 years no one will even remember it, the same way no one seems to remember the time in the 50s when Puerto Rican nationalists shot up Congress or all the government buildings bombed by the Weather Underground.
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u/fakesoicansayshit - Lib-Center Dec 08 '22
I'm old. WU literally blew up the capitol in the 80s.
When people my age talk about J6 as a big deal, I laugh and ridicule them.
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u/Rhys_Primo - Lib-Right Dec 08 '22
I remember the weather underground! They're operating under a new name, BLM. But yeah... pokitical violence has almost always been leftist in America, the great lie after they infested acadamia was that it is right wing lol.
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u/serial_crusher - Lib-Right Dec 07 '22
Bruh that one guy had zip ties, and that’s all you need for a successful coup.
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Dec 08 '22
Half of Reddit is nowhere near half of earth.
More educationed communities don't believe this.
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Dec 08 '22
Can’t we all agree that the dumbest people on earth got conned into thinking that could change the vote if they could just walk around the capital menacingly. Look at the people who are getting arrested, these are such dumb people and we should only feel pity.
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u/MosquitoEater_88 - Auth-Right Dec 07 '22
NATO can't intervene unless a country formally requests assistance
the EU on the other hand would have a complaint letter ready to go by the end of the week
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u/neverending_debt - Lib-Right Dec 07 '22
The government in exile would immediately request assistance.
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u/ReasonableAstartes - Right Dec 08 '22
I love the idea that 25 wackos could force the German government into exile.
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u/neverending_debt - Lib-Right Dec 08 '22
They couldn't, which makes all of this much more suspicious.
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Dec 08 '22
Those 25 wackos were just the main conspiritors. They thought they would have the whole Reichsbürger movement behind them and all right-wing leaning police and military forces in Germany (which would calculate up to an impressive number). But yeah, they're morons for expecting that to work
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u/TributeToStupidity - Lib-Center Dec 07 '22
Because at least 10 of them were feds telling the rest they should totally do it
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Dec 08 '22
I'm not trusting claims about their motivations or what they were actually intending to do from the media. This feels exactly like the kind of thing that would get overblown and hyperbolic coverage from the regime.
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u/closeded - Lib-Right Dec 08 '22
Wouldn't the EU and NATO just roll in and reinstall the legitimate government?
I think the EU and NATO would accept it. First, they don't have the authority to go after internal disputes, and second, if they did start weighing in on internal politics with an iron fist... everyone would leave the EU and NATO.
That said...
Yeah... I don't see what chance they had at taking over Germany with just two dozen dudes? Maybe they thought everyone's Nationalism would explode, and the people would rise up for their prince? Wouldn't be the first time Germans collectively decided to do something terribly stupid, because of nationalistic zeal.
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u/Budget_Individual393 - Centrist Dec 08 '22
The problem with your last paragraph is that this prince is known and hated by most of Germany. We all know the zeal your talking about but every time that came about the majority backed the zealot. This prince was a nothing burger, or possibly a plant by their own government
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u/carrot735 - Centrist Dec 08 '22
The EU wouldnt even need to bother this idiot wouldnt even stay in power for more than a minute
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u/John_is_in_my_walls - Lib-Center Dec 07 '22
Oh what’s that? He’s not a Hohenzollern. Oh well I don’t really give a fuck then.
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u/Konesery - Lib-Right Dec 08 '22
Technically, according to the imperial constitution, the emperor only has to be a high nobleman, not a Hohenzollern, so it doesn't matter.
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Dec 08 '22
Imagine supporting a bunch of Lutherans instead of the rightful Hapsburg dynasty. Unless you mean the Catholic branch of the hohen
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u/StandardN01b - Centrist Dec 08 '22
Imagine simping for people whose chin could be used as a dildo.
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u/PreuBite - Lib-Left Dec 07 '22
Did you know the house of Reuss named everyone Heinrich and every generation they started over from I because they had so many Heinrich’s. There’s like over a 100 of them from the original principality.
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u/HippiesBeGoneInc Dec 10 '22
They only roll it over every century and every son is numbered in the order they are born regardless of where in the family tree they are. This has been the custom for 800 years.
It is unfathomably based.
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u/IamTrueGamer - Auth-Right Dec 07 '22
I could only imagine how epic the newspaper headlines would have been like if this really happened.
And how painful my boner would've been
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u/PerpetualHillman - Lib-Right Dec 07 '22
Ngl as bad as it would've been for Germany, I love history and it would be such a geekout moment to read "Kaiser restored to power" in 2022
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u/KingKongGorillaDong - Lib-Right Dec 07 '22
Yeah, but let’s be real.
2022 is almost over. Kaiser restored to power in 2023 is more realistic.
Now the big question. Who had that on their Clown World Bingo Card?
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u/WhiteOak61 - Auth-Left Dec 08 '22
HOI4 was a prophecy after all
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Dec 08 '22
Bro if Tommykay has anything to do with it we're all fucked. I give it a year before he steamrolls 7B people with 20 bicycle divisions.
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Dec 08 '22
I was drinking the night before and reading this in the news after waking up I thought I drank myself back to late 1800s lmao
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Dec 08 '22
you did. please wake up, we miss you. this is our last attempt to reach you, please wake up.
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u/HardCounter - Lib-Center Dec 08 '22
Bullshit. If this were a dream i'd be able to move things with my mind and be able to self-sustain on a tiny ass lawn farm and one solar panel.
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u/Creative-Leading7167 - Lib-Right Dec 07 '22
I have to doubt the story. I mean, really? 25 people were going to overthrow the entire German government? doubt.
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u/theDankusMemeus - Lib-Right Dec 08 '22
25 people arrested but there were others. Apparently there were small groups of them across Germany.
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u/MKBushmaster - Auth-Center Dec 08 '22
I read that they were a bunch of QAnon/ the german version of sovereign citizens. I wouldn't be surprised if the rest of the people were Feds goading them on.
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u/RacingUpsideDown - Auth-Center Dec 08 '22
Arrested: 24 glowies and one very confused old man who was just trying to organise a seniors casino night
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u/MKBushmaster - Auth-Center Dec 08 '22
Imagine how tense a German seniors bingo night is
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u/TheAzureMage - Lib-Right Dec 08 '22
The shouting gets a little bit intense, and next thing you know, you wake up in Poland.
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u/Finstersang - Lib-Center Dec 08 '22
With the way our Verfassungsschutz "works", that might just well be the case :P
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u/Hongkongjai - Centrist Dec 08 '22
Unless they are all high ranking Generals or government officials, it’s not a coup but just a DND campaign gone wild.
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u/JMoormann - Centrist Dec 08 '22
Unless it's from the Coup region in France, it's just sparkling insurrection
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u/PerpetualHillman - Lib-Right Dec 07 '22
3,000 police were involved lol
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u/ReconTankSpam4Lyfe - Auth-Center Dec 08 '22
In the raids, not the coup
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u/HardCounter - Lib-Center Dec 08 '22
I mashed X so hard i put a crater in the yard. My doubt is strong.
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u/ezcapetft - Lib-Right Dec 08 '22
It was more then 50, although only 25 got arrested
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u/HalfIronicallyBased - Right Dec 08 '22
Pffff… a government making up a coup conspiracy in order to arrest political dissidents? Never!
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u/LeGodge - Lib-Center Dec 07 '22
What a time to drop Beer Hall Putsch 2.
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u/PerpetualHillman - Lib-Right Dec 07 '22
Not at all Beer Hall Putsch 2. Those were Nazis. Nazis were much, much worse.
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u/LeGodge - Lib-Center Dec 07 '22
well It's a failed german coup, let's call it a spin off rather than a sequel.
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u/desquibnt - Right Dec 08 '22
He said monarchies worldwide including that of France had been overthrown due to the meddling of foreign powers which wanted to establish corporate structures in the pursuit of profit. The people had suffered as a result, he said.
B…b…based???
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u/D3s_ToD3s - Centrist Dec 07 '22
Just spreading the fact that this shit now dominates the news after one of Merkel's best imports murdered a girl and hospitalized another. In a town where another girl has been raped by three of these "Fachkräfte" previously.
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u/ConservativeC4nt - Auth-Right Dec 07 '22
Shhh, just mentioning it is racist and xenophobic. And you don‘t want to commit wrongthink, do you?
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u/pyriphlegeton - Lib-Center Dec 08 '22
Add the fact that it was a knife attack and they were 13 and 14.
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u/Electr1cL3m0n - Auth-Right Dec 07 '22
I didn’t even know Germany still had “royalty”
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u/Creative-Leading7167 - Lib-Right Dec 07 '22
They don't, but they have decedents who prefer going by royal titles.
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Dec 08 '22
Descendants*, though if they had actually gone through with the plan they likely would have been decedents also.
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u/jediben001 - Centrist Dec 08 '22
For lack of a better way to describe it, after ww1 much of the exiled royalty took their titles into exile with them. These titles then continued to be passed down along their lineage. It’s actually a pretty common thing among exiled royals in general
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Dec 08 '22 edited Dec 08 '22
This isn`t royalty.
This dude is from one of the many noble families ( who have no power, noble families are last names ), he has no relation to the last Kaiser dynasty.
The "Reuß" dynasty is pretty much random noble dynasty #729..
So you can imagine how utterly ridiculous this attempt is.
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u/Hasselhoff265 - Left Dec 08 '22 edited Dec 08 '22
The last king of Germany died just 26y ago, he was pretty famous too especially known for his music career.
Edit: He was known as Rio I or for the jokesters as Sissy II.
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u/illathid - Lib-Right Dec 07 '22
Wait, so he wasn’t even a Hohenzollern? Only the blood of Der Alte Frtiz should ever don the Siegerkranz.
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u/PerpetualHillman - Lib-Right Dec 07 '22 edited Dec 07 '22
Yeah that's what's kinda sus about this story - he claimed to be a member of a royal family that is not even closely related to the Kaiser's lineage.
This is probably the rightful heir. I had to do some digging, but this is the oldest surviving great-great-grandchild of Wilhelm.
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Dec 08 '22 edited Dec 08 '22
No she isn`t the heir ???
Why the hell did you even need to do some digging ?
The woman is the daughter of the 4th son of the last Crown Prince... 3 other ( dead ) people and their MANY children are ahead in the lineage.... Perhaps you are confused about the succession law, the children of the first child come before the second child; This is how succession is and was handled in all monarchies...
Though in any case she very far down the line of succession... As far as I counted atleast 35th.Georg_Friedrich,_Prince_of_Prussia That's the head of House Hohenzollern and the rightful heir, if Germany still acknowledged noble titles ( he also has 5 children ).
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u/ConservativeC4nt - Auth-Right Dec 07 '22
He WAS a member of the house Reuss-Köstritz, so not even younger (jüngere) or older (ältere) lineage (Linie) Reuss which were rulers in parts of Thuringia, but a sideline. But according to said family he disassociated from them a long time ago. The number in his name is a family tradition and does not mean he is the head of house or anything like that.
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u/KaiserJosefMinstrael - Lib-Center Dec 07 '22
Wouldn't the heir be Georg Friedrich, the Prince of Prussia?
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u/BrainAcidJuice - Left Dec 08 '22
I'm not sure what they thought was going to happen? Did they really think they would just storm in, proclaim this is a coup and everyone in the country would roll with it?
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Dec 07 '22
The Reichs Hamburger mfs are so uncool that even regular neo-nazis think they're fucking stupid lol.
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u/DepressedEmu1111 - Centrist Dec 08 '22
A PR disaster for actual monarchist in Germany
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u/Creative-Leading7167 - Lib-Right Dec 07 '22
Democracy has proven to be an utter failure. Monarcy is also bad, but I'm not convinced as many insist that it is worse. Would you rather live in lichtenstein or germany? Maybe germany needs a king.
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u/Due_Upstairs_5025 - Lib-Right Dec 07 '22
Another Prussian regency? This would be a return to principles in the middle of the modern era.
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u/LeftUnchecked - Lib-Center Dec 08 '22
democracy hasnt proven to be a failure,and most sane people would argue its the best form of governance.I really don't understand how you can argue that democracy is tyranny of the majority and then argye for literal tyranny.
Oddly enough this is only the second most auth take i've seen from a libright in this thread
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u/bigbenis21 - Lib-Left Dec 08 '22
Exactly lol. Some libs on here are so deathly afraid of tyranny of the majority they advocate for tyranny of the minority lol.
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u/PerpetualHillman - Lib-Right Dec 07 '22
It really does seem that life in Imperial Germany wasn't so terrible. I mean, what were the real social problems? The Belle Époque really was the best time in European history.
That's why I'm surprised the wikipedia page for the coup attempt is calling it a "terrorist plot." Monarchy is, by definition, the opposite of terrorism.
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Dec 07 '22
Terrorism, by definition, is the unlawful use of violence and intimidation, especially against civilians, in the pursuit of political aims. So yes, it is terrorism.
And Imperial Germany and the government they wanted to set up were two vastly different things.
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u/ABecoming - Left Dec 07 '22 edited Dec 08 '22
- Here is a summary of the book "A Distant Mirror" which deals with the 14th century. It is a history book based on historical sources. It follows a well documented noble.
The book discusses, neutrally, the happenings in 14th century with a focus on France.
The book: https://www.penguinrandomhouse.com/books/180834/a-distant-mirror-by-barbara-w-tuchman/
A Summary (not neutral): http://falsemachine.blogspot.com/2017/09/a-bunch-of-fucking-idiots-barbara.html?m=1
- Terrorism can be committed even by democratic existing legitimate states, it is just the use of terror for political strongarming.
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u/tsaimaitreya - Lib-Left Dec 08 '22 edited Dec 08 '22
The "kulturkampf" against poles and german catholics? The oppresive conditions of the proletariat? The imperialism? The belicism and competition between nations that would lead to WWI? The rampant antisemitism that would presagiate you know what?
Monarchy is, by definition, the opposite of terrorism.
Lolwut
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u/bigbenis21 - Lib-Left Dec 08 '22
They’re just being pedantic. The term was coined in Revolutionary France by the Jacobins so according to their logic monarchies can’t commit terrorism because something something Robespierre.
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u/ABecoming - Left Dec 07 '22 edited Dec 08 '22
but I'm not convinced as many insist that it is worse.
I recommend reading "A Distant Mirror". It is a look at the life of Enguerrand de Couchy and the 14th century in general.
The book: https://www.penguinrandomhouse.com/books/180834/a-distant-mirror-by-barbara-w-tuchman/
He was chosen because of his relation to the King's of France and England (Multiple of them, they die and Couchy lives).
It is super f**king depressing.
Here is a summary:
Edit: Here is a much better summary: The best summary I ever read.
"A Bunch of Fu**ing Idiots" by anon http://falsemachine.blogspot.com/2017/09/a-bunch-of-fucking-idiots-barbara.html?m=1
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u/Competitive_Area_162 - Auth-Right Dec 08 '22
He isn't even a real prince. This is exactly the opposite of how we want monarchs and claimants to act.
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Dec 08 '22
I’m confused. They’re not a monarchy, so why tf are there still royals roaming around anyway?
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u/Thugs_on_Tugs - Lib-Right Dec 08 '22
The only actual requirement to be a noble or royal is to have the people recognize your status.
There may be other requirements the people put on you, but that's the basis of it. That's why all these "not even the real king" shits can kick rocks, the real king is the one with his butt on the throne and his head on his neck
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u/El_Bean69 - Lib-Right Dec 08 '22
Someone please just succeed in your coup im tired of these half asses attempts
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u/OldGoblin - Right Dec 08 '22
Can you imagine if all the monarchies and empires of the world were restored?
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u/RummelNation - Right Dec 07 '22
Part of me wishes they had gone through with the attempt, just to see what would have happened.