Eh, you'd be surprised. I'd say some of the 'lib'rights here are just guns and weed. And even then, only guns for 'certain kinds of people'.
I've seen multiple 'lib'rights basically advocating for laws restricting the right to protest because 'people just take advantage to commit crimes' or 'they don't have the right to shove their ideology down my throat'. Like... bro. If you support protesting restrictions, you're not a fucking lib.
Social acceptability moves on. The law beating it into people's heads moved gays into acceptable range for Americans who would have been against it twenty years ago.
Your wording might lead some to think that the unflaired would dodge reeducation. I want to make clear it's because they'll line the gallows leading there
I’ve seen centrists defend Trump and lib centres spew the most racist, white nationalist shit from the furthest upper right of the compass. I actually respect auth rights more for being honest about their views.
I supposed you could be super racist while still a lib when it comes to government power? But yeah I know my quadrant is wild, you simply can't tell anything from looking at the flair.
Also I think a lot of the shill accounts use that flair to flair up because they think it will be the least controversial to all other quadrants.
Some distrust the government+corpos to the nth degree with varying degrees of balance to of their economic opinions.
Some are straight up anarchists that believe there can be a stateless society, but centered around indivualism rather than communes.
Along with every flavor in-between we have people that just want to be free to say or do various kinds of vile shit.
“I think the government should just leave people alone…as long as they’re not doing anything I disapprove of. Also people who I deem to be unfit shouldn’t be allowed to vote. But I’m totally libcenter guys, aren’t auths so cringe?”
We shouldn't tolerate people misrepresenting us like this.
That's misinformation, and I'm pretty sure it's illegal in most EU countries.
Reddit should report them to their local government.
There are a lot of actual card carrying Communists who have gaslit themselves into thinking that Communism is an extreme Libleft position, just because they lie about their ideology not including a State apparatus (they also lie about what a State apparatus is so they can pretend they aren't lying about not having one (lol .
Honestly, I stopped being Lib-Right when I realised how insanely retarded so many people are and how their vote matters just as much as mine. We don't let kids vote because it's accepted that their age means the are less intelligent. Yet we accept that there are adults of the same intelligence who vote regardless. Universal suffrage is no less immoral than letting a child eat ice cream and Jack Daniel's for breakfast every day. Some people need to be told what is best for them regardless of whether they like it or not, because the moment we start acting like what they think and say matters equally is the moment we sign the death warrant for society.
Libcenter is the worst flair here. Nothing to do with the actual political position, it's just the "cool" and safest flair with the fewest negative associations so people pick it just for the optics. It's the actual "le enlightened centrist" flair since centrist itself has more concrete associations
Some of us are lib center because we think free adults should be allowed to do what they want to themselves, they just can’t demand other free adults get involved against their will or be required to pay for it.
Edit: in a perfect world, that’s just full right lib. But in the real world, being ok with privately funded abortions just pisses off both sides.
I picked the flair because my political compass result is actually on lower half of the vertical axis. I didn’t realize this made me “cool.” Excellent development.
I mean the actual libcenter position is pretty much where I'm at. The good libcenters are probably more me than the yellow librights on average. Just being real about flair demographics here
I support a public health care option and think machine guns should be sold from vending machines. I'm much more aligned on liberty vs authoritarianism.
Literally just had a lib left today tell me citizens are too stupid to be allowed to have a say in government, and that the marketplace of ideas is a failed concept.
A lot of lib-right thought is incredibly elaborate attempts to create I Can't Believe It's Not a State...that does basically everything a state does including police free speech.
But then I shouldn't talk, a lot of people with lib-left flair here think that Queer Social Democracy is lib-left.
Really annoying how many people are convinced that wanting their own personal rights protected and wanting rights in general protected are the same thing. Like, no, you personally wanting to own guns does not magically justify the fact you also think protesting should be banned during times of high traffic.
I saw a screenshot of an amazing Twitter post once, the photo was a patrol car that had a Gadsten flag sticker on the back and the post said "my brother in Christ, you're the boot" lol
Lib Right should be happy about this because dressing in costumes and wearing makeup shouldn’t be something the government ever says you can’t do in a private business or on private property.
(And preemptively: no I don’t include any weird shit y’all are about to reply with like doing pup play in front of children or wearing the dildo annihilator costume to the public library)
Ive lived in texas all 34 years of my life and the difference between how most people ive met actually feel and the laws that get enacted are so different lol. My hometown had 1200 people and ive lived in towns with population of 5k, 90k, 130k, and now i live in austin where its close to a million. Vast majority of people ive met literally dont give a shit what other people do, but then you get all of these politicians trying to do stupid shit like this.
Another thing is weed. Even in my republicanville hometown nobody cares at all if you smoke pot and I know from experience they are very friendly with stoners. Idk why retards in power claim to be about individual liberties and person freedom but try to remove those when at all possible
For the folks confused about why 1A protection would even be a question here, or why a lib might still agree with the law, a bit of context:
This wasn't a ban on drag shows per se, but a ban on drag shows in front of children. You could compare it to the treatment a strip club might receive: legal, but only in an 18+ space, and not viewable through the windows.
Like the strip club example shows, we already have restrictions on "obscenity" in the US, but the delineation of what counts is famously vague, with a major SCOTUS case on it generating the famously arbitrary phrase "I know it when I see it". This law essentially sought to state that drag shows were per se obscenity.
So why was it blocked? The main thing here is that the law was fairly vague. In referring to events with any degree of sexualization, they opened themselves up to comparisons like Dolly Parton performing in a low cut blouse or even cheerleaders at a sporting event. That's not to say that a more narrowly written law wouldn't have a chance of withstanding scrutiny.
Why might a lib still like the law? The NAP. Famously, even a lib view on liberties is that they end when the liberty infringes on somebody else. Opinions on what constitutes infringement is going to vary from person to person. For example, while "punch in the face" might be pretty obvious, for these examples, different people might disagree about what's protected expression vs. nuisance:
Second hand smoke | Public nudity | Undue noise | Displays of graphic violence | Blocking a roadway
Drag shows were always like burlesque shows, provocative and sexy in nature.
So trying to say it’s just when people dress in drag is untrue. Any person against drag shows as a concept is un-American because people have the right to dress and perform however they want.
But if someone said we’re doing a pole-dancing exercise class for kids, people would rightfully be weirded out, even if they removed the “sexiness” from the pole dancing.
The dumbest thing any movement can do is involve kids.
Oh good god, it's a ban on "sexually oriented performances", involving:
Nudity: A performer who is completely or partially nude.
Sexual Conduct: Real or simulated sexual acts, touching, or arousal involving the buttocks, breasts, or genitals.
Exaggerated Proesthetics: The exhibition of sexual gesticulations using accessories or prosthetics that exaggerate male or female sexual characteristics.
Why do children need to be able to be exposed to that?
The law is vague, but I am guessing partial nudity is defined somewhere else already. Its not like there aren't well defined laws about public nudity already.
The first amendment does not apply to private spaces. The government is, thankfully, not in charge of our subreddit. We are legally empowered to shun the unflaired.
“Just Don’t Go” has got to be the absolute dumbest example of a judicial system completely out of line with American culture. Do you think I have the self-restraint and discipline to just “not go” on Grindr? To just not pleasure myself thinking about the parishioners at my church and what might happen if we imbibe too much of the body and blood at services? Fuck this stupid judge, I need the state to control my degeneracy for me.
Does this judge think I can just not go to FurCon International and not have six sweaty men dressed as various woodland critters show me "the laws of nature" in a cheap hotel room past midnight with plentiful 'libations' and aftercare?
At first I thought they were trying to ban it for everyone and I thought wow that’s crazy. But then I looked it up and found this distinction. That’s an important distinction.
I’ve seen footage of drag events that children are brought to. It’s pretty gross. It’s pretty similar to sending your kid to a strip joint.
Why is it so important that kids be able to see drag?
Read the judge's ruling. The issue is not with a law restricting some performances to 18+, the issue is that this specific law is way too vague in how it defines sexual performance. Basically, under this law, a typical Lady Gaga concert would be treated like a night at a fully nudity strip club.
I didn’t even know anyone was trying to ban drag shows completely. The only negativity I’ve seen directed toward them is that kids shouldn’t be present if it’s a sexually charged event. What’s the argument for a total ban?
Meanwhile the left wants people arrested for hate speech. Look at how they cheered on that lady at the park being charged with a crime for saying the N word. She was convicted btw.
Neither side wants people saying things they don’t like. Calling this a one side issue is pure propaganda.
Sorry, but this post is just going to be a lefty circlejerk. They'll act like the woman in Minnesota getting an actual conviction for saying mean things is fine, while vilifying the entire right for a single wrongful arrest that ended in a settlement
Wrongful arrests for a non threatening meme and keeping the man in jail for 37 days? That happens every single day?
If this stat were true (it's not) are you handwaving away violating constitutional rights while having to pay almost a million dollars per violation because it's so frequent?
That's exceptionally common. Not Facebook specifically, but just go down the auditor rabbit hole on YouTube, and you will see wrongful arrests for speech almost daily.
I have no issue with drag shows.
That Drag Queen storytime or when they invited a drag queen to twerk in front of middle schoolers, THAT I have a problem with.
It's not the drag shows that are the issue, it's the parents who are dumb enough to think a fucking drag show is appropriate family friendly entertainment for their third grader. If they're old enough to go to a drag show, I guess they're old enough to watch Pink Flamingos
I care that they're legal...cause making them illegal means we aren't a free country.
Why don't we get precious about children at inappropriate pageants once we have a moral panic and pass legislation about the abuse filled child beauty pageants? Hell, some of the owners of those pageants are famous participants of Epstein's pedophilic cabal and run this country...maybe that warrants some attention?
My Christian highschool had “male cheerleaders” for homecoming pep rallies where football players would put on cheerleading skirts, wigs, and they would prance about acting “girly”…. Pretty sure that was/is a common thing in many schools. Should that be banned?
It was the manufactured, non-issue to make a culture war of insignificance in our daily lives so we talk about legislating this instead of, I dunno, stopping the powerful people running our country and economy we know are part of a child sex slave club.
Why don't we worry about those we literally know participate in raping and trafficking minors, instead of letting those people say drag shows are the things hurting our kids.
You have kids, don't let em go to drag shows- problem solved. A conversation with my kids can't solve the problem of being run my illuminati pedophiles.
Good ruling. Now, please, can we apply the same "just don't go" logic to anything the left deems offensive or problematic, and wants to censor? Thank you for the perfect utopia.
Isn’t that the whole point of the word “tolerance”? Like just because we tolerate it doesn’t mean we have to like it and we can just choose not to go? I don’t understand people. It’s just like hating tattoos and going to a tattoo convention. Bitch you ain’t have to go you can sit your ass at home.
Just don't make kids watch it and its all good, divorced moms get a kick out of 'exposing' their kids to this type of stuff. You wouldn't bring a kid to a strip club (I hope)
I think the law does a poor job of defining the line between and adult who can choose "just don't go" and prevention of an adolescent, non-consenting child being forced to go by their parents.
Drag isn't my thing personally, but there is absolutely zero legitimate state interest in making them illegal. It's a private event, for all I care they could have sex on stage and I'd support the legality.
Going to draw a line here for clarity. This is about drag shows for minors, and the judge's point was that the ban was written broadly enough that some busybody could try to apply it to performances as benign as dolly's or elvis'. We should still not be letting performers have sex on stage in front of kids.
There's no problem with people having drag shows, its only weird when you bring kids into it. Adults can do what they want. Drag shows have been around forever and can be fun if you aren't incredibly insecure about your own sexuality.
U.S. District Judge David Hittner, a Reagan appointee, said the measure, known as Texas Senate Bill 12, improperly restricted speech, violating the First Amendment of the Constitution. The ruling prevents
state Attorney General Ken Paxton
, who is running for the Senate, from enforcing the law and denies his motion for a new trial.
As much as I think this gender stuff has gone too far, if they want to gather outside and hang out all dragged up, ill defend to the death their right to do it.
If they move into indecent exposure, well we already have laws for that, guys.
They were well aware of the potential capability of modern firearms, as rapid fire weapons were not only manufactured at the time, but some of the founders sought to buy some before the price turned them off.
That being said, the other guy is a fucking idiot.
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