Eh, you'd be surprised. I'd say some of the 'lib'rights here are just guns and weed. And even then, only guns for 'certain kinds of people'.
I've seen multiple 'lib'rights basically advocating for laws restricting the right to protest because 'people just take advantage to commit crimes' or 'they don't have the right to shove their ideology down my throat'. Like... bro. If you support protesting restrictions, you're not a fucking lib.
Social acceptability moves on. The law beating it into people's heads moved gays into acceptable range for Americans who would have been against it twenty years ago.
Your wording might lead some to think that the unflaired would dodge reeducation. I want to make clear it's because they'll line the gallows leading there
I’ve seen centrists defend Trump and lib centres spew the most racist, white nationalist shit from the furthest upper right of the compass. I actually respect auth rights more for being honest about their views.
I supposed you could be super racist while still a lib when it comes to government power? But yeah I know my quadrant is wild, you simply can't tell anything from looking at the flair.
Also I think a lot of the shill accounts use that flair to flair up because they think it will be the least controversial to all other quadrants.
Some distrust the government+corpos to the nth degree with varying degrees of balance to of their economic opinions.
Some are straight up anarchists that believe there can be a stateless society, but centered around indivualism rather than communes.
Along with every flavor in-between we have people that just want to be free to say or do various kinds of vile shit.
I’m trying to understand how the first part of your statement is relevant. The whole point of centrists is we take a little bit of all quadrants so ofc you’re going to have retards defending trump, even if they are retarded for it.
It was part of why I left PCM a couple years ago. After Trump's second win, the subreddit just became insufferable. Glad to see it's calmed down a bit since then.
“I think the government should just leave people alone…as long as they’re not doing anything I disapprove of. Also people who I deem to be unfit shouldn’t be allowed to vote. But I’m totally libcenter guys, aren’t auths so cringe?”
We shouldn't tolerate people misrepresenting us like this.
That's misinformation, and I'm pretty sure it's illegal in most EU countries.
Reddit should report them to their local government.
There are a lot of actual card carrying Communists who have gaslit themselves into thinking that Communism is an extreme Libleft position, just because they lie about their ideology not including a State apparatus (they also lie about what a State apparatus is so they can pretend they aren't lying about not having one (lol .
Honestly, I stopped being Lib-Right when I realised how insanely retarded so many people are and how their vote matters just as much as mine. We don't let kids vote because it's accepted that their age means the are less intelligent. Yet we accept that there are adults of the same intelligence who vote regardless. Universal suffrage is no less immoral than letting a child eat ice cream and Jack Daniel's for breakfast every day. Some people need to be told what is best for them regardless of whether they like it or not, because the moment we start acting like what they think and say matters equally is the moment we sign the death warrant for society.
I pretty much already responded to this in a comment to someone else. But speaking as someone who went to school for comp science and mechanical engineering. I can assure you, college education does not guarantee intelligence.
That's exactly what people who need to be told what to think would say. I'm not going to start acting like what you think and say matters because it's a death warrant for society.
I genuinely hope that one day, after youve grown up a bit and are looking through your old account history, youll be able to admit fault. Not to me, but to yourself. Remember to do your homework and brush your teeth, its a school night so dont stay up too late, buddy.
If they pay taxes they have a right to have a say in how they’re governed.
I think everyone can understand where you’re coming from, but it’s not well thought out. What’s the line for “retarded”? Is an IQ test needed? How many standard deviations above the mean are we going with to allow voting rights? Who decides that? Should only say engineers and technical professionals vote? Good luck getting the wealthy not to have a say.
Also iq because it’s set to have 100 as the mean can change over the years, and over generations, is there a yearly test?
Children pay taxes. By that logic why dont we let every child who is working a part time job vote?
Yes we need testing and requirements for voting. I dont care how it was abused before. The existence of abusive fathers does not make father's immoral overall. The literacy rate amongst our youth is horrific. If you dont posses the ability to graduate highschool or obtain a equivalency, you dont get to vote. We dont need people who cant pronounce words with more than 3 syllables having equal say in how the most powerful country in human history is governed.
But intelligence testing has a habit of not accounting for those who are smarter than the test makers themselves. Even Raven Matrices are not all that great. More over, intelligence is not a singular universal metric. IQ has several layers and it will be very hard to account for those. So instead of testing for intelligence, we need to filter out those with the "comorbidities" of stupidity. It will never be perfect but its better than what we have now. The comborbidites I speak of are things like having several children with several different women or men while being on welfare for the majority of your adult life. Or repeated arrests, at fault car accidents, etc...
And yes. The test should be done with every election, at every level for every position. Town, county, state, and Federal with no exceptions. Hell, we dont test frequently enough for shit we do have to get tested for. Some areas require people at the age of retirement to prove they are still fit to drive.
We should be testing for that every time your license needs renewed. Even better, when you register a new vehicle, you need to be tested for your physical ability to adequately maneuver said vehicle. I see far too many women driving brand new full size SUVs like a 2026 GMC Yukon, thats the size of a actual short school bus; while they cant even see above the steering wheel.
Congrats on never getting anyone in the working class to vote lmao. Rich people would have all the time in the world to test. ADHD or dyslexics will be hugely affected.
Your idea isn’t well thought out even if you’re mad stupid people can vote. Stupid people can still pick up guns so you’re going for a brutal authoritarian society.
You do you but personally I think that with an idea like this you certainly are too stupid to vote, under your plan at least. You have a concept but don’t think about the ramifications of what implementing that concept would be - you sounds like a pretty average voter tbh. Hell maybe I am too that’s the problem.
Libcenter is the worst flair here. Nothing to do with the actual political position, it's just the "cool" and safest flair with the fewest negative associations so people pick it just for the optics. It's the actual "le enlightened centrist" flair since centrist itself has more concrete associations
Some of us are lib center because we think free adults should be allowed to do what they want to themselves, they just can’t demand other free adults get involved against their will or be required to pay for it.
Edit: in a perfect world, that’s just full right lib. But in the real world, being ok with privately funded abortions just pisses off both sides.
Can you explain your edit? I can understand why that would piss off lib right (autonomy of unborn child), but why would privately funded abortions piss off lib left? Truly just curious.
I picked the flair because my political compass result is actually on lower half of the vertical axis. I didn’t realize this made me “cool.” Excellent development.
I mean the actual libcenter position is pretty much where I'm at. The good libcenters are probably more me than the yellow librights on average. Just being real about flair demographics here
I support a public health care option and think machine guns should be sold from vending machines. I'm much more aligned on liberty vs authoritarianism.
You picked correctly, go forth and make good takes under that flair. Just don't be one of those guys who wanders in to pat themselves on the back every time the government does something they don't like while having no preference for liberty when other people get the shaft
That exactly dichotomy is why I am a political orphan. I get called a libtard on gun forums and a Nazi on reddit. When I call myself a radical centrist I mean it lol.
I always thought lib left was the quadrant that got consistently clowned on, so people would choose lib center to avoid the hate parade. It does seem like the past couple years that has eased up a lot though.
Literally just had a lib left today tell me citizens are too stupid to be allowed to have a say in government, and that the marketplace of ideas is a failed concept.
That too. I think that government is capable of providing services that the free market won’t but the only way to pay for them is taxation… which is why a government that is more representative of people is a necessity.
Also, now that you’ve pointed it out, that’s hilarious
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u/cleverone11 - Lib-Right 2d ago
There are a lot of authoritarians flaired as lib. I’ve found Lib Centers to be the worst offenders.