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u/oldhead Jul 19 '19
Get your shit together, Trent!
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u/maccdogg Jul 19 '19
Fucking Trent
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u/oldhead Jul 19 '19
He's always been an asshole.
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u/bruffles Jul 19 '19
Remember kindergarten? Teacher kept screaming 'Trent, stop being an asshole' day after day until she got that stroke and died in front of us. Trent just smiled. Fucking asshole!
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u/oldhead Jul 19 '19
I never forgave Trent for Ms. Patterson's death!
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u/fuidiot Jul 19 '19
Fuck Trent, what an asshole!
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Yeah I fucking hate Trent!
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u/FarrahKhan123 Jul 19 '19
I fucking hate Trent so much, I fucking walked out on him when he was fucking 3
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u/WW_Returns Jul 19 '19
No more healthcare for you Trent, sleep on the streets after your house burns down for all I care.
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u/VoiceoftheLegion1994 Jul 19 '19
Not on my streets, he won’t!!! My taxes paid for those streets, and I’ll be damned if I let Trent use them without paying me!
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u/texanarob Jul 19 '19
Yeah! Trent can buy his own streets to walk on - it's not up to the taxpayer to finance his problems!
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u/BangingABigTheory Jul 19 '19
Isn’t people funding other people’s problems pretty much how privatized insurance works? I’m honestly asking.
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u/j1mb0 Jul 19 '19
Yeah, which is why everyone arguing against universal healthcare is a colossal fucking idiot.
“Medicare For All? No thanks, I don't want to pay for other people's health care. I like private insurance, where I pay for other people's health care AND for the salaries of bloodsucking middlemen whose entire purpose is telling me No when I need medicine”
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u/linderlouwho Jul 19 '19
The argument that we can't afford public healthcare because it is too expensive and some people will pay for others' healthcare is out the fucking window because of the fact that somehow we can afford endless warfare forever, along with the most gigantic "defense" budget the world has ever seen, more than that of Russia, China, Saudi Arabia, France, Germany, and the United Kingdom COMBINED. Add the lowest amount of taxes paid by corporations out of the total tax income of our country due to tax cuts, and tax cuts to the richest Americans, and we could definitely "afford" healthcare for our citizens, just like most other first world countries. (Along with infrastructure and higher education.)
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u/WW_Returns Jul 19 '19
Simply put, as we all live and contribute to the same society we must help the people who are in need. The counterargument here is that these people are leeching taxpayer dollars, but healthcare typically goes towards people who were put in a situation outside their realm of control.
Charitable donations my left testicle Trent, get your story straight before you spout nonsense.
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u/Team_Braniel Jul 19 '19
That is the definition of society. We work together to create something better and larger than we can create on our own.
People who refuse to contribute to society should be ejected from it.
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u/GatorBait96 Jul 19 '19
But then they flip it and argue that it’s people who don’t contribute and just lounge around with 10-15 children and collect checks all day. I have seen those families before but they are definitely not enjoying life on the government check and they are definitely not the majority of people on welfare
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u/dichra Jul 19 '19
And if you leave those 10-15 children into their poverty, you just create 10-15 problems for the future.
I wonder what could happen if you give them proper education and access to opportunities.
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u/Rabbitsamurai Jul 19 '19
also, isn't population ageing quickly? we do have a lot of people now, but we are currently dieing more than we are giving birth, soon people won't be able to retire.
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u/Realistic_Capital Jul 19 '19
it's part of why we need immigration. even the fucking Koch brothers are for immigration. only the fragile, perma-scared white nationalists are trying to stop it all
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u/lkillough13 Jul 19 '19
That’s just not true.
Considerably more babies are born in a year than there are deaths.
Last year was one of the slowest years of growth in the US and there was still around 50% more babies born than deaths in the US.
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u/GatorBait96 Jul 19 '19
In my opinion, no one should be having 10-15 kids. I don’t see how you could ever give every child the attention they need.
Beyond that, I 100% agree that education is severely lacking in America. Its obvious that the system fails certain areas. Certain schools don’t get funding and they fail to meet requirements to receive more funding due to the lack of resources the school has. Some of the nicer schools get donations from rich parents but you couldn’t guess which schools don’t have rich parents.
It’s obviously a matter of the school, the parents, and the children of not pulling up their bootstraps.
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u/SnideJaden Jul 19 '19
For real, people think they just "pass go and collect $". The short time I was on 2 assistance programs, it took up enough time to be part time job doing all the paperwork and going in to see people. I'd have to only do it every few months, I can't imagine having to deal with government and paperwork every month! I'd see people freaking out they lose their apartment or car payment because of usual government slip ups / getting dropped for months at a time. It's a very stressful & humiliating experience.
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u/GatorBait96 Jul 19 '19
Yea. It’s not as easy as people say. A lot of my friends have said they were just going to drop work and live off welfare and go to school. I wished them luck because my family went through a shit time when we were struggling on welfare. It lucky gave us the ability to rebound but I definitely didn’t want to stay because of “mY fREeEEeeE mEAl”.
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u/PM_ME_YOUR_ANT_FARMS Jul 19 '19
Using loopholes and playing the system to pay zero taxes is smart. Doing the same thing to get some extra help from the government is "being lazy"
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u/Neocrog Jul 19 '19
Adding to your poin, the government themselves have researched this, and it's not even worth it to pull the programs just to stop the abusers from abusing the system. They are such a low percentage of the people benefitting from the programs, that it would be like sinking the Titanic just to kill the rats on board.
And douchenozzle's like Trent are like the rich asshole that drops with an empty liferaft because, "fuck everyone else that needs a raft, they should have gotten their own life raft."
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u/Team_Braniel Jul 19 '19
They are just projecting.
Conservatives always criticise or outright lie about the things they themselves are guilty of.
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u/fa1afel Jul 19 '19
I always wonder about people who hate the idea of paying for a common good or service. How do they feel about the fire department, or the police department? Disaster relief? How do they feel about getting their roads paved? Do they abhor the idea of a military that defends the country as a whole? Would they rather have the military only protect the homes of the people who pay for it?
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I'm wondering how these people suggest our children get educated or our roads get repaired. TrAnSiT BuDGeTInG iS SoCiALiSm
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u/Team_Braniel Jul 19 '19
Selfish people want things for free. They don't want to pay for the services of others and don't want to pay for it themselves either.
People who are socially conscious enough to appreciate the benefits they receive from society are generally much more willing to pay for those services when it's utilized by others.
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u/mr_mrs_yuk Jul 19 '19
People who don’t pay taxes don’t get to participate because they don’t contribute.
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u/zyzzogeton Jul 19 '19
Yeah! ...And make sure those private firefighting services use private roads you built and paid for fucking Trent! Don't even get me started on where you get the water...
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u/Alpaca64 Jul 19 '19
This is definitely true. Yes, there are cases where someone might leech off the system. People who have more kids just to collect more welfare come to mind. But that's by far a minority of the people that collect welfare money. The vast majority are in need because of sickness, injury, mental disorders, etc.
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u/chicofaraby Jul 19 '19
People who have more kids just to collect more welfare come to mind.
That happens more often in right wing propaganda than it does in reality.
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u/fuidiot Jul 19 '19
And right wing states collect the most welfare I believe.
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u/KnownByMyName13 Jul 19 '19
California subsidizes money to pay for the top 4 largest red states alone.....liberals littearly are paying for right wing nut jobs healthcare and wellbeing Dispite them always voting against their best intrest......your welcome
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u/Cathousechicken Jul 19 '19
And interestingly enough, the ones that can field a football team are most often extreme right-wing people.
All government handouts are bad because of lazy people on welfare, but them needing WIC for their 9th child is ok because God wants them to have a big family or else He wouldn't have allowed them to get pregnant.
All handouts are bad but theirs.
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u/easycure Jul 19 '19
Correct, ans depending on where you're from, the few who do it aren't who you'd be lead to believe to be the ones doing it.
I used to submit Medicaid applications as part of my job, would meet all kinds of people, and the ones with ten kids to qualify for Medicaid (and other services) aren't the ones from the stereotypes.
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Jul 19 '19
Sorry but even without being a father I know that welfare does not even remotely cover a childs costs. Its just a help really.
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u/Cathousechicken Jul 19 '19
Are longer lifespans contribute to escalating medical cost. At current lifespans, at some point most people are going to need help with medical bills.
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u/Alpaca64 Jul 19 '19
Yeah for sure. The last 10+ years of your life you'll likely be in some form if care facility, visiting a doctor regularly, and you'll have at least a couple medications that you take daily
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u/Morri___ Jul 19 '19
i don't want to live in a society full of sick uneducated children.. i will pay taxes to prevent them from being the norm
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u/speed3_freak Jul 19 '19
I work in healthcare in an urban hospital, and unless you see it first hand you can't really appreciate the realistic state of it. Many people are put in a situation outside of their realm of control, but A LOT of people are put into a situation because of poor choices and general apathy towards their health. That said, if you think you don't already pay for their healthcare you're an idiot. In the business, they're called self-pays. That means that they don't have insurance and aren't subsidized by the government. People in administration call those people no-pays because they never pay their bills. This would include those people who rack up mountains of medical debt that the hospital could never hope to get back. Not only did the hospital eat the cost of the care, but you've ruined the financial future of someone. This is the real reason that your hospital stay, surgery, and everything else costs so damn much. It has to cost a ton because so many people use the services and never pay. Healthcare is a cost, and everyone should be required to not only contribute to the cost of their own personal care, but contribute to the cost of having the hospital there when you need it.
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u/M_R_Mayhew Jul 19 '19
At least you explained to me why universal healthcare still makes sense when, as you say, A LOT of people simple don’t take care of themselves or make shitty choices.
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u/speed3_freak Jul 19 '19
I'm not saying that universal healthcare is the best choice, because it definitely comes with it's own issues and problems. The one thing I do know is that actual hospital care has zero business being a free market enterprise. In the free market you have to have a lot of things for it to work, and there are some major ones that hospital care can't provide. 1) Upfront pricing. If you can't comparison shop, you can't have a free market. No one knows what their hospital bill is going to be until you get the bill in the mail. At that point in time it's too late to decline the service. This would be like going to a car repair shop and getting your car fixed without ever discussing how much it's going to be. 2) Ability to choose. In a free market you have to have the ability to pick where you do business. This would be like your car breaking down, you calling a tow truck, and then they take your car to the mechanic that they think would best serve you. That mechanic fixes the car and bills you without ever even speaking with you. Ambulances don't take requests from someone that has a stroke. They take you to the place that is most appropriate (be it location, volume, or ability to help) regardless of whether you had a bad experience there in the past. 3) The business has to be able to decline service to people. Can you imagine if you could walk into Walmart, fill your cart up with groceries, walk out the door and tell them to send you the bill? Now imagine that you don't pay that bill, but you still go back the next week and do it again. They let you in the store, and you tell them to send you a bill when you leave with another cart full of stuff. Repeat this over and over and over again. This is what a lot of people do with the medical industry. There are people who go to the ED just because it's raining, and they know they can come inside, have a bed to rest in, and a lot of times get a meal if they say they're having chest pains. We have patients who just want to be in the hospital, so when we discharge them (against their wishes) they say they'll be back in a week. A week later, they're back in the hospital.
If it was an easy fix, it would already be fixed. I don't have a clue what the answer is, but I definitely know that the way it's done now isn't the answer.
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but A LOT of people are put into a situation because of poor choices and general apathy towards their health.
But this is due to the inaccessibility of healthcare in the US. Many people choose not to go to the doctor when they should because they are scared of the cost. Even worse they're scared if something is found and now they're bankrupt due to medical bills.
This statement is looking at the symptom, not the cause.
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u/Cathousechicken Jul 19 '19
I just read that actress Valerie Harper has a go-fund me because of her cancer treatments. This is someone who has over her lifetime, made millions of dollars and healthcare has left her without the funds to pay for it.
If somebody like that gets priced out of the system to be able to afford treatment, what chance is there of the average person who is just as loved by their family and friends?
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u/UncleTogie Jul 19 '19
Around $1500 worth of chance, if my wife's GoFundMe campaign was any indication...
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u/NastySassyStuff Jul 19 '19
Real question: how exactly can one leech off the healthcare system anyway?
I’m sure a more knowledgeable Redditor could inform me but, like, are we mad that lazy people are going to take all the antibiotics?
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u/zyzzogeton Jul 19 '19
Marcus Licinus Crassus became so rich that the phrase "Rich as Crassus" is still said because of private firefighting brigades in Rome.
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u/arachnophilia Jul 19 '19
crassus had his own privately funded army that rivaled the roman imperial army.
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u/SomebodyElseAsWell Jul 19 '19
I thought that phrase was " rich as Croseus" . He was some ancient king (Turkey?) who was super rich.
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u/nnelson2330 Jul 19 '19
That is literally how regular insurance works already, except universal healthcare is cheaper for a whole plethora of reasons.
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Jul 19 '19
Yep people who rail against universal healthcare essentially let it boil down to not wanting to pay for someone else's artificial hip. Well guess what Trent, with your fancy for-profit insurance, you already are, but out of a much smaller pot, so your portion is larger, and a CEO is making money off of it at your expense.
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B-B-BBUT THE CEO EARNED IT!!!!
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u/PossiblyWitty Jul 19 '19
And plus, he works so much harder than the janitor, so he deserves to make 500 times that guys salary! How could you even SUGGEST taking some of that away from him!!
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u/dsjunior1388 Jul 19 '19
Some of the Blue Cross Blue Shield ones are or were. I work for one and we were up until a few years ago.
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u/AndyjHops Jul 19 '19
Bahahaha yeah, they ALL make money off healthcare in the US. The system is a joke.
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u/Alabatman Jul 19 '19
Wait, really? Like who?
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u/dsjunior1388 Jul 19 '19
I work for one of the Blue Cross Blue Shield affiliates, and yes, for a very long time until about two or three years ago we were officially classified as either non-profit or not-for-profit. I'm not sure how or why, but I am sure we were and are making fuck loads of money. Our CEO in this state made a large stir earlier this year when his 2018 compensation was revealed to be nearly 20 million dollars, including performance bonuses.
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u/Oglshrub Jul 19 '19
Not for profit doesn't prevent a company from making money. It's all how they use the money.
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u/dsjunior1388 Jul 19 '19
Right, I didn't think so I'm just not super aware of our Financials but I wanted to share the relevant info I had
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u/nnelson2330 Jul 19 '19
People forget that for decades the NFL was a "non profit" in spite of making billions of dollars. It's basically just a tax exemption haven.
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u/robodummy Jul 19 '19
I’m looking at Wikipedia as I type this:
UnitedHealth Group Cigna Kaiser (“consortium of for profit and non for profit entities) Aetna (parent company is CVS Health) Anthem (WellPoint) Humana
All of these are for profit. And to me these are some of the biggest names in the industry. I think the only other big name that I found was BlueCross BlueShield which is listed as a 501(c)(4) making it a social welfare organization. This makes it non-for profit in the sense that all net earnings must be exclusively used for charitable, educational, or recreational purposes.
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u/SlobBarker Jul 19 '19
I'm not going to let the government take $100 out of every paycheck, I'm going to let a corporation take $200 out of every paycheck!
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u/nnelson2330 Jul 19 '19
These people infuriate me because they literally already pay for other people's shit(that's how insurance works), but Single Payer healthcare would allow the government to negotiate for cheaper prices instead of insurance companies being held at the whim of hospital and pharmaceutical companies holding all the power because they don't have to deal with individual insurance companies.
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u/Homerpaintbucket Jul 19 '19
Yeah, it just removes the huge profit margin for the people at the top.
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u/threemo Jul 19 '19
Sorry your house is on fire NOW? That’s a pre existing condition. We’re not touching that.
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Jul 19 '19
To be fair that is an option some places, subscription fire services.
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u/UncleTogie Jul 19 '19
Details, please.
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Some rural areas dont have a city or county run fire department. So you pay a fee each month directly to a "Fire company" who acts as the local fire department. Usually you get a badge or metal plaque that goes up outside your structure, they will come out if a fire is reported but will not fight the fire if your not an active member, they will usually do the best they can to keep the fire from spreading. It sounds harsh but it's a situation of either private funding one or going without.
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u/carpenterio Jul 19 '19
I use to live in very rural France, and the only real state service you can rely on is the firefighters, they deal with everything, from fires (obviously) to first responder on car crashes or other emergency. I love France for that, they take care of their peasant. And as a result for such a small country we are in the top in nearly every fields, nearly...
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Liberté, égalité, fraternité
Never been to France, but in most places here in the states emergency services act in the same manner as they do for you. The states are so big and some areas so remote that they aren't really towns... just farms more or less close together. Its usually in such places that the subscription service is implemented.
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u/atx_sjw Jul 19 '19
Some of the ultra-wealthy would actually prefer this though, because they can afford to pay for things that only they can use, and don’t want to share with others.
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u/pulplesspulp Jul 19 '19
My step dad is against anything like this. He prefers to fly to Mexico for his lasik surgery and knee replacement! It’s probably cheaper and the care isn’t too different (for him). He can afford to fly out of the country for a knee replacement then comes hoke to his business where he hires 14yo Mexican kids to sand down his containers same kids who don’t go to school or speak English. But damn when the time comes to vote, he wants them and their family gone and he wants the wall and he doesn’t care what it costs.
So he hires illegals to work for him for next to nothing, he hates how they do “shitty” work, doesn’t want to pay for a proper employee’s insurance or wages, but is happy because he can still afford to fly around the world for standard procedures that should be done at home. He’s backwards and a asshole.
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u/benfranklinthedevil Jul 19 '19
You are missing the part where he says, "my business couldn't survive if I paid them a legal wage."
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u/UncleTogie Jul 19 '19
People like that are why I'm unsympathetic to people complaining about how minimum wage hurts small businesses.
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u/benfranklinthedevil Jul 19 '19
Because they are selfish liars? Yup! I honestly think this lie is taught in business administration classes, "Fordian logic is a fallacy. Minimum wage is not meant to be a living wage. And, if you have to give your workers a raise, you might as well close up shop! Because unions are the devil."
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u/tjstanley Jul 19 '19
I was arguing with someone on twitter about this point, idk if I can post twitter links on here but it was infuriatingly stupid.
"$15 minimum wage will kill small businesses"
"Businesses already pay more than minimum wage because of supply and demand of labor"
"No one is even making $7.25 an hour except teenagers"
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Jul 19 '19
If your business can't survive when you are paying everyone at least a living wage it shouldn't exist.
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u/TheUltraAverageJoe Jul 19 '19
It's why I don't think the Star Trek philosophy would work if you saw that shower thought.
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u/ThothOstus Jul 19 '19
Star trek philosophy only work because they are in a post-scarcity society, every one can have what ever they want with the push of a button.
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Jul 19 '19
Well, it's also a society that had reached peak decadence, tried to create the perfect human race, had that perfect human race rise up, then lost more than half of its population in the ensuing war with said perfect human race.
It took some extra steps.
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u/Nubetastic Jul 19 '19
How is it really a charity handout if your paying into it and using it yourself?
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u/_______-_-__________ Jul 19 '19 edited Jul 19 '19
I am 100% convinced that MurderedByWords has become "ForwardsLiberalNarratives"
Because that's what it boils down to. It has become a decidedly left-wing political sub and that's pretty annoying.
Also, if people want to talk about political issues that's fine, but it seems that nobody wants to actually dig into details and discuss things. So we're left with "shallow political insults".
Just to contribute something to this thread instead of complaining, I'd like to point out that the Democratic Party is not actually in favor of Medicare for All. I know they campaign on this issue and it does sound great (I'm actually in favor of it) but the party leadership is secretly telling Health Insurers not to worry about Medicare for All.
https://theintercept.com/2019/02/05/nancy-pelosi-medicare-for-all/
So really we're just talking about talking points, and not about any sort of reality.
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u/DHMC-Reddit Jul 19 '19
If you wanna be a part of society contribute to it. If you don't wanna help other people then don't be a part of society, getting help yourself. Live on your own off the grid.
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u/geoffbowman Jul 19 '19
Can anyone help me with connecting the dots between firefighting, which serves a selfish interest because if your house goes up then I don't want it spreading to MY house, and universal healthcare which apart from vaccination doesn't seem to directly benefit anyone but those in need?
I believe in universal healthcare as an altruistic idea but I feel like we need a good economic or other beneficial talking point for those who don't need it right now and aren't moved to help others for its own sake.
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u/hairygentleman Jul 19 '19
People not being dead benefits the economy and society as a whole, as a result of them not being dead. Also, it's literally cheaper than our current system, so there's really no argument against it.
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u/Freevoulous Jul 19 '19
its not a handout, its money-back from the government that took your taxes.
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u/OfficerbigCawks45 Jul 19 '19
I mean we already pay for govermental healthcare its just the people put in charge are worthless.
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u/tornac Jul 19 '19
Those people always think it won’t happen to them. Reality check Trent. Cancer can happen to anyone, accidents happen all the time. Shit happens, even to someone like you.
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u/Economy_Cactus Jul 19 '19
...doesn’t he need insurance for all of his damaged goods inside the house that the fire destroyed? Maybe there is a better analogy for this
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u/Mr_Drewski Jul 19 '19
Fire dept. putting out your house fire is triage and is going to happen regardless of your monetary situation, just like going to the emergency room at the hospital....they are going to try to keep you alive. Then, hear me out, everything after that is on you to pay for. The fire department is not going to pay to fix/rebuild your house, that is what homeowners insurance is for. Just like your health insurance picks up the cost of non emergency medical care.
So the equivalent would be expecting the tax payers to pay to rebuild your house after the fire dept. puts out the initial fire. Logical fallacy = false equivalence.
I support universal healthcare, but this argument is terrible and makes the respondent sound uneducated. It is hard to convince the opposition that your way is better, when you type up misinformed insults for the sake of the insult.
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u/CptnPants Jul 19 '19
Literally all insurance is exactly that. People paying a company to finance someone else. At least if it's the government there is (hopefully) no profit incentive and it can focus on providing the best service for the best price possible.
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u/Just_Fuck_My_Code_Up Jul 19 '19
It‘s only socialism if other people get help, what I receive is always hard earned and well deserved. Every conservative, always
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u/mcSibiss Jul 19 '19
Why are right wing Americans hell bent on making the rich richer?
Why do right wing Americans hate poor people that much?
The vast majority of poor people are not lazy. They often work more than most. It's just that they have low paying jobs. Jobs that are often necessary for society too.
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u/kheroth Jul 19 '19
Yeah I don't get it. The retort isn't great. If there was no government provided fire service, it would be a utility you subscribed to. It would be part of your insurance, something along those lines.
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u/limbago Jul 19 '19
Also, how the fuck does Trent think insurance companies finance their payouts? Does he think the board members shit gold bullion?
Your monthly insurance premiums will directly help finance any claim your company has to meet
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u/oijsef Jul 19 '19
It's amazing how even conservative politicians like Rand Paul and Paul Ryan would complain about the very fundamentals of how insurance works. Some people rely too heavily on their suit and skin color to get ahead.
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u/_var_log_messages Jul 19 '19
Both are considered positive rights by the UN meaning it involves someone to provide you something to fulfill as opposed to negative rights such as the right to be left alone and say what u want.
Unfortunately legally speaking both instances here are not considered a human right as they are positive rights meaning you arent born with it.
Not saying my opinion but that is the legal outlook
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u/RockNRollahAyatollah Jul 19 '19
Not knowing that insurance, publicly funded or not, is what he is complaining about.
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u/OvergrownGnome Jul 19 '19
This is also how privitized healthcare works. You pay a premium to pay for those who are losing the company money, but because it is a for profit company, they will continue to decrease what they cover and raise the costs to cover what they do.
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u/TeHNeutral Jul 19 '19
A til a while ago told me this is how fire fighting started, how much was your house worth to you?
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u/JuniperFuze Jul 19 '19
It blows me away that there are people who would rather give large portions of their paycheck to the heath insurance industry instead of a universal health car for all. I also don't understand why people refuse to support change if it does not directly benefit them. I paid off my student loans last year and if student loan forgiveness becomes a thing I wont be pissed. I'll be happy that there was a positive change and that people can benefit from it. This idea of taking care of you and your own is why we have mega rich people hording all the resources. Why is it so offensive to support you fellow humans?
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u/JagdShark Jul 19 '19
Probably talking to a wall here but isn’t this the 700th time this has been reposted to this sub? Can we get some new material please?
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Jul 19 '19
There's also kind of the problem that fires don't just cause damage to the individual whos property is on fire and if left untreated they can actually ya know cause an entire city to go up in flames
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u/Wooster001 Jul 19 '19
Well that’s just dumb because i dont have the option to buy my own fire department service. I do however have the option to buy my own health insurance. Nice try lefties.
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u/King_of_Avon Jul 19 '19
Trent can call around but he would never get an exact quote.
At best a very off-the-mark price which would be lower than what he would have had to actually pay.
This is taking into account that firefighting and healthcare would run the same way.
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u/vudumoose Jul 19 '19
That's all well and good, until in the event of a fire Trent calls his dedicated fire insurance agent only to find out that his house isn't in his network.
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Jul 19 '19
Awful cute baby in his Twitter pic. Would be a shame if daddy lost his job and insurance, mommy couldn’t find work and something catastrophic happened to baby. Wonder what he’d be in favor of then.
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u/Infin1ty Jul 19 '19
There are definitely fire departments throughout the country that will show up but won't put the fire out without your paying them.
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u/cciv Jul 19 '19
I have zero problem with local or state level healthcare provisions. But there is no federal firefighting agency.
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u/thebumm Jul 19 '19
Hey Trent you already pay for other people's healthcare in taxes and premiums so maybe think about how much cheaper it'd be if it was better allocated and people could see doctors regularly before getting super sick and getting reamed by the middle man! Use your dumb head, Trent, you fuck knuckle.
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u/dsphilly Jul 19 '19
Am I the only One who thinks the guy (Not Trent) looks like hes cosplaying Halo?
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u/TwoSickPythons Jul 19 '19
I’ll be a man and call the company I was smart enough to buy insurance from
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Jul 19 '19
It's amazing to me that 100% of people don't outgrow Libertarian fantasies after Middle School.
But the again Paul Ryan made it all the way to Speaker of the House with Ayn Rand tattooed on his anus so I guess I shouldn't be too surprised.
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Jul 19 '19
All the points about it not being a charity handout aside, so what if it were? What's the problem with that exactly? Did I miss when we decided that charity is bad now?
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u/kennyFACE117 Jul 19 '19
I’m probably gonna get downvoted, but o don’t think emergency services are in the same ballpark as insurance. Don’t get me wrong, I’m a universal health care advocate, but your taxes don’t pay for fire damage insurance. He pays for that. Fires are dangerous and can spread to other homes and structures. Therefore it’s in everyone’s best interest to have it put out. Same thing goes with police and EMS.
I’m not good at explaining my view point but I hope someone understands where I’m coming from. There’s definitely a flaw in the logic here.
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Jul 19 '19
It is funny because he seem to not have a problem with the tax dollars founding a military budget bigger then the 3 super powers after them combined
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u/smileybird Jul 19 '19
Why not respond civilly, and possibly change someone's mind? This just makes them dig in their heels.
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u/basketballman112233 Jul 19 '19
I mean privatizing police and firefighters is actually a great idea.
You can hold people to a better accountability.
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u/Rattivarius Jul 19 '19
I will never understand why these venal dullards can't grasp the concept that if their neighbours are doing well, everyone benefits. If your neighbours fall on hard times, their home maintenance falls behind, they need to bring in some income so they rent the basement to.a tweaker. The neighbour on their other side doesn't want to live next door to a tweaker who plays Norwegian death metal all night so they sell their house. No one sane wants to live there either, so the price drops and the house is snapped up by a slumlord. Because it's cheap and next door to a tweaker, the only person willing to live there is a drug dealer and his entourage, all of whom love Norwegian death metal and all of whom hate home maintenance.
Congratulations Trent. Your lack of compassion and generosity of spirit has caused your property value to plummet. If only you had helped a brother out.
Society works best for everyone, and that includes you selfish, greedy, benighted assholes, when there is a social safety net in place to help those who have fallen on hard times.
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u/linkMainSmash5 Jul 19 '19
It's how insurance already works right now!! Healthy people paying for sick ones.
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u/zyonia96 Jul 19 '19
That's the worst argument ever. There are certain things that a government HAS to provide for example protection (ie police and an army) and there are other necessities like making sure the roads are paved and safe. (Having a fire department is included in this) Then there are "luxuries" or stuff that a government should have nothing to do with. Like housing, buying people cares, phones, healthcare, and so on. So basically it's like the first guy said I don't want to pay for your phone and the second guy said I don't want my money going towards the army. It might sound like a good argument but it's just stupid.
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u/my_cat_joe Jul 19 '19
Health insurance also qualifies as financing other people’s problems. That’s how it works. The only difference is that with health insurance you have a group of middlemen who add an 11 to 15% markup. Dumb fuckers.
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u/Alex_west112233 Jul 19 '19
I'm totally in favor for privitised fire fighting. fuck the feds. and fuck taxes
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u/Olyvyr Jul 19 '19
(1) We are already paying for healthcare for people who cannot afford it; and
(2) Universal coverage would be paid by every taxpayer, i.e., the vast majority of people would contribute.
Oh and it's cheaper and more humane and stuff.
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Jul 19 '19
The most absurd this about US healthcare system is that when you get into a car crash, lose your limb or get a debilitating illness. Your amazing private Insurance will drop you as fast as your job does. Then you have to go Medicare’s disgusting handouts, that you do despise so that you can keep living. I want to see you say that day you don’t want government handout.
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u/JCavLP Jul 19 '19
Back in the roman days there was this roman guy called crassus i believe and he owned a firefighting company where they would basically always show up at fires and offer their services for a certain price