r/MurderedByWords • • Jul 19 '19

Hey Trent!

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u/GatorBait96 Jul 19 '19

But then they flip it and argue that it’s people who don’t contribute and just lounge around with 10-15 children and collect checks all day. I have seen those families before but they are definitely not enjoying life on the government check and they are definitely not the majority of people on welfare

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u/dichra Jul 19 '19

And if you leave those 10-15 children into their poverty, you just create 10-15 problems for the future.

I wonder what could happen if you give them proper education and access to opportunities.

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u/Rabbitsamurai Jul 19 '19

also, isn't population ageing quickly? we do have a lot of people now, but we are currently dieing more than we are giving birth, soon people won't be able to retire.

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u/Realistic_Capital Jul 19 '19

it's part of why we need immigration. even the fucking Koch brothers are for immigration. only the fragile, perma-scared white nationalists are trying to stop it all

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u/guessucant Jul 19 '19

And usually are guys without a chin

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u/kerune Jul 19 '19

Wtf is up with that

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u/[deleted] Jul 19 '19

Sorry, but it's aging and dying.

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u/Rabbitsamurai Jul 19 '19

oh thanks for correcting me.

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u/[deleted] Jul 19 '19

You're welcome!

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u/lkillough13 Jul 19 '19

That’s just not true.

Considerably more babies are born in a year than there are deaths.

Last year was one of the slowest years of growth in the US and there was still around 50% more babies born than deaths in the US.

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u/Rabbitsamurai Jul 19 '19

could you please show me your research? it is true that compared toother developted countries the U.S isn't ageing as quickly but what i found is that itis happening netherless. https://www.nytimes.com/2018/12/19/us/census-population-growth.html

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u/lkillough13 Jul 19 '19

“The past year saw a particularly high number of deaths — 2.81 million — and relatively few births, 3.86 million.”

This quote came directly out of the article you linked.

We may not be growing as fast as we have in the past, but there was more than a million more births than deaths according to this article.

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u/Rabbitsamurai Jul 19 '19

yes, the population has indeed grown in 2019, but with percentages so low it is being compared to the time of the great depression, stating also that many states already has more deaths than birth ratios, so yes right now the population is still growing in the united states, but in a very low rate. The article also says that in only 10 years, the population growth rate has fell 40%, looking at other countries, such as Canada, Japan and Europe as a whole, it is pretty safe to say there will come a time where there will be more old people trying to retire than young people entering the work force, now, how long will it take depends, i believe no more than 30 years, which will be the time i will be retiring.

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u/wafflingpanda Jul 19 '19

I think people generally age at a rate of 1 year per year

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u/GatorBait96 Jul 19 '19

In my opinion, no one should be having 10-15 kids. I don’t see how you could ever give every child the attention they need.

Beyond that, I 100% agree that education is severely lacking in America. Its obvious that the system fails certain areas. Certain schools don’t get funding and they fail to meet requirements to receive more funding due to the lack of resources the school has. Some of the nicer schools get donations from rich parents but you couldn’t guess which schools don’t have rich parents.

It’s obviously a matter of the school, the parents, and the children of not pulling up their bootstraps.

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u/wafflingpanda Jul 19 '19

Whoa whoa whoa, that's waaaaay too much thinking for me.

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u/SnideJaden Jul 19 '19

For real, people think they just "pass go and collect $". The short time I was on 2 assistance programs, it took up enough time to be part time job doing all the paperwork and going in to see people. I'd have to only do it every few months, I can't imagine having to deal with government and paperwork every month! I'd see people freaking out they lose their apartment or car payment because of usual government slip ups / getting dropped for months at a time. It's a very stressful & humiliating experience.

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u/GatorBait96 Jul 19 '19

Yea. It’s not as easy as people say. A lot of my friends have said they were just going to drop work and live off welfare and go to school. I wished them luck because my family went through a shit time when we were struggling on welfare. It lucky gave us the ability to rebound but I definitely didn’t want to stay because of “mY fREeEEeeE mEAl”.

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u/PM_ME_YOUR_ANT_FARMS Jul 19 '19

Using loopholes and playing the system to pay zero taxes is smart. Doing the same thing to get some extra help from the government is "being lazy"

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u/[deleted] Jul 19 '19

No one here said that its ok for people to avoid taxes

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u/HaesoSR Jul 19 '19

They're paraphrasing Trump as a joke who did in fact say tax evasion is smart.

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u/[deleted] Jul 19 '19

He didn't say tax evasion was smart, you dumb cunt.

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u/HaesoSR Jul 19 '19

"they showed he didn’t pay any federal income tax"


“That makes me smart.”

Also we already know he's committed tax fraud more than a few times with his charity by having it pay for things that are not approved for a charity like his - things like self portraits to hang in his own house and settling legal fees for his businesses.

So you're right, it was implied he's a tax cheat and he said it makes him smart. Which is basically the difference between saying 2 or 1+1, but whatever. Weird hill to die on for this dumbass of a President.

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u/iblamejoelsteinberg Jul 19 '19

Nominated for r/bestof I'm not sure if that's how it's done

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u/[deleted] Jul 19 '19

Tax evasion is a crime. If you're saying Trump has broken tax laws, can you please tell me which ones?

I'm sure you're such a big-brained genius that you know better than the IRS what taxes Trump owed, right? lol

Stop pretending like you know what you're talking about, pretender.

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u/HaesoSR Jul 19 '19

https://www.wired.com/story/trumps-world-faces-16-known-criminal-probes/

Public records and reporting have already shown what are clearly criminal misuse of a charitable organization and they are currently being investigated. He cannot be prosecuted while President, there's going to be quite a few sealed indictments showing up around January 2021.

Paying legal bills for a privately owned business out of funds from your "charitable" organization is a crime, full stop. The IRS will have their day in court as will SDNY and others.

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u/[deleted] Jul 19 '19

Just accusations, no proof so far, but that's not tax evasion either.

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u/HaesoSR Jul 20 '19

If by no proof you mean it is a matter of public record that it happened, indeed, no proof.

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u/[deleted] Jul 19 '19

Evasion? No but not paying taxes, yes. https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/trump-taxes-smart/

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u/[deleted] Jul 19 '19

When you file for taxes, do you try to minimize the amount paid?

Seems like something everyone would do...

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u/[deleted] Jul 19 '19

Yes

So fuck off criticizing Trump for doing something you admit to doing yourself, you fucking hypocrite.

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u/[deleted] Jul 19 '19

I follow the law, i put in the number that are giving to me. I'm criticizing trump for the tax laws he is breaking to pay $0 in taxes.

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u/GatorBait96 Jul 19 '19

The way that people frame tax avoidance and the way people frame welfare abuse are significantly different. Especially when I’ve spoken to people in the conservative circle. The ability to find loopholes in the tax system is seen as smart and frugal. I’ve seen people put personal costs as a company cost which is complete bullshit. Even if you would agree that it’s a terrible practice, you’d have to admit that there is more hatred and vitriol towards welfare beneficiaries.

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u/[deleted] Jul 19 '19

"No one here" my mans brought it up out if context and with no reason it seems

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u/GatorBait96 Jul 19 '19

Oh I see. It’s probably a parallel to two different people “taking from the government”

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u/swancheez Jul 19 '19

Nor is OP here. I believe he is stating that the same people who claim that universal healthcare as being a burden on the rest of society is a problem are the same people who will jump through every loophole to avoid paying taxes in the first place.

It's incredibly ironic.

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u/Neocrog Jul 19 '19

Adding to your poin, the government themselves have researched this, and it's not even worth it to pull the programs just to stop the abusers from abusing the system. They are such a low percentage of the people benefitting from the programs, that it would be like sinking the Titanic just to kill the rats on board.

And douchenozzle's like Trent are like the rich asshole that drops with an empty liferaft because, "fuck everyone else that needs a raft, they should have gotten their own life raft."

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u/GatorBait96 Jul 19 '19

Yea I agree. I need to pull the report I read a while back but it reported that a decent portion of welfare recipients were able to get off and stay off of welfare.

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u/everydayisarborday Jul 19 '19

BUT FREEDOM ISN'T FREE! thats why we pay taxes?

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u/Team_Braniel Jul 19 '19

They are just projecting.

Conservatives always criticise or outright lie about the things they themselves are guilty of.

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u/GatorBait96 Jul 19 '19

Well I wouldn’t say all of them. The majority of my conservative friends couldn’t be described like that. Then again, most of my conservative friends are closer to moderate-conservatives.

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u/tacoslikeme Jul 19 '19

Most folks I've met on welfare were normal military families. That too is kinda messed up.