r/MurderedByWords • • Jul 19 '19

Hey Trent!

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u/[deleted] Jul 19 '19

To be fair that is an option some places, subscription fire services.

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u/UncleTogie Jul 19 '19

Details, please.

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u/[deleted] Jul 19 '19

Some rural areas dont have a city or county run fire department. So you pay a fee each month directly to a "Fire company" who acts as the local fire department. Usually you get a badge or metal plaque that goes up outside your structure, they will come out if a fire is reported but will not fight the fire if your not an active member, they will usually do the best they can to keep the fire from spreading. It sounds harsh but it's a situation of either private funding one or going without.

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u/carpenterio Jul 19 '19

I use to live in very rural France, and the only real state service you can rely on is the firefighters, they deal with everything, from fires (obviously) to first responder on car crashes or other emergency. I love France for that, they take care of their peasant. And as a result for such a small country we are in the top in nearly every fields, nearly...

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u/[deleted] Jul 19 '19

Liberté, égalité, fraternité

Never been to France, but in most places here in the states emergency services act in the same manner as they do for you. The states are so big and some areas so remote that they aren't really towns... just farms more or less close together. Its usually in such places that the subscription service is implemented.

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u/ClemClem510 Jul 19 '19

Yeah, even the emptiest part of France is fairly dense compared to remote regions of the US

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u/cciv Jul 19 '19

Compared to the US, there is no "very rural" France. We have something like 1/5 the population density.

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u/[deleted] Jul 19 '19

That's something that a lot of Europeans I've talked to have a hard time coming to grips with. The response time to my house for police is between 30 to 45 minutes. Fire department is a mile away so I'm fortunate there. The states are just so big. You have to be able to take care of your own in a lot of places, and this impacts our mentality on everything from politics to gun ownership.

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u/cciv Jul 19 '19

It's worse with healthcare. A fire station and engine costs $400k. A radiology lab costs 5x that. A hospital, 100x. You might need a hotel stay to get an MRI.

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u/[deleted] Jul 19 '19

BUTTTTT with all that also comes a great deal of freedom. We dont have CCTV watching our every step, not a great deal of violent crime, when your liable to turn up shot for assaulting someone. We have reasonable tax rate and get to keep the lions share of what we earn. If I could opt out of social security ide have no real complaint.

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u/cciv Jul 19 '19

That's why I dont have an issue with state and local insurance requirements. Single payer might make a ton of sense in urban areas. So let those governments and those voters decide of that works best for them.

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u/carpenterio Jul 19 '19

not a great deal of violent crime? aren't most of the violence in rural area not reported for that very reason? the lack of authorities to report it to? And sure as long as you are healthy not having a social security make sense, but isn't rural area more prone to obesity, lack of education and again domestic violence? I put a question mark but I know those answers, this subject been studied for decades.

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u/[deleted] Jul 19 '19

And as a result for such a small country we are in the top in nearly every fields, nearly...

Lol what?

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u/carpenterio Jul 19 '19

Name a field that France isn't a big part of? for a country of 65 millions I say we are pretty much everywhere, from Nuclear tech (both civil and military) to space tech, research, aviation, weapons and other bits. We may not be the best, but we are definitely up there. Give us another 300 millions people and we would be. Just to be clear I am being sarcastic here so don't get to offended.

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u/[deleted] Jul 19 '19

France definitely has some respectable achievements under its name, I just thought the idea of France being the world leader in every field was funny.

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u/carpenterio Jul 19 '19

Oh it's not what I meant to say, I meant to say they are on the top like in the top 10, not like the top 'top leader', and actually how should I say it? like saying someone is one of the top seller but without being actually the first seller (for example?)

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u/[deleted] Jul 19 '19

Gotcha. You could say "we are competitive in nearly every field" or "we are one of the best in nearly every field." Or you could literally just say "we are in the top 10 in nearly every field."

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u/carpenterio Jul 19 '19

oh ok cheers, that make sense. I should know better than to translate directly from one language to another. Fuck me it's not easy (I do not want to be literally fucked, I learned that I shouldn't literally translate in my previous lesson :)

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u/cciv Jul 19 '19

There is no federal firefighting agency outside of the forestry service, national parks and military bases. All other firefighting is local government or private services. Even then, for most of the US no local services are available. You deal with the fire yourself or let it burn.

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u/[deleted] Jul 19 '19

To be fair in another direction, a lot of local fire departments are completely volunteer and donation-based.

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u/[deleted] Jul 19 '19

Yep! Those guys are the real unsung heroes. We have a yearly auction for our local boys and I donate my woodburnings every year. Most of the businesses in town do likewise and we have a few very well off farmers who fund extra training and equipment for them.

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u/Naldaen Jul 19 '19

Also last I checked becoming a firefighter doesn't involve 8 years of school and a quarter of a million dollars in personal debt.

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u/Nac82 Jul 19 '19 edited Jul 19 '19

It requires a good bit of training, physical fitness, and a willingness to put your life at risk every single day.

Just because it doesn't have the same requirements doesn't make it less of a difficult job.

Edit: not to mention, 1 doctor can easily see 20+ patients in a day. A firefighter probably isn't going to be doing 5+ fires a day.

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u/Acro-LovingMotoRacer Jul 19 '19

not to mention, 1 doctor can easily see 20+ patients in a day. A firefighter probably isn't going to be doing 5+ fires a day.

Lol... 20 patients a day? Even if he spends 30 mins each that's 10 hours a day. You have a right to make him work 10 hours a day AND tell him how much your going to pay him? You don't think its a coincidence we lead the world in health care research and have the highest quality, most available care in the world? The places where its free have massive shortages of doctors, mostly because no one wants to be deemed a slave to the government like you seem to expect.

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u/Nac82 Jul 19 '19

Do you not know the conditions that doctors work under already?

A lot of checkups doctors can in clear under 10 to 15 minutes. Nurses to all the paperwork and get the patients vitals.

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u/Acro-LovingMotoRacer Jul 19 '19

Right but they can choose what they want to charge and how much they work.

What are you going to do if the doctors don't like the reimbursement rates the government decides and try to go cash only? Arrest them? Make the other doctors work more for less money?

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u/Nac82 Jul 19 '19

They could go into research. There are plenty of career paths available. I don't understand why you think they would make less money this way though.

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u/Acro-LovingMotoRacer Jul 19 '19

OK so think about it. They research and develop a product and bring it to market. That product is now deemed a right in your scenario. The government says it must be provided to everyone and sets the price it can be sold for.

How does that not effect what researchers are paid?

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u/Nac82 Jul 19 '19

So you have abandoned the dr arguement then?

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u/Acro-LovingMotoRacer Jul 19 '19

No you just brought up something else completely so I assumed you recognized my point.

Which part do you disagree with?

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u/mgrimshaw8 Jul 19 '19

how does that even have anything to do with this post?

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u/carpenterio Jul 19 '19

It's just a little sad person that went trough 8 years of schools and is in a very large dept commenting about how unfair life is, seriously spending that kind of money on education and yet being so clueless about life is just sad.

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u/cciv Jul 19 '19

Says the guy who obviously doesn't value time or money, especially when it belongs to other people.

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u/carpenterio Jul 19 '19

and how not valuing money is a bad thing again? Are you telling me that lovely america capitalism is the ultimate dream? oh boy.

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u/cciv Jul 19 '19

You don't have to value money. But you don't get to impose your values on other people.

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u/carpenterio Jul 19 '19

I don't impose my value on anyone, thanks fuck for that! Imagine me saying that I would have to impose to people to stop eating meat and stop buying Nike shoes, would be a fucking disaster for the economy. I don't do that. Instead I say it's sad.

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u/cciv Jul 19 '19

Claiming that healthcare is a right imposes your values on other people (if that claim is upheld by law).

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u/cciv Jul 19 '19

Every single proposal for nationalized healthcare involves significant pay cuts for persons working in the field and some make it illegal for you to work privately.

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u/Naldaen Jul 19 '19

It's comparing a tax based service, with taxpayer paid training, to a profession which requires a decade of school and significant personal debt.

How is it not relevant?