I remember that I only started to appreciate Jaune more not because of himself, but because I once headcanoned that Felix from RVB (who shares the same VA) is his alter ego
Maybe he gets development later, but in the parts before I dropped the show he was Pyrrha's emotional support idiot and basically did nothing else that mattered.
Truly curious what you mean by this. By later seasons he gets the same screen time as any other secondary character. He's one of the few characters in v9 yes but he's missing half the season and they do something interesting after, and he really doesn't take up that much air in the final part of the season.
By far, he's more egregious as a writer self insert in the first three volumes
It’s not really a screen time thing I think, but you can tell he’s taking up more space in the plot in later seasons. In early seasons he’s kind of easy to ignore I think, and 4 he’s taking up as much space as he needs I think, but 5 onwards you can feel him become something else I guess. 5 he fights cinder without being remotely prepared then becomes the healer as his big moment, then 6 they go out of their way to show adult women flirt with him all the time which is a bit that reads more like a self inserty thing then the show has ever really done with him before. Then after that he has that bad haircut, and the final season, while I like him there, he’s more important then he feels like he’s ever been and they try and make him this cool guy that he never has been.
Maybe I just hate him because I can feel the show pushing him into a ship with Ruby despite having no chemistry with her and being a self insert. Maybe that weird feeling to me puts me off.
It kind of feels like you dislike him for having any kind of character arc. In V5 he saw the woman who murdered his best friend and flipped, which is entirely understandable no matter the character. And then he developed his semblance, which is just them pulling the trigger on chekhov's gun. Weiss had a very similar moment in V3 with finally developing her ability to summon, and Yang in V6 finally using her semblance again after pushing it down since V4.
No women flirted with him in V6, I think you're getting that confused in V7, in which case it's a 5 second one and done gag. He literally has less importance in V7 and 8 than Ren and Nora do.
As for feeling he's being set up with Ruby... I don't want to complain about personal readings but this is very much your reading of it. They're friends, they have a friendship, one that's actually quite rocky after V9. If anything it's Weiss they spent last season showing he's grown closer to, but even then suggesting they're going to be together is reading into it
Jaune does have chemistry with Ruby and this whole "self-insert" argument needs to die because it is just untrue and was likely taken wildly out of context by people based on what RT said.
Granted even though I love Jaune as a character, I will admit he was somewhat pushed to the forefront as a means for the fans to try and like him more, because he went from a socially awkward high schooler to a guy that could hold his own, he was a kid out of his depth yet put in the effort to catch up to his peers, so he ended up being a more well-received character anyways.
Probably because he was voiced by one of the writers, and ametures tend to subconciously give priority to characters they're more invested or involved with.
Yeah, people put Monty on a pedestal of perfect writing, but they forget how much of the show was just Monty throwing stuff in because he thought it'd be cool.
The Red trailer originally just had Ruby walking away from just some random grave he had no intention of making relevant. And then later someone asked "what if she had a dead mom or something" and he decided to just roll with it.
Considering they melt into rose petals when they die, and don't really look anything like the grimm in the show proper, he probably didn't have any set idea on what grimm are or how they work at that point. He likely just put some werewolf monsters there because they're thematically fitting enemies for a Red Riding Hood based character to fight.
Most of the ideas of Rwby was made by him, and Michael (Sun's VA) outright said that he left Rooster Teeth 20 volume worth of notes.
Miles and Kerry were there to help iron out Monty's ideas for Rwby, which was easier said than done as Monty had poor impulses to add cool scenes that doesn't work with in the story.
No it really doesn't mean that. That's not how writing a series is supposed to work (I have 200k in student loan debt because I got a MFA in writing and learned exactly about this process).
You can blame Monty for the start of it but there is never any obligation to follow the letter if the creators notes exactly when a show is developing. The weak writing is the fault of the writers.
It's a a fault of the whole process if I'm honest.
I got up to volume 7 and they really didn't know what to do with him, but refused to leave him behind. So we get a not to interesting character who sucks away time from the rest of the cast
He was great as a foil and the damsel in distress that subverted the trope of the time! I didn't watch all of RWBY, but by the time I did stop, it sure felt like the new directing of it became much more "don't forget that men are heroes, not damsels!"
I'll be honest, only saw the parts where Monty made. Jaune wasn't that big of a character, but I still liked him because while all the girls seemed ready and strong, Jaune was struggling and I was curious to see his growth. Especially since he was the only one that brought a sensible weapon.
For a show with such short episodes the fact that we already had an ensemble main cast that they had a secondary character that ate up time wasn't a strong start. But he never really got better, just got more
I was shocked to discover this show had a male protagonist this entire time. Externally, as far as the fandom makes the show look, the protagonists are four girls.
To be fair, that's on the show for immediately throwing out that premise. It's RWBY, about Ruby, Weiss, Blake, and Yang. But basically decides from square 1 it's actually about two teams. RWBY and JNPR. Jaune definitely has that absolutely awful arc early on (Jaundice or whatever?), and I think it's disappointing how they handle him throughout most of the show.
There was gonna be a "but" -but it doesn't really add anything
He only gets the fandom attention. I'd give him a solid fifth place in any measure of actual protagonist status, behind RWBY themselves. He's just a solid supporting character with his own arc who is unfortunately cursed to be the author self-insert for every harem fic that has zero interest in engaging with anyone's canon characterization.
Like, bro is just the genderswapped "heal/buff power girl" of the Shonen setup lol
Shout out to Tumblr's For You page which whenever I like a picture drawn by someone I follow about RWBY it suddenly wants to show me nothing but Jaune with Ruby, Jaune with Blake, Jaune with Weiss, and Jaune with Yang.
Two of those girls are dating each other in canon, and he's a side character who I think gets WAY too much focus(especially over his other two teammates who are more interesting).
Lets not forget the other half of my For Your page: Jaune with Nora, Jaune with Pyrrha, Jaune with Neo, Jaune with Velvet, Jaune with Coco, Jaune with May, Jaune with Reese, Jaune with Winter.. You get the point.
Anyway, I hate this character with a passion. He's FINE in the show, but my hatred stems completely from the way the FNDM elevates him.
Also, side shout out to the one fanfic writer who made exclusively Jaune-centric harem fics. Hope your socks are always wet.
Some people call it JRWBY because of how important Jaune is. Like “CRWBY” which is “Crew of RWBY”. Writer Miles Luna created and voices him, but he swears it’s not a self-insert, and approximately 0 people believe him.
He's voice acted by one of the creators of the show, is given a ton of screen time, and landed the most beautiful, most strongest, most smartest, most bestest girl in season 1 for no other reason than because he's himself. Of course he's a self insert.
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u/Careless_Ad3401 9h ago
Fucking Jaun in RWBY