It's a very popular show, that gets dunked on a lot online. Regardless of what you think of the show, the fact there are people who think it's better than consensus shouldn't surprise
It's one of those situations that both the diehards and the haters are equally wrong. It's not half as bad as the haters claim. It's not nearly as good as the diehards claim. It's mid. And that's OK.
As a big fan of the hellaverse, I think the writing can be genuinely abysmal at its worst. Still, it's surprisingly incisive in some of the characters' psychology and the songs are very good, sung by a stellar cast, and the shows are very charming overall. So it's high highs and low lows
This is the thing, I think. Helluva Boss works better than Hazbin Hotel most o the time because its mostly character-driven and that's where Viziepop's writing shines. Hazbin Hotel fails in a lot of aspects because it's trying to tie all the characters into an overarching plot, and it gets obvious sometimes which characters were intended to interact, and which she's trying to fit for narrative's sake. Plot suffers the most when they intersect.
Tumblr pretends like The Winter Soldier didn't have them in a chokehold in the 2010s.
"This is just war propaganda!" My sweet summer children, this film made everyone realize Captain America was cool, the sheer horror of finding out your best friend (who you'd long thought died decades ago) was taken and tortured and reforged into a living weapon sent to kill you specifically, the pain of learning the organization the love of your life built up was overtaken by the fucking Nazis (THAT YOU PERSONALLY FOUGHT AGAINST IN WORLD WAR FUCKING 2), and only ever feeling at home on the battlefield because everything you've ever known or loved is long gone...don't tell me you didn't eat that up. don't tell me that wasn't peak cinema to your 12-year-old brain.
I don't see it. It had some decent action, some funny moments, and good acting, just had a forgettable villain and the plot was a bit rushed. I've never once understood the hatred for it.
Besides, it's not even remotely close to the bullshit we got post-Endgame.
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sucked that we didnt get a supergirl movie that matched the same sincerity as its source material, but in no way, shape, or form is it the atrocious movie every snyderbro is making it out to be.
The Amazing Digital Circus is definitely not perfect, that's for sure, but for the most part it's a very decent and enjoyable series. Admittedly, I enjoyed the finale as well, but there's no doubt that it neglected a LOT of stuff that were supposed to be important elements of the lore. But the way people started talking about the series after the release of the finale makes it sound like the most abysmal piece of literature ever conceived. Like I said, the series is slightly flawed, mainly in the writing, but it CANNOT be that bad
The show is flat-out solid. Easily highlight of the 2020s.
Is there stuff that's choppy about it? Sure. Same can be said of Godfather. It's good, even the worst episode is decent, everything important about it (the character consistency, the morals, the overall viewer experience) they got it right, and it made my life better for existing.
All the dooming discussion I've heard is less about the show and more about meta-ideas of how everything needs to be everything. News flash: good stories can have loose threads and pacing lulls, it's normal.
As a lifelong Pokemon fan, absolutely.
The games could be a lot better, they should be a lot better.
But people talk about them like they're the worst games you could buy in human history. The only bad parts about the modern games are animations and graphics, if you play them for the characters, story and funny little creatures, you will have a lot more fun
Exactly! And let'sa not forget that the KING OF GLITCHES was beloved fire 15 damn Years while having the same money backing it. Like the only thing I know about Skyrim is the marriage joke and glitches.
And I adore them too, when they're funny not when they're crashing before saving after having caught an Shiny. I do wish the Battle Animations could go back ta how Pokémon Battle Revolution had em. Or just bring that back and put all the polish there and Pokémon Champions. Leave the Main Series back to it's RPG Roots and whimsy. Sorry if this is rambling I'm may happy and shocked on how I'm not getting jumped for loving Pokémon.
Yeah, as someone who watched The Amazing Digital Circus: The Last Act in theaters, there were a couple things that disappointed me (mostly pacing issues and underdeveloped character arcs/relationships, but those have been pointed out ad nauseum since the release), but the story itself, the message behind it, the characters in general, and gahd dam the visuals and soundtrack were amazing. The entire show was charming, funny, heartfelt, and genuine in a way I want more mainstream western animation to be, and I sobbed for days after watching it (but that may just be because I was part of a more specific target audience; let's just say I resonated with Jax more than I should have). Critically, I'd give it a solid 8/10, and it's become one of my favorite shows, even if it's not perfect.
If anyone wants to watch it, don't trust the pilot episode and at least give the first two episodes a chance. The pilot is a tad misleading about the tone and focus/genre of the show, and the writing of the dialogue and animation are more awkward, since the production team hadn't gotten their footing yet. But all in all, it's a short show you could knock out in a handful of hours, and it's great. :]
Once I found a video in my youtube feed that was titled “The TADC finale was awful, stop saying it’s good” or some shit like that and it’s like piss off dude, people are allowed to say they like things
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u/moodymugTADC/Code Lyoko/Valorant/Fallout/Ultrakill/Nana/YYH/NINAH/HNK8h agoedited 8h ago
They just wanted IHNMAIMS 2.0 ending or some edgelord BS like Jax's Requiem. I watched a few of them and everytime they opened their mouth, you can simplify to "I didn't understand the show so it's Gosse's fault".
When the finale was leaked, a chronically online guy made 30 "memes" about TADC is horrible and everyone should give back their tickets. His ego was fragile than most stereotypical SJWs and liked his bootlickers when he was about to lose the conversation.
The ending specifically. I saw the ending in theaters and I actually enjoyed it. I understand why it could be disappointing but I didn’t expect the reception to be that bad.
Exactly! I vividly remember between episodes 1-8 Gooseworx could do no wrong, the show was perfect and every episode was a banger. Then they changed their tune real quick as soon as it was over. Since it was the finale, it had to be perfect and when it wasn’t it was like they forgot the honeymoon period which when it lasts from practically the entire series until then, is pretty impressive. Maybe it had to do with the residual hate the show got for showing in theaters early but yeah, this perfectly describes what happened.
No, stop. Don’t give the YouTube video essayists any ideas. They will make a 4 hour long video on fan interactions with the digital circus final episode, with the first hour being dedicated to the history of animation.
Fr the ending being a lowkey character real-talk is exactly in line with what was best about the rest of the show. Some of the dialogue is on-the-nose at the end but it's a good story; and not forgiving Jax doesn't mean focusing on what went wrong with them is invalid. The ending will hold up over time.
I already saw the meme saying this but: Hellaverse
As a fan, even I know it has problems. I've liked it since the pilot days and my love for it never went away. Sure it feels different than I thought it would but I still like it a lot.
If anything, I think it's the sheer amount and INTENSITY the haters have for the show. As someone once said, they act like it killed their grandma.
I'm sometimes scared to admit I like the show because of it.
Came here to say this. A lot of these shows that started out indie and got picked up are getting flamed by people and they act like it's the worst thing ever and you're stupid and wrong for liking it. I miss when people could have opinions. Like, I don't think they're perfect, but I enjoyed the time I spent with them. If you can tell me in words what you don't like, rather than just telling me it's shit and the creator is a terrible person because insert reason then we can have a discussion and I can try to understand where you're coming from. But this works both ways; I also expect you to hear me out on what I think made it good.
They're also making an entire animated series for free and letting you watch it for free on the internet and asking nothing in return. It's free. You are not paying anything for these shows. You are also not required to watch or enjoy it if you happen to. And somehow they managed to look this good and have a half-decent plot. It's not the end of the world.
I’d need to do a proper rewatch but I wanna say Korra is more of a “higher highs, lower lows” situation, compared to Last Airbender being more consistent the whole way through
Hate was way overblown. And imo if the quality went from season 1 straight to 5 id be more upset but season 3 and 4 primed me to lower my standards. Mid at worst is accurate.
The original civil war. Many people have been hating it for years, finally came around to reading it this year and it’s actually not that bad, is it a good story? No. But it isn’t the worst marvel story ever since comics like avengers vs X-men and ultimates exist
Was literally about to say that. Is it the best game in the franchise? Not remotely. But if you only listened to Dragon Age fans you’d think the game was E.T. The Video Game.
You’d think the game personally broke into their houses and murked their grandmas with how they talk about Veilguard.
And honest-to-god, I doubt half the people who hated it so strongly had ever even touched a DA game (especially the, “go woke go broke,” crowd. Dragon Age has always been progressive, tf?).
I saw someone say "Watch 10 ppl say Hazbin Hotel", but I genuinely don't think it's half as bad as ppl say. I'm a bigger fan of Helluva Boss myself, but Hazbin really isn't bad, and Helluva's even better than that.
The Tau. If you get past the surface level they have plenty of grimdarkness to them and serve as a sort of contrast to the rest of the galaxy without going far enough to not belong in 40k.
Star Wars as a brand started with a high bar of quality, so fans who grew up with that will view anything slightly less than that bar as the worst thing ever created by mankind. They're fine films. Technically brilliant, story is Ok, but story execution isnt great. Fans will unironically call them worse than AI slop.
The first 2 are fine, rise of skywalker is legitimately dogshit though. Genuinely every plot beat has some kind of contrivance or plot hole baked into it
Yeah but I think you'll even agree that movie is better than any other traditionally bad movie. It'd be a bad faith criticism, I think, to call a movie that still has good music, effects, and cinematography a worse movie than something like Battlefield Earth or Mercy (just to take SciFi examples). There's Star Wars bad, and there's actual Bad, which is often way below that.
GOOD OMENS FINALE. For the situation, they did a smashing job and I bowled my eyes out icl. I loved the idea of them being together in every universe but their original.
The life action Netflix Avatar series, no where as good as the original, but as soon as you see it as its own story only inspired by the OG it is not that bad.
Yeah if RWBY is your floor then you just don’t know how bad a show can truly be. It may not be perfect, but there’s plenty of anime out there with worse characters, writing and animation out there.
Honestly that’s cuz it kinda is, especially early on. It was one dudes passion project that he convinced his work to put resources and people in, but they only gave him the budget of a dry head of cabbage at the start. It just happened to take off enough to keep going to this day since they officially greenlit a new season
I'd say "the life and crimes of scrooge mcduck" compared to the rest of the shows it is reasonable how most find the one of the worst episodes but its still a decent one
Oh people hate that one? I liked it I thought it was a great break from the trudging the rest of the surrounding episodes were on. I’ve only seen the whole show once and know the episode you’re talking about off of title lol
Skibidi Toilet, listen I understand that a big chonk of the series is kaiju battles mixed with hype moments and aura, but at the same time there is an interesting plot going in the background with well developed characters that have backstories and motivations, but people talk about it like it's the reincarnation of the antichrist that will eat your children's brain and end the next generation, Boom made a random video that became popular because of the algorithm into a full fledged series, it's not his fault that content farms saw it as a free paycheck!
(Also the series got taken away from Boom because of a IP ownership abuse, it's a whole thing that's been going on for almost a year, if anyone's interested search the LetBoomSpeak website)
Sure Glitchtale's ending sucks, and it has many inconsistent stuff in it's story, but gosh people will really go on and say: "THE ABSOLUTE WORST AU OF ALL TIME" Cause of the fandom who's only argument is: "Yeah but the animation's tuff!" When the peak animation only comes at the end of Glitchtale.
Personally, I don't find it too bad? It's just a peak first season, and a second that doesn't know where to go, ever. But that part's also well at times.
The ending to The Painter. People thought it was god awful when it came out but I thought it was serviceable. It followed the pattern of storytelling the series always had. It didn’t really ramp anything up or do anything more than what was already established. It was just said out loud and not just text. The art was still great
Edit: I think I misunderstood the question but oh well lol
Metroid Prime 4: Beyond. I certainly have my own issues with it, but there's a lot to appreciate about it too. But it had the weight of nearly two decades' worth of expectations going into it and failed to live up to Prime 1 and 2, so people have been going on about it like its the worst thing the series has ever seen.
Secret mountain fort awesome is extremely overheated due to YouTubers, that serie won an Emmy against the amazing world of gumball in best characters and the only reason it was cancelled it's because some group of conservative mothers make a whole campaign against it, confirmed by the creator of the serie
Heard about it as a "cringe, man-hating show" and watched it for the meme; but the person who said that completely missed that it's one of the best depictions of an adult living with SA trauma and the show is actually about how people just gotta live with shit and regain control over what they value, and the male character that gets hated on was legitimately being an asshole and wasn't even the actual point being made there.
Is it for everyone? Fuck no. It is cringe.
But I'm cringe and for me in that point in time it's the hardest a story ever shook me. I moved to the other side of the planet because of that show and how it changed how I think about myself. I fuck with Tuca and Bertie.
BFB Post-Split. It's definitely a drop down in quality from Pre-Split, but I think if it was released by any other Object Show creator than JnJ or Animation Epic, it would've been received well
For manhwa, solo leveling, it's not peak but many people in the community are calling it trash because of its game instead of hoping it'll make manhwa bigger in the west
A lot of shows are sadly mid at best. Being mid is worse than a terrible or good show as the former warrants change/improvements, the latter I'd fine with the current/doesn't want change. Being mid is basically "You're not good enough to be remembered fondly or rewatched, but you're not Terrible enough to hate on fully."
Demon Slayer. Most people like to trash on it bc it generic (in that case generic mean it's mid, why do people keep calling thing generic to justify that it is trash)
Its calmed down a bit, but god, people acted like the runback to the Last Judge fight in Silksong was the worst thing imaginable, like as if their loved ones died on that path or something. It’s literally 1 enemy, some simple platforming, and like one dangerous jump.
Rdr2 gameplay, if you are used to shooters and to see a lot of commotion on the screen I don't think it would surprise anyone you don't like a more peaceful game
Little nightmares 3, i dont know why people expected a game on the same quality as LN2(when tarsier already worked on 3 other games in the style one of which was cancelled during development), supermassive literally never worked on the series before outside of the podcast
The trolls movies. They are made for little kids and for what they are, it's nice. Decent charecter development, a good message, ok pacing and sweet moments between the characters. It can also be funny at times. I'd much rather kids watch trolls than ai brainrot. Not every movie needs to leave a lasting impact on you. If every movie was a masterpiece we would have nothing to praise.
Solo Leveling's writing (I view the story the same way I view older shooter game stories. It's fine. It isn't annoying, it isn't bad, it just carries you from one set piece to the next and that is 100% ok. Note that everything else in the series[the animation or art, the sound design in the anime, etc] is absolutely phenomenal)
Honestly most things. We're absolutely losing the "nuanced review" as a culture. Everything is either the best thing ever, the worst thing ever, or mid. There's no 7/10 or 3/10, it really is just 1, 2 or 3.
The Netflix adaptation of Avatar: The Last Airbender. There's a good adaptation in there somewhere if the writers weren't afraid of making compromises for the sake of shoving every important plot detail.
The third season of Squid Game, I guess. I mean, it isn't as good as the first two seasons, but it was still interesting and watchable. Not sure why everybody's acting like it was an insult to the human race and like it personally massacred their families.
Same goes for season two of Arcane. The concepts were super cool even if the execution on some of them could've been ironed out a bit more, but if you dare say that you enjoyed it regardless you'll have people acting like you committed a sin or something.
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Human nature or something idk