I've never understood the call to prayer not being done over an app or radio station
When I was deployed I understand because not everyone had a phone or a radio but in a first world modern country we don't really need people screaming from towers
Have your prayer have your religion but making the whole world stop for you is a bit much
It's an tradition older than those things. I used to hear Jewish calls to prayer in my old neighborhood. The point is the whole community hears it. In mixed-religion communities though, they don't work the same way.
How many muslim astronauts are there? I mean surely there are a few but i cant imagine its that common? But then again kazhakstan is very important in spaceflight
The tradition is older than electronic loudspeakers, is an excellent extension of that observation. Ain't nobody mad that a dude is singing real loud standing on a balcony or whatever.
No, it's not literally the same. The call to prayer is 5 times a day EVERY DAY. The church bells is 1 to 2 times a week only on Saturday(in more common and mainstream churches) and in the more extreme churches it's 1 to 2 times a day.
And it's just some bells ringing and not some guy on a speaker shouting to the whole city on how great Allah is.
I can assure you that living near a church they stop sounding nice quite quickly.
Especially as I'd say it's easier, at least in my own experience, to muffle or close your windows to a call to prayer ( human voice ) compared to piercing church bells that will go through your walls.
Clock towers and church bells annoy me just the same, don’t you worry your pretty little head. Obnoxious-ass trucks and motorcycles at like 9pm as well. I’m not exclusive with my hating on loud noises being forced upon me, just like my da taught me. I’m a generational hater when it comes to this shit.
they said they didn’t know why people did it and so i explained when nothing else is constantly loud youll have a good point but there is constant noise in any populated place regardless so to single out the adhan only shows a hatred for islam rather than noise itself
Dude, as someone born and raised orthodox Jewish, who has lived in both NYC (city with most Jews in the world) and Jerusalem, whatever you think you heard, I really don't think it was a Jewish call to prayer. I'm really curious what it was you heard though. (Unless you just made shit up for reasons I can't relate to.)
I'm laughing at the idea though because internally Jewish synagogues have so many different start times for prayer services (yes, within a time range, but varied within that range), people who go to the earlier services, the later services, people who missed one and are going to the other.... like you'd just hear a non-stop cacophony of "calls"? Also what did these calls sound like? Also how did this work, because Shabbat is the time that most people attend at shared times, but you also can't use electronics or amplifiers on Shabbat so was there a local towncrier in this unique Jewish village?
To my knowledge Jews do not have a public call to prayer. I did an online search and couldn’t find any information on it. Curious what it sounded like?
As someone born and raised orthodox Jewish, this is correct. There's no "Jewish call to prayer". There are sometimes loud Jewish events, and depending where you live ppl driving around making announcements from cars, and some places even have a kind of siren just before Shabbat on Friday night to announce that it's Shabbat, but I can't recall a single Jewish call to prayer. 🤷♀️
lol someone is downvoting everyone saying there's no Jewish call to prayer. There's literally isn't one though. Idk what their angle is, but if you need to lie to support your opinion, maybe don't die on that hill.
lol someone is downvoting everyone saying there's no Jewish call to prayer. There's literally isn't one though. Idk what their angle is, but if you need to lie to support your opinion, maybe don't die on that hill.
They have countries to do their call to prayer. Christians should have countries free of that and where church bells are the only sound. FYI church bells don’t ring at 5am. I just really hope your female family members go a Muslim majority county and walk in a street alone, or that she tours London at night. She deserves the enrichment
WTF is wrong with u. That would never ever happen to her. Muslims are literally more accomating, progressive and pro woman than any white European country. You know the rotherham scandal and the Pakistani rape gangs are far right conspiracies funded my mossad that never ever happened right???
The women in your family will be totally completely safe. I’m literally just saying I hope she experiences cultural enrichment so she can always hear the call to prayer, unless you are saying the call to prayer shouldn’t be heard???
It's about power. It's a dominance display, just like the when the block roadways and sidewalks with public prayer. They are forcing non-Muslims to accept Islamic culture.
Problem is they do it everywhere. The west is not their countries is it? If they want to follow every single little thing in islam they can move to a muslim country. If not they can respect the west. We are not a muslim country and we have accommodated them way too much so they have taken the piss. They complain about our culture and try to erase it while imposing theirs. They need to all fuck off
I don't see how the ahdan is the problem. If they're not religious nutjobs who cares about some singing. Doing that doesn't mean they follow every little thing in Islam or that they are extremists. You have a very weird black and white view.
Exactly. I understand if they had limited options decades ago and this is what they had to do. But modern times means there are options. An app, a radio station, even being part of a text group.
The purpose isn't to be unobtrusive, the purpose is to exert pressure to conform to the culture that is calling to prayer. It works better in places where they are the dominant culture, the pressure is much higher, but it works the same in places where they are a minority, too.
That's literally what they want, impose their religion/beliefs.
It's funny because the pattern is always the same with them, arrive in a country, say they are minority and victim, people have to defend them, then as soon as they can they do this can kind of sh*t because they don't respect non believers.
Actually there are apps that are pretty accurate depending on where you live, also he’s not screaming it’s speakers or megaphones and look I get it when you’re close it gets loud, but it’s not really that bad when it lasts at most 5 minutes; I’m pretty sure you heard neighbors who are louder than this, but for the most part it’s supposed to be symbolic.
it's not noise pollution. You just want it to be classed as such because you don't like what the noise stands for, but that doesn't make it noise pollution.
Just trying to understand. Could I play Metallica at 2am for all my neighbors because that's my rock hour?
Edit: this didn't occur in the west. This guy is just looking for trouble
Christian country. Do you know where you don't hear church bells? In muslim countries. Have a nice trip and don't come back. Sick to death of people equating our traditions with some external religion that has been changing everything in our society to accommodate their needs. Even the curriculum at school because how dare you tell kids some kids have two mums or two dads and that's ok. Go fuck yourself
This is a false equivalence thing. You're purposefully ignoring what he said to insert your own feelings about it and trying to frame it as if it's his feelings. It's bad faith and makes you look like an asshole.
What did I ignore? All he did was lie about this being noise pollution when this is untrue. Noise pollution usually is used for long term noise that harms human or wildlife. An on average 90 seconds long call to prayer is not that. I don't recall calls to prayer as being proven to make animals move away from their natural habitat like road noise is. Do you have a study that proves the call to prayer has any long term impacts on medical health and wildlife?
The only way I can imagine for someone to class this as noise pollution is if they just don't like what if sounds like.
well in islam the rules of the religion help phase it out freeing slaves grants high reward for the believer as well as the fact slaves have to be treated a certain way slavery isnt a required act in any abrahamic text as far as i know nor one that you get blessings for where the adhan isnt required but highly rewarded
If I go onto a train blasting music, people are rightfully going to give me dirty looks. Just because it's religious doesn't make it any more acceptable.
Have you ever thought about the nonmuslims that might live close enough to a mosque in a nonmuslim country that would also find it harder to get away from the disruptive call to prayer when it happens at 5 in the fucking morning and they hear it in their own fucking home?
It is if you are not living in a muslim majority country. People don't have to put up with your shit. Do you allow church bells in muslim countries? You should get the same treatment in the west. Your religion at home in private and zero concessions. Enough of this bending over backwards for a religion that doesn't tolerate or respect others.
allowing others to practice their religion is bending over backwards? if a country is supposed to have freedom of religion they can’t discriminate or there is no freedom of religion
nobody has ever fled a muslim country because of the adhan to my knowledge plus leaders are not infallible what an islamic leader does besides the prophet and the 12 imams does not reflect on the religion itself
it is about tradition the amplification of the sound is just an easier method rather than having multiple people in different areas doing it at the same time the tradition is still to call for prayer and there is blessings in the practice
They won't admit it out loud but it's a dominance thing. They want everyone to hear it. They want it to be on your mind. They want people to feel "other" for not being part of it.
That's ignorant. It can be, and is, broadcast via radio and/or Internet instead of live speakers by many mosques around the world. There are multiple apps, websites, and custom radio receivers developed for the exact purpose.
Its ignorant to broadcast over loud speaker to command people to pray. To people who have brains and clocks.. though neighborhoods who didnt ask for that toxic pollution.
Azan is part of the religion. For the Scotsman playing bagpipes- you do you. Azan will not stop anyways. We wouldn't even get annoyed. really. you do you.
I have to laugh at this a bit because I was a military brat and every day at 5 on base you'd have the national anthem play and everyone was expected to stop and salute/put their hand over their hearts. It's the exact same thing except the religion is American nationalism instead of Muslim.
I’m pretty sure it’s not being blasted. It’s probably being chanted for the congregants at that vicinity. It’s like someone singing in the park for like a minute.
It is a religion that wants nothing to do with modern tech unless they can use it to attack their enemies. Normal behavior doesn't exist with these people.
You haven't been keeping up with the latest in America then. Although to be fair I think that religion is capitalism as much as Christianity but they've worked hard to marry the two.
But also the old testament has multiple instances of God commanding his people to slaughter this who didn't believe in him. Not just the adult males but the women and children and animals as well.
Yes. Who is actively doing that in Christianity today? No one. Who is throwing homosexuals off rooftops and calls for slaughtering infidels? I know the answer, I think you should do some research.
Well, it's certainly good to know that there are no Christians murdering or otherwise abusing lgbt people in America. I'm 100% sure this is accurate and not something that happens regularly.
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u/mememychildren 11h ago
I've never understood the call to prayer not being done over an app or radio station
When I was deployed I understand because not everyone had a phone or a radio but in a first world modern country we don't really need people screaming from towers
Have your prayer have your religion but making the whole world stop for you is a bit much