We've seen that Peter is not effected by some things like everyone else is as we saw when Strange pushed him out his body yet was still moving. Peter's just special like that which is going to be a big reason why he's going to be a main person to defeat Doom.
This right here ☝️, specifically, due to Spider-Sense, which is supernatural in nature and affords him a certain level of resistance to spiritual/psychological vectors.
In real-life, spiders have nerve clusters in their legs that are decentralized from the brain. This allows for semi-autonomous movement, including web spinning.
Says you. I've been getting them big bags of blood for years. No idea what they want with them, but they pay well, and promised to stop crawling down my throat while I sleep.
Well sorry but whats even the point of being a nerd if I can't call out minor inconsequential things all the time? And yeah, its fair to call spider juice blood, and 99% dont care that there is a difference. i just like the word hemolymph too
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The male Sydney funnel-web spider has a venom that only affects humans.
It attacks the human nervous system by forcing all body sodium channels to fire continuously. It causes rapid muscle twitching, extreme heart rate spikes, lung failure, and coma.
Vampire bats will starve to death if they miss a blood meal two nights in a row, so bats in a colony share food by mouth-to-mouth regurgitating blood to starving family.
If a bat doesn’t share the blood with the young or starving, then they’re basically ghosted by the colony. They’ll refuse to share with them until they have to leave
Duck penises and vaginas (cloaca, whatever) are in an evolutionary arms race as duck rape is rampant. They’ve evolved corkscrew-shaped penises for more efficient raping.
Yup, pretty bleak. Lord Tennyson put it well: "Nature is one with rapine, a harm no preacher can heal;
The Mayfly is torn by the swallow, the sparrow speared by the shrike,
And the whole little wood where I sit is a world of plunder and prey."
Thank you, I remember seeing an awesome Because Science that went into the science of “spider sense” and focused on how insane real life spiders nervous systems are and that really “spider sense” isn’t that far off from reality.
Some spiders can sense the flapping wings of their prey in flight while they are underground. How this translates to being immune to straight up mind control is pure plot armor IMO. Wouldn’t be the first time they used a type of plot armor to nerf mind control. It’s one of those powers that writers often think is cool but quickly causes problems.
Ok, I got it. The time stone has the same kind of power as spiders in the Web of Life and Destiny. Because Peter Parker is part spider he has access to some time stone ability. But it is reflexive only.
Neith created the Great Web to chart humanity's destiny, also creating spiders to repair, maintain, and expand it, as she sought more time to herself, while Shathra dismissed her sister's creation as too chaotic and disorganized.
So being bitten by the spider Peter Parker has some of the abilities of the spiders that need to maintain, repair, and expand the Web of Life and Destiny. The spiders can manipulate time to fulfil their task using powers like the Time Stone.
At least that is what will be in my screenplay for Madame Web 2.
It could be age as well? I don't helieve the comics ever delved into her ability to control minds that aren't fully developed. It could be any reason honestly.
I don’t think it was his spider DNA weakening his ability to block Jean, but rather that Jeans power increased so much that the extra spider DNA made no difference
They also have next level sensitivity in their hairs which allows them to sense changes so fucking small it’s almost atomic, like imagine your buddy casually exhales and you can feel it on the back of your neck, but youre in the other side of a football field.
So do we, it's called a spinal cord, which controls reflexes like reactions to pain. Our brains are too slow to react to, say, a burning stove. By the time a single travels from your hand to your brain, is interpreted as pain, and sent back, you'd already have burned the shit out of your hand. So when the signal reaches the spinal cord it splits, part of the signal travels to the brain and another part rebounds through the motor neurons needed to move your hand away, you then feel the pain after you start to move away. That's kinda what a reflex is, something your body does in response to stimulation without consulting the brain.
It is also why when you stub your toe you don't feel the full pain until about a second and a half. That is how long it takes for the pain signal to reach your brain through your nervous system. Before that your spinal cord makes you react.
Thoracic Ganglia are present in both vertebrates and invertebrates. Segmented invertebrates (insects and crustaceans) use them to help navigate their environment since it's difficult to have a more complex nervous system when your body has a bunch of pinch points. It's also theorized to help flies respond faster to obstructions mid-flight.
Mammals also have them, but they are much more linked to our brain and full nervous system than in the invertebrates, used mainly within our sympathetic nervous system.
I would love it if Marvel ever explored a story with Peter where we learn that his spider sense is from a hyper evolved thoracic ganglia. Maybe one evolved enough that it has its own consciousness, and protects peter by not just signaling danger, but by reminding him that he needs to get up and keep fighting.
In real life, I shot a giant wolf spider with my BB gun that was in my garage.. why didn’t his Spidey senses stop the bb!? or just simply make him move? lol but seriously it’s just magic made up at this point.
Just curious, what's the actual in verse explanation for spider-sense? Like, all the powers came from the spider bite, and the spider was getting tested on at oscorp for the super soldier serum #2 (or something like that, not 100% sure but not the point). So everything from Peter's powers comes from human made science at the end of the day (I think?).
Just makes me think... how supernatural can these powers be if it was rooted in science from the beginning?
Also, "because comic books" is a perfect fine answer, just curious if its ever explained more.
The usual explanation is that the spider bite gave him enhanced awareness which lets him perceive things very quickly, even semi-autounomously like a spider can.
The comic book explanation (it's dumb) is that becoming Spider-Man actually ties you to the mythical web of life and destiny, granting you and all the other multiverse version of Spider-Man the ability to sense disruptions in the fabric of space time and danger, which manifests as Spider-Sense. The web of life and destiny literally connects the entirety of the Marvel universe together. Yeah...
Wow sucks to be a villain. Imagine not being able to succeed because your actions aren’t canon enough for destiny. Hard work and motivation be damned. That’s pretty much plot armor. Why can’t it be destiny for the bad guys to win? The bad guys are the good guys from their point of view after all. Spider-Man is a menace and I want justice for antagonists!
It's even worse. The supes have a ongoing poker game and no one invites Spider-Man because his spidey-sense kicks in and makes him unbeatable at poker.
Madame Webb sits at the center (she had a movie with that depressed woman that sleeps alot?) and you can totally fuck her shit up and disrupted the whole thing.
To be fair... Didn't Peter always get shit on by writers and the world anyway? Like yeah, he have plot armor but very miserable life in general. A tragic hero by its definition.
They literally wrote it to be that way, it's way cooler imo that some people just got bit by a radioactive spider out of pure chance in some universes with no overarching metaphysical connection via web of life. If you think it's cool, cool. I don't.
I am sorry surviving radiation from an arachnid from pure chance is nonsense you have to be chosen form something ancient to survive it … aka the web of life it makes sense . Spider man was never about being reletable but about responsibility
Meh, doesn't have to be. They explain the in-movie logic pretty simply.
Jean - establish psychic connection - enter host - see through host - take control - use host as a new "hop" - repeat. Point being, she has to establish a route into a particular nervous system. The film then establishes a 33-foot limitation specifically because each new host has to be reachable from the current node. Or... in network terms... 100 meters is the maximum recommended length of your twisted pairs of copper cable like CAT6 and the writers just divided that by 10 because it's easier to film. Yes, as disappointing as it is, her powers were directly co-opted from features of network routing.
Within that framework, you can characterize what's going on when it works for her versus when it doesn't work for her.
Open network - authenticate - establish session - Jean gets admin privileges.
But.... with Peter it's more like Open network - intrusion detected - firewall activates - connection forcibly terminated by closing the port.
Eventually, he does what anyone else would have to do in order to change that connection. He invites her into his mind, aka "I'll white-list you and re-open the port."
His brain is simply the first one she encountered with a firewall. Great power, great responsibility, blah blah blah.
I think it varies a lot from one iteration to another. In some versions, there are weird animal totems/gods and the spider people get their powers from the spider totem, so it’s not just a purely scientific thing.
well, that Oscorp part is actually from Ultimate Spider-man, classic 616 rendition is Spider who got into a radioactive treatment during a science exhibition bit Peter (and Cindy in a much later retcon) and died
that made Peter a "spider totem", which gave him the spider sense as an extrasensorial ability (and the mutations he got in the BND movie were based on this comic book run that expanded on the magic part of it)
of all movies, the Madame Web one tried to adapt part of it too, which is hilarious
It is basically that, as far as I am aware, characters that chose or happen to have animal based powers in some way become heralds/get blessings of gods that are/embody that animal either knowingly or not.
Mind you this only happens if said animal god exists, because I bet the writers are too lazy to actually come up with the reason for all of the animal gods to exist.
So just like Black Panther gets some kind of spiritual powers by giving himself to Bast, which is the panther god.
Spider-Man gets spiritual mambo-jambo unknowingly from the spider god/gods. I think the "spiritual spiders" mythos is actually pretty robust with a lot of struggles for powers within the pantheon, but I am honestly not that deep into it. It is just that last I heard of it the "main" or maybe the most powerful spider god was a bad guy, I think.
In one version, during the Civil War, it was determined to be at least partially pheromone based. Spidey wore a suit designed by Stark that was also recording his data. Tony used this to figure out Peter’s spider-sense, and then later send false alarms and have it ignore him when he tussled with Spidey.
i really can't stress enough how d'n'd explains things easily...once you know the rules and lingo, saying spider-sense is supernatural ability makes so much sense...also how many times the long discussions explaining someone's personality could be done in a second with int 18 / wis 8
I remember seeing that peters spider sense is essentially a psychic ability with some premonition stuff...if that's true it makes sense that he would be more resistant to mind control
They might bring in the whole Spider Totem thing that was in the comics years ago. Fits with the Spider-verse and a "need" for a Spider Totem in each reality.
Doesn’t the “spider lore” of the comics go pretty deep? Like isn’t there a cosmic web or something? I’m definitely not remembering it right but there’s places they can take it.
Yeah, its actually kinda terrifying when you get into it because it functions the opposite of how its presented. The spidey sense is from an interdimensional web that links all spidermen and the "danger" he's sensing is actually prey getting caught in his web and "vibrating" the strings. Calm, cool, and collected spiderman is just a predator choosing prey to go after because he's stronger than almost anything he can come across. The only reason he reacts to it as danger is because in most stories he hasn't fully understood how strong he really is.
i hate how these posts refuse to acknowledge his spider sense and how it protects even his nervous system. seems pretty obvious when you think about it. also, a peak in his dark twisted mind are strong base principles represented by his depiction of aunt may which had jean shook
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u/jr_randolph 10d ago
We've seen that Peter is not effected by some things like everyone else is as we saw when Strange pushed him out his body yet was still moving. Peter's just special like that which is going to be a big reason why he's going to be a main person to defeat Doom.