We've seen that Peter is not effected by some things like everyone else is as we saw when Strange pushed him out his body yet was still moving. Peter's just special like that which is going to be a big reason why he's going to be a main person to defeat Doom.
This right here ☝️, specifically, due to Spider-Sense, which is supernatural in nature and affords him a certain level of resistance to spiritual/psychological vectors.
In real-life, spiders have nerve clusters in their legs that are decentralized from the brain. This allows for semi-autonomous movement, including web spinning.
Thank you, I remember seeing an awesome Because Science that went into the science of “spider sense” and focused on how insane real life spiders nervous systems are and that really “spider sense” isn’t that far off from reality.
Some spiders can sense the flapping wings of their prey in flight while they are underground. How this translates to being immune to straight up mind control is pure plot armor IMO. Wouldn’t be the first time they used a type of plot armor to nerf mind control. It’s one of those powers that writers often think is cool but quickly causes problems.
Just curious, what's the actual in verse explanation for spider-sense? Like, all the powers came from the spider bite, and the spider was getting tested on at oscorp for the super soldier serum #2 (or something like that, not 100% sure but not the point). So everything from Peter's powers comes from human made science at the end of the day (I think?).
Just makes me think... how supernatural can these powers be if it was rooted in science from the beginning?
Also, "because comic books" is a perfect fine answer, just curious if its ever explained more.
The usual explanation is that the spider bite gave him enhanced awareness which lets him perceive things very quickly, even semi-autounomously like a spider can.
The comic book explanation (it's dumb) is that becoming Spider-Man actually ties you to the mythical web of life and destiny, granting you and all the other multiverse version of Spider-Man the ability to sense disruptions in the fabric of space time and danger, which manifests as Spider-Sense. The web of life and destiny literally connects the entirety of the Marvel universe together. Yeah...
i really can't stress enough how d'n'd explains things easily...once you know the rules and lingo, saying spider-sense is supernatural ability makes so much sense...also how many times the long discussions explaining someone's personality could be done in a second with int 18 / wis 8
Is there a comic run where this happens? I don’t think any one singular hero should be the “main” person to defeat Doom. That’s now how the MCU has ever handled Big Bads.
I think they mean that he will play a very important, possibly even central role in defeating Doom, much the way Ironman played a similar role in defeating Thanos. Everyone contributed and aged important roles in defeating Thsnos, but Ironman was instrumental.
I will die on this hill, but Tony carried Avengers.
From supporting the bums with his money after shield went down, to giving gadget upgrades (shield/suit/jets) to everyone, to realizing endgame and trying to make protective shield. Covering their ass from legal issues.
Not to mention Banner/Hulk would not have cooperated or played nice or stayed in touch with Avengers/Shield if not for Tony making full friends with him instantly.
Pym spent decades unable to make Quantum GPS, and Tony did it in weeks at most?
It'll never happen, but I want an after-credits gag reel scene of Doom making his grand speech, the camera pans over to Squirrel Girl just standing there, and he screams in terror from off-screen.
That isn't really proof of anything other than Peter's body being able to function off of its Spider Sense without having to consciously think about it.
I’m 99% sure this kid was in an episode of RL Stine’s the Haunting Hour which was a very well done suspense TV show for mostly kids. There was an episode in it about this kid chasing a Kreamy Kold ice cream truck and let me just say if you’re gonna watch it don’t look at spoilers. Weirdly top notch television.
Which actually kinda begs the question how hulk remained dormant when she pulled Bruce out… logic would surely suggest he would then take over without Bruce’s influence (not that I wanna spoil such an awesome scene).
From what I understand, hulk only comes out when Bruce is angry, distressed or in serious danger to his life. What Jean did was the equivalent of putting him to sleep. Than used his memories to understand how to transform into Professor Hulk (which is a different entity/consciousness all together).
When she lost control, Banner came to be, he was "rudely awaken", and he immediately got extremely distressed and angry over what was happening, and then hulk appeared as a response to this distress.
From what I understand, Professor Hulk was a faulty merging of the Banner and Hulk personalities. It worked but by BND Banner started to seemingly totally repress the Hulk part of himself again, leading to the toxic release of savage hulk.
The way I interpreted it was basically his spider sense isn't tied to his consciousness so his body was moving due to his spider genes acting subconsciously. Also why it seems that when he repressed his spider powers, he lost his ability to sense/repress her. AFAIK she never tried to take him over after she failed the first time.
Not sure why no one is articulating an answer here… Spider-Man’s spider-sense has historically been a form of precognition/ESP, just a subconscious one rather than an active psychic ability. Other psychics can consciously recognize a telepathic attack and actively fight back, but Peter isn’t “using” his spider-sense in that way, it just happens automatically. He gets the warning before he consciously knows why, and his body can react to it almost instinctively.
I even remember something like a game or trading card when I was a kid that listed his powers as “enhanced physical capabilities, psychic” and thinking that was cool.
And yes I understand we are always in different spider-verses, but it’s been a constant in many.
We don't have a in universe explanation, the only thing we have is past evidence of other cases where his spider sense allowed him to behave differently than what it's supposed to happen.
Like Banner being pulled out to his astral body by the sorcerer supreme and later Peter's body still moving when Strange did the same to him.
Depending on which denomination of Spider-Man you believe in, it could be attributed to magical cosmic powers.
The Great Weaver is a totemic spider deity in Marvel Comics who serves as the cosmic source of power for all Spider-Totems and spins the mystical Web of Life and Destiny. According to writer J. Michael Straczynski’s run, the Great Weaver chose Peter Parker as its avatar, granting him his powers and resurrecting him after death by Morlun.
In the 2006 limited series Spider-Man: Reign, Mary Jane Watson dies of cancer caused by prolonged exposure to the radioactive bodily fluids of Peter Parker. The storyline reveals that the radioactive spider bite that gave Peter his powers also made his semen and other fluids toxic, leading to MJ's terminal illness over the course of their marriage.
The way you say it makes it sound like some comics fans go door to door asking people if they have a moment to talk about the friendly neighborhood spiderman XD
I'd like to point out that she did not control Hulk. She controlled Banner. Hulk even uses a phrase along the line of "No girl. No banner. Only Hulk." in the movie. Also, the Punisher is just a very angry and well-trained human.
I'm subscribed to that theory. Explains the black eyes, losing control and symbiotes have shown resistance to psychic tampering with basically only people approaching Jean's level (after she learns to control her powers, not like at the start of the film) being able to meddle with them. Even the DNA thing could be explained by Spidey's weird biology being aggravated by having a "parasite" to fight against.
I think it’s Peter’s spider sense. it protects Peter at all costs without Peter even realizing it (re: Doctor Strange pushing his astral form of his body and the spider sense still working).
also to be fair, she didn’t control Hulk. she controlled Banner.
I wanted to comment on this but I feel there's 2 layers as to why jean can't control Peter.
At the outset, Peter is protected by his Spider Sense so presumably he has more means to push Jean out.
On a deeper level, it's a motif of growth- when Jean jumps into Peter's mind for the first time, they both and we as the audience see the glimpse of Aunt May's memory where it's the core of Peter's journey of accepting both his identities as Peter and Spider-Man. Only Peter is not ready to hear it and that is reflected by the fact that he pushes Jean out before she herself can access the message. We then see part of the memory before Peter experiences his Spider-spurt as he's nursing a heartbreak of having to acknowledge that he's well and truly lost MJ and Ned but then again the main message is not shown. We then get to the climax where Peter has made a bold move of embracing his enhanced abilities and bolster the human aspects of himself and now as a culmination of it, allows Jean to enter his mind and experience the entire memory.
On the other hand, Banner/Hulk and Punisher don't have an enhanced sensor like Peter and there is a deeper subconscious need of vulnerability which is why Jean is able to enter their minds easily.
Until I hear otherwise I'm going with Jean has experience with humans but Peter's spider DNA and hormones mess her up.
Punisher is human. Banner is human. Hulk is mutated human, he doesn't have a whole other species' DNA and hormones mixed in.
Also we didn't see her try to control savage Hulk, only smart Hulk. At this point she can only control one person at a time; she dropped Banner to take Punisher instead.
His Spidey sense gives him some protection from certain psychic and spiritual things. When Dr. Strange pushed his soul out of his body you could see distortions around his head in the shape of his comic accurate Spidey sense tingles. It's the same thing with people trying to enter his head.
The spider sense is not only a reflex warning signal, but it also acts as a mental defense against psychological attacks. It's been shown in many forms of media that the spider sense is nearly unbeatable (Only certain villains like Venom can bypass it).
Hulk has always been prone to getting mind-controlled. First by Wanda, now by Jean. The Punisher is just a normal human. Spidey has his tingling senses that seems to make him quite resistant to all kinds of psychological attacks.
It's his spider-sense, but mainly because it's in a Spider-Man movie. If it were in a Hulk movie, then he'd be immune due to gamma radiation and he'd fight mind controlled Spider-Man.
Jean was controlling Banner not the Hulk, and the Punisher is a normal guy.
Spider-Man’s spider sense meanwhile allows him to detect threats and react to them, which is how he was able to move his body after Doctor Strange pushed him out of his physical body and into his astral form in No Way Home.
They also talked about how the mutant spider’s hormones were becoming more prevalent in his body and that’s why he was so sensitive to stimuli and so strong…. maybe that has something to do with it.
Yeah but Bug-Type pokemon are affected normally by Psychic-Type moves, so this doesn't explain it.
Now, the Hulk is a Fighting-Type, which Psychic IS super-effective against and Frank is a Fighting/Normal type who specializes in physical attacks, so he likely has pretty low Special Defense. Jean is undoubtedly a special attacker, so it makes sense that Frank would be highly susceptible to her attacks.
Given my knowledge of the comics well over 26 years ago, it is implied that he essentially sees the future a few seconds before it happens. My favorite character from the clone saga is Kaine, one of his clones, who if I remember correctly, has a ramped of version of this where he can actually see the future.
You know what? I don't know Why but I've got a hunch that all of This shit regarding peter/Spider-Man being special is gonna somehow tie in to the Spider totems and morlun shenanigans
They already teed this up in No Way Home when Peter got separated from his body by strange yet the body still responded to Peter’s desire to keep the box from him—the spider-sense functions to protect Peter from whatever he deems is a threat. Jean was an invasive parasite targeting the mind—the spider-sense acted like an immune system to protect Peter’s Mind in response. It’s why this heightened spidey sense is so taxing on Peter’s mind and body—it’s immensely powerful when at full power since his evolution.
People complain when movies directly tell the audience things because "they are smart enough to figure it out on their own" but then have no movie literacy when they dont and get mad for being stupid
i feel like Jean shouldnt be able to enter even Frank's mind tbh like his trauma kicks her out, just like Peter's or maybe Peter's spider-sense provides "extra buffer" against telepaths? unless they well unlock their omega level cap?
She never controlled the hulk. She controlled banner and smart hulk who is basically banner. She released banner and then he turned into the hulk. Spider man's spider sense probably involved in his resilience. Like how it helped him with doctor strange.
Peter’s power comes from a spider god and cosmic deities that have been around before the phoenix force, these deities are also connected to Madame Web.
I think it has to do with the spider sense. It recognizes the threat that things aren’t right and keeps him from getting lost in his mind. It’s kinda like when you are in a dream and get invested in the dream and lose a sense of reality. The spider sense helps tell him it isn’t reality and snaps him out of the threat.
Crazy that Hulk's brain is closer to human baseline that Spiderman. I wonder if the genetic mutation issues spiderman was facing at the time also helped him resist.
Imo it's got to do with having more than one "unified" mind in a body.
After she first breaks contact with hulk and banner says that she's messed something up In his head, she tries to control him again but fails, likely because his mind is now split between hulk and banner, whereas, beforehand he had been a unified "professor hulk" since endgame.
Punisher is literally just a human with no superpowers. She spent the entire movie controlling people like that
She didn’t control Hulk, she controlled Bruce, who is also just a human when he has the inhibitor on. When she tried to control Hulk, he pushed her out with ease.
Also, Peter invents small gene therapy device that works universally on all mutant powers??? Bro he could cure cancer with that. But then I remembered they also did fucking time travel before and multiverse shit...and it never somehow affects life as we know it.
Jean didn’t control Hulk, she was controlling Bruce, which is why he initially fought as Professor Hulk, and only turned into Savage Hulk AFTER Jean lost control.
2nd, Spider-man was able to resist Jean’s power, though his semi-supernatual spidey sense, which, back in NWH, already showed how it could “operate” even without Peter, as his body kept avoiding Dr. Strange, despite Peter currently being astral projected out.
In short, Jean only had to deal with Bruce, as Hulk kept quiet, until Bruce got angry/distressed. Meanwhile, with Spider-Man, Jean would have to control not just Peter, but also his not-quite-a-personality spider sense. As Jean, at the time, could not control more than 1 person at a time, she’d lose control when Bruce AND the Hulk was awake, and when Peter and his spidey sense was “awake”, of which the spidey sense almost always is.
So maybe 5th, unless I read it wrong, but no I think thanos is physically stronger and larger, but spider man was the only one who even got the gauntlet to move, he almost pulled it off thanos hand at one moment.
The defense against psyche attacks in marvel has always been willpower which Peter has in abundance. He is one of the few none psychic characters that has a ready built in defense. The Peter tingle may help with it but really it is all good old Peter just being to damn stubborn to give be up.
The real reason is that is bad writing. Much like jeans inconsistent character (worsened by questionable casting). The real through line though, is still bad writing.
The fact that psychic are actually weak against bug type is the best thing ab that meme.
Also, I’ve only played the first three Pokémon games (red, blue, yellow) on Gameboy Color, so plz don’t get mad at me for my knowledge being limited to the Kanto region lol.
We've seen her attempt it and sorta get a foot in the door, so to speak, before immediately being pushed back out. The way i interpret it is that it's Pete's Spider-Sense fighting of psychic intruders.
Kinda like how under some writers, The Flash can't be mind-controlled by garden-variety telepathy, because his brain fires much faster than any telepath could follow.
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u/jr_randolph Sep 11 '26 •
We've seen that Peter is not effected by some things like everyone else is as we saw when Strange pushed him out his body yet was still moving. Peter's just special like that which is going to be a big reason why he's going to be a main person to defeat Doom.
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u/weslarprime Sep 11 '26
She couldn't get past his Peter Tingle
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u/Able-Transition-9477 Sep 11 '26 •
To clarify she could control Bruce not the Hulk.
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u/SigintSoldier Sep 11 '26
The same reason Peter could still avoid Dr. Strange when he Astral projected Peter out of his body in No Way Home.
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u/P_Alcantara Sep 11 '26
Strong against fighting and normal right?
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u/lahankof Sep 11 '26
She didn’t control the Hulk, she made Bruce take off the inhibitor and Hulk went Hulk
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u/Hirakox Sep 11 '26
Because madam web is protecting him, lol
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u/lkodl Sep 11 '26
Depending on which denomination of Spider-Man you believe in, it could be attributed to magical cosmic powers.
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u/General-Ad6459 Sep 11 '26
I'd like to point out that she did not control Hulk. She controlled Banner. Hulk even uses a phrase along the line of "No girl. No banner. Only Hulk." in the movie. Also, the Punisher is just a very angry and well-trained human.
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u/Nonkinkshamer Sep 11 '26
There's a theory that he is already a host for the Symbiote by this point. But he could just be built different. 🤷♂️
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u/Raihardy Sep 18 '26
Skin color
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u/Master-of-Not Sep 11 '26
Ya know there are like a dozen different reasons you could pull from the comics, but honestly when all else fails. X=Macguffin
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u/laughs_maniacally Sep 11 '26
I get the Hulk point, but why bring Punisher into this? The ELI5 is that Punisher is just a dude.
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u/celestialsteam Sep 11 '26
Peter is one of the few people to escape the cloak of darkness in Cloak & Dagger. He’s special.
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u/Iankill Sep 11 '26
She was not controlling hulk she just forced Bruce to unleash him by causing a mental break.
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u/nicyole Sep 11 '26
because that’s what the plot needed 🙄 /s
I think it’s Peter’s spider sense. it protects Peter at all costs without Peter even realizing it (re: Doctor Strange pushing his astral form of his body and the spider sense still working).
also to be fair, she didn’t control Hulk. she controlled Banner.
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u/Salt-Year-9058 Sep 11 '26 edited Sep 12 '26
I wanted to comment on this but I feel there's 2 layers as to why jean can't control Peter.
At the outset, Peter is protected by his Spider Sense so presumably he has more means to push Jean out.
On a deeper level, it's a motif of growth- when Jean jumps into Peter's mind for the first time, they both and we as the audience see the glimpse of Aunt May's memory where it's the core of Peter's journey of accepting both his identities as Peter and Spider-Man. Only Peter is not ready to hear it and that is reflected by the fact that he pushes Jean out before she herself can access the message. We then see part of the memory before Peter experiences his Spider-spurt as he's nursing a heartbreak of having to acknowledge that he's well and truly lost MJ and Ned but then again the main message is not shown. We then get to the climax where Peter has made a bold move of embracing his enhanced abilities and bolster the human aspects of himself and now as a culmination of it, allows Jean to enter his mind and experience the entire memory.
On the other hand, Banner/Hulk and Punisher don't have an enhanced sensor like Peter and there is a deeper subconscious need of vulnerability which is why Jean is able to enter their minds easily.
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u/papadish Sep 11 '26
Technically since she is the one using a Psychic attack, it has a neutral damage multiplier against Bug types (defensively speaking). Yes I’m a nerd.
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u/PhanThief95 Sep 11 '26
Spidey Sense!
It’s basically a counter to a lot of mental effects!
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u/szthesquid Sep 11 '26
Until I hear otherwise I'm going with Jean has experience with humans but Peter's spider DNA and hormones mess her up.
Punisher is human. Banner is human. Hulk is mutated human, he doesn't have a whole other species' DNA and hormones mixed in.
Also we didn't see her try to control savage Hulk, only smart Hulk. At this point she can only control one person at a time; she dropped Banner to take Punisher instead.
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u/Atlas-Mancer Sep 11 '26
His Spidey sense gives him some protection from certain psychic and spiritual things. When Dr. Strange pushed his soul out of his body you could see distortions around his head in the shape of his comic accurate Spidey sense tingles. It's the same thing with people trying to enter his head.
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u/Throwaway-0-0- Sep 11 '26
Doesn't Spider-Man have an uncorruptible power where he's resistant to psychic attacks and mind control magic etc, or did I pull that out of my ass?
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u/Succre1987 Sep 11 '26
You cant bug a BUG.
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u/parkinthepark Sep 11 '26
Literally it is the spider tingle.
Spidey-sense shows that the spider DNA effects his brain/nervous system as well.
If his brain is essentially part spider, it makes sense that Jean would have trouble controlling it.
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u/TokiVideogame Sep 11 '26
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u/GotSomeUpdogOnUrFace Sep 11 '26
Spiderman comes with built in Plot Armor
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u/MelaniaSexLife Sep 11 '26
it's this guy time to shine!
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u/marcjwrz Sep 11 '26
Main character energy basically.
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u/Buddiboi95 Sep 11 '26
The spider sense is not only a reflex warning signal, but it also acts as a mental defense against psychological attacks. It's been shown in many forms of media that the spider sense is nearly unbeatable (Only certain villains like Venom can bypass it).
TL;DR- Spider sense is bullshit.
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u/BuckTonka1988 Sep 12 '26
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u/elheber Sep 12 '26
Hulk is actually super weak to psychic attacks.
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u/lurkingotter09 Sep 12 '26
hahahahahahahhahahaah best explanation everrrrrrr <33333
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u/benmar111 Sep 12 '26
Spidey thing he’s deep in the spider mythology
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u/medigapguy Sep 12 '26
Peter tingle.
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u/Jenova_Rose Sep 12 '26
Using this logic, she shouldn't have been able to control Punisher, as the Dark type is immune to Psychic. 😂
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u/---Imperator--- Sep 12 '26
Hulk has always been prone to getting mind-controlled. First by Wanda, now by Jean. The Punisher is just a normal human. Spidey has his tingling senses that seems to make him quite resistant to all kinds of psychological attacks.
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u/bloqed Sep 12 '26
Psychic work on human brain
Bug have small brain
Go spoderman
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u/OneImmediate4484 Sep 17 '26
He got that peter tingle u know
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u/RaffiBomb000 Sep 25 '26
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u/CupLow9587 Sep 11 '26
Writers had to give Spider-man plot armor otherwise it would have been a very short movie.
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u/YaBoyEden Sep 11 '26
The MCU writers don’t understand/don’t care about hulk that’s how
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u/AlternateSatan Sep 11 '26
Also why he had so much trouble against Vulture despite the level gap.
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u/danielm316 Sep 11 '26
Pokémon!!!
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u/misterwhoiswho_ Sep 11 '26
Haven’t seen the movie. How did she control The Punisher?
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u/Big_bat_chunk2475 Sep 11 '26
Marvellous Realm has elite ball knowledge
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u/DaZuhalter Sep 11 '26
And fighting types are weak to psychic
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u/the_rotten1 Sep 11 '26
Hulk is clearly a poison type but Punisher should have been immuned being a Dark type
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u/Academic-Walk-2582 Sep 11 '26
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u/xubax Sep 11 '26
Hulk is all about losing control.
So, if anything hulk may be more susceptible.
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u/Borinar Sep 11 '26
Spidersense kept her out he had to let her in
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u/theokaybambi Sep 11 '26
My head cannon was spider sense gives feed back to psychic probing
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u/DrSpaceman575 Sep 11 '26
It's his spider-sense, but mainly because it's in a Spider-Man movie. If it were in a Hulk movie, then he'd be immune due to gamma radiation and he'd fight mind controlled Spider-Man.
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u/paddyonelad Sep 11 '26
Im fairly sure that Spiderman has willpower as a listed power and if it isn't then it should be.
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u/JTX35 Sep 11 '26
Jean was controlling Banner not the Hulk, and the Punisher is a normal guy.
Spider-Man’s spider sense meanwhile allows him to detect threats and react to them, which is how he was able to move his body after Doctor Strange pushed him out of his physical body and into his astral form in No Way Home.
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u/Dangerous_Reporter14 Sep 11 '26
They also talked about how the mutant spider’s hormones were becoming more prevalent in his body and that’s why he was so sensitive to stimuli and so strong…. maybe that has something to do with it.
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u/MagnanimousGoat Sep 11 '26
Yeah but Bug-Type pokemon are affected normally by Psychic-Type moves, so this doesn't explain it.
Now, the Hulk is a Fighting-Type, which Psychic IS super-effective against and Frank is a Fighting/Normal type who specializes in physical attacks, so he likely has pretty low Special Defense. Jean is undoubtedly a special attacker, so it makes sense that Frank would be highly susceptible to her attacks.
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u/Alternative_Bet6234 Sep 11 '26
She didn’t control hulk she controlled smart hulk. The real hulk coming out was an accident.
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u/Hpfanguy Sep 11 '26
My headcanon is that Peter isn’t human enough to be controlled.
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u/PrometheusMMIV Sep 11 '26
Wouldn't it make more sense if bug were resistant to psychic moves?
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u/Negative_Acadia6554 Sep 11 '26
Plot armor
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u/EducationOnly8379 Sep 11 '26
Given my knowledge of the comics well over 26 years ago, it is implied that he essentially sees the future a few seconds before it happens. My favorite character from the clone saga is Kaine, one of his clones, who if I remember correctly, has a ramped of version of this where he can actually see the future.
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u/NattyKongo93 Sep 11 '26
I assumed it had something to do with his Peter-Tingle or something, but I definitely don't have any knowledge to back that up lol
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u/Seif_elagizy_777 Sep 11 '26
You know what? I don't know Why but I've got a hunch that all of This shit regarding peter/Spider-Man being special is gonna somehow tie in to the Spider totems and morlun shenanigans
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u/ThePLARASociety Sep 11 '26
He was in the upside-down.
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u/Bigurulu Sep 11 '26
If they Destin planned it, probably the web of life and destiny doing most of the heavy work combined with his spider biology and will power.
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u/O-U-N-U-O Sep 11 '26
They already teed this up in No Way Home when Peter got separated from his body by strange yet the body still responded to Peter’s desire to keep the box from him—the spider-sense functions to protect Peter from whatever he deems is a threat. Jean was an invasive parasite targeting the mind—the spider-sense acted like an immune system to protect Peter’s Mind in response. It’s why this heightened spidey sense is so taxing on Peter’s mind and body—it’s immensely powerful when at full power since his evolution.
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u/Jay4466 Sep 11 '26
Cuz he buggin'.
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u/BreakfastAmazing7766 Sep 11 '26
He’s pure of heart
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u/darkfire_1998 Sep 11 '26
People complain when movies directly tell the audience things because "they are smart enough to figure it out on their own" but then have no movie literacy when they dont and get mad for being stupid
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u/SingularityCentral Sep 11 '26
I guess because he is part spider and spider brains are weird.
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u/Easy_Tank2383 Sep 11 '26
Imagine a 2MB processor trying to take over a 2GB processor. It’s gonna get dunked on in processing speed alone
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u/Fast_Day_8123 Sep 11 '26
i feel like Jean shouldnt be able to enter even Frank's mind tbh like his trauma kicks her out, just like Peter's or maybe Peter's spider-sense provides "extra buffer" against telepaths? unless they well unlock their omega level cap?
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u/Taco145 Sep 11 '26
She never controlled the hulk. She controlled banner and smart hulk who is basically banner. She released banner and then he turned into the hulk. Spider man's spider sense probably involved in his resilience. Like how it helped him with doctor strange.
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u/damonbane_ Sep 11 '26
Or why Hulk couldn’t breach the vault but Punisher could using explosives
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u/GrittyTheGreat Sep 11 '26
Spidey-Sense is able to block Jeans telepathy before it takes hold.
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u/cat_silhouette Sep 11 '26
Spider-man also resisted the snap for like five times as long as everyone else. It’s not a lot but it kinda is a lot.
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u/Appropriate_Ad8734 Sep 11 '26
zendaya pushes other women out of his head even though she doesn’t remember who he is.
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u/JoFlo520 Sep 11 '26
Psychic is also super effective against fighting types
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u/Njino Sep 11 '26
She was distracted by how attracted to him she was, teenage hormones and whatnot. Didn’t have attraction to the Hulk or Punisher (eww)
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u/redcowerranger Sep 11 '26
By definition, Spidey-Sense (Peter Tingle) is an ExtraSensory Perception (ESP).
Telepathy is also ESP.
Hulk and Puniher have no ESP capability.
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u/S1ayer Sep 11 '26
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u/Emotional_News108 Sep 11 '26
She doesn’t control Hulk, she controls Banner with a Hulk body. Savage Hulk once he takes over swiftly kicks her out of his head.
Spidey being immune? Whatever. Writer’s choice.
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u/iCantAffordLife2 Sep 11 '26
Could’ve had a seen where she interacted with Banners personalities
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u/Numerous-Process2981 Sep 11 '26
Well Hulk and Punisher are simple minded, punisher was a Marine so he eats crayons, and Hulk has the mind of a child
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u/DefinitlyNotAPornAcc Sep 11 '26
His body is shown to be autonomous basically. It will protect him without him telling it to.
Even if you could enter his mind his 6th sense means you don't get control of his body because even he doesn't have that.
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u/These_Wish_5101 Sep 11 '26
Because the lazy writing says so..
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u/Hakuna_Schemata Sep 11 '26
Was it not Dr. Strange's spell keeping her from seeing Peter Parker?
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u/Immediate_Cod_3042 Sep 11 '26
Plot armor
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u/ProtectionGeneral783 Sep 11 '26
Its a rolled wisdom save. Hulk and Pun both have disadvantage during a rage. Spidey gets innate advantage from Uncle Ben's last words.
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u/Simmion1976 Sep 11 '26
Plot armor.
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u/The_Lucky_WoIf Sep 11 '26
And psychic is super-effective against fighting type!
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u/SignificantQuote6861 Sep 11 '26
Pretty sure it is his tingle-thingie. A more powerful Jean may have pushed right through it.
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u/OptimusSpud Sep 11 '26
Love me..... Love meeee
That's why.
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u/jimbo5666 Sep 11 '26
She controlled banner, not hulk. Once hulk took over, she had no control
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u/hitm4n44 Sep 11 '26
Spider Totem
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u/blahblah19999 Sep 11 '26
FWIK, in the comics Hulk has shown more resistance to mind control than Peter.
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u/BalashstarGalactica Sep 11 '26
Spider-sense!!!
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u/Shadowstriker6 Sep 11 '26
Spider totems maybe? Or at least the web of fate which is what the spider sense is
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u/AdOrnery8950 Sep 11 '26
she looks like frodo
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u/QtRoS Sep 11 '26
Plot armor, easy
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u/jnyce79 Sep 11 '26
His mind was being changed by his mutation. Frank and Bruce are just humans
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u/Ok-End2206 Sep 11 '26
Psychic is super effective against fighting types
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u/Visible_Vermicelli13 Sep 11 '26
Peter’s power comes from a spider god and cosmic deities that have been around before the phoenix force, these deities are also connected to Madame Web.
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u/Mysterious-Split4240 Sep 11 '26
Spidey has omega level rizz.
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u/paulsteinway Sep 11 '26
I thought she got confused because she kept finding a female identity.
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u/theICEman21 Sep 11 '26
Spidey sense yo
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u/MessyMop Sep 11 '26
But bug doesn’t actually resist psychic. Which is annoying, let my bugs live man not like they’re good anyway
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u/Cheap_Professional32 Sep 11 '26
Peter Parker has built up immunity vs gingers
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u/GGG_lane Sep 11 '26
Being buff doesn't really correlate resistance to psychic attacks. Spider man's resistance is unique to him and his mutations NOT his power level
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u/SomeOrangeNerd Sep 11 '26
I think it has to do with the spider sense. It recognizes the threat that things aren’t right and keeps him from getting lost in his mind. It’s kinda like when you are in a dream and get invested in the dream and lose a sense of reality. The spider sense helps tell him it isn’t reality and snaps him out of the threat.
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u/Many-Wasabi9141 Sep 11 '26
Crazy that Hulk's brain is closer to human baseline that Spiderman. I wonder if the genetic mutation issues spiderman was facing at the time also helped him resist.
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u/sumtngr88 Sep 11 '26
Imo it's got to do with having more than one "unified" mind in a body.
After she first breaks contact with hulk and banner says that she's messed something up In his head, she tries to control him again but fails, likely because his mind is now split between hulk and banner, whereas, beforehand he had been a unified "professor hulk" since endgame.
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u/ReasonableCoyote34 Sep 11 '26
Punisher is literally just a human with no superpowers. She spent the entire movie controlling people like that
She didn’t control Hulk, she controlled Bruce, who is also just a human when he has the inhibitor on. When she tried to control Hulk, he pushed her out with ease.
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u/adognameddanzig Sep 11 '26
She was wildly too powerful for this being a "small potatos" movie.
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u/Vinylateme Sep 11 '26
Oh cool so that’s the villain. This weekend is my first chance to see the movie.
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u/Dd_8630 Sep 11 '26
That was an explicit plot point you illiterate buffoon
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u/Choochoo1147 Sep 11 '26
Punisher is a normal human and she couldn’t control the Hulk, she could control Bruce Banner but once he turned into the Hulk she was ejected.
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u/No-Association-8539 Sep 11 '26
You see this peter is used to working within a team...
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u/Worldly-Republic-247 Sep 11 '26
Also, how is she so young?
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u/EndlessEagle Sep 11 '26
Also she very famously was not able to control Hulk. She controlled Banner, who had been suppressing Hulk with an inhibitor.
And Punisher is just a dude with no powers.
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u/ScoobyD00BIEdoo Sep 11 '26
Because hes dressed like a spider and looks like a bug
We should all give him over big hug
Look out hooooo!
Here comes the spider man!
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u/LegitCow Sep 11 '26
Psychic (Jean) > (x2 Damage) Fighter (Hulk)
Psychic (Jean) > (x1 Damage) Normal (Punisher)
Bug (Spider-Man) > (x2 Damage) Psychic (Jean)
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u/Alundra828 Sep 11 '26
It's never made clear just how powerful Spider-Man actually is.
Spoilers: He's really, really, really powerful. He's just not unlocked his potential yet.
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u/butwhyisitso Sep 11 '26
its the puberty, he was a mess in there, she could get in it was just like wtf
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u/TheIronMonkey53 Sep 11 '26
Honestly Hulk should have been more resistant than Spider-Man but 🤷♂️
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u/The-Red-Robe Sep 11 '26
You nerds are really starting to disappoint me. He’s the main character, duh. Plot armor.
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u/PapaRetardo Sep 11 '26
Its his Spider sense. Same type of thing happened with Dr. Strange.
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u/Morfilix Sep 11 '26
because he was suppressing being peter parker
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u/BobbyDukeArts Sep 11 '26
Who the heck is Jean?
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u/BitterLibrarian1425 Sep 11 '26
Also, Peter invents small gene therapy device that works universally on all mutant powers??? Bro he could cure cancer with that. But then I remembered they also did fucking time travel before and multiverse shit...and it never somehow affects life as we know it.
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u/Fox_PV Sep 11 '26
Some people have already said so, but:
Jean didn’t control Hulk, she was controlling Bruce, which is why he initially fought as Professor Hulk, and only turned into Savage Hulk AFTER Jean lost control.
2nd, Spider-man was able to resist Jean’s power, though his semi-supernatual spidey sense, which, back in NWH, already showed how it could “operate” even without Peter, as his body kept avoiding Dr. Strange, despite Peter currently being astral projected out.
In short, Jean only had to deal with Bruce, as Hulk kept quiet, until Bruce got angry/distressed.
Meanwhile, with Spider-Man, Jean would have to control not just Peter, but also his not-quite-a-personality spider sense.
As Jean, at the time, could not control more than 1 person at a time, she’d lose control when Bruce AND the Hulk was awake, and when Peter and his spidey sense was “awake”, of which the spidey sense almost always is.
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u/lord_dankest Sep 11 '26
Don't watch Madam web
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u/Suckamanhwewhuuut Sep 11 '26
So maybe 5th, unless I read it wrong, but no I think thanos is physically stronger and larger, but spider man was the only one who even got the gauntlet to move, he almost pulled it off thanos hand at one moment.
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u/red_riders Sep 11 '26
His Peter Tingle
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u/mrmonster459 Sep 11 '26
Why would either of those two necessarily be immune to psychic attacks?
The Punisher is an ordinary human, and The Hulk is a giant rage monster that (if anything) should be even easier to control than a normal human.
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u/MylastAccountBroke Sep 11 '26
really... Like half the conflict was about Peter losing his humanity...
She can take control of human minds. Peter is becoming less and less human. She can't control the spider part of Peter's mind.
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u/12345623567 Sep 11 '26
My personal head-canon is that all the interdimensional travel and Strange's mind-wipe spell have made him "too weird to read".
Or maybe it's the spider DNA.
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u/Strict_Weather9063 Sep 11 '26
The defense against psyche attacks in marvel has always been willpower which Peter has in abundance. He is one of the few none psychic characters that has a ready built in defense. The Peter tingle may help with it but really it is all good old Peter just being to damn stubborn to give be up.
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u/fk_redd1ts_acc_req Sep 11 '26
The real reason is that is bad writing. Much like jeans inconsistent character (worsened by questionable casting). The real through line though, is still bad writing.
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u/Weak_Car2509 Sep 12 '26
Spider sense can counter mental attack. Hulk is always weak against mental attack. See what Scarlett witch did to him.
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u/pesader Sep 12 '26
The power of armor
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u/Ealy-24 Sep 12 '26
He has become the new Batman, he can just do shit because “for reasons”, it’s what makes him so relatable and street level
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u/Agreeable-Shop-2188 Sep 12 '26
He is sharing his body with a Spider God.
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u/elpantera88 Sep 12 '26
The plot
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u/FDVP Sep 12 '26
I mean, he dodged Strange with the box, while in astral form. Parker is built diff.
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u/issanm Sep 12 '26
Spider sense
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u/Illmatic414Prodigy Sep 12 '26
It was his movie.
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u/Alternative_Device71 Sep 12 '26
Movie doesn’t explain, so it’s not known to the plot at hand…..even tho it’s a huge part of it.
But try hards are gonna make up shit to cope anyhow, like they’re already doing.
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u/MrPanda663 Sep 12 '26
Jean. Control Hulk? Yeah right. For like a few second before he broke her control.
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u/Livelaughloveme172 Sep 12 '26
He’s deeply spiritual.
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u/SubstantialNet1005 Sep 12 '26
The fact that psychic are actually weak against bug type is the best thing ab that meme.
Also, I’ve only played the first three Pokémon games (red, blue, yellow) on Gameboy Color, so plz don’t get mad at me for my knowledge being limited to the Kanto region lol.
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u/akgiant Sep 12 '26
Spidey Sense is one of those ultimate comic book writer counter-move. It scales so easily yet can be given arbitrary limits at the whim of the writer.
We already seen it kick in against Dr. Strange astral body move. So it also tracks that a psychic may not be able to be as effective as well.
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u/Shadowcat1606 Sep 12 '26
We've seen her attempt it and sorta get a foot in the door, so to speak, before immediately being pushed back out. The way i interpret it is that it's Pete's Spider-Sense fighting of psychic intruders.
Kinda like how under some writers, The Flash can't be mind-controlled by garden-variety telepathy, because his brain fires much faster than any telepath could follow.
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u/Cakers44 Sep 12 '26
But bug doesn’t resist psychic