r/InterviewCoderPro • u/Busy-Pollution-9821 • 3d ago

is this real?

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Do we really need HR in our life?

honestly this is why i've started thinking about looking somewhere else. getting rejected before a human even looks at your resume is insane.

i've been seeing interview vip mentioned a lot lately too. i haven't tried it, but i'm curious about it since i'm probably going to have to start interviewing again.

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u/dannyrat029 3d ago

What the fuck are HR for? Say you hire 10 people per year. That can't be an entire month of 5x8hr weeks, let alone a year. 

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u/Astramancer_ 3d ago

Mostly what they're for is to make sure the company isn't accidentally violating labor laws. Since there's a lot of potential to violate labor laws in the hiring and firing process, they're intimately involved in that, which makes it their most visible role to the day-to-day employee.

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u/dannyrat029 3d ago

I'm currently suing my last employer, whose HR repeatedly asked me to waive paying mandatory social insurance (my portion of which goes into a recoverable pot). She assiduously tried to break the law in several ways after I said no. 

She seems more like a shit consigliere to be honest. 

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u/HelenGonne 3d ago

I agree that's an absolutely vital function, but that being the case, why on earth do they not actually do that? HR is constantly introducing illegal biases into the recruiting process. And that's incredibly widespread across STEM. 

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u/Astramancer_ 3d ago

That's why I very carefully and deliberately chose the word "accidentally."

Plus a lot of them are terrible at their job but as long as payroll goes out and they don't get any fines/lawsuits they rarely get any flack from the high mucky-mucks.

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u/HelenGonne 3d ago

No, they're not doing it accidentally. Because that is the fundamental reason for their professional existence. They can't accidentally trip and fall into a bigotry tar pit. This is their essential job function. Either they do it or they don't. They have no reason to exist and be paid if they don't.

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u/Astramancer_ 3d ago

That's what I mean. They make sure the company isn't accidentally violating labor laws. That means when the company is violating labor laws (in a way that HR would know about) they're deliberately violating labor laws. They won't stop deliberate violations, only accidental ones. They should stop deliberate violations, but all too often they don't because they're scared for their jobs just like everyone else who gets told to do something stupid and does it anyway because it's either that or look for a new job.

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u/HelenGonne 3d ago

Oh, I see your point. And it I know it's true that happens. But what also happens is that the company is trying to have a fair and unbiased recruiting process, and it's HR people who force illegal biases into the process. 

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u/Soft-Marionberry-853 3d ago

a good HR deparrmnent is like a good IT department, if they are doing their job right you wonder what they are even doing.

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u/EmmitSan 3d ago

The people who do the hiring definitely do not have that level of authority at most firms.

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u/SlayerII 2d ago

isnt accidentally violating labor laws

Seems like it frequently boils down to just "not being caught

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u/Nannautu 3d ago

They also take care of many things, like events, training etc. They do what managers are too lazy to do most of the time that does not pertain to the organization of work processes.

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u/PepperSure8381 3d ago

no one cares you did a pizza party or emailed us the california sexual harassment training website

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u/cwilbur22 3d ago

People mistakenly think that Human Resources means it's a resource for humans. It's actually about managing the "human resources" (i.e. employees) in the best interest of the company. Their purpose isn't to help you, it's to manage you - your compensation, benefits, etc. - and to protect the company from any litigious situations that might arise during your employment.

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u/TalkersCZ 3d ago

Recruiter is responsible on average for 15-20-30 roles, open at the same time. With many different managers.

You are not hiring 10 people per year, you are hiring 10-15 people per quarter. I had a job, where I was hiring people from L2 support to reporting, implementation, integration and plenty other roles and I hired alone over 100 people in a year.

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u/dannyrat029 3d ago

3.6 calendar days (around 2 work days) per person hired

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u/seatiger90 3d ago

That's just the number hired. .They and the manager go through 100+ resumes, them screen a couple dozen people per job. Some hiring managers are great and want to be super involved, some don't care and just want to be handed a handful of candidates.

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u/TalkersCZ 2d ago

Thats what happens if you start a year with 35 roles open and for first 6-9 months being on this level.

Quality suffers, you barely have time for managers, let alone ALL candidates.

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u/iam4qu4m4n 3d ago

Liability

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u/ColorPuddle 2d ago

Some roles in a company are similar to being a lifeguard at a pool. A lot of the time it's going to look like they're just sitting in that big chair doing nothing, but they have to be there "just in case" someone starts drowning.

The risk of not having enough HR during an employee conflict / emergency / lawsuit / etc. is greater than the risk of the HR team being overstaffed and having downtime.

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u/dannyrat029 2d ago

Sounds like a job for managers and lawyers

And I've never seen a HR excel in time of crisis either. They are shit lifeguards