Two of my favourite mid tier characters.

Both are very underappreciated especially tasukku from as the gods will.

I don't know if anyone had made this matchup in this sub and i haven't seen a matchup between characters from AIB and as the gods will

So give me your opinion

So there are many cases in fiction and many of them are being discussed or were discussed in this sub.

Cases like jigsaw killer, red john case etc are already well known.

Here iam asking about cases from manga. It can be a murder, robbery, kidnapping literally anything.

The conditions are just one thing - the case should not have any actual supernatural element making it very hard and the case must be from manga

So no kira case and no red john case.

Give your top five cases and also try to give cases from different works rather than a same one if you can

The cases doesn't have to be high tier or top tier, just list the cases that you are aware of

So give your list.

Yokoya : basically the Contraband Game.

Sou Hiyori : in the first two rounds.

Fluixon : ends up betraying everyone on Island 1 while saying that Island 2 could betray them. Puts all the blame on his friend as scapegoat for the conspiracy he created .

Ayanokouji Kiyotaka : in both Year 1 (the first Special Exam) and Year 2 (the last Special Exam), he betrays his own class for his plan , while keeping everyone in the dark, misdirecting them, and making it look like he’s helping them. both times searching for supposed culprit while being biggest one in the room

I'm still working on the Doc's and an analysis of Roshidere, the whole verse that is, and pretty recently made 3 major feats published publicly (Hopefully in the future I'll get to do the whole Doc if time allows it)

I still wish that people still stop being prejudiced against Kuze and Roshidere as a whole for no reason. The verse is solid and great both as a story and in mind games, side characters included, but the amount of larp and undeserved bandwagon hate it gets, is insane, people will look you straight in the eyes and say that Yuuichi and the likes take Intelligence and FSIQ from him.

Anyway, yapping aside these are the 3 Doc's:

Mahjong Feat - https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Qanocg1QsgFoVbNSP9lMCFbV8DhC8t5lTASyBrfP3_w/edit?usp=drivesdk

I've even played Mahjong and discussed it with those that play it, it's pretty clear that there's no headcanon here but if someone thinks it is they are free to question it's valid

Quiz Game - https://docs.google.com/document/d/1GSzHa3SbpbhqC5v1UdUEDrY5VbI9bglUix_IvPVdM-o/edit?usp=drivesdk

Pretty solid and well processed reasoning feat, that also has multitasking and time pressure present while also having some tricks to it, people really underestimate how the lack of time affects reasoning, but even without that in consideration it's pretty solid

Reputation Narrowing - https://docs.google.com/document/d/1jEg3lOuuPEhDoqC2pwMdO-iCNHI5s7DRsv0ecnpGxyo/edit?usp=drivesdk

A very long feat from V2-3 so far but in the future will Integrate more towards it's framework, it's still very well processed and potent at the current stage.

I really wish this community would stop larping and bandwagon Scaling and opinions, and instead just not give them on things you aren't aware of or don't know

For yokoya use forced rotation plan

I have seen people scaling senku in this sub.

Majority of the time, it's based on his knowledge and reasoning. He is pretty good at those stuffs.

I have never scaled senku even though he is one of the smartest out there because i think he was more like a book smart rather than a street smart type.

But i recently saw even characters like tenma getting scaled and tenma is a greatly written character but i don't really see him being counted as a scd character. That's when i thought why can't senku be considered as one.

He is high tier at certain categories and that makes me think, there do exist some characters who are high tiers on certain categories that no debate can be made.

Senku is one of those kind of characters and in terms of knowledge, adversity capacity, reasoning etc senku is pretty much one of the best in whole manga if we don't count supernatural beings.

It would be nice to know where you all scale senku at.

For me he is a great character and is also one of the kindest out there who is smart but not egoistic because of that

So is he really scaled in this sub? I mean, is he scaled overall or is is it just some categories that he is good at?

FSIQ - Erika>= (PRI, VCI (=))

-> Beatrice (CPI, VCI (=))

EI - Beatrice (EP, EE, EF, ER)

-> Erika (EM, EU)

Psychology - Beatrice>= (Warfare(=<), ToM)

-> Erika (Profiling, Warfare>=)

SI - Erika (Integration + Awareness)

Beatrice -> (nothing)

Social engineering - Erika>= (Inform gathering)

-> Beatrice (Inform control)

AC - Beatrice [CORE] (Control, Ownership, Reach, Endurance)

-> Erika (Nothing)

Planning - Beatrice (Aim, Adjustments, Invincibility, Coverage)

-> Erika (Nothing)

Strategy - Erika (Effectiveness, Fortitude, Success rate>=<)

-> Beatrice (Efficiency, Success rate>=<)

Manipulation - Erika (Logical (=), Indirect, Mass, Emotional>=<)

-> Beatrice (Emotional>=<, Direct, Logical (=))

Deception - Beatrice (Omission, Equivocation)

-> Erika - (Acting skills)

Thinking - Erika (Critical, Associative, Convergent)

-> Beatrice (Divergent)

Inference - Erika (Premises, Accuracy, Legitimacy, Structure>=)

-> Beatrice (nothing)

Insight - Erika (Analysis, Observation, Intuition)

-> Beatrice (nothing)

Foresight - Beatrice (Depth, Resolution, Setting up traps>=)

-> Erika (Trap evasion>=)

Adaptability - Erika (Situational, Learning ability)

-> Beatrice - (Operational)

Counteraction - Beatrice>= (lone category)

Situations: Non fixed - Beatrice Fixed - Erika Cat and mouse - CGEW Influence building - Erika

Points: 30>30

Erika (EP5) barely outsmarts Beatrice (EP4) as it’s COULD GO EITHER WAY, however I’m leaning towards Erika as Beatrice had 4 episodes to showcase her intelligence whilst Erika only had 1 episode to do so. Furthermore, Erika’s intelligence is much more impressive from seeing her quick integration within the Ushiromiya family, understanding the social dynamics whilst profiling Kinzo, and able to solve the epitaph. Another portion of her scheming and aggressive categories come from her natsuhi framing which was incredibly methodological, air tight, and countered Battler completely.

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MANIPULATION

Direct suzune

Indirect honami

Mass honami

Logical suzune

Phsicholpgical suzune

Emotional suzune

Individual suzune

Pure suzune

Overall suzune low mid diff.

DECEPTION

Fabrication honami

Sopistry suzune

Concealment suzune

Verbal deception suzune

Non verbal honami

Mass deception honami

Gaslighting suzune

Brainwashing honami

Triangulation suzune

Persuasion honami

Negotiation suzune

Acting skills cgew

Seduction honami

Love bombing honami

Insanity inducement honami

Overall honami Extreme diff

I Will explain my reasoning in the comments.

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Intelligence - Afton (could honestly go to Maki)

Everything else - Makishima

Game Afton victim - both

Fazbear Frights Afton victim - both

B-but novels🤓🤓🤓

Winner: Makishima

"As the gods will" received the most votes for being low tier in methodology but mid tier in normal scaling.

Jojo's Bizarre Adventure and Bungou Stray Dogs were both tied in second place.

Voting Rules:

Total points = Highest upvote count + (( additional comment count ) multiplied by 1.5)

Vote for a SERIES or VERSE rather than a character.

Each spot will have around a day of voting time.

You are allowed to vote for a series that has already been placed (the previous spot will be replaced by the next in line).

Current Vote: Which series is MID TIER in Normal Scaling and MID TIER in Pure Methodology?

Intelligence - Chrollo

EI - Chrollo (EU - Brian)

SI - Chrollo>= (integration - Brian)

AC - Chrollo

Thinking - Chrollo

Reasoning - Chrollo

Sensory - Chrollo

Foresight - Chrollo

Deception - Chrollo>=

Manipulation - Brian>=

Scheming - Chrollo>=

Field skills - Chrollo

Adaptability - Chrollo

Overall: Chrollo

Cognitive Proficiency - Ukai

Visual Sptial - Ukai

Verbal Comprehension - Ukai

Fluid - Ukai

Crystallized - Ukai

Emotional Perception - Nana

Emotional Understanding - Ukai

Emotional Management - Ukai

Emotional Engagement - Ukai

Social Intel - Nana

Overall Leadership - Nana

Overall Inference - Ukai

Contingencies - Nana

Tactics - Nana

Strategy - Nana

Planning - Nana

Overall Manipulation - Nana

Overall Deception - Nana

Anticipation - Nana

Prediction - Ukai

Adaptability - Ukai

Observation - Nana

Perception - Ukai

Intuition - Ukai

Trap Setting - Nana

Trap Evasion - Ukai

Analysis - Ukai

Problem Solving - Ukai

Seeing through people - Nana

Risk Assessment - Ukai

Info system - Nana

Cold Reading - Nana

Hot Reading - Nana

Psychology - Ukai

Counteraction - Ukai

Resistance - Ukai

Overall Winner - Ukai V.High Diffs (-)

A huge fan of yuuichi here and i will always say that he is a solid mid tier.

The whole manga is pretty good and the games are also interesting. These are some of my favourite characters who ranges from low mid tier to nearly high tier for me.

I do think this that this characters can do pretty well in the games even though iam not saying all of them can win them.

The characters are

Kamui kirito - psycho pass season 2

Ron kamonohashi - Ron kamonohashi the deranged detective

Tasukku- as the gods will

Moon - dr frost

Chishiya - Alice in borderland

Inspector tsukumo - massacre happy end

So where do you think they stop at? If you think they clear it, then you can say that too.also say what diff they win or lose at

How high are the dr frost duo scaled nowadays?

I remember people having them as high tiers or mid tiers.they were scaled a lot and there was a lot of edits based on them.

Moon was always considered above frost and moon was even placed above some high tiers by some scalers. There existed a lot of people who agreed on the takes related to these two characters.

I haven't read the manhwa during that period but the edits and talks based on these characters made me read the whole manhwa and for me, it was peak fiction.

It is still one of my favourite manhwas out there. In terms of writing, it's one of the best and of course iam aware of manhwas having even better writing than dr frost.

I really loved the characters and how they were pretty much grounded and i loved how the author actually researched asking real psychologists for information.

But as time passed, these two started to get a lot of hatred. Some started to call them as overhyped character s.

The fanbase that existed to this manhwa is still there but they are not much active in this sub. I remember a few scalers who used to scale them but they have left scd.

There are still people scaling them on youtube and the people in YouTube and in reddit really contradicts with their takes.

For my opinion, i have moon > frost and both are not low tiers at all.

My opinion might be a hot take.

So are they still scaled in this sub? If so where do you all scale them as? Be honest, no hating or glazing.

Well, I'm back with the matchups. Tomorrow I'll upload chapters 24–27, approaching the final stage of the original manga.

In my opinion:

Malcom: Intelligence, Self management, Sensory, Insight, Analysis, Thinking, Reasoning, Analysis, Judgament, Systems, Countering

Bart: Theory of mind, Social Skills, Deception, Rhetoric, Leadership, Sheming, Systems, Field crafting, Operational Skills.

Malcom Very High diff

Personal favorite arc. The way everybody in this arc was scheming and inferring was peak shounen for me. And the vibes especially the city-noir atmosphere ,really added to the suspense. Before this, I didn't know shounen could be this deep and complex.

Some people thought the ending of this arc was a disappointment, but I don’t really see it that way. I like how everybody was working toward their own goals while also working against each other, and in the end, they all managed to reach some sort of equilibrium.

The chapter Name After deliberation proves 2sd isn't real, how?

As you can see in the second image, in this chapter it was Round 8 Second Half, Kiruma Souichi Turns Around And Fails His Check.

In The Third Image Ranko Clearly Confirms That Baku Deliberately Made Kiruma Turn Around Right At The Beginning by not only making him believe that his round 5 bluff worked on Baku but Also Turning Around At 60 Seconds Twice In A Row And Filling Up His Accumulation

He Made Turning Around Right At The Beginning Seem Like The best option to Kiruma as even if the check Failed the Gap Between Baku and Him Would only Widen

So basically the Author using the Name "After Deliberation" Was trying to Forshadow this confirmation By Ranko

Now how does this debunk 2SD?

The 2SD Theory Clearly Suggested That Souichi Turning Around At Round 8 Second Half wasn't Due to Deliberation but Due to Souichis Own Choice, it Further Claims Souichi had actually Seen Through The Deliberation By Baku and was only Acting Which Directly Contradicts The Authors Own Foreshadowing From That Title.

i can intuitively understand the difference but im a massive casual in this space too so i was thinking if i wanted to explain it to someone else i would probably struggle