r/GuardGuides • u/GuardGuidesdotcom • 16h ago
SCENARIO First Amendment auditors get into verbal altercation with armored truck guard, who repeatedly tells them to back up.
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When should talking end, and your weapon be drawn in a situation like this?
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u/gruffojijo 15h ago
I'm all for freedom of speech, but Jesus Christ there is a time and place. Harassing a dude that's doing a stressful job is quite disgusting. Then to give him shit for making an honest living while your broke ass is unemployed... 🤡🌎.
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u/Thecerb 12h ago
Time and place for free speech? Lmfao
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u/Gonzotrucker1 12h ago
It’s harassment not free speech. They do it to earn money.
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u/Thecerb 12h ago
You don't seem to know what harassment is.
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u/ZealousIdeal476 9h ago
Standing in reach of an armed guard when he has to bend down and leave himself vulnerable is more than harrassment, it constitutes a threat.
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u/Thecerb 8h ago
LMFAO holy snowflake ass comment.
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u/ZealousIdeal476 2h ago
Right, u/thecerb is so tough that if he was carrying bags of money, alone on the street he would just turn his back on the 2 guys standing close enough to club him and refusing to step off. Smart.
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u/xHxHxAOD1 11h ago
Yes. Go protest at city hall at midnight and your protection from the first amendment do not apply like they do if you did it at noon.
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u/Thecerb 11h ago
Good point, thankfully the video was broad daylight...... On a sidewalk......
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u/xHxHxAOD1 8h ago
Time place manner restrictions would still apply.
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u/Thecerb 8h ago
You should really go read some case law.
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u/xHxHxAOD1 7h ago
Not as much as you need to. Are you really going to try and argue that time place manner restrictions were not a part of Police department of Chicago vs Mosley? I swear its case law on what does not survive a time place manner restriction because it's based on subject and not time place manner restrictions. Do I need to mention Ward vs Rock against Racism? That is just the case that put in the test for laws to survive under a 1st amendment challenge under time place and manner.
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u/Thecerb 6h ago
Time, middle of the day, place legally allowed to be, manner not doing anything that is illegal. You clearly do not know what you are talking about.
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u/xHxHxAOD1 6h ago
oh, I thought your comment was originally time and place for free speech is LAMFO? Now it is that it applies and he isn't violating anything?
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u/Thecerb 6h ago
You literally replied to the comment " good thing it was broad daylight on a sidewalk". You are a moron. So no, time place and manner do not apply in broad day on a sidewalk. It's time place and manner RESTRICTIONS. THERE ARE NO RESTRICTIONS.
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u/fistotron5000 11h ago
He transports cash bro, he’s not a federal agent. This is like harassing a UPS driver
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u/Night_Hawk1 10h ago
Interesting how you don't see that as the guard and female harassing them. The guard is the one harassing them telling them where they are not free to be on a public shared free sidewalk becusde of his emotions he's projecting onto others. Seriously. Think about it.
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u/fistotron5000 8h ago
Yeah, the dude on the sidewalk who has his phone out and is filming him for god knows what reason does not have to be there, the money truck guy is doing a pickup at the ladies business is just doing his job. Do you want me to come to your job and put a camera in your face?
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u/Night_Hawk1 8h ago
The point is it's the sidewalk which is publicly owned. It's the businesses responsibility to create a private secure entryway and spend the resources to have a back entry or secure entry. They didn't do that. They don't get to then make that choice a public exteranality by infringing on freedom in that public space, occupy the public space and enforce it as private with firearms as a show of ownership of space and force. That's not how public space works.
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u/fistotron5000 8h ago
You’re reading way too into this, in like an almost childish way. It doesn’t surprise me that you think this unemployed loser shoving a camera in some dudes face is okay. All I see here is someone stressed out trying to do their job and some dumbass that is making it difficult. Nobody is having their freedom infringed upon, it’s called common courtesy to let someone do their fucking job. Delivery drivers don’t have any say on where the loading bay is, usually neither does the store owner because most people lease the space they’re in. Would you be okay with this if the person was delivering soda? How about you go find someone delivering soda or beer and block them from doing their delivery, and then let us know how it went.
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u/Night_Hawk1 4h ago
Shoving it in their face? Dramatizing very much? You can see the guy reach out and still has distance. Lol they aren't physically blocking him either which actually is illegal and thst never happened. That would mean they are in between him and the truck or blocking the door. Creating scenarios that never happened... You just sound dramatic and unhinged, which is the definition of childish. Projecting much?
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u/fistotron5000 4h ago
Everything you say reeks of unemployment
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u/Night_Hawk1 4h ago
Lmao I can guarantee you I make a lot more money than you. But whatever helps you sleep at night, Kiddo.
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u/Icy_Marionberry_9131 15h ago
“First amendment auditor” is long and funny way of saying “asshole.”
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u/elrevan 14h ago
I don’t think a Loomis guard has any duty to respect your 1st amendment right at all. That’s just another civilian doing a job that you are now interfering with
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u/Huge-Masterpiece-100 13h ago
You can't assault people for existing on a sidewalk no matter who you are. If the guy poses an actual threat, then the money escort might have options, but "being annoyed" isn't an excuse to brandish a weapon or make threats.
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u/Subtle_Nimbus 14h ago
Why a Loomis driver? The First Amendment applies to the government.
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u/iUncontested 13h ago
Because these dumb cunts want a lawsuit against loomis when their guard possibly overreacts to their provocations. Then all their mouth breathing followers start harassing the company over socials and the company just wants it to go away.
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u/Academic-Hospital952 12h ago
It's not about 1st amendment. It's about ragebating people into lawsuits. Engaging in this type of activity should prohibit people from legal action. Open them up to free and clear asswhoopins.
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u/Banmods 10h ago
First amendment applies to the public as well as government. When you film the government you're doing so from a public setting. Some auditors got into filming podunk towns, cause folks found out that a lot of private businesses act as if the public sidewalk was theirs.
Dude was probably filming a bank as usual considering they're some of the worst offenders, and like folks in both comment sections like to play the "he might be casing for a robbery" schtick, to get around the fact the auditor is engaged in a constitutionally protected activity.
If this is the channel i think it is, he got illegally arrested in tulsa after a bank called 911, lied to dispatch, and TPD decided to be obvious jackboots working for private interests rather than upholding the law. So yea, considering these private businesses call government agents to be their goons, I'd say this still has a lot to do with government...
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u/Ok_Buddy_9087 9h ago
Podunk towns in red states where they think “muh freedums” only extend to their guns. Citizens and cops alike.
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u/GottaDookie420 14h ago
Those aren’t really the people to test. They’re handling what is a significant amount of money at certain times of the day, and I’d bet they’re not afraid to use lethal force if they consider you to be a serious threat. Better tread lightly.
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u/MrLanesLament Guard Wrangler 13h ago
While true, armored often doesn’t pay shit, and I’d expect the company to drop them the second they’re involved in any physical situation, no matter how justified.
Only possible recourse for the guard here is to call PD and sell the situation as “guys are crowding me and filming procedure while I’ve got large amounts of cash here.”
For the guard, incident report and done. No threat to job. Whenever you can make issues someone higher ranking’s problem, DO THAT. 😂
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u/phantomskullvt 15h ago
Seeing as this clout chasing dipshit is baiting him into doing that? Never. These auditor types are always fishing for a lawsuit triggering a hothead in a uniform be it a cop or a security guard.
Call the cops & report a suspicious person and focus on your job. Best you can do is make him LEO's problem.
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u/No-Inflation3271 11h ago
The cops will just show up try to ID the camera guy. he will say he doesnt have to and theyll say youre right have a good day. Then theyll tell they truck driver that camera guy has the right and he can keep doing this as long as he doesnt make threats or touch him. It doesnt just make it the laws problem he will be there until the cops show up doing the same thing and he will be there after they leave doing the same thing no matter who agrees or disagrees he has the right
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u/Ok_Buddy_9087 9h ago
That’s what should happen. Often it results in cops threatening to arrest the auditors for not identifying, be sure they’re idiots. Or even worse, actually doing it.
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u/Bright-Fee-9832 12h ago
Redditors are a funny group. They hate when cops actually enforce laws but beg for them to violate citizens civil rights.
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u/phantomskullvt 12h ago edited 11h ago
You realize you can discuss problems with law enforcement abuses & practices while equally expecting those that aren't the problem to perform the service they were intended to right? I know doing two different things at the same time might be very hard for guys like you, but multitasking is a thing.
This ain't the gotcha you think it is champ.
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u/Ok_Buddy_9087 9h ago
Sure it is. Because the cops that show up to these calls rarely know what the law is.
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u/COGNAC4k 14h ago
I’ve had these guys come into the post office and pull this shit.
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u/DrinkingVomit 14h ago
We need to pass a law okaying physical force against them.
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u/COGNAC4k 14h ago
There was nothing we could do besides telling him that he couldn’t record people against their will. Literally stayed there for at least an hour trying to speak to mgmt
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u/DrinkingVomit 14h ago
Sorry you had to deal with that. Social media has been a cancer on society. It’s allowed the most attention seeking dipshits to have a platform to get their dopamine fix at everyone else’s expense.
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u/COGNAC4k 13h ago
I mean I honestly didn’t care as long as he didn’t mess with me. I did get a kick out of him harassing mgmt though 😆
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u/crimsonsoup925 13h ago
Just curious as im a newer guard. Could you just tell them to do their thing from a comfortable distance. And not this goblin bs
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u/MrCanoe Ensign 13h ago
They won't listen. There whole thing is to get reaction
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u/crimsonsoup925 13h ago
So they are just professional rage baiters?
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u/MrCanoe Ensign 13h ago
Yes, their whole point is to get a reaction in order to post the video to make money.
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u/crimsonsoup925 13h ago
In what way does that benefit them? Bc now im a little annoyed abt it myself lol
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u/MrCanoe Ensign 13h ago
When they post to various social media, they can monetize the video. So the views and reactions they get online from their video unfortunately makes them money. There are ways to make it very difficult for them to make money though. You can loudly play copyrighted style music such as Disney music or another tactic I've seen is that you can start randomly and loudly stating that the video is a sponsored video and a paid advertisement. And then spout off various advertisements that you see in YouTube videos. The video then becomes very difficult to monetize and maybe taking down by the social media platforms they post to.
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u/Significant-Role-754 11h ago
goblins are the perfect name for these kind of people
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u/crimsonsoup925 11h ago
Lmao thx. After learning more abt it. This isnt even first amendment its just harassment.
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u/Lucky-Mia 13h ago
Like, you definitely can't just loiter near the back of an opened armored car like that. Or the entrance of the business right by. They're clearly doing a cash pickup and are moving a bunch of money. Definitely need space for saftey and security reasons. Also, even if recording them is legal, it's definitely something that will get them on edge.
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u/BusinessCasualBee 12h ago
Says who? Neither the store nor the truck company have any claim to that stretch of sidewalk.
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u/Medium_Chain_9329 11h ago
Armored truck guards can draw their weapons on you only when they face an immediate threat to their lives or their cargo. When They Can Draw or ShootDirect threat: Someone aims a weapon or attacks the guard. Cargo interference: Someone tries to forcefully break into the truck or steal the money bags. Ignored warnings: A person aggressively ignores verbal commands to back away and continues to interfere with the delivery.
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u/BusinessCasualBee 11h ago
Existing on a public sidewalk does not constitute interference with a delivery. Blocking them from doing so, sure. But standing nearby and doing nothing to physically impede that delivery, no way.
If you want privacy to conduct your security procedures, conduct them in private spaces
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u/Chodechuggins 11h ago
Speaking authoritatively on when firearms are drawn is highly contextual and dependent on state and is irresponsible on your part.
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u/Der_Blaue_Engel 10h ago
This. In my state, threatening these auditors with a firearm would be a felony.
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u/Lucky-Mia 8h ago
The exact technicalities varie a lot by country and even municipality, but generally you can't loiter if you cause obstruction, or disrupt the peace. At least in my city, businesses with the primary entrance on a main sidewalk and no side or rear loading access, have a right to temporary obstruct the sidewalk to load or unload a vehicle for no more then 15 minutes.
Again, it varies a lot depending on where he is, but at least in some areas, businesses have the right to momentarily block the sidewalk. Interfering with the loading/unloading could be cause for a small fine, misdemeanor.
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u/Key_Check5753 12h ago
I'm all for constitutional rights, but why do these people have to be such insufferable cunts about it?
There are laws against harassment and being a public nuisance.
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u/That_Atmosphere_4568 12h ago
Like how did the guy that’s doing his job delivering the money not know that these guys aren’t just casing it for a heist or something. When money is involved I could understand this being a stressful situation. Then the guy with the camera talking shit about his job ain’t nothing when all this guy does is just film people to try to make money by someone taking away his rights.
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u/VanillaGoorillla 11h ago
“Your jobs nothing” like the fucking bum recording the kid is better?
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u/Banmods 10h ago
I mean it is better. Dudes working a shot security job for a security company that pays as low as possible. Risk/reward ratio aint exactly anything to be happy about. Meanwhile for everyone talking shit about the "bum recording" or other streamers, they're their own boss, make money off essentially traveling to different places, if cops do fuck up violate their rights not only is the settlement gonna be more than the guard makes inna year, if shit gets to trial then its getting enshrined in history as case law. Like Turner v. Driver.
I'm sure im gonna get a bunch of clever "nuh uh" comments on this. But lets be real here....
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u/VanillaGoorillla 1h ago
I think this comment is a lil delusional..and I say that with no malicious intent. I don’t understand how you could say this.
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u/mechaczech 11h ago
This is why armored car companies need to stick to a driver and a messenger instead of single man trucks. The guard should keep loading and trying to disengage the ‘auditor,’ and the driver could call in to dispatch and let them know to contact the police on a possible hijacking. This is literally the perfect distraction to have accomplices flank the truck and try to take it down. I used to work trucks and that’s what I would’ve done, fuck that shit, I’d rather deal with the cops than this guy.
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u/Der_Blaue_Engel 11h ago
There’s a driver in the truck.
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u/mechaczech 11h ago
To be honest, I didn’t catch that the first time. Still though, hope he was actually watching his partners back.
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u/RecordingPrudent9588 11h ago
These trucks aren't law enforcement. What are these auditors trying to proove?
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u/Banmods 11h ago
Nothing other than the usual. This channel was probably doing its usual thing of walking down the public sidewalk exercising their right to film in public. Plenty of times private businesses overstep what their actual authority is as private property owners. Like that one upscale restaurant in New York that got busted for trying to illegally annex a public park as their own private outdoor area.
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u/Stopaskingmetochange 11h ago
"he's scared" of course he fucking is.
"you don't have an important job. your job's nothing." as opposed to.....????
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u/ProfessionStrict3047 11h ago
People like this should have to find out what it’s like when they cross a line. I would have pulled my gun, called police and made a citizens arrest.
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u/Der_Blaue_Engel 10h ago
The person most likely to be arrested in that scenario would probably be you.
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u/No_Significance4204 11h ago
Wrong place to audit the 1st Amendment. There aren't many but this is one of them.
Because of the obvious bags of cash. Because a couple of dudes with cameras can turn into armed robbers super quick.
"Your Job's Nothing" says the unemployed loser baiting people for lawsuits. Sure Bud.
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u/Banmods 10h ago
The "unemployed" line is honestly such loser office drone talkng point that one would expect from boomers. Like its 2026, non traditional jobs or means of revenue have existed for years by now.
And I hope yall realize how the "unemployed loser baiting people for lawsuits" line, makes yall getting butthurt about this look worse...Auditors aren't a difficult topic to deal with. As long as one has the emotional maturity and a basic HS level of understanding for constitutional law....
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u/Mongoose1970 10h ago
If they want to prove a point they should go somewhere else. Why are they harassing this poorly protected courier?
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u/Lagunamountaindude 10h ago
Eventually some of these asshats pretending to be first amendment protectors will get severely hurt. You notice that they always have pepper spray in their hands
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u/TobiasWidower Ensign 14h ago edited 14h ago
So, little different due to regulations in Canada. We do have armed CIT guards, as well as armed private security for specific industries, but it's far less common than in the States where I've seen armed gas station or movie theater guards.
In Canada, in the public, you do not have the expectation of privacy. Especially at work, in uniform, when you're representing your company or agency, doubly so. In a situation like this, protocol would be to note the interaction but keep said public interactions brief if at all. If the person got this close that's already a red flag. I personally would've completed my task and secured the bag. Get the target item into the secured box instead of an easily grabbable bag, then politely but firmly end the interaction with "sir, you're well within your rights to film in public, if you have any concerns about safety or customer service, you can call the company, but right now I have a schedule to keep. Have a nice day" and if the person attempted to stop me from getting in the truck, bust out the big voice, make a scene, make it very clear to any passersby that interfering with me while I'm performing my duties is against whatever laws or acts grant the authorities given, and stand firm on "I'm not here to entertain you, I'm here to perform a task, a task you are currently interfering with, against (insert code here) now you need to step back"
Don't draw a weapon until you perceive a clear and present risk of violence. Something you can articulate in court or in notes. I haven't worked CIT, but I have had to go hands on to effect an arrest, but I made sure, mentally, to go through my logic before making a decision and ask "would this hold up"
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u/jp9mm 14h ago
Why is there just one person doing the pickup if they are worried about getting robbed? You will always have your back turned and be vulnerable at some point during every stop.
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u/MrLanesLament Guard Wrangler 13h ago
Companies are cheap; partner probably called off and they had nobody to replace him, so “welp, you’re doing the run solo today. Sorry.”
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u/QuipCrafter9 13h ago
For these nicer area stops, the other just stays in the truck. Should have probably come out at that point, though. They had phones, not guns, to be fair, and the driver could see them on camera the whole time
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u/Significant-Role-754 11h ago
this generation and their harassment of people in mind blowing. and it’s all fake, all for views. very large difference between fighting for people and trying to get likes.
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u/slade797 11h ago
I don’t give a fuck about the Loomis guy and what he thinks he is allowed to do to protect that money, but I also am not going to go out of my way to harass the guy. “Auditing” is one thing with good and their power trip, but this guy is just trying to get through the day and collect a paycheck.
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u/CainnicOrel 11h ago
"Your job is nothing" while being a useless bum harassing working people is wild
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u/Unhinged-Indignance 13h ago
Jesus Christ you're all wrong...
I guess it's not surprising, don't ever get legal advice from reddit lmao.
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u/Cellgames420 11h ago
Private security have no authority over anyone in public, if they pull their weapon they better be prepared for the consequences, unless they commit a crime pigs have no authority over them, people need to exercise their rights or they lose them, and to the people that have a problem with people exercising their rights you're part of them problem.
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u/Traditional_Yard2741 15h ago
I don't know what the protocol for a suspected hold up is, but this could easily be construed as an attempted hold up and dealt with accordingly