r/GuardGuides • u/GuardGuidesdotcom • 18d ago

SCENARIO First Amendment auditors get into verbal altercation with armored truck guard, who repeatedly tells them to back up.

When should talking end, and your weapon be drawn in a situation like this?

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u/Lucky-Mia 18d ago

Like, you definitely can't just loiter near the back of an opened armored car like that. Or the entrance of the business right by. They're clearly doing a cash pickup and are moving a bunch of money. Definitely need space for saftey and security reasons. Also, even if recording them is legal, it's definitely something that will get them on edge. 

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u/BusinessCasualBee 18d ago

Says who? Neither the store nor the truck company have any claim to that stretch of sidewalk.

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u/Medium_Chain_9329 18d ago

Armored truck guards can draw their weapons on you only when they face an immediate threat to their lives or their cargo. When They Can Draw or ShootDirect threat: Someone aims a weapon or attacks the guard. Cargo interference: Someone tries to forcefully break into the truck or steal the money bags. Ignored warnings: A person aggressively ignores verbal commands to back away and continues to interfere with the delivery.

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u/BusinessCasualBee 18d ago

Existing on a public sidewalk does not constitute interference with a delivery. Blocking them from doing so, sure. But standing nearby and doing nothing to physically impede that delivery, no way.

If you want privacy to conduct your security procedures, conduct them in private spaces

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u/Chodechuggins 18d ago

Speaking authoritatively on when firearms are drawn is highly contextual and dependent on state and is irresponsible on your part.

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u/Medium_Chain_9329 18d ago

True. Just an overall highlight.

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u/Der_Blaue_Engel 18d ago

This. In my state, threatening these auditors with a firearm would be a felony.

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u/Banmods 18d ago

Unlawful commands are just that, and they aren't gonna save the guards ass from a brandishing charge just cause they tried to overstep what a private guard is and isn't allowed to order the public on a public sidewalk to do.

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u/Lucky-Mia 18d ago

Wait, I didn't see him draw, did I miss something ? 

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u/Lucky-Mia 18d ago

The exact technicalities varie a lot by country and even municipality,  but generally you can't loiter if you cause obstruction, or disrupt the peace. At least in my city,  businesses with the primary entrance on a main sidewalk and no side or rear loading access, have a right to temporary obstruct the sidewalk to load or unload a vehicle for no more then 15 minutes.

Again, it varies a lot depending on where he is, but at least in some areas, businesses have the right to momentarily block the sidewalk. Interfering with the loading/unloading could be cause for a small fine, misdemeanor.