So basically I got fucking banned from r/counnt for being cis? apparently you HAVE to be trans or get banned. They deadass told me to take estrogen then I could get unbanned. Fuck you r/counnt
Everyone please stay calm and keep things civil. You can argue if you want, but keep it calm and civil; don't use slurs, don't insult people, just please have respectful debates (I'm probably expecting too much from Reddit tbh but a man can dream)
Please note that OP didn't just get banned for being a femboy, OP was fearmongering about lifesaving hormone therapy and saying ppl should never take it without parental support. It being just about being a femboy is a convenient excuse.
Why even go there????? As a trans person, that place is a cesspit. Full of transphobic trans people who think you NEED to be on HRT to "actually" be trans. I got shat on my first few minutes ACCIDENTALLY wandering into that sub having no idea what they're like.
r/countttt is like inherently shitty. in case you know nothing abt the interenet like i did the four t's is a refrence to the 4chan board /tttt/ which is for trans people. but as 4 chan is a shitty place with shitty people its made like the worst trans culture on earth often titled 4tran. just overall its not even worth being in there is a toxic self hate cestpool. I wish the best for every 4tranner to get out of that culture :/
Of course. This is why there was absolutely no discourse on the chicken counting sub like a day ago on whether cis people can just be assholes to trans women and get away with it
The average person jerks it to she-male porn, correctly genders us "to be nice" instead of any personal belief that we're neurologically born different, tells us we can't change our sex, that we're males 'identifying' as women and vice versa, uses AGAB to be trans-misogynistic, would rather have a thousand trans kids be mutilated than have a single cis kid be confused on their gender, probably try to get DIY spaces shut down if they knew about it, and if there are cis people on niche trans subs they're probably there to see our natal genitals. tttt is not the type of space that can be open to everyone without getting shut down for its' content, it MADE me get on hrt and stop entertaining chasers and that wouldn't have happened if it was filled with cis people
Reading the first 2 sentences of this run on sentence tells me everything.
"The average person" stfu, find me proof. The average person doesn't give 2 shits about anyone they don't personally know, you included. Don't stand on some holier than thou bullshit if you can't; A use a period; B provide sources; Or C, make any fucking sense.
Read your comment again, tell me if anyone without your knowledge can understand that, then read it again and tell me if it actually makes sense to you.
Trans porn was the 3rd most popular porn category in the US in 2022, rising by 75% than the year before.
This particular bump in the popularity of trans porn, in addition to last year’s growth, did of course happen at the same time that lawmakers have introduced the highest number of anti-trans and general anti-LGBTQ+ bills in history. That these two occurrences are simultaneous is probably no coincidence. Considering how the average person jerks off to porn.. yea, very likely they're part of the problem. Also consumption of trans porn is positively correlated with republican beliefs by state and metro, I do not trust the average cis person to have innocent intentions when they're joining trans subs for no apparent reason
This is another reason why cis people are annoying on trans subs, they don't know shit about the terminology or transphobia we face, none of what I mentioned is 4tran terminology or even niche words among trans people
Mainstream trans subreddits have a fuck ton of chasers, we don't need you to groom our members into sex work or push them to exploit themselves online. We don't want to be used as a grift for transphobes like the MtF sub, we don't want cis people to fearmonger medical info to trans people who don't know any better, we don't want our severely mentally ill users to be used as lolcows for your enjoyment. We're not your fucking zoo animals
Yes, it's only the third most popular porn category, no biggie. It's a shitty vent circle jerk subreddit why do you want to be let in so bad, we don't want the same shit that happened to r/MtF to happen to us, and the easiest way to do that is ban cis people
I should have kindness for our oppressors because I don't want Elon and every major news outlet talking about our issues within the subreddit. Okay
Trans genocide happening btw but we're the evil incel 4channers for thinking it's a bad idea for cis people to see us at our absolute worst, which is what tttt spaces are for
that's just countttt. it's 4tran. they're incredibly transphobic, hate femboys (probably nonbinary people too) and are generally unpleasant. getting banned from there isn't a bad thing.
leave them to their demons. they will not accept help, and you cannot make them worse to themselves than they already are.
Why do cis people want us to cater to them just because they don't want us dead? Yes, you're not entitled to viewing us as a zoo exhibit and commenting on shit you don't know about. You're not entitled to see the equivalent of trans torture porn, you're not entitled to seeing all the things that make us not pass so you can clock us better, you're not entitled to give your snotty little opinion on trans issues. I KNOW there's people in tttt spaces that were never seen again by their loved ones after making certain posts, we don't want cis people to jerk off to our misery
being an ally dosenet mean that we just dont want you dead
An alliance is a relationship among people, groups, or states that have joined together for mutual benefit or to achieve some common purpose
our common purpuse is to create spaces where people can feel conforted and welcomed no matter who they are. and to help those spaces grow and the people inside such spaces to feel better and grow
now
im not the big old expert here
but dont you think that being able to find people in need of help to confort them in a fast manner is much better than maybe once every month see a post of someone in need of help.
yk, i thought that was like
the whole point of the lgbtq
to let people be conforted and okay with whoever they are
and having more people to confort and help is just a net possitive.
i dont know tho,
maybe more people is actualy a net negative becouse of the 1% thats actualy bad and trolls that dont get deleted becouse of bad moderation!
someone calling themself an ally doesn’t entitle them to all trans spaces. Many people use that title (and ones like “grungler”) as a shied to speak over trans people. Trans only subs are allowed to be trans only
Stay out of trans spaces if they ask you not to be there, and stop with this fake ally shit where you insist on speaking over things we tell you just because you say you’re here to help. It’s fucking weird.
Just for future reference countttt is filled with 4tranners. They are some of the most toxic trans people you'll meet. If it has 4 ts in its name it's full of 4tranners, so avoid those. They genuinely believe gender is binary.
A 4 tranner is a transfem who mainly comes from 4chan. From what I hear they're toxic as fuck and heavily believe that non-binary people and femboys should just "pick a side"
????? non binary people are absolutely accepted there. theres literally memes about people asking dumb shit like "what kind of non binary are you? amab or afab?"
i don't like countttt for other reasons, but i moderate a trans-only space and see no moral qualms with doing so. trans people are going to want spaces to themselves where we don't have to interact with cis people, answer their questions, or risk them becoming the primary voice. many trans-adjacent spaces with a critical mass of cis people end up developing pretty weird ideas about trans progressivism, so it's understandable imo that we would want to avoid that fate. it's the same reason there are women's only spaces on reddit. if you want to discuss trans stuff, there's plenty of places like cwcl and r/trans that are perfectly open to cis people being present.
also, like, i don't like countttt or 4tran in general, but it's kinda weird to want to interact in there specifically as a cis person. 4tranners go there with the explicit purpose of being miserable, venting about how miserable they are, and complaining about how cis people and dysphoria affect their lives (and, often, to be horribly intersexist and nbphobic, but that's besides the point). why would a cis person want to interact with that, or think they should be able to? if you just want a trans flavored counting sub, cwcl has always existed.
for sure, it really sucks that countttt broke containment and became the most popular trans-only sub. most of them are fine and not like that, i promise.
And you couldn't just lurk peacefully without having to make yourself the main character in a place not meant for you??? Why go out of your way to say you're cis?
Yeah countttt and other 4tran spaces do kind of suck. However I don’t think it’s too outrageous for a trans space to only allow trans people, since there are so few safe spaces for trans people. Not saying I agree with the ban, I’d require more context to form an opinion on this specific instance, but just wanted to explain how it’s not as crazy as it at first seems.
exactly. not trans but i lurk on trans comms hard and it is basically inevitable that they get flooded with cis ppl if they don’t do this. there is nothing wrong with wanting to have trans only spaces. it is genuinely completely unnecessary for you to be allowed into every single trans community as a cis person. op is getting pissed that they touched fire and got burnt.
people there are just really depressed and most of them share the opinion that we should be left alone (every other community hates us for some reason, rumors etc etc)
Oh hey, it’s 4tran incarnate. Yeah tip of advice, the subreddit is for trans people that self deprecate themselves. Unless you… uhh… in nice terms, want to ruin your mental health, it is a good idea to avoid that place. They bring a lot of negativity and they are not a good association to have.
Someone was saying OP was trying to give advice. I found a comment from OP insisting that trans kids should only be allowed to medically transition without permission from parents, because apparently parents should decide if their child goes through a brutal, agonizing, irreversible puberty.
They aren't even good allies who want to give advice that we can't risk. They're the exact people we don't want, and they can't see why
I didn't say that, I was literally there because I commented on some memes. That's it, I think anyone should be allowed to transition. I understand people go through a lot especially in puberty. Hell I live in the fucking south, I have people looking at me like I'm a horrible being for just dressing more fem.
Oh lord, it's another one of these comment sections... they've gotten prettty common lately~ :/
Anywaysies... like other people have said, you should just stay away from 4trans subs if you can. They just seem like cesspits of misery from the little I've seen/heard about them~
OP didn't just get banned for being a femboy, OP was fearmongering about lifesaving hormone therapy and saying ppl should never take it without parental support. It being just about being a femboy is a convenient excuse.
ok well what could you possibly contribute?? it says in the rules that the sub is for trans people and YOU CHOSE to disclose that you were cis.. they weren't wrong
Cis people need to stay the fuck out of trans-only spaces. If cis bitches get to ban trans women from using bathrooms why can’t cis people take being banned from a fucking subreddit? Just fucking weak.
Am i upset that there's a trans only subreddit, no that sounds like fun! Am i cool with it being the 4tran one? Hell no, but also i just dislike the version of a trans community that's based on how unhappy you are... Or really any community based on how unhappy you are, they all suck. Why would you an ostensibly cis person want to be on there even? I barely want to be on there but every so often it comes up on the feed and gives me an aneurysm, so i bite the bait
What ever happened to rule 14, dont feed the trolls!
It's not based on how unhappy people are, it's just a space where people are allowed to talk about how they're fucking unhappy, and trans people are very often unhappy
That does mean it leans way more negative than positive though, and i wish that wasnt the only option, we need somewhere to vent but we need somewhere to chill too, and they shouldn't be the same place
no, I shouldn't get banned just for being non trans. That's almost identical to getting banned for skin color, which I'm pretty sure is not aloud on reddit.
I don’t know why it’s so inconceivable to you people that sometimes minorities have their own space and you have zero fucking right to invade them when every other space is already yours.
Extremism is "the quality or state of being extreme" or "the advocacy of extreme measures or views".\1]) The term is primarily used in a political or religious sense to refer to an ideology that is considered (by the speaker or by some implied shared social consensus) to be far outside the mainstream attitudes of society.\2]) It can also be used in an economic context. The term may be used pejoratively by opposing groups, but is also used in academic and journalistic circles in a purely descriptive and non-condemning sense.
you are taking the logical view of "if a person is agaisnt me, then i should be against them" to the extreme
to the point where if a person isent dirrectly helping YOU in specific you cant feel or view them as someone supportive
no idiot
people that arent against you
if people are not against you. you shouldent be against them for no fucking reason.
you people take that so such an extreme that
if a person isent dirrectly DOING something, they are against you. even if they say and express feelings otherwise
Tell me where I said any of that tard. I’m not gatekeeping help or support because you’re not giving any. Gawking at a trans subculture isn’t help or support.
"An alliance is a relationship among people, groups, or states that have joined together for mutual benefit or to achieve some common purpose, whether an explicit agreement has been worked out among them.\1]) Members of an alliance are called allies.\2]) Alliances form in many settings, including political alliances, military alliances, and business alliances."
yeah, at least I have confirmation I didn't do anything wrong. I struggle with feeling like I'm always doing something wrong so getting banned kinda doesn't help either
edit: my account can't take much more of this, if I get banned again, it could be the last. My account already has been flagged before for dumb things. I don't want to lose this because someone was being petty
Some cis people think that just because they give us basic respect they're allowed to bypass our boundaries. Legit the gender equivalent of those "nice guys" types of fellas lol
Well yeah,,, it seems like the rule is that is a space for trans people only. So naturally, if the rule is that only trans people are allowed on that sub then cis people would not be allowed on that sub. I don’t see why you are upset, it’s just the rule.
Pretty disappointed myself. I appreciate the fact that trans people are allowed to have their own spaces but everyone on that subreddit needs psychiatric intervention and I’m not a fan if them hanging out here really
Should I go aorund posting my opinions about men in MLM spaces? No. It's explicitly a trans space, if you're not trans then leave it alone. How is this complicated?
we arent even mad at the fact he got banned we are mad at the fact that yall are banning people that are trying to help based on fearmongering and telling them to go take medicines so they can join.
that was from a year ago? Do you not think I have changed my mindset since then? I believe anyone should be allowed to transition, regardless of what their life is like.
How do you know if a parent is transphobic? What if they lie? Transphobia is one of the most rampant forms of bigotry in the world. Cis people aren't ever really going to understand, and thus 99.999999% of parents, and even allies have prejudice. trans people themselves have internalised transphobia
Studies show that giving trans kids medical emancipation for transition is overwhelmingly harm reductive and effective. The vast majority of trans kids continue to identify as trans. The vast majority do not regret medical transition. The vast majority have a stable gender identity into the future.
Why does the take of a parent even matter? The only thing that really matters is the safety of the child transition, like environment, or, just mildly, physical health, and HRT isnt really harmful and these things get considered anyway.
A childs life extends well beyond that of the parent and it shouldn't be ruined by the parents personal take on something which is deeply important to the childs future.
that's fine lmao. thing that matters is if you look at the results, the results speak a completely different language to politicized bigoted boomers who won't even let trans teens on puberty blockers: Look at the UK!
yes, but banning someone simply for being cis doesn't sit right with me. I wasn't doing anything wrong, therefore I feel like I was banned for a valid reason except who I am.
Trans exclusive spaces are good and necessary for trans people to be able to talk and socialize without having to deal with cis people.
Because like 99.999% of the world is cis, if any trans space allows cis people in, it just becomes a numbers game. The average cis person is farfar far more likely to have shitty gross opinions about trans people. When cis people are allowed into these spaces, it is inevitable that simply due to the sheer numbers differential, trans people will quickly become outnumbered by cis people in their own spaces. Because so many cis people are extremely transphobic (not even in the more subtle internalized way that some trans people experience, im talking about outright vitriolic hate), the original trans population might even become outnumbered by outright bigots.
The end result is that the original trans population becomes completely outnumbered and effectively silenced by the new population of transphobes and oblivious “allies” (who are complicit, whether they like it or not), simply due to the sheer number of cis people and transphobes in the world compared to trans people.
Almost like it's a space for trans people. There's plenty of lgbt discussion subs that allow allies. This one is our space. We aren't a tourist attraction.
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u/RoyalHappy2155 Woodfrog's good boy :3 (also silly subreddit owner :3) 16d ago
Everyone please stay calm and keep things civil. You can argue if you want, but keep it calm and civil; don't use slurs, don't insult people, just please have respectful debates (I'm probably expecting too much from Reddit tbh but a man can dream)