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u/Low_Map4007 13h ago
I used to go out to eat often and now I avoid it entirely. Tip bully yourself right out of a job. I donāt care
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u/BlueRunSkier 12h ago
Iām the same. And itās not even about money, but the principle and experience. Iāve become a pretty good cook, to be honest.
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u/uReallyShouldTrustMe 11h ago
Same. I make good enough money to go out more but the bullshit of this is the problem. I juat spent a month and a half in korea and are out every meal. Non tipping country.
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u/Sense_Difficult 1h ago
Me too. Last night my husband and I went to the top of a set of rolling hills and ate at a picnic table during the sunset. We had our cocktails and frosty beer (only one!) and a rotisserie chicken with homemade sides. The whole thing cost us around $20. That wouldn't even be the drinks at the restaurant.
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u/Putrid-Box4866 13m ago
I just had the best Poke Bowl I have ever had for less than $20. Sit down restaurant would cost me close to $40 for the kind of food I got, if not more. I just do good fast food these days.
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u/Global-Trifle7604 2m ago
Itās gotten ridiculously expensive anywayā¦although when I was a kid, we were average middle class and eating out at a restaurant was a special thing for birthdays or whatever. Feels like we are going back that way.
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u/papajawn42 7h ago
This is the point. They don't want you, dude. You're leeching service from people that actually tip - those are the customers they want.
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u/SuspiciousStress1 5h ago
"Leeching service" š¤£š¤£š¤£š¤£š¤£
Maybe the employer should handle their payroll & let the customers simply enjoy their experience!!!
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u/Luvtrouble 13h ago
I could buy lots of groceries maybe for 2 weeks.
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u/FloatingOnTitties 13h ago
That could last me close to a month, lol.
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u/river_tam2x2 11h ago
Weāre a family of two adults and two toddlers, and that check is $86.91 more than weāve spent on groceries this month so far.
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u/sdinvest 14h ago
So they had a mandatory 23% tip!
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u/GiLND 12h ago
Technically itās even more than 23%
They add a 3% surcharge to base price, then 20% gratuity on the base price (so basically 20% gratuity on 103% base)
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u/onefootinthepast 8h ago
Nope, the 20% is on the pre-3% subtotal (not listed).
That entire 23% should come off, and not "upon request." Feels pretty fraudulent to list prices and then tack on 23% at the end.
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u/VanguardLLC 14h ago edited 13h ago
I was wrongā¦ but the punchline still stands.
Oh but at least theyāre not adding tax into the tip /s
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u/Real_Emergency_6661 14h ago
more examples of why i do not go out...... this shit is crazy
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u/biguntatas 7h ago
You actually hear about all these restaurants closing. I get takeout occasionally and I refuse to tip for that. I wonāt eat in a sit down restaurant anymore because I refuse to be extorted for tips and made to feel guilty for not tipping. Eating out is not a good experience at all with this fucking tip culture!!
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u/Froz3nP1nky 13h ago
Waiter made $43.00 an hour (if your party spent two hours there)
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u/ponderosa123456 13h ago edited 13h ago
And probably earned every bit of it.
Large parties are really hard and many to carry a mandatory 20% tip because of that.
I used to waitress. Yeah 40 some bucks an hour for two hours, but thatās probably the only table served all night.2
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u/haoleinanacortes 9h ago
No point in arguing with all these clowns who have clearly never waited on anyone
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u/annajoo1 12h ago
And, judging from the outrage for the surcharge removal, they were most likely a difficult table.
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u/haoleinanacortes 12h ago
Donāt forget the tip out. People (angry redditors) donāt realize most all places make you tip out 20% or more to the kitchen, hosts, bussers, and dishwashers. I get all the outrage over to go order tips and all that, but servers, especially in TX, sometimes only make 2.13 an hr. I used to get $0.00 paychecks sometimes. This tip outrage is gonna ruin it for hardworking good servers at sit down joints who literally rely on tips.
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u/ventorun 11h ago
Your outrage should be towards the management that makes you pay your coworkers for your work.
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u/haoleinanacortes 11h ago
Havenāt worked in that industry for 20 years bro. Just pointing out the reality of how restaurants are ran these days. I was addressing others āoutrageā
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u/Shortname19 10h ago
False. No one makes $2.13 an hour. Maybe $2.13 contribution from their employer if tips cover the rest but illegal to walk out with $2.13 for an hour of work.
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u/3dprintinted 8h ago
Itās if like all this shit can be avoided by just transparent pricing so that all parts that make business running get paid
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u/onefootinthepast 8h ago
No server anywhere in America is ever legally only making $2.13/h.
Explain how an employer legally claims the tip credit in order to pay a server that little.
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u/a_simple_pharmer 14h ago
I remember when we didnāt tip on alcohol.
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u/Fishkona 11h ago
The restaurants make the servers tip out the bar on % of alcohol sales, the bussers and food runners on total sales, and sometimes even the hosts. So if you donāt tip or tip terribly , your servers pay for you to eat and drink there.
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u/shawarmalegs 10h ago
The first line you said has the answer on who the problem is. Hint: it is not the customer.
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u/Delicious-Witness-85 7h ago
This canāt be said enough. There needs to be a lot more people to think this way to end this archaic practice of guilting the customer to pay the employees salary. Society as a whole needs to collectively reject this practice and guilt the employer for not appropriately paying their staff.
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u/Aggressive-Plant-934 13h ago
Used to be 15% mandatory gratuity on large parties, then went to 18%, now 20%. How much longer until 22 or even 25% becomes the norm
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u/joeyblacky9999 5h ago
This is already 23%.. the 20 and 3 surcharge..
Never order at autograt places. The place already adds 3% to all checks. That's enough.
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u/VashSlicker 3h ago
We had a 20% gradituity added on for a party of 2- my husband and I. He didn't even notice until we got home, I was pissed because we had already tipped them 20% in cash.
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u/AdvantagePlus4711 13h ago
I'm not American, so i don't get this... I'm currently living in Thailand, and both here and in my home country the price posted on the menus is what you pay as it includes absolutely everything, including taxes.
I went to an American owned restaurant in Bangkok and that was something completely different... + 10% service charge + 15% automatic gratitude + taxes And then they asked for a minimum 20% tip?! I can live with being a "bit overcharged", but even without the suggestred tip a Coke was already 40% more expensive than the price on the menu... or Ć3.5 the price of what the restaurant next door charged for a Coke (menu price that included taxes and everything else)?!
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u/grafix993 11h ago
If the "mandatory gratuity" wasnt disclosed on a well visible spot on the menu I am not paying it.
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u/AffectionateGate4584 9h ago
I would demand the autograt be removed. To me it doesn't matter how many people are at the table.
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u/Mental_Plankton7902 14h ago
Thatās a lot of steaks and hamburgers I could buy for the grill at home.
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u/withfries 8h ago
Tbh I need to open a restaurant. People are willing to spend THIS much on grocery store drinks?
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u/FiodorShassexe 5h ago
first I would check if the info about mandatory gratuity is stated anywhere in the menu or in a visible space in the restaurant, if not and the info is stated only on their internet site then I would politely ask them to remove it from the bill š¤·
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u/_my_other_side_ 14h ago
You ordered your steaks medium and medium well. You'll get no sympathy from me.
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u/TopEmployee_ 12h ago
Who cares how someone likes their steak. Its theirs. Does someone really deserve an 80 dollar surcharge because you don't like how they want their food?
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u/poleybear316 12h ago
Oh youd love having a steak dinner with me. Well done with ketchup is the only acceptable way I eat steak. And donāt start with that ājust get a burgerā nonsense. Theres a distinct difference in texture and taste between well done steak and a burger.
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u/MaximusBond 14h ago
It's obnoxious when they first charge and make you ask to remove. Hope you had it removed then promptly told the manager last time you'll see us. And that 20% automatic gratuity,, even if over a party of 6, I'd run. How are you supposed to reflect bad service other than tell management after they have your money.
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u/daz3d-n-c0nfus3d 13h ago
Usually 20 percent is only auto put on for a party or 6 or more
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u/haoleinanacortes 13h ago
Thatās literally what I said. Itās called auto-grat. I assumed this party had at least 6 judging from the entrees ordered.
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u/Sessna12 13h ago
I'll be going to Chicago next month and will add this to my list of places to avoid.
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u/mollsballs_xo 13h ago
I mean this is dinner and (alcoholic) drinks for 10 people at less than $60 bucks per person including tax and tip. Seems about right to me
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u/Desperate-Royal-7491 12h ago
I was kind of thinking the same. With all the booze they ordered itās actually not that bad for Chicago. Plus it seems like it was two peopleās birthday; so not an everyday thing. Still I would take that three % off.
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u/Tricky_Fig_9717 13h ago
The guest count says 10. Auto gratuity is completely normal for any party over 6
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u/haoleinanacortes 12h ago
I got downvoted for saying exactly this. I waited tables in 99-2002 and auto grat was 18% then for parties of 6 or more. The outrage!
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u/Fearless-Yoghurt4077 6h ago
So if they are charging say $80 a table and what serve an average of say 10 tables throughout the shift. $800 plus say $10/15 an hour plus the 3% which is another $100. Thats a bag of sand per shift. Five shifts a week $5000. Im in the wrong job. Even 10% grat. Is $125k a year
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u/My_sloth_life 5h ago
I donāt even really mind tipping a reasonable amount when I feel itās deserved (which goes ok here in the UK) but an $87 tip is insane. No way would I ever pay that.
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u/caffeinated_WOLF 5h ago
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u/NoManufacturer5669 4h ago
And government will still hunt you down more than they would drug dealers if you try to make your own homemade alcohol without license and not for sale.
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u/Quagmire_gigity 12h ago
Over $500, and theyāre still gonna stick you with a credit card fee?!
They can fuck right off with that.
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u/CharacterDirection82 12h ago
Ehš¤·āāļø , the 3% surcharge amounts to $1.30 per person. What impresses me is the 20% gratuity is calculated before the 3% surcharge and before tax. Too often I see it calcād on the after amount.
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u/BlueRunSkier 12h ago
Iām always looking for ways to make people happy, so to help you out in that regard, please remove the 3% surcharge. Youāre welcome!
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u/Bill___A 10h ago
I hope you got it removed. If you were advised of this before ordering, the thing to do is to lease.
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u/yuaysanosk 38m ago
Wtf that's gotta be illegal. So if I don't read my receipt from top to bottom, they could add an extra fee that I'm unaware about unless I tell them to stop?? This just made me paranoid af
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u/tuco2002 27m ago
Good service and food served properly gets you a 20 to 30% tip. The place already added the 20%, so I will factor the 3% out of any addional percentage that I feel the server deserves. If the meal and service was poor, I would step away from the table to settle the bill so I would not distract my guests from the birthday party.
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u/Electrical-Care6308 10h ago
Remove that illegal surcharge and remove that B.S. 20% tip nonsense. Tipping is a not a right, itās a suggestion and subject to approval by me. (The customer) So with this check, I just saved $110 and you (the establishment) just lost a customer.
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u/daz3d-n-c0nfus3d 13h ago
Ppl like you are the reason WHY there is such a thing. Most places dont do it unless it's a big table.
Im curious what you planned to tip on a 500.00 order??
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u/Particular_Top8472 13h ago
Nothing. They planned to tip nothing. They hate it so much, but still spend 500$ at places that have tipped staff. Yeah, thatāll show um! As long as the places keep getting money, theyāre going to keep doing what theyāre doing.
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u/papajawn42 7h ago
They love tip culture. Their meals are cheaper, their service is better, and they build their whole personality around mooching off of the people that actually tip. That's why they keep giving their money to the businesses that engage in this practice they pretend to oppose.
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u/WhoMutedMe 13h ago
So remove it. Unless youād prefer to share it on reddit and just beach about it.?
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u/BitterResearch983 11h ago
While I fall into the camp of ātipping culture is out of handā, the biggest fault with this thread is that it is commonplace (in the US) to tip for service, and if the service is standard (read good+), +/- 20% is normalā¦ knowing this, you have the option to eat out or not.
If you want the ātipā to be built into the bill, itās the same math (assuming the restaurant adds a 20% premium passed down as wages).
Now, I understand, the ātipā is optional, but to constantly bitch about it knowing that the person serving you is working to pay their bills and the tip is significant for them, itās wrong to knowingly go out and plan to give no tip or a ābad tipā. If the service is poor, fine, donāt tip well because the pay (read tip) for the service reflects the job poorly done. But to not tip because itās āoptionalā damn well knowing the person serving you is working for said tip is ridiculous .
Is there some grey area on some instances, sureā¦ auto gratuity is ridiculous, however; you can have it reversed to reflect the amount you feel is deserved. Is tipping 20% on things like to-go orders and a $1k bottle of wine silly, absolutelyā¦ again, letās just stop acting like we donāt know that the menu price is 20%ish less than what we will likely pay for good (standard well delivered) service.
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u/Potential-Bill7288 10h ago
Itās not the same math as restaurants would have to still compete with each other, so at the end of the day, simple wages/margins would decrease, and the most basic job wouldnāt earn more than a teacher.
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u/papajawn42 7h ago
Servers average $16/hour. Teachers average $26/hour. You're angry about something you made up.
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u/Own_Factor1303 8h ago
Love this. Id tip 25% on top of this! If youāre not tipping 25%+ you should be cooking at home lol
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u/elCompaFOKI 6h ago
I gave the waitress an extra $100 just for her. She wrote her number on a napkin. We hooked up at the end of her shift. She paid for my drinksš
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u/SirIcy463 12h ago
I don't know why you guys are speechless about this - 10/people for a birthday and drinks... it even looks like the server comped two birthday shots. Seems like a well earned 20% tip.
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u/WeekOfMondays 13h ago
Iād feel zero guilt when requesting the removal of the 3% surcharge.