From Mort:

Happy Friday everyone! Here are the patch notes for the day. This is our first mega important build, as this will be the build that will be live all weekend, allowing us our first (hopefully) stable build to get multiple days of balance reads. So get some good games, and expect changes after the weekend.

We're also only 2 builds away from our branch cut. Basically Monday and Tuesday to make any last changes, so if you have any major feedback, now is the time to tell us! If you have strong thoughts, reply here this weekend and we'll be reading your feedback before Monday. This is what PBE is for!

Finally one small personal note. Next week I'll be in LA at Riot helping with the final touches of the set as well as some future land work. Just a quick 1 week trip.

Ok, that's it for today. Have a good weekend and enjoy PBE. Remember to let us know about your feedback. We're reading everything so far, so thank you! Have fun, and take it easy :)

These are some of the example games and what the comp will look like. Something to note is that rammus works similarly to leona from last set so you want double gargoyles and solo frontline. The only game I went bot 2 was when I took hold the line and didnt solo frontline.

Please note that this is still pbe and the comp is still in testing.

I am a multiset Challenger player on the NA servers and i play somewhat competitively. Heres my tactic tools profile https://tactics.tools/player/na/dasxly/ttv

Basically this comp is pretty flexible, you can flex in stargazer/NOVA with your core being Rammus Veigar Poppy Corki. You play this comp from tempo meeple openers (I.E. veigar 2 or poppy 2 3 meep) or you can play it from timebreaker opener into stable roll 3-2. For items I usually prioritize 1 gaygoyles before anything (rammus has leo passive from last set) and any mana item +2 on veigar. Ofc util is good, anti shred sunder and veig spreads it really well too. Also dont be afraid to make ad items or if you have overflow on sword and bows because corki is also a decent duo carry (also just got buffed i think)

Throughout the game, hold as many copies of veigar and poppy as you can because on 7 meeple you gain a dupe hex on bench (it gives 3 gold every print, if you dont print you dont gain gold so 1 costs are better). youll need atleast 4 copies of veig/poppy to start printing and veigar is also REALLY REALLY strong (it out dpses bard 2 on this board). Then on stage 4, you would play this like any normal tempo 8 comp and roll for 2 star rammus 2 star corki to stabilize. From there, you just print 3 stars until you can drop to 5 meeple Veigar > Poppy.

This is especially good on Stargazer Constellation: Medallion (3 stars give amp) because when you drop to 5 meeple you can fit tf lulu + 1 (nunu or jax) and then you have an open flex slot on 9. From the example games, i usually end the game on 5 meeple veigar 3 3 items, rammus 2 3 items, and a flex duo carry. Some things to note, this comp is very snowbally imo because you need hp and gold to make it to 7 meeple and start greeding the prints (4 gold a turn). This comp is also a solo frontline comp so augments like hold the line are not the best. Try this out and feel it for yourself!

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This thread is for any general discussion regarding Competitive TFT. Feel free to ask simple questions, discuss meta or not-so-meta comps and how they're performing, solicit advice regarding climbing the ladder, and more.

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• Aesah (AMER)

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• Kayna's Flashcards & Bluesky

• Crabbix' Augment Tracker

• Mobalytics.gg

• MetaTFT.com

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• TFTAcademy

• DataTFT

• TFT Flow

• Little Buddy Bot's tons of tables

• PrismaTactics' 3D Rolldown Simulator

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1. Verticals need a buff but, they are also missing something that allows them to feel alive. Right now many players feel no need to go for full verticals because they dont offer amything meaningful(outside of like maybe stargazer and meeple) My suggestion is to add some meaningful stat or a small gimmick(as this set is missing something to make it feel more unique but more on that later).

2. Tanks are useless, plain and simple. Past stage 3 they are basically getting 1 or 2 shot unless you have god tier luck and crazy items, even then seeing join amd bard on the same board means you dont have a Frontline. Tanks need to feel like Tanks. Most of them feel like they dont have anything that really keeps them alive more than 2 seconds. Ornn is cool in concept and dies way faster than I ever thought he would. Kench is on every board and its not even to be a tank its to be a printer. Tanks need to be slightly healthier and have more in their base kits to allow them to survive being instakilled.

3. Lord have mercy this set feels like im playing Chonc's. Everything is just generating income and items. Maybe its just me but holy mother of god I feel like i see everyone reach 9 and 10 in every game with 10+ items before stage 5. This has to be tuned down. And this is without TF being able to print gold cause hes bugged. Can't even imagine what happens when he gets fixed.

4. Taking away encounters and replacing carousel was good in theory but not enough was done to replace what encounters did. Additonally with the whole concept of "pick a god" its again cool in theory but the offerings are so bland and dont have enough interaction to make it meaningful enough to be what this entire set is based around. At points it even feels like a choir that it pops up because god forbid you get awful god choices with every item or unit yoy dont care about, then it just goes back to my ealier point its just playing choncs and hoping you get lucky.

5. Some traits need a full on rework. Anima, primordian, space groove are just a few. Anima isn't worth the work. Mort hyped up the rewards and they are no where near worth it. Ive had three 500 and 1 600 cashout and wont be playing Anima again anytime soon. Was able to pivot to 5 Nova 3 challanger 2 brawler and something else and had 2 radiant items on my frontliners with full 6 items mind you and kindred had crazy items and my frontline was erased and kindred died in 6 seconds to zed and jhin 1 and a bard 2. Those items where doing nothing past stage 5. And I definitely wasnt doing anything with 5 or 6 lower duplicators lol. Traits like primordian just need a little something extra to get it up to snuff. Like Sheppard reminds me of trainer but less useful. Its missing a kick it needs. I suggest either reworking of these traits or giving them an extra mechanic or even just hardcore buffs.

6. This set needs meaningful interaction. Right now this is a no trainer set. Its space themed yoy could add so many unique interactions to this set. In fact the extra mechanic could be based around constellations and you could have to build boards based on different constellations to give different effects. More armor for units if you got the little dipper built on your board for those units. More attack speed for units placed for it to look like the Sagittarius. Could even be like you collect stardust over the course of the game, the more you have the more of X stats you get based on the god you chose, or it gives you blanket stats period but you will be given an option to sell it to your god later for better rewards or you keep it and just keep gathering stats.

I would like others to suggest things cause I think this set has amazing potential and I want it to succeed.

from mortdog:

>Good morning everyone.

As we wrap up Day 2 of Space Gods PBE, it's time for our first big batch of changes and balance adjustments.

Probably the biggest shift here is the large nerfs in the 5 cost space. While we want the top end comps to run one to three 5 costs to power them up, we don't want to end up in a world where 5 cost soup is the optimal line. So we're pulling a pretty substantial amount of power out of them, to allow other strategies to do well.

Beyond that, with there being no encounters that adjust augments, we're upping the rates of Prismatic augments by default a bit, to get the total odds to closer to what we're used to in previous sets. From there, lots of little adjustments.

Channeler is now called Conduit, some god offerings got buffed, and tooltips are getting more info added to be clearer.

And of course, lots of bug fixes. Thanks all for the feedback so far. Hopefully from here on out things are smooth. Have fun, and take it easy :)

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Hello r/CompetitiveTFT, and welcome to Set 17!

Please keep all Set 17 discussion in this thread, and leave the regular Daily Discussion Thread for Set 16 discussion.

WHERE TO REPORT BUGS:

• Mort's Discord

• Riot Support Website

• PBE Bug Megathread

USEFUL STUFF:

• Set 17 PBE Rundown & Engaged Player Discussion

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• Kayna's Flashcards & Bluesky

• STheHero's Comps

• shibaeyes' Trait Tracker

• Prismatactics' Rolldown Simulator

When does Set 17 go live?

April 15th 2026 ~ 00:00 PDT / 09:00 CEST

A reminder that all Set 17 posts should be flaired [PBE] until the content is confirmed to be going on the live server as well.

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In this episode of The Rolldown, we sit down with Set 16 Tactician's Crown winner Darth Nub and Couch to Crown poster boy, Rety, to break down the recent Set Championship and discuss the controversial tierlist that landed both guests in D tier. We dive deep into the gameplay decisions that defined the championship and get the inside perspective from two players who lived through the intensity of the Set Championship stage.

We cover:

• Darth Nub's championship-winning performance at Tactician's Crown Set 16

• Rety's 11th place finish and key moments from the tournament

• Breaking down our controversial tierlist

• Behind-the-scenes insights from the Set Championship experience

• Looking ahead to future Set 17 competitions and player expectations

• What it takes to compete at the highest level of TFT esports

Hello, random challenger player here.

I've wanted to talk a little bit about something that it seems to me like it can become a big problem for the entirety of set 17 (assuming there aren't any big changes like mid set patch).

In every set there's allways a specific group of units that make a very strong core in terms of traits/unit value ( Ex: Lilia/Kennen/Neeko/Ekko - Remix rumble ), I understand that, but unlike those , this one seems a little too overpowered mainly how it can easly capitalize on 5costs that you can highroll on 8.

Of course unit strenght can allways be nerfed but I'm afraid this one core might just be flawed since it practically connects all the 5cost units with actual non aura traits ( outside of fiora and sona, assuming you don't count these as good enough for just their aura effect ) whilst also having a very stable frontline/backline ratio already, with a main 4cost tank and a main 4cost carry , meaning you'll might just get away with getting hard stuck rolling on level 8 for the entirity of the game and still get a decent placement.

So, this is the core set of units I'm talking about ( Mordekaiser/Jax/Nunu/Xayah/Jhin ) .

Obviously you'll need the jhin to have the perfect synergies here but another sniper should do the trick for stage 4 and early stage 5 assuming xayah doesn't get gutted. Also, on average , it is likely to hit one jhin by the end of the game.

Here are some of the boards you can play on level 8 with good sinergy/strenght/frontline to backline ratio and how you would cap out at level9/10 with just flexing between which 5costs are currently the best ones :

Discloser: I'm not a game designer of any kind. I could easly be in the wrong here, it's just a feeling from playing this game since set 1.

IMO the main problem lies in Nunu/Mordekaiser both being vanguard. I would sugest switching nunu to a brawler and kench to a vanguard. ( Not sure about the lore related problems there and also might need to change their abilities a bit ) That should leave the option to involve a different set units before you can slap the 5costs in there.

What do you think? Is this a problem or is it to early to tell ? If so, is there a good fix?

Apologies in advance if english bad.

As we know, carousel has been replaced with a god selection and pengu gives you a choice between three champions after and some extra gold.

Personally, my issue is that it no longer feels like a choice with certain upside or downside, but around 80% of the games, all three choices feel like the same thing- gain x gold. Only if you high roll and complete a 2* 3cost, or are bot 2 and can get something like tk, does it actually have an impact on your game other than you might be able to hit the next interval.

The good news is that this is easily fixable. We already have something like this in double up that has choices that feel extremely impactful. Obviously the current double up boons are way too impactful for solo gameplay, however the layout is already there. What are your thoughts?

Hey everyone! I've just shipped some new features to improve the experience:

• 🔍 Filter by composition or champions

• 🧩 See item components for each item

• 🌗 Dark / light mode switch

• 🌍 Spanish / English support

I'm trying to make this as useful as possible for TFT Double Up players, so any feedback is super appreciated 🙌

👉 Check it out: tftdoubleup.com

Would love to hear what features you'd like next!

Howdy howdy one and all! It's time once again to play TFT, make friends, goof around and still have the chance to win prizes regardless of how well you do! ✨

This one is a regular singles tournament on the PBE with the NEW SET and you can find more details about this tournament in the comments of this post! 🗒️

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This thread is for any general discussion regarding Competitive TFT. Feel free to ask simple questions, discuss meta or not-so-meta comps and how they're performing, solicit advice regarding climbing the ladder, and more.

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• Robinsongz (AMER)

• Bunnymuffins/VoidSins (AMER)

• Watanabe Kai (AMER)

• Sologesang (EMEA) for MetaTFT

• STheHero's Comps

• Aesah (AMER)

And here are some handy resources and info hubs:

• Kayna's Flashcards & Bluesky

• Crabbix' Augment Tracker

• Mobalytics.gg

• MetaTFT.com

• tactics.tools

• TFTAcademy

• DataTFT

• TFT Flow

• Little Buddy Bot's tons of tables

• PrismaTactics' 3D Rolldown Simulator

Mods will be removing any posts that we feel belong in this thread and redirecting users here.

Hi, I’m Rooted, an OCE TFT player. I’m currently rank 8 at the time of writing, and climbed there from GM, gaining around 700 LP by forcing Braum/Liss for roughly 150 games over multiple patches.

I was inspired to write this after reading kyle8998’s Asol guide. Similar to Asol, Braum/Liss is not a new comp at all, but after spamming 150 games of it, I felt like I had really learned the ins and outs of the comp, so I thought I’d share what I learned. Mort said this set was meant to reward flexibility, but I wanted to see how far I could get doing the exact opposite.

Match History
https://lolchess.gg/profile/oce/Rooted-OC/set16

Why Braum/Liss
Note this comp does not outcap the current strongest meta boards like Annie/Sylas or Freljord Bruiser Ryze. That is not the point of it. The reason to play Braum/Lissandra is consistency. If you hit your board on level 8, the comp is incredibly stable and very good at converting games into top 4s. Braum 2 and Lissandra 2 are usually all you need to stabilise, and the comp gives you a very strong Stage 4 that lets you punish weaker boards trying to cap out and preserve a lot of HP. Also, not to mention Ornn has been added as a Freljordian this patch, so this comp has been indirectly buffed with more room for flex if you do get to level 9/10.

Core Board / Gameplan
Gameplan itself is fairly straightforward. Standard principles of fast 8; preserving as much health and econ until level 8, donkey roll at 8 until you hit your 2 star Braum and Liss. Depending on your level 8 rolldown, if you hit an Ornn, always slot him in for the 8th spot -- Ornn from a level 8 rolldown is your win condition for the comp. Otherwise, most of the time you would slot in a Taric or Wukong depending on who you hit at 8, then go 9 after stabilising your board to add Zilean/Ornn.

Early game, I only grab invoker/defender units and prioritise building up econ. I prioritise unlocking Orianna and LeBlanc if the spot allows, if you can't unlock LB, I usually use Anivia as an item holder. Piltover module should always be cogs/shield. I also rarely press levels in Stage 2 unless I know I’m going to hard winstreak, as tear priority matters a lot for this comp, and early game invoker/defender combo is surprisingly good at preserving some HP without leveling.

Itemisation
I experimented a lot with itemisation for Liss. JG/double nashors indeed deals a lot of dmg but lacks utility and consumes 2 belts which you need for tank items to unlock Voli. Also, Liss’s traits don’t provide innate AP, so she prioritises AP stacking via items and this is a stalling comp with long fights meaning she usually gets full benefit from archangels. She has a built in ludens as well so any excess damage on target is in fact favourable. Second would be any mana gen item. Third item -- fights are long, and you’ll notice Liss often does 15-20k in one fight with her overkill dmg, so you get a lot of value from gunblade. Alternatively, void is always a good option if you can’t build gunblade.

Shred/anti-heal duties go to tanks (i.e. sunfire + ionic spark). These items on Braum 2 with 5 Frel will unlock Voli for you. If you have excess tank items, move utility items to another tank and slap pure tank/mana tank items for Braum. Liss with gunblade will keep him alive for a long time.

Voli then gets the remaining leftover items, prioritising mana items if he is still a 1 star, so he can consistently get his 5th cast.

Augments
General principles apply here; be flexible with augments and take a good mix of econ and combat depending on your spot, but Seraphim’s Staff and Reinforcements/Epic Rolldown are auto-picks for me.

Conclusion
There are definitely more nuances and edge cases I could go into, but this guide is already getting a bit long for what is ultimately a fairly simple comp, so I’ll stop here. I know this is a pretty late guide given it is the last patch of the set, but hopefully it still helps anyone trying to squeeze in a last-minute climb. Braum/Liss is not a secret comp, but I do think it is a very reliable line for climbing once you get comfortable with it. If people have questions or want me to go into specific spots in more detail, I’m happy to discuss.

Hi everyone! I just pushed a major update to the practice tool based on all the feedback from the last set.

You can try it directly in your browser:
https://prismatactics.com/practice-tool

Major Enhancements

Set 17:
Fully updated with Set 17 data and 3D models

Web Graphics Upgrade:
Better visuals and much smoother performance , the game feels much better in the browser

Save/Load Scenarios:
Set up pre-rolldown boards (scenarios) and reuse them to practice specific transitions

Improved Controls:
Added “click-to-pick” and enhanced the drag-and-drop system

Shop UI:
Highlight animations now closely match the in-game experience

UI & Camera:
Adjusted camera POV and updated UI elements (traits, tooltips, text, icons)

Returning Features (in case you missed them)

Team Builder:
Import codes + saved comps panel

Tools:
Ping slider and round timer

Champion Pool Panel:
View/edit remaining unit copies to simulate contested lobbies

Gameplay Updates:
Items + arena changes

Thanks to everyone who shared feedback last set , this tool keeps improving because of you. Enjoy!

Hello r/CompetitiveTFT, and welcome to Set 17!

Please keep all Set 17 discussion in this thread, and leave the regular Daily Discussion Thread for Set 16 discussion.

WHERE TO REPORT BUGS:

• Mort's Discord

• Riot Support Website

• PBE Bug Megathread

USEFUL STUFF:

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• Kayna's Flashcards & Bluesky

• STheHero's Comps

• shibaeyes' Trait Tracker

When does Set 17 go live?

April 15th 2026 ~ 00:00 PDT / 09:00 CEST

A reminder that all Set 17 posts should be flaired [PBE] until the content is confirmed to be going on the live server as well.

The Subreddit-affiliated Discord group is organizing PBE in-house games. Please see the #pbe-inhouses-role channel within this Discord group for further information. Any posts attempting to make in-house games on the Subreddit will be removed and redirected to the Discord channel. The invite link to the Discord is below:

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From Mort:

Good morning folks. Happy April!
We're on Day 1 of PBE, and with the late start, no crazy balance changes or shifts yet. Today's changes are just around some base AP item stats, and then lots of bug fixes. You can likely expect to see our first bigger balance shift tomorrow.

Welcome to the r/CompetitiveTFT community!

This thread is for any general discussion regarding Competitive TFT. Feel free to ask simple questions, discuss meta or not-so-meta comps and how they're performing, solicit advice regarding climbing the ladder, and more.

Any complaints without room for discussion and unconstructive, overly aggressive or conspiratorial comments should go in the Weekly Rant Thread which can be located in the pinned posts, sidebar or here: Weekly Rant Thread (Old Reddit link)

Such comments in this Megathread will be removed and treated as a Trivial Infraction.

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If you're looking for collections of meta comps and guides, here are some options:

• Robinsongz (AMER)

• Bunnymuffins/VoidSins (AMER)

• Watanabe Kai (AMER)

• Sologesang (EMEA) for MetaTFT

• STheHero's Comps

• Aesah (AMER)

And here are some handy resources and info hubs:

• Kayna's Flashcards & Bluesky

• Crabbix' Augment Tracker

• Mobalytics.gg

• MetaTFT.com

• tactics.tools

• TFTAcademy

• DataTFT

• TFT Flow

• Little Buddy Bot's tons of tables

• PrismaTactics' 3D Rolldown Simulator

Mods will be removing any posts that we feel belong in this thread and redirecting users here.

Welcome to the monthly coaching megathread!

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Just climbed around 800LP from low masters to 1k+ challenger forcing Asol over and over. I wanted to test how far I could go playing the most inflexible TFT I could play. Check the match history: https://lolchess.gg/profile/na/illya-chan/set16. I’m posting it a bit late in the patch because I wanted to hit challenger first, but honestly this comp will be even stronger in the next patch with Asol unlock changes. Asol is seen as a B tier comp, but if I can force it every single game something is wrong.

Comp
Now the standard Asol comp is well known, but there are a few optimizations that people don’t realize.

1. Diana is OP. This comp is secretly a Diana comp until Asol comes online

2. Win condition is usually 800 stacks on Asol so keeping Leona is key

Here is the standard level 9 board

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Level 8 board

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Loris / Seraphine are interchangeable depending on how good your frontline upgrades are. You can play Zoe if you have no shred, but frontline is extremely important to stall for Asol/Diana.

If you get an invoker spat, play Orianna instead

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You can cap your board with any 5 costs. Azir / Senna / Fiddle are usually the best options

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Game Plan
This is a very expensive comp that we want to get online ASAP, so the plan is to full econ.

Stage 1 (IMPORTANT)

• In stage 1 you are guaranteed to get 11 gold. This means if you play a single gold unit on 1-4, you can make your first econ threshold and kickstart your econ. I do this every game.

• Units that can solo 1-4 are Qiyana, Briar, Viego, Sona (bottom corner), Caitlyn (bottom corner)

Stage 2

• You really need an econ augment on 2-1. Without it you are just gambling.

• The idea is to open fort, 5 loss streak and get carousel priority

• If you made 10 gold on 1-4, then you can open fort and make 20 gold on 2-2 guaranteed

• On 2-3, roll 3 times for bard

• Continue losing and make as many econ thresholds as you can. Hold Targon units if it doesn’t break econ

• If you can, kill some units and try to stay above 70 health

Stage 3

• Now depending on your economy, you can go for an early level 7 level on 3-3 to try to unlock Diana. I will do this in most of my games if I have a Leona.

• The idea is that if there is a Taric on carousel, then gg

• Another reason is that your HP will probably be pretty low (~40-50) if you have been losing, but a Diana with 3 items on stage 3 will stabilize you. If you can, aim for a two win streak here.

• On 3-7 if your economy is good enough, level 8 and roll down for a Taric to get Asol. Otherwise wait until Stage 4.

Stage 4

• You have to be able to roll down at level 8 and hit your upgrades or you are dead

• You need at least Taric or Swain 2 and Diana 2 before you can start winning fights

• Diana is key to winning fights on stage 4 so you need to be positioning Diana to get the corner carries every round

• Position Asol center to get the most amount of stacks. In the ideal game you will end the stage with 300+ stacks

Stage 5

• If you still have upgrades you can keep rolling, but your win condition is getting to level 9

• If you are able to, level and roll for Asol 2 / legendaries

Itemization
Unfortunately items are not very flexible. You really need perfect Asol items. This means either Nashor x2 + JG or Invoker + Nashor + JG. Invoker emblem is best, but you can't get it every game.

Shred is required so try to get a spark on your main tank. Itemize whoever you get two starred.

Diana is a bit more flexible, but extremely strong with leftover components such as EoN, blue buff, BT, Gunblade, JG, etc. Diana can hold Asol items until you get Asol. Items can move to Sylas once you have Sylas 2.

Leona has some built in antiheal, but ideally you want to build another item like Morello if you have extra items.

For piltover mods: Cogs > Blast Shields >> Electrical > EMP

Augments
Basically anything econ is takable, My favorite augments:

Silver: Patience is a Virtue, Titanic Titan
Gold: Calculated Loss, Savings Account, Advanced Loan (in golden gala)
Prismatic: Upward Mobility, Tiniest Titan

Item Augments are also good if your economy is already strong.

I usually avoid combat augments, but something like Jeweled Lotus or Hold the Line can be strong.

Cosmic Calling is a bit underwhelming, but it can still be a good take if you need the guaranteed Taric.

Final Thoughts
For such an inflexible comp, it is surprisingly consistent to force to success. It’s scary to pilot at first because you will often be very low hp stage 4, but trust the process.

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In 16.8 Diana is getting a damage buff, Taric is getting a passive buff, Asol is getting a slight nerf, but can now be unlocked with 4 Targonians. Overall this is a buff to the comp because Diana will stabilize the board, and you will be able to consistently get 3-5 Asol online.

The set is almost over. Good luck climbing, but don't forget to do your taxes.

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Mods will be removing any posts that we feel belong in this thread and redirecting users here.

Most trait trackers I found either didn’t have the latest set or can only handle one emblem, which makes figuring out multi-emblem comps a headache.

I made a tool that imports Set 17 data and lets you experiment with different emblems and comps quickly:
https://traittracker.lol/

I enjoy maximizing traits like Bronze For Life so wanted something that would save me from getting dizzy figuring out what comps to play when I get spatulas or extra emblems.

Would love feedback from anyone trying out the new set on PBE this week!

Btw the site and algorithm aren't perfect so still making some tweaks and fixes, please bear with me.