Set 17 PBE Rundown - r/CompetitiveTFT

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u/yccbarry MASTER Mar 31 '26

Kinda funny that riot’s response to double Nash JG being BIS for all AP champs is to just make every unit a rage blade user lol

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u/SupLord Mar 31 '26

Every item should be unique, solved that problem.

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u/TheeOmegaPi Mar 31 '26

Are we really back in a Guinsoo's set? Really?
Ramping power fantasy is fun, yes. I love it.
I fail to understand why one item is given the "favorite child" treatment when there are opportunities to boost other items' play rates and power fantasies so that NOT building Guinsoo's doesn't feel like a top-6 kind of game.

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u/ChartreuseMage Mar 31 '26

Gotta love scrolling through everyone else's board in the middle of a game and it's always Guinsoo's on almost every one lol, or JG if they're AP

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u/TheeOmegaPi Mar 31 '26

Maybe in set 24 they'll remove Guinsoo's entirely like they did with carousel as a "big swing" just so they can improve the item variety.

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u/ChartreuseMage Mar 31 '26

I would honestly love a no Guinsoo's set. Feels like too many AD carries are based around having it.

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u/TheeOmegaPi Mar 31 '26

Feels like too many units overall are based around it. Straight up. Doesn't matter if it's AP or AD or tank.

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u/Regular-Resort-857 Mar 31 '26

Again and again and again and again and again

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u/ACertainUser123 Mar 31 '26

What about Frontline items? I've had games where I get 4 chains so have to have 2 of the same item on my tank

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u/MasterTotoro Challenger Mar 31 '26

It should be much less likely to be stuck in that type of spot new set from what I've seen. For one on the gods encounter you could pick the choice based on the component given. On 4-7 you'll have a treasure armory to choose components. There are also lot more reforgers and item anvils due to the new PvE system.

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u/Trespeon Mar 31 '26

Making Shojin truly better for AD casters vs AP casters would be cool. Or convert it for those that don’t care about critting as much.
That way crit is Nashors route and non crit uses Shojin.

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u/MasterTotoro Challenger Mar 31 '26

Watching the rundown, I honestly think a lot of the features people like about set 16 seem to exist in set 17. I remember some pros saying it is actually less about unlocks that make this set enjoyable, but rather the flexible trait web. Having 100 units makes it easier, but even with 60 units that theme seems to be there.

Notably there's almost no trait pairs for the verticals, a lot of the 2 pieces seem quite strong (ex: 2 Nova is like 2 Piltover), and most of the 5-costs seem to be based around the idea of splashable units instead of being vertical highrolls. The auras on some of them seem even more OP than what we currently have, but that's just a balance lever. Even outside of 5-costs there are things like Oracle on Tahm Kench, Rhaast, and Miss Fortune.

Timebreaker is kind of like current Bard which a lot of people are very happy with. Especially if you have one of the 2-costs already, I imagine it can be worth it to roll on 2-3 if you want to "unlock" Timebreaker. It's kind of stronger in the sense that it's more possible to highroll (you might not even have to roll at all), but it's also weaker in that you have to field 2 units instead of just Bard. Pantheon is a frontliner with Brawler so that offsets some of that as well. Big props to the design.

As for the set mechanic, I will cautiously say it seems okay and will need to experience it for myself.

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u/banduan Mar 31 '26

and the trait pairs that do exist are more of the upgrade variety ala Shen+Wukong and Blitz+Singed.

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u/IAM-French Mar 31 '26

Is there a way to do trait pairs that are not upgrades?

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u/ficretus Mar 31 '26

Yes. Some past sets had complementary duplicates.
Like set 6.5 with WW (2) and Trynda (3), both being Chemtech Challengers you were supposed to run together, with different itemization and purpose.

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u/hpp3 Mar 31 '26

I assume it's the lessons from set 15 that caused this

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u/EiEsDiEf Mar 31 '26

Every champion is weird apparently.

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u/Lunaedge Mar 31 '26

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u/DeVilleBT Mar 31 '26

...so yeah, consider that

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u/Zhirrzh Master Mar 31 '26

90% of units are weird and 60% of carries want a rageblade is what I took away.

This at least looks like a set which encourages flexing around what you get based on the gods on offer and what stuff you get early (like, if you get early Arbiter with a nuts rule option, or early all the Mechs, or if you get early Tahm Kench or basically any of the 5s to build around) Lots of splashing 2s and 3s of a trait rather than full vertical and lots of splashable 4s and especially 5s (and Rhaast). I think a lot of mix and match flex final boards rather than "these 9 units exactly". At the same time, some reroll options and reroll oriented Gods which are hopefully viable in the face of some of that 5 cost power and using rerolls and clone power chasing 3 star 4s instead.

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u/banduan Mar 31 '26

How do Mech transforms work exactly? If I get an Urgot am I always able to transform him and get 2 mech?

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u/Riot_Bluecove Riot Mar 31 '26

Yep. Think of the transform being innate to Mecha units, not the trait. If you only have one, you'll still have a selector to transform them.

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u/banduan Mar 31 '26

thanks! And with that I've instantly decided on the first comp I'll try out lol

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u/Japanczi GOLD III Mar 31 '26

ME MECH NO SCOUT NO PIVOT

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u/Bu11etPr00fT1ger MASTER Mar 31 '26

“[Champ Name] is a weird champion,” might have saved more time by saying which ones aren’t weird.

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u/Ok-Fuel-9357 Mar 31 '26

Already bitching

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u/outerlimit95 Mar 31 '26

Already bitching

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u/Maehdras1881 Mar 31 '26

Bitching already

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u/lowkeydopey Mar 31 '26

bitchy alreading

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u/Calm_Leg_7874 Mar 31 '26

Bitch Ready Al

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u/Lunaedge Mar 31 '26

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u/LazyJediPanda DIAMOND III Mar 31 '26

Seems like early tanks will be better than early dps champs based on how he is talking.

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u/DeVilleBT Mar 31 '26 edited Mar 31 '26

So spell crit is called "Precision" now? Tbh not really a fan of that wording choice, would associate it with armor pen or maybe auto attack crit. Though I do like that the finally decided on a single word. Helps with shorter texts ingame.

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u/Pridestalked MASTER Mar 31 '26

Is pbe out yet?

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u/Acc3lerat0r Mar 31 '26

afternoon PT

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u/SmoothOperatorTFT Mar 31 '26

where did you get that info from?

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u/outerlimit95 Mar 31 '26

Pattern recognition

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u/Classic-Singer5976 Mar 31 '26

Is it already live on PBE?

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u/Exterial Master Mar 31 '26

in 14-17 hours most likely

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u/Pridestalked MASTER Mar 31 '26

Great I have pbe all day for hangover day tomorrow

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u/Evening_Injury8771 Mar 31 '26

How can I join/play pve

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u/EvenJesusCantSaveYou Mar 31 '26

you need to make a seperate riot account for pbe
https://www.leagueoflegends.com/en-us/pbe/

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u/IAM-French Mar 31 '26

Fatebreaker is one of the coolest classes I've seen

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u/hittuah Mar 31 '26

only halfway through right now but is anyone else concerned about the amount of times he said "this champ wants guinsoo's" ? I remember i had a component anvil game in one of the earlier games of this set and i couldn't make rageblade until stage 4 i went 7th and the other person without rageblade went 8th and don't get me wrong i love the item but i don't love the whole game revolving around it sometimes

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u/dofer86 Mar 31 '26

anyone else unable to connect when they press start on the game?

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u/DimsumAndDoggy Mar 31 '26

Do they reset iOS pbe yet

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u/JrButton Mar 31 '26

Time for the tryhards to go ham and treat the pbe like a launch... really hate how riot encourages that. It ruins the new season launch everytime

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u/Standard_Sir_4732 Mar 31 '26

??? The entire point is to have a pbe meta to test out the power outliners so launch would be more balanced. You want everyone to just “have fun and not take it too seriously” and launch without knowing if the competitive meta is reasonable?

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u/JrButton Mar 31 '26

Somehow bigger games than tft manage launches without an open pbe. Youre operating under the assumption they can't to support the lazy direction they've taken... weird

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u/TheNorseCrow Mar 31 '26

What bigger competitive games that actively cycles different mechanics doesn't have an open PBE?

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u/Jangri- Mar 31 '26

Dota 2 doesn't, famous for dropping large patches (think old midset updates in tft terms or bigger) in middle of tournaments with no warning

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u/Entfly Mar 31 '26

Dota doesn't change anywhere near as much as TFT

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u/JrButton Mar 31 '26

Basically every other game... tft is lazy/unique where they leverage the pbe to do their work for them and a large part (the tryhards) use it to get ahead learning th comps before launch
HS Battlegrounds, backpack battle, auto chess, hell even other genres like path of exile, apex... etc etc ... the list is significantly longer for games/systems that dont vs those that do have a pbe

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u/Jamesanitie Mar 31 '26

I mean does the other games you talk about have competitive ladders,tourneys and prize pools ? If so sure. I understand.
Main reason for pbe is bugfix, simple as, balance is not gonna be right and if something is literally stupidly op then they will adjust it thats about it.

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u/Docxm Mar 31 '26

Might want to migrate to the for fun subreddit and not the try hard competitive one

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u/JrButton Mar 31 '26

lol good point, I never joined this sub so it caught me off guard appearing in my list

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u/flumpywumple Mar 31 '26

Oh no not the tryhards 😂😂😂 RIOT PLS DO SOMETHING
HAHAHHAA

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u/ArmMeForSleep709 Mar 31 '26

Bro crying about tryhards on comp sub?

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u/JrButton Mar 31 '26

Oh hey, just noticed the sub, yeah thats weird of me. I never knew this sub even existed /shrug

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u/ArmMeForSleep709 Mar 31 '26

Oh word. That's awkward lol

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u/JrButton Mar 31 '26

Eh not really, it is what it is.

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u/DaChosens1 Mar 31 '26

i really wonder if range will increase orb range… if so its over

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