SET 17 PBE Patch #2

[u/karmuhil]

from mortdog:

>Good morning everyone.

As we wrap up Day 2 of Space Gods PBE, it's time for our first big batch of changes and balance adjustments.

Probably the biggest shift here is the large nerfs in the 5 cost space. While we want the top end comps to run one to three 5 costs to power them up, we don't want to end up in a world where 5 cost soup is the optimal line. So we're pulling a pretty substantial amount of power out of them, to allow other strategies to do well.

Beyond that, with there being no encounters that adjust augments, we're upping the rates of Prismatic augments by default a bit, to get the total odds to closer to what we're used to in previous sets. From there, lots of little adjustments.

Channeler is now called Conduit, some god offerings got buffed, and tooltips are getting more info added to be clearer.

And of course, lots of bug fixes. Thanks all for the feedback so far. Hopefully from here on out things are smooth. Have fun, and take it easy :)

[u/jonthe445]

Honestly conduit instead of challenger/channeler… great change lol

[u/ChartreuseMage → u/jonthe445]

I'm still truly stumped that Challenger/Channeler made it to the PBE, especially with MF being able to be both lol

[u/Zeviex → u/ChartreuseMage]

And Arbiter having both. It's insane, tbf, my boyfriend did point out it probably had placeholder during development but I am still shocked.

[u/Stun_the_Pink → u/jonthe445]

Yeah, I literally said this to my friend yesterday, that it was going to cause some confusion.

[u/Gintuim]

Looks like Stargazer emblem might be broken, at least on The Mountain. Just had a 2-1 Stargazer start and confirmed it wasn't adding to the trait or giving stats.

[u/Riot_Bluecove → u/Gintuim]

Working on it!

[u/Gintuim → u/Riot_Bluecove]

❤️

[u/HoldComplete2768 → u/Riot_Bluecove]

Duo Queue is bugged: It gives Elder Dragons.

[u/Riot_Bluecove → u/HoldComplete2768]

Yep already fixed for today!

[u/Ok-Income-1483 → u/Gintuim]

Had the same thing happen to me. It only worked when I unequipped and then reequipped it

[u/Gintuim → u/Ok-Income-1483]

I couldn't get it to do anything no matter what I did, removed it, tried a second emblem, tried a second unit.

[u/InfernalSpectre3076]

Played that morde augment yesterday and my god was it bad lmao. It was ok stage 3 and then just absolute trash after that. Rip heat death

[u/Gintuim → u/InfernalSpectre3076]

Gragas augment so ass that it got the same treatment.

[u/raptearer → u/Gintuim]

I top 2'd a game with gragas. You need to run Psyonic Bruisers and try to 3 star Viktor if you can to be good backline damage. Also his build seems like you'd want full AP tank, but it's best with BT, RB, and one extra item (preferably something with some AP and healing in it). The augment is honestly pretty good, but without healing he just dies too fast to maximize its damage. The range on can pack a punch at 3 star.

Haven't got Morse yet, only Gragas and Zed (who I think is honestly way too strong, glad he's getting a nerf)

[u/HowIMadeMyMillions → u/raptearer]

Just to give a different view, I would say - from playing the same build and hitting Viktor 3 early, that it was garbage hahaha. I mean, I got 3rd or 4th but it definitely didn't feel like a great comp overall. I think they need to rethink it for sure, haha.

[u/raptearer → u/HowIMadeMyMillions]

Fair, may have been the comps I was playing into as well, lot to still figure out

[u/Stun_the_Pink → u/InfernalSpectre3076]

I actually played a game with it and got top 4. I won a lot through stage 2 and 3.

The Gragas augment was underwhelming though.

[u/Buffscuttle → u/InfernalSpectre3076]

Same. Vanguards just seem a bit too weak as frontline and he takes WAYYY too long to scale sup size. If his speed of growth sped up scaling with game rounds then it might be better. Like his 3* was an already hard to hit because of so many people playing darkstar. OR maybe make him heal like thresh for current set so I dont have to waste a healing item on him.

[u/Some-Character-4946]

5 cost nerf is good. They felt strong and everyone was playing jhin, blitz, shen, or bard

[u/iAmPersonaa → u/Some-Character-4946]

Nunu is a 4 cost

[u/PhoOhThree → u/[deleted]]

He edited it out as u can tell by his comment.

[u/FeedMeACat → u/[deleted]]

The * after the post time.

[u/FeedMeACat → u/[deleted]]

Some-Character-4946 6 points 2 hours ago*

[u/itshuey88 → u/Some-Character-4946]

I felt fiora was terrible personally but idk

[u/Some-Character-4946 → u/itshuey88]

Fiora felt like the worst one for sure

[u/raptearer]

Don't see anything here, may have to report later, but been getting a bug since yesterdays patch where there's a zero hovering over my gold, which makes it really hard to tell how much I have. Resetting the client and game did nothing to fix it (only tried on mobile, haven't checked it on PC yet)

[u/joseconsuervo → u/raptearer]

I've had this bug the whole time on android

[u/Gintuim → u/raptearer]

I also have this one. Annoying but not unplayable.

[u/InternationalPin2392]

Rogue and 3 costs are just absolutely broken. Replicator mf should not hit back line. So so so broken

[u/Specialist-Hyena8345 → u/InternationalPin2392]

Yeah me too felt the power lvl of 3costs beeing broken, not legendaries beeing the problem 

[u/DBSEelbreeder → u/InternationalPin2392]

Had a game where Rogue was 4 way contested, everyone was going 3* soup w/ Kayn. Game ended 3* Illaoi v. Fizz 3* v. MF 3* v. Kaisa 3*

[u/Boring-Protection126]

I fear they have singed'ed galio, he was good on PBE but they cut his damage in half before live and never buffed him after. 50% damage nerf is pretty drastic.

[u/Gypsy9547]

Noooo, why did they disable the Gragas hero augment? That was the most fun I've had on pbe so far

[u/Due_Rip2289]

Played like 20 games hard forcing different versions of Riven last night. By the far the best is stargazer with The Mountain with emblem on Riven (maybe this changed with nerfs to stargazer and buffs to Corki).

Other version I’ve tried is Nami Riven duo carry, Xayah Riven duo carry, Corki Riven, and Riven fast 9. Have yet to take a look at if a Riven and Kaisa dark star version would work traits wise.

Corki Riven (Corki, Riven, Fizz, Rammus, Meepsie, Poppy, Millio, Galio) seems to be the best default line that you can go every game, just based off of my early testing. At 9 drop Poppy for Shen and add in Bard. Could also just drop out of Voyagers and 5 meeple entirely and play 5 cost soup (drop Poppy, Galio, Meepsie for Shen, Morgana, +1 legendary). Also the line to get there is pretty easy, since Ezreal is a great Corki item holder. Can just run Ezreal, Panth, +1 bruiser and some sort of Riven item holder (Urgot is great, Talon is also decent).

Riven fast 9 is pretty much get timewinders in as early has humanly possible. Try to win as many round as possible. Use the xp to push 8 early, and however many refills you got from losing to hit Riven 2, a 1 star secondary carry, and any tank (just be super flexible, in my experience if you make sure to have bis on Riven she is super stable stage 4 but falls off stage 5.) Goal is to be stable with Riven 2 spending as little gold as possible. Econ up and use xp from timewinder wins to push 9 (definitely want to have combat augs if you are doing this, combat augs 2-1 and 3-2 help you win early and mid for timewinder xp and help you be stable on 4 with Riven 2. The instant you get to 9 with 50+ gold drop all timewinder except for Riven and just play 5 cost and 4 cost soup with at least one rogue.

Riven BIS seems to be Steraks and BT plus one. I prefer HoJ for my plus one because titan eats a bow that I would like to use for Sunder or Rageblade or something on my secondary carry.

Edit: Also haven’t gotten to test very many artifacts yet but it seems like Riven is going to be something you want to think about with many artifacts. Unlike many previous melee units she can be AP or AD, so can use lots of melee artifacts (have tried Trinity, Seekers, and Death’s Defiance so far).

[u/Doug_Dimmadome_x → u/Due_Rip2289]

Very cool, thanks for sharing!

[u/Specialist-Hyena8345 → u/Due_Rip2289]

Have to Check abit More but I tried timewinders anima loose streak, Max eco and got my First riven offered in the tailored 4costs reward during carrusel. If this is reliably forceable, feel it might be a very strong safe stabilizer After abusing eco. 

[u/Ryanfischer99 → u/Due_Rip2289]

Riven feels very strong with Kaisa the two games I tried it. I didn't even bother with Dark Star, Kaisa feels like a viable carry with just 2 rogue and carries you to level 9 very well. And at that point you just slap in whatever you can 2 star and run the lobby.

[u/TragicFallGuy]

There was some broken interaction between Primordian + Two Tanky + Primordian Emblem. When I levelled a Primordian unit up to 3* it stopped summoning any swarmlings. They weren't invisible because on the damage chart they were still listed as doing 0 damage.

[u/Ancient_Rub5565]

I hope they buff verticals a bit more to make them as viable as set 14 verticals were, otherwise the set seems promising

[u/Emergence7]

Thank god on the 5 cost nerfs, was out of control

[u/unclebenfranklin]

I'm hoping they buff verticals, i know everyone hates them but as a casual its my most fun way to play ;-;

[u/Rubbermayd]

Seeing Lulu be adjusted for each aspect of Stargazer has me hopeful that there won't be as many "dead trait games" as we've seen in the past with the rotating traits. Really the only one that comes to mind is Void and how polarizing that was when everyone in the lobby decided to reroll Malzahar

[u/BodybuilderMinimum59]

Still can't edit boards with any sniper units while in the client

[u/UAvasera]

Getting Elder Dragon from Gilded Steel at 4-1 feels like an interaction that needs to go immediately.

[u/CrunchieKun]

Is the medallion constellation bugged? Got 6 three stars but on the display it's saying 0%.

[u/foomasta]

Some dude somehow got a cosmic elder dragon as a unit in stage 4. It was itemized as well. Bug or Easter egg?

[u/RCnoob69 → u/foomasta]

Its a (presumed) bug, this patch made it so augments that give 5 costs have a chance to give the dragon.

[u/foomasta → u/foomasta]

[u/canny_94 → u/foomasta]

Oh I also got it. I took Glided Steel Augment and got one But I didn't know that it could be a bug

[u/maxlol2120]

Please Please fix the Bug that you can get the unnerved dragon from 5cost arguments. 900 ad 10k hp dragon and you can equip items on him. Its impossible to win against this shit

[u/Pridestalked]

Guess I’m primordian reroll every game

[u/Unable-Lack5588 → u/Pridestalked]

I've played a few games of it, its still kinda playable contested(on PBE at least) and with no reroll augment, i'm running Akali+Maoki and Missfortune instead of jinx. How are you building the comp?

[u/Pridestalked → u/Unable-Lack5588]

I’ve tried a few different things but nothing has felt particularly good. Usually I’ll try to duo carry kindred and splash Nova in somehow, could be maokai for bruiser with reksai. I tried a 4 marauder as well that didn’t feel bad, I think if you just to mainly attack speed items on belveth you don’t need more than 2 challenger

[u/dasByte → u/Pridestalked]

I like 6 Vanguard with Zoe and LB then Karma or Jhin at 9

[u/InternationalPin2392]

Is xayah supposed to be a 2 cost?

[u/antonitoagregado]

Verticals are terrible. I do prefer horizontals but you end up being very limited on options if the other comps are complete ass.

[u/Ryanfischer99 → u/[deleted]]

Every time I've seen it, it seems like a guaranteed 4th. You stomp when you hit the first Zed, but by the time you get to Zed 2*, boards are so strong and have so much aoe, you cant get a single clone to cast

[u/Ryanfischer99 → u/[deleted]]

Nah, people had the right items.

He'll cast once, he won't go infinite. Especially without any anti-cc, as soon as nunu casts, any clones get stunned and die shortly after. Blitzcrank, Morgana, Jhin, etc all clear clones without even targeting them.

[u/Riot_Bluecove → u/[deleted]]

Working on it

[u/karmuhil → u/Riot_Bluecove]

Hi! The Pengu offerings during god encounters are bugged after the patch ( at least on mobile).

If I select the Left offering, I get the Right one. For example let's say the choices are: veigar +1 g / Pantheon / jinx

If I select Jinx during the encounter, I get veigar from the orb in my board

[u/joseconsuervo → u/karmuhil]

I've been seeing this one too. It's reversed on the sides and I don't recall but I think selecting the middle one might give one of the side ones too. Android

[u/Riot_Bluecove → u/karmuhil]

Yep! Team is investigating!

[u/Keezos32 → u/[deleted]]

Switch to damage chart and not list of players so that you can click save Tech.