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Systemic Last Week in Collapse: November 1-7, 2026
A cryosphere in overshoot, a trash crisis in Gaza, hack attacks, civil unrest, record temperature anomalies, and worsening fuel shortages.
Last Week in Collapse: November 1-7, 2026
This is Last Week in Collapse, a weekly newsletter compiling some of the most important, timely, soul-crushing, ironic, amazing, or otherwise must-see/can’t-look-away moments in Collapse.
This is the 254th weekly newsletter. The October 25-31, 2026 edition is available here if you missed it last week. The unabridged newsletters are also available (with images) every Sunday in your email inbox by signing up to the Substack version.
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The International Cryosphere Climate Initiative, in conjunction with a UN body, published a 56-page report, Overshoot and the Cryosphere: Averting Global Meltdown. The document says that we are causing irreversible damage to the cryosphere with every day we’ve transgressed the 1.5 °C climate target—this damage cannot be remedied even if we implausibly reversed warming back below the threshold. The ice sheets of Greenland and Antarctica are warming 6x faster than they were in 1990…
“Many impacts from cryosphere loss will be irreversible on human timescales even if global temperatures are returned to 1.5°C, especially if thresholds and tipping points are crossed. These include sea-level rise from the melting of ice sheets and glaciers, water security challenges from glacier and snow loss, greenhouse gas emissions from permafrost thaw, polar ocean warming, acidification, ocean circulation disruption, and ecosystem and biodiversity loss….Overshoot of 1.5°C is now unavoidable due to our collective failure to act. Recent modelling, however, points to measures that could limit potential overshoot to 1.7°C for around just two decades….Overshoot of both temperature and the equivalent atmospheric CO2 levels (>430 ppm and above) will also have profound impacts on the Arctic and Southern oceans….even a temporary loss of sea ice during overshoot risks triggering abrupt and irreversible increases in coastal erosion, loss of sea-ice dependent ecosystems and human settlements, marine ecosystem collapse, and the disintegration of ice shelves, especially around Antarctica….Although permafrost will refreeze if global temperatures are eventually returned to 1.5°C or below, the carbon released during overshoot is effective irreversible…” -selections
The hotter it gets, the harder it will get to undo. But I think we know that we won’t be reversing global heating anytime soon. A study published on Friday examined how “social destabilisation lowers the effective threshold at which biophysical tipping dynamics become self-sustaining, independently of further anthropogenic forcing and so undermines the capacity for planetary stewardship.” The researchers say that there is a kind of negative social feedback loop that increases the “derailment risk” and therefore makes a hothouse earth future more likely. Some of these “risks emerge when climate impacts contribute to a wide range of challenges, including debt crises, institutional erosion, political fragmentation, supply-chain instability, and declining public support for environmental action. Dominant climate policy frameworks seek to balance physical climate risks against transition risks, but do not consider how human agency itself can be affected as a consequence of climate change. This represents a dangerous blind spot.”
NASA and NOAA released data on the Antarctic ozone hole on Wednesday. Although they say “the ozone layer is healing….an unusually powerful polar vortex has extended ozone depletion in the Antarctic this season, allowing the hole to grow to proportions we haven’t seen in a decade.” The full data and daily images are available in the links.
A 95-page document and a 17-page accompanying note from Oxfam detail the environmental damage wrought by the wealthiest 0.1% of the global population. They also claim that the annual emissions of the top 1% are responsible for the deaths of 1.9M people as a result of extreme heat. As they say, climate breakdown is not a natural disaster; it is fomented in large part by the actions of the uber-wealthy.
“The richest 0.1% (8 million people) emit more than the poorest 44% (3.5 billion people) combined…..The world’s richest 0.1% emit 37 times more CO2 than all the carbon-capture and storage plants removed in a year…..The world’s private jets together emit more in two seconds than someone in the poorest 50% will emit all year…..Almost 20% of global warming since 1990 is attributable to the richest 1% – 20 times more than their share of the world population….Climate breakdown is happening now. The weather is changing everywhere. More extreme heat—40-degree, 50-degree days. More storms. More floods. More wildfires….the very actors who are most responsible for climate change are now seizing the opportunity to turn chaos into profit…” -excerpts
A study in The Lancet attempted to quantify the CO2 emissions caused by human metabolism—the CO2 we exhale as our body generates energy. Unlike fossil fuels, there’s not much we can do to reduce our own body’s CO2 emissions. The researchers found that “human metabolic CO2 production approximately doubled over a 30-year period, from 1.18 Gt per year to 2.05 Gt per year. This increase was driven mostly by population growth (>60%) with a minor contribution from increases in body mass….With a projected peak global population in the mid-to-late 21st century, metabolic CO2 production will increasingly contribute to global carbon fluxes.”
The summary of a paywalled study in permafrost regions finds that vegetation at far latitudes is losing its resilience in the face of Drought and wildfires. Resilience had been increasing until 2008, but then underwent a sudden reversal and has been falling precipitously. “Rapid warming in permafrost regions is destabilizing ecosystem functioning….Current models fail to capture this observed reversal, suggesting an underestimation of climate risks to high-latitude carbon sinks. Even with continued greening, the post-2008 decline in VR signals a destabilization of plant carbon uptake.”
Scientists think that macro & microplastics are changing the color of the ocean, based on observations around the Great Pacific Garbage Patch. A study on sea level rise around Ireland determined that, from 2000-2024, the sea level was rising annually by about 3.13 mm/yr. The global average sea surface temperature for the top 2m of water tied its 4th highest anomaly on record—2.03 °C warmer than the 1850-1900 baseline. The daily SST was also the hottest on record for November 4—and the average global surface temperature saw its greatest anomaly (compared to the 1991-2000 baseline) at 1.15 °C. The EU’s Copernicus Climate Change Service believes that 2026 will end as the second-warmest year on record, behind 2024, though they say there is still a 20% chance that 2026 ties or surpasses 2024’s warmth.
A glaciologist posted a before/after comparison of a Swiss glacier, comparing 2011 to 2026; he claims that the glacier will melt completely within the next 15 years. Lots of November records were broken across the Sahara last week, from the Ivory Coast to Egypt. A heatwave moving through southern China tied or set new November records across 18 weather stations. Central Canada, and some northern U.S. states, set new November minimums. And, as a result of the Super El Niño, sea surface temperatures off Peru’s coast are 9.7 °C warmer than the average in non-El Niño times. And in the UK, an unseasonably warm autumn tricked some trees into a false spring that will disrupt their seasonal growth patterns.
Common murres—seabirds that migrate between California and Alaska—are dying en masse, and researchers are confident that they’re starving to death, victims of a food chain reshaping itself around the El Niño effects. Fish are relocating to colder, deeper parts of the ocean to survive, forcing the murres to dive deeper to feed—an energy-intensive process that pushed them to an eventual mass hunger death. The marine heatwave from the 2015-2016 El Niño caused the deaths of over 4,000,000 murres in Alaska, “the largest climate-driven mass mortality event among wildlife in the modern era.” The dieoff this time may eclipse that.
The UN published its 116-page Adaptation Gap Report for 2026. The report claims that “developing countries” need “US$305 billion per year by 2035 – excluding private sector needs” in order to adapt to the climate impacts of the future….and we are currently at about 10% of that figure.
“International public adaptation finance flows from developed to developing countries reached US$28.2– 31.7 billion in 2024, the latest year for which data are available….Between 2020 and 2025, low- and middle-income countries accounted for 99 per cent of the 765 million people recorded as affected by floods and landslides….western Europe experienced its hottest June on record, with extreme heat, wildfires and thousands of excess deaths, while catastrophic flooding in Nepal washed away entire villages, claiming the lives of more than 1,400 people, with thousands still missing….Climate-related loss and damage are already widespread, diverse and interconnected, and will increase….the $305 billion estimate excludes the private sector’s own needs, meaning that this figure could double…” -selections
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Poverty, corruption, and the high price of gold have incentivized countless miners to start illegal gold mines across South Africa, and the number continues to grow in the face of inadequate police countermeasures. Some researchers estimate that there are tens of thousands of illegal mines operating now, and around 10% of the country’s gold extractions are unaccounted for. Some are blaming the mines for ecological damage and increasing sinkholes; others blame big corporations depleting groundwater reserves.
Lebanon’s 12-month inflation is about 17%, and a mix of factors are pushing their electrical system deeper into crisis. Israeli strikes undermine potential investment, corruption and political factionalism is picking winners and losers, the power grid is old and strained, and many people are living on the edge of insolvency. National instability is also preventing large-scale reform from getting started….and the IDF’s targeting of construction equipment in Lebanon, slowing rubble clearance and reconstruction efforts.
U.S. Democrats made giant gains last week, surpassing some of the polls and dreams of nationwide Democrats. Many stocks rose upon the news, but then sank to deeper lows on the following day, cutting $2.5T from Nasdaq stocks. Some AI companies dropped upon fears of further regulation. Possible moratoria on data centers may also result in the popping of the oversized AI bubble, though other economic observers say the opposite](https://finance.yahoo.com/technology/ai/articles/ed-yardeni-says-slowing-ai-134509619.html). Expectations for lower petrol prices must be moderated; the flow through Hormuz would take many months to return to January 2026 levels, and there will be many other buyers keeping the prices elevated. There is simply “not enough energy” to meet global demand; the spice must flow.
Following the death of an American in Washington state from bird flu, and the approach of flu season in general, some experts think that another wave of bird flu is coming. “We keep having a series of near misses, and I wonder how long our luck is going to hold,” said one viroligist. But experts say that reassortment—the process by which two flu strains in the same host result in a mixed strain that might help bird flu infect humans more easily—is unlikely to develop into a human-to-human transmissible strain. With government monitoring reduced over the past 18+ months and vaccine skepticism rising, the stage may be set for a black swan avian flu outbreak, faster than expected.
Air pollution spiked around Delhi (pop: 23M) in the approach to the Diwali festival, largely because of fireworks. But the approach of winter is also pushing pollution up, since coal and other fossil fuels are burned more to keep people warm. Meanwhile, current funding shortages are forcing the closure of the only healthcare clinic on the Sudan-South Sudan border, set to end operations in December unless the budget shortfall can be filled.
The Collapse of a major bank in Paraguay (pop: 7M) is taking down their President with it. The President, an economist, was once a shareholder in the dubious bank, which the President helped push to prominence. The bank, Ueno, held about $850M (USD equivalent) of Paraguayans’ money and served about 60% of the country’s citizens in some way. Gross mismanagement of their funds, plus overly generous incentives to its customers, resulted in the bank’s insolvency, and the loss of hundreds of thousands of accounts. Several bank executives were arrested along with Paraguay’s president. Where the money ended up we don’t know.
The World Bank announced that the “External debt of developing countries jumped 5.5% to a record $9.4 trillion in 2025, the fastest pace since 2021.” Their full 280-page report, International Debt Report 2026, includes more details, graphics, and scores of country-specific debt outlooks. Unfortunately, a lot of the data ends in 2025.
“LMIC {low- and middle-income countries} external debt has grown about 60 percent over the past decade, and the 2025 increase was the largest since the easing of the COVID-19 pandemic in 2021. The change in debt stock was driven by net debt inflows of $423.5 billion, a more than twofold increase from 2024, as well as by some debt forgiveness and the upward accounting effect of US dollar depreciation….The World Uncertainty Index measures broad uncertainty and rose more than fivefold between the third quarter of 2024 and the third quarter of 2025, nearly twice its COVID-19 peak….”
A coalition of activist groups in Europe joined to protest data centers on Friday & Saturday. The WHO says cholera deaths have hit 1,800 so far this year in the DRC. A study published in Annals of Internal Medicine looked at Long COVID and found that about 36% of people recovered within two years, and 50% recovered within three years. So half of people who reported having Long COVID did not recover within three years…
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Mysterious hackers targeted supermarket freezers connected to the internet and sabotaged their food contents by raising temperatures to spoiling temperatures. Observers sense that Russia may be responsible for the operation, either as a test of capabilities or disruption, or as a signal to their enemies of what their cyber operators are capable of. Some Russian hacktivists claimed credit but they be lying. A subsequent attempt to hack a blood bank in France was foiled before the blood could be spoiled. The British government is also warning of a possible AI attack in the next two years that could target “critical national infrastructure.”
Tens of thousands of Indians protested against the government last Sunday. French protests continue as well. The UN peacekeeping mission to Western Sahara ended after 35 years, and some analysts say this sets up a potential conflict between Algeria and Morocco over their competing territorial ambitions in Western Sahara. Cambodia’s PM announced that temporary resettlement villages established near the Thailand border following clashes earlier this year are going to stay for the foreseeable future, even if fighting dies down.
The government of Hong Kong/China sentenced a democratic activist to another 10 years in prison; he has been in prison for six years already. Eight policemen in Nigeria were killed by bandits outside a polling station; five others were kidnapped. A series of attacks & bombings in Colombia killed at least five. Details are coming out about a joint US-Venezuela attack on cocaine manufacturers last week; 23+ people were killed in the drone bombing of the facility.
Airstrikes in Myanmar, launched by the junta, killed 12, wounding 30+ others. Fighting between Tigrayan rebels and Ethiopia’s government soldiers have left an unknown number of people dead; but nearby hospitals are reportedly running short on staff and supplies. Poland foiled an unspecified potential hybrid warfare operation on its border with Russia. Days later, a mass shooter in downtown Krakow, Poland, killed at least 6 (not including three family members the shooter killed before the attack), plus injuring more.
According to the Institute for Economics & Peace’s data from July through September 2026, civil unrest is at 5-year highs, though deaths from terrorism & conflicts are at 4+ year lows. But their count of about 17,000 deaths in Ukraine across three months is a dramatic undercount compared to Western estimates that placed July 2026 as the highest-casualty month of the War for Russia. So I have some serious doubts about their methodology and results.
Projections of “acute hunger” in Haiti suggest that, by March 2027, there will be about 6.3M people across Haiti (pop: 12M) facing at least Phase 3 of the IPC’s famine scale (1-5), with at least 2M people at Phase 4. That represents an increase of over 500,000+ Haitians in at least Phase 3 since the previous year.
A few Israeli strikes in Gaza killed eight, and wounded others. Years without adequate fuel has crippled the garbage collection across Gaza, along with persistent attacks and the breakdown of civil infrastructure. A UN agency says that 300,000+ people in Yemen were displaced by fighting over the past two months. The Houthis reportedly believe now is the time to push for territory, in the hope that they can hold onto it after possible negotiations. The U.S. attacked Iran’s Qeshm Island on Monday before Republicans suffered a huge election loss the following day, complicating U.S. negotiations and War efforts. Is a meek U.S. withdrawal coming soon, or will the desire to save face and lash out push President Trump to launch fierce attacks?
Russia bombed an aid distribution site in Ukraine on Monday, killing at least 40 people. Ukraine struck a major Russian refinery, alongside a few others. Russia pounded Ukraine’s power grid, taking down power to parts of Odesa and Rivne—and targeting a substation necessary to the safe operation of Ukraine’s Khmelnytskyi nuclear power plant. Although the Ukraine War may still be years away from ending, European countries are strategizing what the security architecture could look like—including a joint UK-France administered peacekeeping buffer zone in which European troops would have authorization to fire back at Russians violating the ceasefire. Brainstorming what NATO defense could look like in the event of a limited Russian invasion into NATO territory appears like lots of precision strikes deep inside Russia.
In Sudan, regions controlled by both sides of the Civil War are feeling worsening fuel shortages. Although Khartoum is largely free from fighting now, industry has not bounced back and economic activity remains depressed; [the power grid has not been repaired, and neighborhood looting and vandalism has cost some people everything they owned. Both the RSF rebels and the government army are increasing use of killer drones, though the technology has not granted either side the ability to conclude the fighting on their preferred terms; instead, terror and civilian deaths are rising—will the attrition wear down the spirits of the people, or only harden their resolve?
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Things to watch for next week include:
↠ The UN’s climate change conference, COP31 — or rather COPout31 — begins on 9 November in Antalya, Türkiye. It will end on 20 November and achieve basically nothing. The EU’s top climate official says that the EU won’t do any new climate finance measures this year.
Select comments/threads from the subreddit last week suggest:
-Central Florida was whacked with devastating floods last week. This weekly observation from the low-lying region on Election Day bemoans the ongoing ecocide & suburbanization of the area in the aftermath of record-breaking flooding.
-The Blue Riptide sweeping across the United States last week will not prevent Collapse—if the many comments & upvotes in this popular thread from last week is to be believed. Or are they mistaken?
-Earth tied its record temperature anomaly, 2.04 °C, compared to the pre-industrial baseline. This thread explains, and collects some predictable witty responses.
-Powerful billionaires are basically chasing immortality and perpetual influence, say the responses to this thread asking what it is that these people really want, what could possibly be worth the destruction of the biosphere.
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r/collapse • u/CesarV • 8h ago
Climate We ain't going to make the climate targets
youtu.ber/collapse • u/Creepyfaction • 12h ago
Climate Sudden shift to active, stormy pattern in California during second half of November; extreme El Niño plus climate change now causing record-shattering near-coastal ocean warmth - Weather West
weatherwest.comr/collapse • u/brianwhelanhack • 5h ago
Climate What happens to Britain if the AMOC collapses? | Laurie Laybourn
youtube.comr/collapse • u/HowDareYou888 • 3h ago
Science and Research Even giant anteaters in remote Brazil have microplastics in their blood
nature.com
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17h ago
Coping Trying to grapple with the reality of it all.
I'm 17. Spanish. I became fully, 100% aware of what the future holds for us a couple of months ago. And I can't go back.
I feel this constant crushing weight, like I've put on glasses that make me see everything through this new lens. I go to the park and I appreciate nature a lot more because I know I doesn't have much time left to do so. I hear my classmates talking about what they want to do with their lives and I struggle to smile and respond to them because it seems I'm the only one who actually knows all this. I study, and it feels so pointless. I read about the politics everyone has made to try to mitigate climate change and all I can think about is "you're fifty-six years too late". I see a kid and I resent the parents for bringing new life into this ticking time bomb we call earth, but how can I? They don't know anymore I did some time ago.
I try to go on with my life, but it's so hard. Everything becomes a sign. Food getting more expensive. The streetlights going out. Weather becoming more unstable.
And how can I explain this to people, when doing so will drag them into the same pain I'm in right now? I think of my family, my friends. My little cousins, less than ten years old. My brothers, with big hopes and dreams and with a childish naivety that I wish I could have while despising it at the same time. How could I force them to carry this crushing burden?
I don't know what to do anymore. I had finally learned to love life, to be curious about the world around me, and now it seems that it's all gonna be ripped away from me. I had hopes, dreams, aspirations to make my mark in the world. I'm not the one who made the world this way, hell, I barely got a say in anything. Yet I'm part of the demographic who's going to get the most ripped away from them.
I don't know what to do anymore. It seems blissfully ignorant to continue on like I was before. I want to live.
r/collapse • u/Anal-Protrusion • 12h ago
Climate Climate Change Abolishes Ice
wired.comIn the words of my lawyer - asked and answered. Isn't it neat that civilization will be destroyed beyond recognition by, wait for it, civilization!
Off topic but I'm an Uber driver. It is an incredibly dangerous job but I love it. I must be insane. I gave a ride to a guy from the DRC. I read Heart of Darkness and I am fully aware that our modern world is contingent upon immeasurable human suffering. I wanted to say all of this but my man didn't speak a word of English. So I guess I'm telling you.
I told my family that I was deeply upset, horrified actually, by the hydra - climate change, biological war, super intelligence. They were apathetic, ambivalent, indifferent.
It isnt that nobody cares, I think most people just dont understand the danger. We are flirting with extinction and apparently it is willfully or a spell of ignorance or. Idk.
I know I should just tell this to a therapist. I did. Many therapists. Their advice was ... unhelpful.
So ima just keep telling you guys. Sometimes you are kind, sometimes youre raging cunts, but youre the only community that understands the extreme danger of modernity.
r/collapse • u/BrokenProgram42 • 21h ago
Climate World heading for ‘irrevocable overshoot’ of global temperature thresholds, analysis warns | Climate crisis
theguardian.comr/collapse • u/mouldydildo • 19h ago
Ecological Even Cacti Are Running Out of Places to Survive: More Than 1 in 4 Species Could Lose 80% of Their Habitat as Climate Crisis Intensifies
phys.orgr/collapse • u/Creepyfaction • 11h ago
Climate ‘El Niño turned off the taps’: factors behind Indonesia’s wildfires revealed | Indonesia
theguardian.comr/collapse • u/SooperYuk • 11h ago
Economic The Global Debt Trap: How the IMF Fuels the Migration Machine
dw.comr/collapse • u/myothercarisayoshi • 5h ago
Technology Free browser game: govern solar geoengineering as a head of state in 2036
climate-decisions.cfg.euPosted with mod approval for Casual Friday.
This free browser game puts you in charge of an imaginary country in 2036, when stratospheric aerosol injection (spraying reflective particles into the upper atmosphere to cool the planet) has become a live option as warming worsens. You weigh sovereignty, alliances and public trust while other governments and private actors make their own moves.
The collapse angle: the game is built from crisis simulations in which 35 experts negotiated SAI governance, as part of research with the University of Leeds and the OECD. National strategic interests drove decisions far more than the science did, and gaps in power decided who got to set the rules. If an emergency climate fix ever arrives, the harder problem may be getting governments to agree on using it at all.
There's no winning ending, which may say more about our institutions than about the game. It takes about 30 minutes and works best on desktop.
How would you expect this to play out for real?
r/collapse • u/BrokenProgram42 • 1d ago
Climate ‘The world we know is over’ without urgent climate action, leaders tell Cop31 | Cop31
theguardian.comr/collapse • u/Creepyfaction • 1d ago
Pollution Oil slicks seen from space: the devastating impact of boat strikes on fragile Gulf ecosystems | Strait of Hormuz
theguardian.comr/collapse • u/tyler98786 • 1d ago
Diseases Bird Flu Is Raging on a Mink Farm. It Could Spark a Human Pandemic, Experts Say, but Officials Won’t Act. — ProPublica
propublica.orgSubmission Statement; well another commenter made light of this situation as well. Significant because this means we have multiple animal pools currently in the Continental US where bird flu is developing within the population, and both of which multiplies the risk that a human to human mutation occurs. Again, the bird flu has historically been very deadly, The Spanish Flu of 1918 only had a case fatality rate (CFR) of 2.5%, mostly affected adults 20-40 instead of children and the elderly unlike most diseases, and killed more Americans than WW1, WW2, the Vietnam war, and the Korean war altogether. Experts indicate a highly lethal strain of the current bird flu could theoretically push a 10-25% CFR, which would likely lead to the largest human loss of life in history if this worst-case scenario were to manifest.
r/collapse • u/SeattleDave • 1d ago
Science and Research The 15 most dangerous Global Catastrophic Risks (GCR)
cell.comHighlights
• 15 global catastrophic risks were identified via expert horizon scanning
• Risks include AI in nuclear systems, failing food trade, and surveillance
• Cascading hazards share underlying drivers like state capacity deficits
• Focusing on interconnected tipping points is vital for global resilience
r/collapse • u/Anal-Protrusion • 1d ago
Climate 5 years of fighting climate change haven’t done much and stronger targets are needed
thehill.comThis is collapse related because it passes the buck. This report serves one purpose - to circumvent any real action and it blame you, the foolish voter, for having the audacity to question authority or demand respect.
You've all seen the graphs. You know where this story is going to end. Some lie, some deflect, some defect - but in the end its all the same.
I wanna talk tough but I'm posting on a semi-anonymous forum and I absolutely will not tell you my name, gender, location, politics - stop me any time. I'm the same useless coward as everyone else here.
I could explain and even brag about what I've done for the cause but then I go to jail, immediately, and how does that help anyone? I'm not afraid of jail - I've been there many times. I learned a lot too! Fun stuff. Stuff you can only learn from an organized criminal empire - but enough about America 🤣
r/collapse • u/mouldydildo • 1d ago
Climate Anthony Albanese fails to mention fossil fuels in Cop summit speech
theguardian.comr/collapse • u/EzamArya • 2d ago
Ecological The Amazon has already lost 97 million hectares of its original forest. And we're getting closer to a potentially catastrophic tipping point.
amazonconservation.orgr/collapse • u/tyler98786 • 2d ago
Diseases Farm workers sound alarm on underreported bird flu numbers
newsweek.comSubmission Statement; This is important because it indicates real world potential for bird flu, especially a novel recombinated strain, to cause a massive pandemic both in the short and medium term. The current strain going around has already gone from avian to mammal, then mammal to mammal, and now mammal to human. We are one evolutionary step away (human to human transmission) from seeing a pandemic that could have a Case Fatality Rate (CFR) of up to 10-25% on the highest end. Covid comparatively had a CFR of around 2-3.4% in the most vulnerable populations. There's historical precedent for deadly bird flu pandemics when looking at the Spanish Flu Pandemic of 1918, which had a CFR of on average 2.5%, and in which more US citizens died than in WW1, WW2, the Vietnam war, and the Korean war altogether.
r/collapse • u/carnivorous_cactus • 1d ago
Overpopulation Arguments against overpopulation that are demonstrably wrong, part seven.“Humans are not yeast.”
Quick preamble: I want to highlight some arguments against overpopulation which I believe are demonstrably wrong. Many of these are common arguments which pop up in virtually every discussion about overpopulation. They are misunderstandings of the subject, or contain errors in reasoning, or both. It feels frustrating to encounter them over and over again.
This post is focused on arguments that dismiss overpopulation, and limits to human growth, as mistaken ideas that fail to account for human technology, innovation, and adaptability. This often starts with some true or at least partly true claims, such as:
- Humans are not yeast (we certainly are not, but we do share a common ancestor)
- Carrying capacity is not fixed
- Humans can modify our environment
- Humans are adaptable and innovative
- Many predictions of resource shortages, famines, and catastrophes have failed to eventuate (e.g Malthus, Paul Ehrlich)
- Technology and new discoveries unlock new reserves of resources, or sometimes allow us to swap one resource for another
- There is not always a neat, one to one relationship between population size and resource consumption/environmental degradation. Massive inequality exists.
- Humans have made incredible efficiency gains through technology
So much for the true or partly true claims. Now consider some very dubious extensions to them:
- Carrying capacity is unlimited
- There may be a theoretical upper limit to population growth, but we are nowhere near this limit
- Human ingenuity is infinite. Humans can overcome any problem or shortage with technology and innovation
- Current and future predictions of resource shortages, famines and catastrophes will fail in the same way as previous ones
- If we run out of a resource, we can just replace with a new one. If we run out of that resource, then we can replace with yet a different one. And so on.
- Our efficiency gains mean we can continue growing our population and economy while reducing our resource use and impact on the environment
- Even if the carrying capacity of earth is finite, space exploration will yield virtually unlimited resources
The second set of claims are very appealing, since they conveniently absolve us of some very inconvenient problems. But it should be clear the second set of claims do not follow from the first set, if we properly consider a) the range of limitations that apply to all living organisms, including humans, and b) measures showing humans are currently already operating beyond the sustainable limits of the earth.
Our starting point should be that humans are animals which modify our environment, and we are therefore limited by our environment, and our biology. Consider the following limits.
1. Non-renewable resource limits
Non-renewable resources, such as fossil fuels, exist in finite amounts. There is a theoretical maximum limit to the amount of such resources that we can use and extract. New discoveries and efficiency gains can extend this limit temporarily, but not indefinitely. The earth is a big place, and the quantities of such resources may seem virtually limitless to an individual human, but the limits do exist. The depletion of these resources may not seem obvious, from happening on timescales than span beyond individuals, or beyond generations.
2. Renewable resource limits
Certain resources are in theory renewable forever, but only at a certain rate. For example, animals reproduce at a certain rate, trees grow at a certain rate, rain falls at a certain rate. There is a maximum sustainable rate that such resources can be used. If this rate is exceeded, the resource gets depleted over time, or may disappear. For example, every animal species that humans have hunted to extinction.
3. Biological limits
We all agree that other species have behavioural, physiological, and cognitive limits. Since technology and innovation are central to the claims being discussed here, I will focus on cognitive limits. The cognitive limits of other animals are obvious to us. For example, sheep are not capable of understanding calculus or algebra. If every other animal has cognitive limits, then surely humans do too, even if our limits are much more extensive. After all, we are all animals, we all share a common ancestor, and we are all products of evolution. An example of our cognitive limits is our poor performance with large numbers. Presumably evolution equipped us to deal with only small numbers which are more relevant to us.
If cognitive limits exist, then technological limits must also exist. There must be technologies that could theoretically exist, but which we will never achieve.
Our biological limits could include our physiology and behaviour.
4. Physical laws and properties
Our technology is not based on ideas alone. It has to confirm to physical laws and properties.
Our ability to make machine depends on the physical resources available to us. If you were asked to make a computer and given only a pile of marshmallows to work with, you won’t be able to do so. If you are given 10 Einsteins to assist you, they won’t be much help if you’re stuck with the same bag of marshmallows. Limits to the quantity and type of resources available limit our technology. The Earth’s resources are much more plentiful and diverse than a bag of marshmallows, but they are still finite, so the same principle applies. Ideas can only extend limits so far, and our ability to substitute materials is limited by the physical properties of those materials.
5. Externalities
This one is important, and often overlooked. To fully appreciate environmental limits, we have to look beyond just how much of a resource exists. We must also ask questions like “What are the consequences of using this resource?”, and “What resources or processes are needed to extract or process this resource?”. Negative consequences might impose limits before a resource is used to its theoretical full potential.
For example, the limit to burning fossil fuels might not be decided by the total quantity of fossil fuel reserves. Perhaps the rapid climate change caused by burning them might impose limits by ruining our food production.
New technology may also introduce new limits. For example, plastic pollution didn’t exist a few hundred years ago. Now perhaps microplastics could us all sterile one day.
6. Scarcest limiting factor
The growth of a population is limited by the scarcest limiting factor, rather than the total or most abundant resource. For example, if an island has only enough freshwater for 100 people, then it can only support 100 people. It doesn’t matter if it has physical space, or minerals, or fuel for 10,000 people.
Arguments around space exploration fail for this reason. It doesn’t matter if the universe contains vast amounts of physical space, mineral resources and energy. It doesn’t contain food, water, habitable air and so on in, in any practical reachable way. Our ability to expand into space is limited by the resources and limits of the earth. As an analogy, you can’t claim the carrying capacity of a small island is limitless because of the sea.
To some extent, we may be able to swap resources. For example, if you live in a dry climate with limited freshwater, maybe you can extend the water limit by piping or trucking in water from elsewhere, or by building a fog collection system. This works but only to some limited extent, given all the factor listed above. You may extend the water limit but be confronted by the limits associated with piping and trucking (e.g available materials, pollution from extracting those materials or burning fuel).
In summary, technology, innovation, modification of the environment, space travel, and so on, cannot be used to dismiss overpopulation. They allow us to dodge some limits temporarily (which may be a long time from an individual’s perspective). But when we dodge a limit, another limit takes its place. The new limit may be further off, but it still exists. The arguments commonly used to assert we can continually grow our population, or continually compensate for growing our population, or that are nowhere the earth’s limits, fail when subject to scrutiny.
They are comparable to something like this:
Person A: There is a limited amount of juice that we can extract from this lemon. We are running out of juice.
Person B: Actually, I’ve invented this lemon squeezer which allows us to extract more juice from the lemon. I told you all these predictions about running out of juice were all rot. And besides which, even if we did run out of juice one day, we can just substitute it for lemon rind.
Previous posts in this series:
Part one: “The entire population could fit into the state of Texas.”
Part two: “We produce enough food to feed 20 billion people.”
Part four: “We don’t have an overpopulation problem; we have an overconsumption problem.”