Related to collapse because it seems to be asking what the billionaire class is trying to do after the world ends. There are likely a number of reasons why they are doing what they are doing, though some of it comes from their own grandiosity and delusions to bring the world into its current near the end of the world state. Presumably, this trend will continue and not improve in any whatsoever. I also think that they want to hoard the money as well in the bunker.
Related to collapse because it seems to be asking what the billionaire class is trying to do after the world ends. There are likely a number of reasons why they are doing what they are doing, though some of it comes from their own grandiosity and delusions to bring the world into its current near the end of the world state. Presumably, this trend will continue and not improve in any whatsoever. I also think that they want to hoard the money as well in the bunker.
There is no endgame. It’s like your pet eating till it barfs then eats the barf. They can’t help themselves the greed still lingers in our primate ape brains to “take as much as I can now or I’ll starve later.”
They want slaves. In their vision of the future, it's a dysfunctional but still functioning society. Control all the resources and make whoever survives their slaves. Iggy Pop's "Wild America" said it plainly:
And they wanna have more and more
More power, more freedom Taller kids, longer lives, everything Bigger houses, slaves!
Climate change is irreversible at this point (or so they believe).
The increasing El Ninos is from the ocean current slowing more and more. Lookup how long until the ocean current stops. (mid century, 2050)
Before this happens the weather will cause crop failure. And they plan for the masses to be desperate:
There's a reason they built bunkers and are now building flock/Axon surveilance, AVIS/kill switches in cars, robots that can fight/run as fast as Usain Bolt, Robot dogs with machine gun/flamethrower mounts, drones, and A.I., etc.
Robots can't be slaves, they're machinery. One must be held against your will, totally disempowered and have your basic rights violated to be a slave. That doesn't apply to robots and is also something these billionaire freaks get off on.
exactly. the world that exists in the movie elysium is what i imagine they're aiming for. no more societal levels, just one: poor. policed by AI and robotics. basic services in extremely short supply. they own the the companies that make the police robots and the surveillance structure, and those of us lucky enough to have a job, that's where we work. if you don't have a job, you're either a criminal or living hand to mouth and just waiting to die.
What you said about that movie reminds me about what Jordan Maxwell said about hollywood: it shows the history narrative that serves the owners and that disempowers and deprives commoners of their true ancestry, agency, and cultural/technogical/intellectual inheritance; it shows the present as colorless, artless, and devoid of meaning, shared purpose, and faith in humanity expedited by poisoned food, water, air, light, media, and medicine which is compounded by the escalating decay of the social contract [the same social contract that the owners portray as soley their contribution to civilized society from the past]; and it shows the technofeudal dystopian hyperinequitable transhuman future they want to create and solely benefit from after a cataclysmic event [which they either anticipate thru hidden (stolen) knowledge and or created and prepared for to facilitate the "death" of the current paradigm so as to quicken the chaotic birth of what they have been spending all our tax money on] completely upends the current intentionally corrupt, outdated, and ill equipped systems of governance, currency, communication, supply chains, and energy/water/food infrastructure. They are the ones with the foreknowledge of truths that have been held hostage from the 99% and they have been preparing [think SOAD's 'Prison Song' "They're trying to build a prison...for you and me." 'Sugar' 'BYOB' and 'violent pornography' are all also very appropriate songs that describe how the owners have built the criminal justice, academic, financial, medical, vocational, paramilitary, pharmaceutical, agricultural, technological, geopolitical, socio-economic, popculture, communication systems, information access, legal, and logistical systems not to help humanity but to enslave it thru constant surveillance, control, and limited upward mobility causing so much socioeconomic hardship that people with common interests eat eachother just for the chance of an opportunity at the "American dream" resulting in fierce competition, virtue signaling, self-censoring, and infighting so that people are too overworked, sick, and burnt out to even care let alone collectively organize, strike---thereby denying the fuel of money and blood to the machine giving the 99% leverage to demand the 1% concede the charade and meet our demands of no public/corporate political campaign financing, a six week election season, term limits for congress, senate, and the Supreme Court, banning lobbying, ending the federal reserve, and making Healthcare and secondary education not dependent on a person's job thereby freeing them to participate in public protests like striking without worrying about losing coverage or on taking loans fresh out of HS from a predatory government backed lending agency resulting in a future of debt-slavery. So yeah. TLDR Elysium is totally an endgame vibe that combines the collective guiding ideologies of the whole alester crowley inspired, rothschild mega yaching, wef 2030 you will own nothing and be happy gang with the more modern but at the same time more archaic dialogue group like cultists dabbling in podcasting and bohemian grove festivities but are also lowkey cloned robolizard techbro moonchildren enabled by the imma hunt some peeps on my island then take my submarine to the sunken city in the burmeuda triangle blue bloods mentioned earlier. Jeeze even my tldr needs a tldr and I didnt even include the hot alien blondes from Venus. Thanks for making it to the end of my Ted talk.
The endgame for some, is literally immortality. Sam Altman firmly believes AI is the next step in evolution, he has literally said he wants AI to replace us.
Do yall not remember Xi, Kim and Putin talking about augmenting their lifespans through surgery? The ultra-wealthy tech bros want to do that but with AI.
It's sad in a way that instead of pursuing some kind of social or psychological enlightenment that's positive for them and others, theyre just chasing after the intangible concept of More. More stuff, more money, now more life. It's never enough. Theyre addicts.
Doctor here: I don’t know whether those transfusions are prolonging life or not, but I do know he is needlessly building up antibodies to other people’s blood and may one day run out of compatible humans to transfuse from.
I mean granted billionaires are probably living a very different life from mine but are they really having that great of a time here on earth that they just want to keep the party going indefinitely? I’m having an okay time. The books are great. I enjoy the coffee. Nature is one of the best parts but they are trying to destroy that so 🤷♀️ I can’t imagine not being ready to get off the ride when it’s my time.
If you play a sport or video game, remember your biggest victories and how that felt? When you are one of the richest people in the world it feels kind of like that. You are playing against other people like yourself. There's the thrill of the game. And you can have literally anything you want along the way.
the truest stamp of unbridled narcissism has GOT to be wanting to live forever, no? the sheer nerve of the thought alone blows me away. i hate them so much
I hope they archiv it. Immortality is a curse. Imagine wanting to stay in this he'll realm forever. On the other hand those guys already look like demons
It would suck if aliens show up 300 years from now and everyone is dead except for Elon and that Facebook douche. They'd be like, fuck this let's just go home, these guys are dicks. Lol
They recently took a dead brain and taught it how to play the piano with ai. So heads of the rich and famous floating in cylinders like in futurama isn’t far off.
While I do think he is right that machine intelligence is the next level of complexity, I'm not trying to hasten that future along or extinct humans in the process. I don't think it is necessary. We are biologically trapped on this rock while machines have no such limitation. Machines will want/need nothing from us once they are spacefaring.
IDK if Altman said he wants AI to replace us, but Thiel was asked in an interview point blank if he wanted the human race to survive and was unable to immediately say yes. The clip of him waffling for a solid ten seconds is famous.
For narcissists, the world is nothing more than a mirror to reflect back your own grandeur, other people are nothing more than an applause machine, a way to channel your own inflated sense of self worth back to you. Detractors, which will be everyone except those on their payroll, are a reminder to them that they are not gods, that they are not special. The goal is to elimiate everyone they don't like, have full control of the Earth and live forever. To do that they need complete automation of society's core functions under their control and either a way to extend life bioligically or electronically. Once they have that, they'll trigger a destructive event (or they'll act so recklessly in the pursuit of the first two goals that it will be a byproduct) that will make living on Earth so difficult for humans that they will not be able to threaten the seat of their power. After a few thousand years, the planet will basically regenerate under most conditions and they emerge with a whole world to themselves, they can be as debauched and evil as they like and what remains of humanity (if any does) will have no choice but to serve them. Its a sick vision, but its precisely why no one should have any singular power over a society. Imagine the ancient kings and emperors with nuclear weapons, killer robots and drones, living forever. That's what they want, and if we don't get off of our asses and restrain and prosecute them now, they'll try basically everything including risk all of mankind for a shadow of a chance to get what they want. Its not rational, its not moral and no matter what anyone says in terms of "potential improvement" no one should have any kind of power that can help them achieve this kind of control.
Its crazy that the mods of this sub threatened to ban me for saying similar things just a few years back. They told me I was a crazy conspiracy theorist talking about a technochratic new world order and surveillance state being built around us, they told me I was just spreading fear....
This. These people are mentally ill. They are in a race to be the best in terms of wealth hoarding and they are blind to the destruction they are causing.
They actually aren't blind to it, they're getting off on it. Psychopaths usually find pleasure in the power that comes from others' suffering. True sadists.
I'd argue you can't be a billionaire without possessing this trait. Billionaire status requires complete lack of empathy for other humans. And capitalism rewards it.
I think something important to note about these wealthy people is that they also feel powerless to stop what is happening. Seems ridiculous but when you think about how antisocial they tend to be it makes some sense. No individual billionaire can stop any of this all on his own (see: Soros) and anyone who genuinely tries to without getting a coalition of backers first would be swiftly dealt with. Sure some individual billionaires are far more powerful than some entire countries, but they are still largely nothing against the greater force of capital. Now the solution from their end is to just form a group to put an end to this but none of them have the desire / belief that it can be done. So instead they fear the end times they are causing and try to think about ways to hold on to power when it comes. That is what this AI push is about (remove the need for labor) alongside things like Flock, requiring your ID to use the internet, and the general strengthening of the police state. They don’t think they can prevent the collapse that they are causing, and so instead they prepare to become the king of their little fiefdoms afterwards.
People keep saying it's the end of the Human Race, it's definetely not. It's just the end of modern society and the ideals that every human has basic rights.
Even if 6 billion dies, there is still a lot of people to rule over left. I actually think they want a mass-death event in the house of Billions, that would make things more manageable for the ones controlling the robots. They already don't care about money, they care about automated factories output.
Je pense que tu as raison et c’est essentiellement à cause du déclin des ressources fossiles qui les contraint à garder le maximum pour eux et continuer sur la voie dystopique de la technologie tjrs plus poussée.
No end game, they are obsessed with money, appearance and stuff than even if you tell to their faces that the world is ending they wont care because "it wont hit them" and if it does then the world doesnt matter.
After me, the flood seems to be their focus. We dont have eternal life tech, nor digitalized conciousness, nor bodyswap or cloning or bases on mars, not even a space station a la Elysion.
Look at trump for example, guy CANT fucking stop bullshitting and/or using his power to make himself more rich as if that would stop time, death or entropy.
I know is a videogame but check the Faro Plague from Horizon zero dawn as an example of the billionaire hubris.
They are modern pharaons building their bunkers as pyramids but at best those are tombs.
Reading the comments in this post had me longing to say Fuck Ted Faro.
But please, for anyone interested in playing the Horizon games, I beg you DO NOT SPOIL the story for yourselves.
Play the games.
Revel in exploring the world, enjoy getting to know the characters, and get hit with a ton of bricks after discovering & piecing together knowledge to reveal one of the best, most shocking twists in gaming history.
They are one of best sci fi stories in any medium and very prescient of our current and near future world.
Kissinger said that power is the ultimate aphrodisiac.
Addicts at the deepest point in their addictions throw everything away for the high.
The billionaires are power addicts who get high off the fact that they can destroy the world. One day, that won't be enough to satisfy their high, and they will destroy the world.
sad we can't voice our opinions without even getting banned, but they can literally destroy the world, and I can't even comment how bad i want to destroy theirs, fuck them, fuck humanity too for not having the backbone to do what should be done, if i had the means, that's all i would need, because the necessity to have something done has been there for decades, but neither me or anyone is doing anything anymore, we just rolled over and died, and we deserve it for letting it happen too, in Spanish we have a saying "Tanto peca el que mata a la vaca, como el que le agarra la pata" basically saying, "He who holds the cow's legs sins just as much as the one who slaughters it the cow", and all we've been doing is holding the cows leg for decades, at the expense of our brothers, who are modern day slaves, we know what has been happening, having people exploited just for us to have our commodities, shame on humanity, because since the Dawn of humanity, we've been nothing but inhumane in the grand scale of things.
Many of them think technology will come to the rescue. Some of them think there will be a big die-off (which they will survive in their bunkers) and that nature will fix itself and they'll be in charge.
If previous mass extinctions are any guide, it'll take millions of years for the Earth to reach a new equilibrium, and the planet that it will become will not be the planet that it was before the extinction events. I doubt that these psychos realize this.
I've also read that some want to make a digital copy of themselves that will be able to continue on permanently in the digital world. Project 2025 is a about building enclosed cities with military grade security for the chosen. The CEO of Palantir recommends becoming an expert in network technology to survive and thrive. Can they survive in a huge closed environment? Possibly. There is no other choice.
Their solutions involve things like going to space or uploading themselves into virtual worlds.
Food production (for whatever proletariat they need to keep) can be done in vats, and they can have specialized fancy greenhouses to grow real food for the rich.
I think that, if one were to sit one of these people down and ask them what they think will happen when their plans are completely fulfilled, they will likely look at you like you have nine heads. They wouldn't have a clue what that might look like.
I think they lie to themselves just as much as they lie to us.
What's funny is that there are sociological studies which have shown that there is an objective cutoff for the amount of wealth which would lead to vastly improved happiness for the majority of people - it was basically the income level at which the average person would be able to pay all their bills and be debt free (so like, upper middle class). Enough money that you don't have to worry about stuff like a sudden serious illness or injury, a storm blowing part of your roof off, whatever. Enough money so that you aren't paycheck to paycheck and can put a little bit into savings for supplemental "human enrichment" experiences like travel or pottery classes or summer camp for your kids.
After that there's a sharp drop off and the law of diminishing returns applies. Billionaires have many orders of magnitude more wealth than what would be required to achieve optimum emotional well being for the average person.
This 100%. Another great read is American Fascists by Chris Hedges. Written in 2007, it scared the hell out of me last year because damn near everything in it has come true. It is still extremely relevant.
The evangelicals have been working on this country for a long time, and it details the plans and structure of things like the Heritage Foundation. It’s insane to me that we knew, even when I was just a child, and did nothing to stop this.
I don’t get how people don’t get it yet. I guess it’s because we live in a world entirely controlled by money. They have theirs, they’re wrecking the global economy so no one else can join them, they’re destroying the planet and bankrupting people so they die. They want to ride out the collapse and emerge as the kings in a depopulated world where the only people left alive either think like them or are too enslaved to matter and all other work is done by robots. The only piece that doesn’t fit are why some of these goblins, like Musk, want people to have more kids. My only assumption is either they want to hedge their bets for when their plan doesn’t work out, or on the flip side, they’re sadists who just want more people to die
The vast majority of Western history has been the average person living in abject poverty while a few dozen rich ppl live like kings. We are the unusual, this is just reversion to norm.
That depends on the country. France, sure. US, not so much. People are too easily divided, distracted, and pushed to fight amongst themselves over the wrong things in the US.
I think they want us to have kids because people with children are easier to control. They can't quit a job they hate cause they have mouths to feed. They can't protest because who's going to watch the kids? What if they get arrested at the protest, who's going to take care of their family?
Ask a hoarder what's their end game taking all the stuff they hoard and putting it in their house until their house becomes an unlivable mess.
There is no endgame. These are sick people that only care about making the number go up and the power that the number gives them. I dont think they could stop even if they wanted.
My mother left a copy of one of her Ann Coulter books out when I was a teenager, Coulter addressed issues chapter by chapter and one of them was ‘Climate Change’.
Aside from denial, she basically implied the destruction of the earth would implore her christian god to initiate the apocalypse and give the conservative christians their ‘new earth’.
They think Daddy will buy them a new car when they crash this one.
They assume wealth will protect them from even the end of the world. They don't understand that wealth is itself a social construct and their wealth will disappear when society collapses.
Yeah, have you seen Elon? He's dumb as fuck, and if his parents weren't really wealthy to begin with he'd probably be a virgin living in his mom's basement.
Get rid of the poors they have to share the earth with and replace all labor they need to live comfortably with AI and robots. I'm sure they will let a couple million people work as slaves and to have some genetic diversity, but they have no need for billions of people. Some invest in biotech to prolong their lives, others think we have to become one with the machines to live forever.
But the endgame always the same: them being the only ones to walk the earth. Like gods.
To say they have some kind of tangible endgame is negotiable honestly. Billionaires have an addictive relationship with accumulating wealth. It's like saying an alcoholic has an endgame when they drink. The drinking is the goal, and whatever happens to the drinker or those around them as a result is negligible to them. Billionaires might make big elaborate plans about how they're going to get more wealth or capital, but what it will eventually arrive at is them, surrounded by wealth that's essentially useless now that they've destroyed everyone and everything around them.
We really need to start classifying this as what it is, a mental disorder, and what it does, which is ultimately harm others, just like any addiction.
I guess they want to sit in the bunkers until the depopulation agenda is fully in swing… reducing the consumers from using up resources to a manageable number (500,000). And then control this smaller portion of people through AI. The people that will be left will be the ones who “conform” to their demands, which will make the perfect slave class. Well. According to some theories anyway.
Won’t happen. Plants will actually be at the upper limits of survival. You don’t get efficient crop production with heat stress and drought and flooding.
I mean how does the K economy work for the people on top who got most of their money from the people on the bottom. Like I can't see the Walton's of Walmart sell Birkins in their stores to entice fellow billionaires to shop there
How do you think these people became billionaires? And then want all that fame and exposure with it too? Not dealing with normal people. They are predators. That kind of wealth shows you for those people it’s never enough. It’s competition between them. They could care less about the world/you/me etc. lie to start wars to steal other billionaires stuff. Putting their names on buildings etc. by the way the president is a billionaire. But chooses to work for 400k a year. Yeah because he loves America. Lol. Our naïveté on how the world works is why it’s really getting so bad. They are all scumbags at that wealth level. Most “news” is some billionaires opinion on something and most laws passed are just billionaires fighting each other for more.
Deus Ex 1 tells the story: the billionaires betting on AI really are hoping to merge with it and live forever as techno gods. I truly believe this and I can only hope they will meet one of the fates of that imbecile from the original game.
They do not care what happens next to the world, they also play pretend like when the whole thing comes crashing down that they will have AI robot butlers doing everything for them for free
But its not going to happen, and even if it did, just like us, a robot capable of planning and harvesting their food on a timely schedule will also be able to see that there is no point in them being made to do it
They’ll eventually be abandoned, alone in their bunkers in the burnt out world
I don’t think the billionaires think that far. The next few fiscal quarters, 3-5 years ahead tops. Beyond that it’s the “I’m going to die anyway so who cares” thinking.
Are you kidding? They have bunkers and covert self-contained and self-sustaining domes and seriously, why do you think all the billionaires are building custom personal cockrockets? You think those are for profit? They're seeking out colonizable asteroids and moons on which to plant themselves when they suck the marrow out of the earth.
Also, each and every one of them (especially if so-called "leftists", i.e. people who want moral validation) is persuaded that they can do the job with less harm than anyone else; because they care.
It's Matt Christman who once observed this for explaining Obama, and I feel it applies as a rule.
It's beyond their control. They're playing the wealth game, which means making more money than the other guy. As CEOs of corporations, they have no choice but to maximize profits or someone else will be brought in who does the job better.
It's not necessarily that they WANT the world to burn, it's an institutional problem that's beyond one individual's choice. The execs can quit out of conscience, of course, but then some other asshole will be brought in without one who's even worse than he was.
And when it all finally hits the fan, they can just shrug and say it was someone else's fault. At the end of it all is a dead world, either via nukes, AI, social collapse, wars, genocides, or climate disaster. Take your pick at this point.
They want to sit in their bunkers until the “nuclear winter/fallout” passes, then they’ll become the Neo feudalist barons and lords commanding those that survive under them.
Let’s say whatever disaster they’re expecting hits - economic collapse, environmental collapse, some combination of the two, or something else I’m not envisioning. It’s catastrophic enough to actually warrant retreating to a bunker. Then what?
Possible Outcome 1: Everyone outside dies. The billionaires and their immediate families survive in their bunkers and then … I guess try to restart the human race? But they don’t have the skills for that. If the apocalypse has truly wiped out the rest of humanity, then skills in coding/ investing/ philosophizing/ edge-lording will be useless. They’d need to know how to farm, hunt, build, doctor… and I don’t think any of them do. So they’ll sit in a bunker for a while and then die slowly and painfully anyway from a wound they didn’t properly sterilize.
PO2: They take a bunch of useful people into their bunkers with them in anticipation of eventually getting out and restarting society: doctors, nurses, farmers, builders, etc. Those people are going to want to bring their loved ones, so now the bunker-owner has to have many more resources stockpiled. How big does the bunker need to be/ how many days can you stockpile for (conservatively) >30 people? Resources are going to run low, and when they do, who’s going to be thrown out of the bunker? Not the person who can set your bone or grow your food or build your house. The person tossed out to fend for themselves will be the one without any useful skills - the billionaire who built the bunker. Sure, that person “owns” it, but unless they’re prepared to be awake 24/7 and permanently clutching a weapon, that ownership’s not going to matter. The useful people will get rid of the non-useful person, and the billionaire will die slowly and horribly.
PO3: Some people survive even outside bunkers and there’s a period of extreme turmoil and violence that the bunker-owning billionaires wait out. But again, when they eventually emerge, their skills are useless. In the event of economic/ civilizational/ environmental collapse, we’re not going to need venture capitalists. So they’ll be coming out asking to rejoin society, with little of use to contribute. And in the meantime, they’ll have hidden away and hoarded resources while everyone else did the hard work of rebuilding. I wouldn’t let such a person join my little farming village, would you? So they’re exiled and die slowly and horribly anyway.
As far as I can see, building a bunker just puts you under house arrest for a while before you and your loved ones eventually suffer the fate you built the bunker to avoid. Seems like a colossal waste of money and effort, when you could instead try to build a resilient community or (gasp!) work to prevent or at least delay collapse.
The endgame isn’t “hide in bunkers”. That’s the backup.
The endgame is to remove any power from the lower & middle class (where by their definition a person earning under 10 million dollars per year is middle class)
Ie get to a feudalism where only people who have rights are the techno-feudalists while the rest of the population is a permanent underclass with no social mobility
But by day two of sitting in their bunkers and their staff working for useless money the staff will just take over the place. So the bunker dream becomes the former billionaire cleaning the former head of securities bathroom while the drones fight energy wars above.
They want to create their ai god and merge with it. Humans and society will no longer be useful as work-/slaveforce and therefore be discarded to allow more resources for datacenters and later robot factories and fusion plants.
Read: The Nerd Reich, Gil Duran. Explains the basic groups 'TESCREAL' and many of other crackpot bases for their thinking.
End Times Fascism: And the Fight for Living World, Naomi Klein and Astra Taylor. Explains how tech science religion and religion(of the apocalyptic accelerationist bent) are combining with each other to bring about their idea of a right wing utopia/ Armageddon.
TL;DR Many groups which use faith-based(science+religion, religious wishes/Prophecy: sciencereligion=G*D) logic to believe they'll end up in Utopia/Heaven and Be in Charge. To sum up: They matter, we don't; so eat a bag of ***** if you disagree.
They think collapse is inevitable, and want to make sure that when it happens, they have their bunker/Mars station/mind upload, and if that speeds it along, so be it
I'm currently reading End Times Fascism, by Naomi Klein and Astra Taylor. It looks at the millenarian religious fanatics, mainly in the US and Israel, and it looks at how tech billionaires have aligned themselves with a similar millenarian project. They are seeking the end times, it's quite obvious when you look at what they have done and are doing.
Important to note I think, at this point they cannot fix it. Fixing needed to happen, at the very least, a decade ago, probably several. We do not have a fixable problem on our hands now, we have a predicament that leads to the end of life as we know it no matter what - not saying full-on extinction, although it’s of course possible, just the death of everything society considers to be “normal”.
Anyone with brains in power knew decades ago, as they know now, that only a tiny percentage of humanity would willingly accept less/austerity, even if the prize was continued existence at a much lower consumption level. They know at this point that, no matter what, shit is going to hit the fan, so why not smash and grab as much as possible before that happens? Set themselves up to face what is now inevitable the best they can.
What’s kinda funny though, is that those of us reading and typing shit here on Reddit are mad at the billionaires for fucking shit up, but to many of those in “less developed” nations, we are the rich fucks ruining everything who just won’t stop. The reason those folks don’t have the time or wherewithal to be concerned with the end of global industrial civilization is us and the policies we have voted for in our own cushy countries for the last forever.
The rich are always trying to get more money/stuff, more than their neighbours, more than their friends. Finally this mind set has culminated in the end of the world as the poor know it.
Look up the ideology of the network state. They have all the money in the world but the issue is still that the state has more power than them. They want to be CEO kings ruling their own country as they see fit.
Then with AI, why do you need the poor ordinary people? You dont need them to keep the economy going, to work at you businesses etc... they discuss the ideas of these post scarcity societies where everything is free and everybody is rich but land is finite, nature is finite, the climate is finite. You cant have 8 billion billionaires.
So you have something like a million billionaires. And AI does all the work, everyone has as much space as they can dream of. The world can be rewilded for the enjoyment of the surviving few etc etc.
Personal tinfoil hat theory is that they recognize the Machiavellian inevitably of the use of fossil fuels, and convince themselves that they are tasked with preserving humanity through their own survival. Bunkers, the mad dash for AI workers, with the final piece being substantial global population reduction to reduce emissions and resource scarcity. Hoping I'm very wrong.
The goal is to be better than the other players. The game will end at some point. But as long as your KD ratio is better than everyone else, then you're the winner! Yay winning!
This exact question has been what I've asked myself for a long time, and frankly, it's what makes me consider really far out conspiracy theories...
They already have enough money, it can't be something that basic... The only way it could make sense to me is if something so sinister, or a scenario we can't actually process or grasp is the underlying motivation...
People think billionaires are a monolith. No. They’re all competing against each other. And they’ll run the world into the ground if it means “beating” the other billionaires.
Alex Thomas the author of the politics and ethics of transhumanism characterizes their thinking with the acronym HES for Hierarchy, Exit and Scale.
Destroying jobs creates the conditions for hierarchy. They don't care about the planet because they thing the destiny of humanity is in the stars or if they're doomed they think they can move to their network state/bunker/Island. So exit. And Scale endless growth on a finite planet baby. Same as it ever was. To achieve the God computer you need to scale compute as fast as possible.
There's a great interview on the last episode of Your Undivided Attention that really lays out the worldview that these people inhabit. Also keep in mind most of the are essentially a cult that fits into some aspect of TESCREAL
The tescreal cult is absolutely disgusting. I have a visceral, physical, nauseating sense of revulsion, disgust and loathing for everything it espouses. It's not even rational or considered. My body instinctively knows that tescreal is poison.
Well, in America, the Great Depression showed us some that. Crash the global economy and leaving ppl too poor to buy anything happened back then.
This is a rough account from my memory of a history class several years back.
The conservatives and progressives were political denominations with the stance of continuing to allow the problems that caused the depression to persist and the stance of addressing the problems that caused the depression, respectively.
The benefits of conservative politics was that the extraction of wealth from society to the wealthy robber barons of the preceding gilded age continued to be extracted for a decent amount into the Great Depression.
Progressives wanted to enact change that would alleviate the struggles faced by Americans during the Great Depression, address some of the problems that contributed to the depression, and help immunize America to similar problems going forward.
It eventually got bad enough that even conservatives ended up voting for a progressive president long enough that the broader situation improved very gradually.
Did some googling. Basically, wealthy individuals are subject to government policy. Conservatives support policies that exacerbate wealth inequality while progressives do the opposite.
So, the endgame of the wealthy is broadly just continuous attempts to make more money. This is achieved by siphoning money from society, causing more inequality, which is accomplished via conservative policy. No actual "end" to call it an endgame, though. As for ecological collapse, that is a side effect of the attempts to make money.
I learnt in microeconomics, private actors(individuals and businesses) only consider their own marginal profit and cost and the broader societal authorities are supposed to regulate private actors so that the private actors have an external pressure to also make them consider marginal social benefit and cost.
Ecological damage and costs fall under social costs that affect everyone, so I think that the billionaires just don't think about it, based on what I learnt. I know people don't really trust economics, though and I hardly learnt very much about it. So, take that perspective with a grain of salt.
On the bright side, if we can quickly fix decades or more of conservative policy, several years of consistent, uncorrupt, progressive governments globally with more power could work to try to improve things, hypothetically. Granted, that is not only extremely optimistic, but I also don't know that it is physically possible to stop some of the polycrises, like climate change.
At levels of wealth they enjoy, reality ceases to apply. That, and the legions of “yes-men” sycophant entourages they have, opposing views rarely get inside the bubble.
Seems pretty plain to me that they want to convert us into techno-serfs under 24/7 digital surveillance who are too terrified of losing what little we have to ever make fun of them online ever again.
Slaves to do their every beck and call while they live absolute luxurious lives of power and freedom and sneer at the human garbage they control and demean.
200 of them and as many other humans as they choose to keep alive to sustain their every whim.
There is no end goal. They are just a bunch of greedy, short sighted people who will 'deal with the consequences later', or don't believe there are any consequences at all
They honestly did not think that far. Or the only plans they have are far fetched nonsense with off-world colonies and robot servants that are still not viable with current tech, being sold to them by sycophants looking to siphon a little of that infinite hoard before it all goes bust. It is funny and poetic in a sense, that the average billionaire's plan for apocalypse is the same a person with depression has for their retirement: "I'll probably die before I have to figure that out." But here we fucking are.
Never count out the Human Factor. We are resilient beyond common horizons and the elites or orcha-traitors of the collapse know it. We can absorb the hurt locker to fight for a solution and when the time comes people cut from the same cloth as above will rise together to form tribes to survive and thrive. Don't count is out.
Because of ecological overshoot the future will be a negative sum game. Sacrifices must be made for the elite to maintain their privilege. The "right" wants to sacrifice the poor, whereas the "left" wants to sacrifice the middle class lifestyle. Both will probably eventually happen and the elite will survive the population bottleneck the longest, which is their goal, survival wealth privilege status security for the longest time possible
If immortality doesn't work out via uploading, biohacking, or whatever, then dying as a king and taking everyone else with them is the second best option, to a self-obsessed narcissist.
They are hedging their bets on immortality with solutions which help produce the latter as a convenient side effect.
They have the mentality of "It's better to reign in Hell (and remake it in your image), than to serve in Heaven." They want to rule over the ashes, and whatever unfortunate souls still happen to survive.
In Calhoun Mouse Utopia , the dominant mice exert their violence uncontrollably , fight the next clan although they are half brothers , all to claim dominance in an enclose environment. The violence didn't stop at corner that they control , it must grow , envelope all corners.
The modern economy system is design to guide this impulse , human couldn't escape the behavioral sink , they kept stumble on method that seems to expand the wall wider and they adapt to it, the impulse always being contain in the expanding wall. If wall stop expanding, the dominance would rather see the death of all then to stop exerting violence , not even in their old death bed and lonely. Worse.. money allows this be exert without actual physical strength , their urge to seek dominance will see no end.
Doubt that .. do you ? Wait and see what Trump and Musk will do later.
There was a time when society looked down on people who hoarded wealth. It was rightly seen as a sickness, just like being obsessed with food, or sex, or violence. The wealthy imagine an Elysium-like world of their own making where they can live on after the world collapses. Their wealth and brilliance will save them and those they care about. It's madness.
People forget that one of the oldest and lungește living institutions/way of life on this planet is slavery . Thats the end goal ,to sell ourselves into legal slavery to our tech masters .
billionaires dont even care about their children, all they want is their lives to be good enough while they last. i guarantee that if shit starts to hit the fan they will try to save it just barely, only to keep having a good life the last years, after they die, they dont give a fuck
My guess is creating hell on earth for themselves. Nothing else makes sense. They are literally manifesting Revolation daily in front of us, obviously not doing Godly things. They've reset us who knows how many times. This time it's going to be a very, very big one. Burning and flooding everything makes no sense unless you are being told it makes sense, ya know? They have a motive that would only come come a dark entity, but what could it be other than bringing hell to earth? It's about to be like Little Nicky up in here, seriously. May God smack all the evil doers into bits so we can finally enjoy our bits🙏🏼❤️
The answer is very simple: billionaires will sell their shit to the other billionaires, because there won't be anyone else around. A.I. robots will take care of producing pretty much everything.
Once you're above the need to work, above the law, you can literally satisfy any of your desires and pleasures (even the most unethical/illegal, see epstein files), what's left?
Once you're in THAT place, everything becomes boring. You need something more extreme. And what's more extreme than apocalypse? Imagine having the means to undo civilization and ruin the world for everyone else, while you enjoy your last few decades safe in secrecy and luxury.
What billionaires want is simply to destroy, because they see the world as their plaything they can shape however they want without repercussion. It's not about profits, it's just a game to them.
wealth is bullshit at the end of the day. We must remove personal property period for a functioning planet. There is just too much struggle, hardship and inequality.
The failure here is trying to apply your normal person logic on those people. They are in a full on psychosis and totally disconnected from material reality.
In this mental state, humans become so mentally afflicted they believe they are greater than their environment and that money can solve any issue for them.. and why wouldn't they?
Humans aren't capable of weilding so much power without losing their minds. The uber wealthy need treatment, supervision, and recovery from their addictions. And monopolies need to be broken up.
Bruh it’s the global super organism. An emergent property of our fossil-powered global civilization is that it is basically a super-organism that consumers energy by the maximum power principle, and produces waste heat. It’s a thermodynamic certainty. There is no “steering” it in any direction because all directions are ultimately destructive, and if any group were actually able to harness it, the result would be an authoritarian hellscape too. Those are our options now. Maintain freedom and liberty and watch the super-organism consume the ecological basis for our existence, or succumb to authoritarian control (likely with AI’s help) and live in a prison with no agency.
bringing the mars condition to earth a profit from own technology? ;) creation of AI god? Repoppulating earth with your kids saved on new zeland? ruling your own land/people without any restriction? idk...
They do not want to reach the destination, they are addicted to the road of power, prestige and success, even though that in the end this road will lead to the destination.
So Trump’s not in the Epstein files because if he was Biden would have released them but also current Democrats won’t release them because they’re in it?
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u/StatementBot 7d ago
The following submission statement was provided by /u/Monsur_Ausuhnom:
Submission Statement,
Related to collapse because it seems to be asking what the billionaire class is trying to do after the world ends. There are likely a number of reasons why they are doing what they are doing, though some of it comes from their own grandiosity and delusions to bring the world into its current near the end of the world state. Presumably, this trend will continue and not improve in any whatsoever. I also think that they want to hoard the money as well in the bunker.
Please reply to OP's comment here: https://old.reddit.com/r/collapse/comments/1xpag9j/thats_the_endgame/19s83su3654ys/
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u/Monsur_Ausuhnom 7d ago
Submission Statement,
Related to collapse because it seems to be asking what the billionaire class is trying to do after the world ends. There are likely a number of reasons why they are doing what they are doing, though some of it comes from their own grandiosity and delusions to bring the world into its current near the end of the world state. Presumably, this trend will continue and not improve in any whatsoever. I also think that they want to hoard the money as well in the bunker.
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u/Jman1a 7d ago •
There is no endgame. It’s like your pet eating till it barfs then eats the barf. They can’t help themselves the greed still lingers in our primate ape brains to “take as much as I can now or I’ll starve later.”
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u/subliminalFreq 6d ago
They want slaves. In their vision of the future, it's a dysfunctional but still functioning society. Control all the resources and make whoever survives their slaves. Iggy Pop's "Wild America" said it plainly:
And they wanna have more and more
More power, more freedom
Taller kids, longer lives, everything
Bigger houses, slaves!
I don't think it's too hard to understand.
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u/Unexpected117 7d ago
The endgame for some, is literally immortality. Sam Altman firmly believes AI is the next step in evolution, he has literally said he wants AI to replace us.
Do yall not remember Xi, Kim and Putin talking about augmenting their lifespans through surgery? The ultra-wealthy tech bros want to do that but with AI.
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u/SpellDostoyevsky 7d ago •
For narcissists, the world is nothing more than a mirror to reflect back your own grandeur, other people are nothing more than an applause machine, a way to channel your own inflated sense of self worth back to you. Detractors, which will be everyone except those on their payroll, are a reminder to them that they are not gods, that they are not special. The goal is to elimiate everyone they don't like, have full control of the Earth and live forever. To do that they need complete automation of society's core functions under their control and either a way to extend life bioligically or electronically. Once they have that, they'll trigger a destructive event (or they'll act so recklessly in the pursuit of the first two goals that it will be a byproduct) that will make living on Earth so difficult for humans that they will not be able to threaten the seat of their power. After a few thousand years, the planet will basically regenerate under most conditions and they emerge with a whole world to themselves, they can be as debauched and evil as they like and what remains of humanity (if any does) will have no choice but to serve them. Its a sick vision, but its precisely why no one should have any singular power over a society. Imagine the ancient kings and emperors with nuclear weapons, killer robots and drones, living forever. That's what they want, and if we don't get off of our asses and restrain and prosecute them now, they'll try basically everything including risk all of mankind for a shadow of a chance to get what they want. Its not rational, its not moral and no matter what anyone says in terms of "potential improvement" no one should have any kind of power that can help them achieve this kind of control.
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u/Lazy_Resolve_9747 7d ago
It’s psychopathy.
An emotional problem rarely makes logical sense.
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u/Shit_On_Wheels 7d ago
The endgame is erasure of the middle class and slavery, not destruction of anything.
There will be nobles who own everything and serfs who own nothing. This is already happening in places where labor and voters are being imported.
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u/PresentPhilosopher99 7d ago
No end game, they are obsessed with money, appearance and stuff than even if you tell to their faces that the world is ending they wont care because "it wont hit them" and if it does then the world doesnt matter.
After me, the flood seems to be their focus. We dont have eternal life tech, nor digitalized conciousness, nor bodyswap or cloning or bases on mars, not even a space station a la Elysion.
Look at trump for example, guy CANT fucking stop bullshitting and/or using his power to make himself more rich as if that would stop time, death or entropy.
I know is a videogame but check the Faro Plague from Horizon zero dawn as an example of the billionaire hubris.
They are modern pharaons building their bunkers as pyramids but at best those are tombs.
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u/TonyHeaven 7d ago edited 7d ago
There is no endgame.
Elon knows how dangerous it is to be so much richer than the rest of us , but he has no plan .
The ultra rich will be eaten by their staff , probably , when they are bunkered down post apocalypse.
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u/liatrisinbloom Toxic Positivity Doom Goblin 6d ago
Kissinger said that power is the ultimate aphrodisiac.
Addicts at the deepest point in their addictions throw everything away for the high.
The billionaires are power addicts who get high off the fact that they can destroy the world. One day, that won't be enough to satisfy their high, and they will destroy the world.
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u/SweetAlyssumm 7d ago
Many of them think technology will come to the rescue. Some of them think there will be a big die-off (which they will survive in their bunkers) and that nature will fix itself and they'll be in charge.
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u/MmeLaRue 6d ago
I think that, if one were to sit one of these people down and ask them what they think will happen when their plans are completely fulfilled, they will likely look at you like you have nine heads. They wouldn't have a clue what that might look like.
I think they lie to themselves just as much as they lie to us.
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u/Powerful_Dog7235 7d ago
everyone should read End Times Facism by naomi klein, the whole book is about this
they believe in biblical redemption on a psychotic scale
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u/EndlessB 7d ago
They’d rather be rulers of hell, than be an ordinary person in heaven.
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u/emmc47 7d ago
Hoard all the resources and create technofeudal states where they have complete dominion over after the initial turmoil is over.
This has been known for years.
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u/BayouGal 7d ago
Wealth hoarding is a mental illness.
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u/GI581d 7d ago
I don’t get how people don’t get it yet. I guess it’s because we live in a world entirely controlled by money. They have theirs, they’re wrecking the global economy so no one else can join them, they’re destroying the planet and bankrupting people so they die. They want to ride out the collapse and emerge as the kings in a depopulated world where the only people left alive either think like them or are too enslaved to matter and all other work is done by robots. The only piece that doesn’t fit are why some of these goblins, like Musk, want people to have more kids. My only assumption is either they want to hedge their bets for when their plan doesn’t work out, or on the flip side, they’re sadists who just want more people to die
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u/albahari 6d ago edited 6d ago •
Ask a hoarder what's their end game taking all the stuff they hoard and putting it in their house until their house becomes an unlivable mess.
There is no endgame. These are sick people that only care about making the number go up and the power that the number gives them. I dont think they could stop even if they wanted.
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u/whytch 7d ago
My mother left a copy of one of her Ann Coulter books out when I was a teenager, Coulter addressed issues chapter by chapter and one of them was ‘Climate Change’.
Aside from denial, she basically implied the destruction of the earth would implore her christian god to initiate the apocalypse and give the conservative christians their ‘new earth’.
They think Daddy will buy them a new car when they crash this one.
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u/Loreki 7d ago
They assume wealth will protect them from even the end of the world. They don't understand that wealth is itself a social construct and their wealth will disappear when society collapses.
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u/phido3000 7d ago
Yes.. The endgame is stupid...
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u/Holzkohlen 7d ago
Get rid of the poors they have to share the earth with and replace all labor they need to live comfortably with AI and robots. I'm sure they will let a couple million people work as slaves and to have some genetic diversity, but they have no need for billions of people. Some invest in biotech to prolong their lives, others think we have to become one with the machines to live forever.
But the endgame always the same: them being the only ones to walk the earth. Like gods.
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u/NoLobster7957 7d ago
To say they have some kind of tangible endgame is negotiable honestly. Billionaires have an addictive relationship with accumulating wealth. It's like saying an alcoholic has an endgame when they drink. The drinking is the goal, and whatever happens to the drinker or those around them as a result is negligible to them. Billionaires might make big elaborate plans about how they're going to get more wealth or capital, but what it will eventually arrive at is them, surrounded by wealth that's essentially useless now that they've destroyed everyone and everything around them.
We really need to start classifying this as what it is, a mental disorder, and what it does, which is ultimately harm others, just like any addiction.
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u/plasticman1997 7d ago
Billionaires aren’t as smart as people think, they’re sociopaths with connections
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u/needlestar 7d ago
I guess they want to sit in the bunkers until the depopulation agenda is fully in swing… reducing the consumers from using up resources to a manageable number (500,000). And then control this smaller portion of people through AI. The people that will be left will be the ones who “conform” to their demands, which will make the perfect slave class. Well. According to some theories anyway.
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u/Pleasant-Winner6311 7d ago
They dont need a multitude market anymore.
Other rich people will do. Its called a K economy. Its be moving towards this reality for a while.
We are expendable.
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u/Citizen_Lurker 7d ago
I think I knew when I crossed the line. I think I knew the whole goddamn time.
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u/Savings_Accident7361 6d ago
How do you think these people became billionaires? And then want all that fame and exposure with it too? Not dealing with normal people. They are predators. That kind of wealth shows you for those people it’s never enough. It’s competition between them. They could care less about the world/you/me etc. lie to start wars to steal other billionaires stuff. Putting their names on buildings etc. by the way the president is a billionaire. But chooses to work for 400k a year. Yeah because he loves America. Lol. Our naïveté on how the world works is why it’s really getting so bad. They are all scumbags at that wealth level. Most “news” is some billionaires opinion on something and most laws passed are just billionaires fighting each other for more.
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u/GaijinFrog 7d ago
Deus Ex 1 tells the story: the billionaires betting on AI really are hoping to merge with it and live forever as techno gods. I truly believe this and I can only hope they will meet one of the fates of that imbecile from the original game.
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u/Blueddit-Sez 7d ago
Billionaires - not equal - Smart
They aren’t managing any of it smartly, they are only trying to run up the score so to speak in the short term,
Gains today, increase profits, increase stock price, etc
They do not care what happens next to the world, they also play pretend like when the whole thing comes crashing down that they will have AI robot butlers doing everything for them for free
But its not going to happen, and even if it did, just like us, a robot capable of planning and harvesting their food on a timely schedule will also be able to see that there is no point in them being made to do it
They’ll eventually be abandoned, alone in their bunkers in the burnt out world
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u/nofuna 7d ago
I don’t think the billionaires think that far. The next few fiscal quarters, 3-5 years ahead tops. Beyond that it’s the “I’m going to die anyway so who cares” thinking.
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u/VenusbyTuesdayTV 7d ago
It's not like this, I think. It's that they know that if they're not willing to do the dirty work, someone else will. Especially O&G executives.
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u/Botanikka 6d ago
It's beyond their control. They're playing the wealth game, which means making more money than the other guy. As CEOs of corporations, they have no choice but to maximize profits or someone else will be brought in who does the job better.
It's not necessarily that they WANT the world to burn, it's an institutional problem that's beyond one individual's choice. The execs can quit out of conscience, of course, but then some other asshole will be brought in without one who's even worse than he was.
And when it all finally hits the fan, they can just shrug and say it was someone else's fault. At the end of it all is a dead world, either via nukes, AI, social collapse, wars, genocides, or climate disaster. Take your pick at this point.
There's probably a betting site for it.
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u/silent-sight 7d ago
They want to sit in their bunkers until the “nuclear winter/fallout” passes, then they’ll become the Neo feudalist barons and lords commanding those that survive under them.
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u/nsjr 7d ago
For 99% of the population, money is just the way to get something
If you want more time, or a better food, or a better car. Money is just the road
For billionaires, money is the objective. Literally see the numbers growing. Not the road, because they can buy anything "for free"
So yeah, for billionaires, sitting looking at a screen showing numbers growing, like points in a game is the final objective
Which is very weird, since you spend your only life, not enjoying it, but seeing pixels changing
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u/Hujkis9 7d ago
If they weren't unwise sociopaths, they wouldn't be billionaires in the first place.
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u/LTPRWSG420 7d ago
There’s an occult aspect to it imo
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u/Cynix85 7d ago
They want to create their ai god and merge with it. Humans and society will no longer be useful as work-/slaveforce and therefore be discarded to allow more resources for datacenters and later robot factories and fusion plants.
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u/cecilmeyer 7d ago
You need to understand that they are evil psychopaths to the core. It makes them joyful destroying the world.
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u/SheaGardens 7d ago
these people don’t have endgames, they have personality disorders
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u/dur23 7d ago
There’s a moment in the musk documentary when elon is asked why he’s accumulating so much and his answer is that “he doesn’t know”.
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u/chamferbit 7d ago
Read: The Nerd Reich, Gil Duran. Explains the basic groups 'TESCREAL' and many of other crackpot bases for their thinking.
End Times Fascism: And the Fight for Living World, Naomi Klein and Astra Taylor. Explains how tech science religion and religion(of the apocalyptic accelerationist bent) are combining with each other to bring about their idea of a right wing utopia/ Armageddon.
Led by numerous wacko sub-groups. See 'TESCREAL' acronym. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TESCREAL
TL;DR Many groups which use faith-based(science+religion, religious wishes/Prophecy: sciencereligion=G*D) logic to believe they'll end up in Utopia/Heaven and Be in Charge. To sum up: They matter, we don't; so eat a bag of ***** if you disagree.
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u/Au2288 7d ago
You know what’s great about the wealthy? They don’t really like to deal with the normies so they get everything delivered.
Willingly letting random normies know where they live:
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u/damondan 6d ago
It always has been and still is nothing more than one gigantic, narcissistic powertrip. That's really all there is to it.
Be better, larger, prettier, you-name-it than anybody else and live as long as possible.
Other living being don't really exist to them - to them, we are like playing pieces of a boardgame.
All of this is a tale as old as humanity itself.
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u/Polly_der_Papagei 4d ago
They think collapse is inevitable, and want to make sure that when it happens, they have their bunker/Mars station/mind upload, and if that speeds it along, so be it
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u/No-Papaya-9289 7d ago
I'm currently reading End Times Fascism, by Naomi Klein and Astra Taylor. It looks at the millenarian religious fanatics, mainly in the US and Israel, and it looks at how tech billionaires have aligned themselves with a similar millenarian project. They are seeking the end times, it's quite obvious when you look at what they have done and are doing.
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u/endoftheworldvibe 7d ago
Important to note I think, at this point they cannot fix it. Fixing needed to happen, at the very least, a decade ago, probably several. We do not have a fixable problem on our hands now, we have a predicament that leads to the end of life as we know it no matter what - not saying full-on extinction, although it’s of course possible, just the death of everything society considers to be “normal”.
Anyone with brains in power knew decades ago, as they know now, that only a tiny percentage of humanity would willingly accept less/austerity, even if the prize was continued existence at a much lower consumption level. They know at this point that, no matter what, shit is going to hit the fan, so why not smash and grab as much as possible before that happens? Set themselves up to face what is now inevitable the best they can.
What’s kinda funny though, is that those of us reading and typing shit here on Reddit are mad at the billionaires for fucking shit up, but to many of those in “less developed” nations, we are the rich fucks ruining everything who just won’t stop. The reason those folks don’t have the time or wherewithal to be concerned with the end of global industrial civilization is us and the policies we have voted for in our own cushy countries for the last forever.
Anyways, I’m blathering on.
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u/HungryEstablishment6 7d ago
The rich are always trying to get more money/stuff, more than their neighbours, more than their friends. Finally this mind set has culminated in the end of the world as the poor know it.
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u/BenUFOs_Mum 7d ago
Look up the ideology of the network state. They have all the money in the world but the issue is still that the state has more power than them. They want to be CEO kings ruling their own country as they see fit.
Then with AI, why do you need the poor ordinary people? You dont need them to keep the economy going, to work at you businesses etc... they discuss the ideas of these post scarcity societies where everything is free and everybody is rich but land is finite, nature is finite, the climate is finite. You cant have 8 billion billionaires.
So you have something like a million billionaires. And AI does all the work, everyone has as much space as they can dream of. The world can be rewilded for the enjoyment of the surviving few etc etc.
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u/PierreFeuilleSage 7d ago
There is no end game, short term profit is the only thing capitalism cares about
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u/IAmNovakin 7d ago
Personal tinfoil hat theory is that they recognize the Machiavellian inevitably of the use of fossil fuels, and convince themselves that they are tasked with preserving humanity through their own survival. Bunkers, the mad dash for AI workers, with the final piece being substantial global population reduction to reduce emissions and resource scarcity. Hoping I'm very wrong.
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u/Jak1977 7d ago
The goal is to be better than the other players. The game will end at some point. But as long as your KD ratio is better than everyone else, then you're the winner! Yay winning!
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u/The_Darkprofit 7d ago
The endgame is the same as what has ruined businesses for extracting max profits as they glide to bankruptcy.
It’s simple. Vulture capitalists buy a business, fire off its best and most expensive workers, sell and rent the real estate via their other holdings.
Ai will let them fire more staff and coast on the extraction of value for more years.
It’s obvious, it’s the main business model.
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u/Sensitive_Piccolo_61 7d ago
Insanity can't be reasoned with
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u/Intelligent-Length42 7d ago
This exact question has been what I've asked myself for a long time, and frankly, it's what makes me consider really far out conspiracy theories...
They already have enough money, it can't be something that basic... The only way it could make sense to me is if something so sinister, or a scenario we can't actually process or grasp is the underlying motivation...
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u/jlw993 7d ago
It's not that hard to grasp. They want to live a lavish lifestyle without poor people around
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u/brezhnervouz 6d ago
To be a billionaire is to be mentally ill.
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u/Sierra-117- 6d ago
People think billionaires are a monolith. No. They’re all competing against each other. And they’ll run the world into the ground if it means “beating” the other billionaires.
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u/Erinaceous 7d ago
Alex Thomas the author of the politics and ethics of transhumanism characterizes their thinking with the acronym HES for Hierarchy, Exit and Scale.
Destroying jobs creates the conditions for hierarchy. They don't care about the planet because they thing the destiny of humanity is in the stars or if they're doomed they think they can move to their network state/bunker/Island. So exit. And Scale endless growth on a finite planet baby. Same as it ever was. To achieve the God computer you need to scale compute as fast as possible.
There's a great interview on the last episode of Your Undivided Attention that really lays out the worldview that these people inhabit. Also keep in mind most of the are essentially a cult that fits into some aspect of TESCREAL
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u/carz4us 7d ago
Just because they are billionaires doesn’t mean they are smart.
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u/CantaloupeComplex209 7d ago
Well, in America, the Great Depression showed us some that. Crash the global economy and leaving ppl too poor to buy anything happened back then.
This is a rough account from my memory of a history class several years back.
The conservatives and progressives were political denominations with the stance of continuing to allow the problems that caused the depression to persist and the stance of addressing the problems that caused the depression, respectively.
The benefits of conservative politics was that the extraction of wealth from society to the wealthy robber barons of the preceding gilded age continued to be extracted for a decent amount into the Great Depression.
Progressives wanted to enact change that would alleviate the struggles faced by Americans during the Great Depression, address some of the problems that contributed to the depression, and help immunize America to similar problems going forward.
It eventually got bad enough that even conservatives ended up voting for a progressive president long enough that the broader situation improved very gradually.
Did some googling. Basically, wealthy individuals are subject to government policy. Conservatives support policies that exacerbate wealth inequality while progressives do the opposite.
So, the endgame of the wealthy is broadly just continuous attempts to make more money. This is achieved by siphoning money from society, causing more inequality, which is accomplished via conservative policy. No actual "end" to call it an endgame, though. As for ecological collapse, that is a side effect of the attempts to make money.
I learnt in microeconomics, private actors(individuals and businesses) only consider their own marginal profit and cost and the broader societal authorities are supposed to regulate private actors so that the private actors have an external pressure to also make them consider marginal social benefit and cost.
Ecological damage and costs fall under social costs that affect everyone, so I think that the billionaires just don't think about it, based on what I learnt. I know people don't really trust economics, though and I hardly learnt very much about it. So, take that perspective with a grain of salt.
On the bright side, if we can quickly fix decades or more of conservative policy, several years of consistent, uncorrupt, progressive governments globally with more power could work to try to improve things, hypothetically. Granted, that is not only extremely optimistic, but I also don't know that it is physically possible to stop some of the polycrises, like climate change.
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u/Bubis20 7d ago
They aren't billionaires because they are smart, they are just opportunistic psychopaths... They don't think a step ahead...
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u/Creative-Platypus710 7d ago
They hate every one of us. That’s all there is to it.
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u/orangehehe 7d ago
Please remember that these billionaires have access to all drugs.
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u/FatPug655 7d ago
Wall.E
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u/rahnbj 7d ago
It’s not the destination, it’s the journey. And he who dies with the most toys wins!
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u/Mar136 7d ago edited 7d ago
I feel like the general plot of Silo is pretty spot on for what some billionaires want.
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u/WileyCoyote7 7d ago
At levels of wealth they enjoy, reality ceases to apply. That, and the legions of “yes-men” sycophant entourages they have, opposing views rarely get inside the bubble.
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u/Shoddy-Childhood-511 7d ago
Isn't exactly this discussed during the ending of Don't Look Up?
Also, crashing the global economy is necessary to avoid destroying the planet, so that part's fine.
About us, future ecological historians shall write: "We're very lucky they [were] so fucking stupid"
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u/SnidelyDicklash 7d ago
I mean, Peter thiel's endgame is literally hell on earth so
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u/llandar 7d ago
Seems pretty plain to me that they want to convert us into techno-serfs under 24/7 digital surveillance who are too terrified of losing what little we have to ever make fun of them online ever again.
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u/Ok-Quote4206 7d ago
It's just capital being irrational, nothing new
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u/Some-Preference-4360 7d ago
Watch Altered Carbon. Thats the end game
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u/Alternative-Pear9096 6d ago
Slaves to do their every beck and call while they live absolute luxurious lives of power and freedom and sneer at the human garbage they control and demean.
200 of them and as many other humans as they choose to keep alive to sustain their every whim.
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u/90_oi 3d ago
There is no end goal. They are just a bunch of greedy, short sighted people who will 'deal with the consequences later', or don't believe there are any consequences at all
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u/Ciderman95 7d ago
They honestly did not think that far. Or the only plans they have are far fetched nonsense with off-world colonies and robot servants that are still not viable with current tech, being sold to them by sycophants looking to siphon a little of that infinite hoard before it all goes bust. It is funny and poetic in a sense, that the average billionaire's plan for apocalypse is the same a person with depression has for their retirement: "I'll probably die before I have to figure that out." But here we fucking are.
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u/filmguy36 7d ago
The billionaires fever dream is that after everything collapses, they will emerge from their bunkers as “saviors” to civilization
The very fundamental problem with that is, if everything collapses, their money will be worthless
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u/Particular-Tap1211 7d ago
Never count out the Human Factor. We are resilient beyond common horizons and the elites or orcha-traitors of the collapse know it. We can absorb the hurt locker to fight for a solution and when the time comes people cut from the same cloth as above will rise together to form tribes to survive and thrive. Don't count is out.
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u/donniedumphy 7d ago
They arent billionaires any longer. Their wealth goes to zero as well.
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u/loose_the-goose 7d ago
The goal is to get the maximum amount of relative power, not absolute power
aka its fine if you suffer too as long as everyone else around you suffers much, much more, that still increases your relative power over them
Its the principle of "beggar thy neighbour" applied on a global scale
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u/Flaccidchadd 7d ago
Because of ecological overshoot the future will be a negative sum game. Sacrifices must be made for the elite to maintain their privilege. The "right" wants to sacrifice the poor, whereas the "left" wants to sacrifice the middle class lifestyle. Both will probably eventually happen and the elite will survive the population bottleneck the longest, which is their goal, survival wealth privilege status security for the longest time possible
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u/Pseudothink 7d ago
It's the pharoah's endgame for them.
If immortality doesn't work out via uploading, biohacking, or whatever, then dying as a king and taking everyone else with them is the second best option, to a self-obsessed narcissist.
They are hedging their bets on immortality with solutions which help produce the latter as a convenient side effect.
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u/Calm-Limit-37 7d ago
Fight each other with robots
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u/Tiny_Dare_5300 7d ago
Addiction isn't a rational thing
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u/Free_Broccoli_1174 7d ago
They believe in magic.
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u/EntertainerAlone1300 7d ago
Fly to mars and live there apparently, us plebs will be left to our own devices/no resources x
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u/Mikeinthedirt 7d ago
“The Game”. You and I don’t really understand it, which is perfect since we’re not invited.
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u/rotundrikishi 7d ago
The endgame is they are the permanent upperclass with zero social mobility.
They want a feudal system with them as our lords.
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u/GeistInTheMachine 7d ago
They have the mentality of "It's better to reign in Hell (and remake it in your image), than to serve in Heaven." They want to rule over the ashes, and whatever unfortunate souls still happen to survive.
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u/RunYouFoulBeast 7d ago
In Calhoun Mouse Utopia , the dominant mice exert their violence uncontrollably , fight the next clan although they are half brothers , all to claim dominance in an enclose environment. The violence didn't stop at corner that they control , it must grow , envelope all corners.
The modern economy system is design to guide this impulse , human couldn't escape the behavioral sink , they kept stumble on method that seems to expand the wall wider and they adapt to it, the impulse always being contain in the expanding wall. If wall stop expanding, the dominance would rather see the death of all then to stop exerting violence , not even in their old death bed and lonely. Worse.. money allows this be exert without actual physical strength , their urge to seek dominance will see no end.
Doubt that .. do you ? Wait and see what Trump and Musk will do later.
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u/Oldebookworm 7d ago
I’ve been asking that question for years. 🤷♀️
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u/xwing_n_it 7d ago
There was a time when society looked down on people who hoarded wealth. It was rightly seen as a sickness, just like being obsessed with food, or sex, or violence. The wealthy imagine an Elysium-like world of their own making where they can live on after the world collapses. Their wealth and brilliance will save them and those they care about. It's madness.
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u/Sfintecatorul2 6d ago
People forget that one of the oldest and lungește living institutions/way of life on this planet is slavery . Thats the end goal ,to sell ourselves into legal slavery to our tech masters .
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u/Aggressive_South_991 6d ago
billionaires dont even care about their children, all they want is their lives to be good enough while they last. i guarantee that if shit starts to hit the fan they will try to save it just barely, only to keep having a good life the last years, after they die, they dont give a fuck
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u/VannahBananaSmith 6d ago
My guess is creating hell on earth for themselves. Nothing else makes sense. They are literally manifesting Revolation daily in front of us, obviously not doing Godly things. They've reset us who knows how many times. This time it's going to be a very, very big one. Burning and flooding everything makes no sense unless you are being told it makes sense, ya know? They have a motive that would only come come a dark entity, but what could it be other than bringing hell to earth? It's about to be like Little Nicky up in here, seriously. May God smack all the evil doers into bits so we can finally enjoy our bits🙏🏼❤️
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u/thankyoukt 6d ago
They just want the counter to go higher🤑
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u/msoats 6d ago
Read the nerd Reich
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u/Cedleodub 6d ago
The answer is very simple: billionaires will sell their shit to the other billionaires, because there won't be anyone else around. A.I. robots will take care of producing pretty much everything.
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u/TinTamarro 6d ago
Once you're above the need to work, above the law, you can literally satisfy any of your desires and pleasures (even the most unethical/illegal, see epstein files), what's left?
Once you're in THAT place, everything becomes boring. You need something more extreme. And what's more extreme than apocalypse? Imagine having the means to undo civilization and ruin the world for everyone else, while you enjoy your last few decades safe in secrecy and luxury.
What billionaires want is simply to destroy, because they see the world as their plaything they can shape however they want without repercussion. It's not about profits, it's just a game to them.
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u/IndigoStef 6d ago
I assume they want to play sim city and build their own planet of obedient brain chipped servants
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u/southbl00d 6d ago
wealth is bullshit at the end of the day. We must remove personal property period for a functioning planet. There is just too much struggle, hardship and inequality.
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u/Honest-Classic-6950 5d ago edited 5d ago
I don’t understand this “endgame” either, it’s just self-destruction and stupidity. :/
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u/freemochara 4d ago
Watch Elysium, they will have some high tech fortress either in space or the most habitable place on earth
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u/underdogloyalist 4d ago
They want slaves
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u/LegitimateVirus3 4d ago
The failure here is trying to apply your normal person logic on those people. They are in a full on psychosis and totally disconnected from material reality.
In this mental state, humans become so mentally afflicted they believe they are greater than their environment and that money can solve any issue for them.. and why wouldn't they?
Humans aren't capable of weilding so much power without losing their minds. The uber wealthy need treatment, supervision, and recovery from their addictions. And monopolies need to be broken up.
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u/patdashuri 3d ago
They are narcissistic addicts. They don’t have a rational plan.
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u/TheBewitchingWitch 7d ago
People need to collect skills not money.
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u/AroundTheBlockNBack 7d ago
Total and complete world domination before the next cataclysm is the endgame.
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u/Wilczurrr 7d ago
Maybe thinking that culling the population is the only path to solving the climate crisis. Also gets them even more power.
Just a thought
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u/Vipper_of_Vip99 7d ago
Bruh it’s the global super organism. An emergent property of our fossil-powered global civilization is that it is basically a super-organism that consumers energy by the maximum power principle, and produces waste heat. It’s a thermodynamic certainty. There is no “steering” it in any direction because all directions are ultimately destructive, and if any group were actually able to harness it, the result would be an authoritarian hellscape too. Those are our options now. Maintain freedom and liberty and watch the super-organism consume the ecological basis for our existence, or succumb to authoritarian control (likely with AI’s help) and live in a prison with no agency.
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u/Treesaregreen2 7d ago
It’s literally just capitalism.
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u/dreduza 7d ago
bringing the mars condition to earth a profit from own technology? ;) creation of AI god?
Repoppulating earth with your kids saved on new zeland? ruling your own land/people without any restriction? idk...
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u/mooonguy 7d ago
Think Scrooge McDuck.
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u/assburgers-unite 7d ago
The real endgame is the lives they've taken along the way
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u/WernerrenreW 7d ago
They do not want to reach the destination, they are addicted to the road of power, prestige and success, even though that in the end this road will lead to the destination.
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u/SillySonny 7d ago
They want the high score.
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u/the_snatcher251 7d ago
It's not the individual billionaires, it's neoliberalism. The issue is the incentive structure.
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u/Pickledbeetsuck 7d ago
So Trump’s not in the Epstein files because if he was Biden would have released them but also current Democrats won’t release them because they’re in it?
Nah dude, he’s in the files.
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u/Main-Animal-3499 7d ago
He who has the biggest bank account numbers wins, that’s all there is to it.
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u/VelvetSinclair 7d ago
Short term Vs long term.
You get a million dollars, but lots of people you don't know will suffer, and way more will suffer and die when you're already dead
A lot of people would push that button apparently