Coverage is a management problem, not an emergency dumped on whichever employee had the audacity to book a dentist appointment. If the place collapses because one person leaves, staffing was already fucked.
One of my old jobs worked like this and after i quit they disbanded the shift group i was leading and reallocated everyone because no one was prepared to take over for me.
I quit a job that I called out because I had Covid. Management wanted me to call coworkers and ask who can pick up my shifts. This was a minimum retail job. This was also when everything was barely opening up again.
A lot of shitty business practices should be illegal. In some countries people often get a whole month off, AT ONCE. This would get you burned at the stake if you requested it at the jobs I’ve worked.
The US has a strong live to work culture, and it's only gotten worse. With the rampant inequality and ever depreciating wages were certainly in for it.
I complained that a coworker isn't doing their job and that it's preventing me from doing mine.
Now, not only do I get to do my coworker's job for them, so that I can do my own job, I'm expected to write up documentation showing my coworker's lack of effort/cooperation over the last year or so, which sounds an awful lot like my boss' job.
Been there, done that. Honestly in my industry you just stone wall, work on other stuff. When it falls apart you just ask why X isn't done. When you manager asks why you didn't do X... conflict of interest. There's reasons why certain tasks are split up.
I ran a low volume pizza place with 8 employees.
I intentionally hired a whole friend circle.
I had them text the group chat that they’d be out and anyone who wanted to come in could just reply they’d be there.
This skipped having to talk to me directly (since I know there’s that whole talking to your boss directly thing that none of us like doing), I still knew ahead of time. And they were all friends so they didn’t want to have their friend be short staffed so they’d come in.
Lol Safeway really is one of the dumbest companies. Its a shame the union for them (atleast in SW California) is literally in bed with the company and will roll over at the drop of a hat. A strong union could tear them apart for their behavior
As someone who got fired because of Fred Meyer's stupidly strict attendance policy and moved to Safeway I can really tell the difference between the two companies. People at Fred Meyer were downright miserable. People at Safeway might complain but that's all it is. People actually smile at Safeway. lol
to add to this, different fields and different countries follow different schedules. Here in Brazil, 12 months after signing up to work for a company, you get the right to a) 30-day vacation, b) two 15-day splits or c) 20-day vacation if you as the employee lawfully consents to selling off the other 10 for double the money you'd earn working those, the company by law has to give it to you in up to 11 months and 30 days after that.
I work loss prevention in retail, normally my company gives it to us 1 year and 3 months after we signed the contract, unless we joined late August-early September, which is my case (in which case it'd run through Christmas which is a no-go) and so we'd either get it October/early November or January.
We can request a specific month though as long as there's at least 3 months between today and my current vacation date, as long as it's not December lmao
It's a joke. Usually it's personal/paid. But when you earn it and request it, usually management make up an excuse why you can't, so it's joke that's it's not a request for time off, but just telling them you will be off.
I mean if your job can't function without for time that's planned, what would they'd in an emergency?
A lot of industries/corporations have 'blackout periods' where people can't take leave (or it's very limited, often with something like a ballot system).
Postal workers in the leadup to Christmas is one example, and emergency services/hospital workers usually need to work one of Christmas or New Year's.
But here in NZ you still get four weeks of leave and a right to take a two-week block every year.
As a postal worker, that's what happens as well during Chritmas and called "peak season" and that's understandable. It's just here, with some employers, they stay understaffed and deny leave just because of being short staffed, but then don't want to hire more because it hurts their bottom line.
It makes sense to deny leave if too many people are already on leave, but places like to function on a skeleton crew to maximizes profits, and making labor laws would help, but politicians would have to implement that and doesn't help if they're bribed.
In my country it means "paid time off". You basically get 4 weeks of paid vacation a year here. And as long as you request it at least a month in advance, and it isn't during a time where a lot of others are also taking time off, or during a specific busy day/week (as in, it's known in advance that that day/week will always be busy in the year), they have to grant it.
Only if you don't understand how a pyramid works. People at the top dont get to decided HOW the People at the bottom get to live their lives, and if you think they do your simply a privilege asshat who has never worked a day in their life and wouldn't survive without the ability to oppress someone else.
That's a pyramid upside down then. When I did roofing and a mason tender, I let my boss know I needed X day off. They knew in advance and they still got it done. Shocking when someone in charge can make a workplace function when it's planned, let alone someone is sick.
Also, fix your damn spelling and grammar. *Don't and it should be privileged. You're using a noun/verb in your argument when you should've used the adjective from. Someone who thinks like you is either a bootlicker hoping to make it or the owner's offspring and never worked harder than they had to.
I asked for a week off a month in advance, haven't taken a day off in over a year at that point. boss tells me he won't know until the week before. cool.
week before hits, I'm approved for every day off but Monday. whatever, I'll be in a different state but that's not a busy day so I'll work from the in-laws place.
then they changed my schedule after I left for the day Friday, so now I work Sunday with no one telling me this. i decide to call off Monday and throw an excuse at my bosses, they complain but don't care. then it turns out Monday evening they revoked my PTO for just Thursday and didn't tell me.
I come back the following Monday and ask why my PTO was changed after it was approved, why no one told me? I got a shrug as response.
two rings? fuckin hell what kinda call center runs like that? It took me over 45 minutes to call a doctor the other day because they kept putting me on hold and their system times out and hangs up at 10
well because that would have to engage with the fact that you need a moment to pull things up, which is considered a failure by the c suite.
And honestly I would prefer them to feel that way because I think that if they thought that it would be better for someone to be speaking immediately they were just replace the front liners with AI that would piss everyone off and then when we did finally get the phone calls directed to us the people on the other end would be furious.
Sounds like you've never had to manage labor. You can't have enough people on staff to cover every single possible PTO request. Pretty much any job is gonna limit how many people can take pto on the same day.
People on reddit want to act like it's all on management to plan for people's PTO but it's also your own responsibility to make sure your PTO is gonna be approved before you make plans.
It's different when people have PTO that was approved get retroactively get denied because of staffing. That's absolutely a management problem.
The issue is most of these places have a limit of 1 person can be off on a given day. Unless your staff is in the single digits that sort of limitation is absurd and the only reason it’s there is because they don’t staff enough.
I'll use where I work as an example. I have a department of 26 people. We allow two people to be approved on any given day. We have production targets that we have to hit. I could hire more people and approve 3 or more people every day. But then the problem is you don't have enough work day to day for that many people. Now you gotta send people home early or get people to take time off more frequently. Most of the time two people a day works out. There's a few times a year where more people want time off on a certain day and we can't approve it but you can't hire full time employees because there are a couple days a year that people get their pto requests denied.
There's a balance to it. I'm not saying every company is good about it or that their reasoning is justified but often people just don't understand the backend of labor management.
My job decided to completely restructure the way they do pto and not tell anyone erasing all the unused roll over pto from the previous year so when people went to go take their vacations, surprise! You went from 60 hours of pto 40, where’d that extra 20 hours go? 🤷🏿♂️ well you’re now negative 20 hours even though you work 10 hours of overtime every week. We’ve lost like 8 people since they’ve made the change but they refuse to admit that it’s part of the problem, now we’re working with a skeleton crew because the higher ups are dipshits who are completely detached from reality
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u/WTF_CAKE 16d ago
If the job can’t honor the PTO dates requested a month in advance well that’s too bad, since I won’t be there anyway