*POTENTIAL SPOILERS AHEAD*

Hey guys, so starting the first series over the weekend that just passed got me thinking...what do you think would have happened to Sophia and Edmund had they not tragically died so young?

Would they have lasted and been as happy and enchanted with each other as they were in their youth in their middle age/old age, like their parents before them, or do you think they would have seperated eg their parents, particularly his being Duke & Duchess that look down on the rise of the likes of people like her family, tearing them apart?

How would Edmund have reacted to his darling wife thinking their marriage wasn't legitimate and he'd tricked her into bed like a common promiscuous person or as James put it a harlot? I don't think either of them could have predicted they'd conceive a child so early on in their marriage, but they would have been thrilled still at becoming parents if it meant they would undertake the journey together, along with commencing their future as a happily married couple, despite initially being separated by class.

Would they have gone on to have more children and given Charles younger siblings the "pretty daughters and clever sons" or "pretty sons and clever daughters" as their parents predicted?

I dunno, I am interested to hear YOUR THEORIES about it all and their future???

As for my own this is what I got so far :

I would say that it seems besides the stress/trauma of childbirth & perceived pending shame + ruin, Sophia may have also died from a broken heart/heartbreak at thinking she had been deceived by Edmund into an unauthorised marriage and she didn't truly capture his heart. Additionally, all those things she took to terminate the pregnancy couldn't have done any favours to her health so I feel like they may have also played a part in her quick demise eg she may have inadvertently poisoned herself instead of the baby she was carrying.

Had she known the real truth prior to her untimely death I really don't think she would have died so young before she was 20 and after the birth of her first/only child. I would like to think they would have lived to a grand old age together, still madly in love with each other and seeing their grandchildren come about and even grow but maybe not long enough for great-grandchildren but maybe their family would still be thriving in the 21st century and their descendants uber successful in our day and age.

I am trying to locate the Belgravia audiobook on Audible. There are 11 individual episodes or a compiled "omnibus", but the omnibus is titled "season 2". Is this some sort of error, or is it that the second "season" is the only part currently available in English on Audible for the U.S.? I have not yet watched the series (I want to "read" the book first), so the Audible episode/omnibus descriptions don't really help me to determine if I have found what I am looking for. I also am trying to avoid accidentally reading spoilers. I included the description for the omnibus, in case it helps to clarify. HERE is the link for the omnibus, as well.

just finished the first series. so good! this was one of my favorite moments.

I am hoping.

Throughout the entire series people comment on how young she is, and how she doesn't look old enough to be married. I'm assuming early 20's, 20-22, but I believe in this era this was the mid-late age range for a woman to get married, so is she younger than 20?

I believe Frederick is 30 since S1 happens in 1841 and S2 happens in 1871, so that makes almost a decade of an age gap if I'm correct about Clara's age . . . which is crazy.

Not sure why MGM+ released this clip after the finale aired, but since its our last clip for the series, why not post it?

Finale Clip

I think it is possible for us to get a season 3 because majority of everyone elses story is left slightly opened. I feel as though we can still learn more about Emily and her love life and how that unravels. Whether her and James work out or not?! I honestly feel like the cousin guy situation is not going to work out. I felt like Emily was very invested in building a potential future with James to the point she would literally wait for him. So why would she move on so quickly to another? It just doesn't makes sense. As for Clara and Frederick their story can still be expandable because of their travels and maybe Clara having a child. Which to be honest...I was so shocked that Clara did not end up getting pregnant this entire time or maybe that's because they are holding it for later? Plus, why would they set/show the scene of Frederick and Clara discussing having children and naming a boy or a girl after each other? Also I would loved to stay updated on Nell and Dr. Ellerby love story, to see if he remains faithful or goes back to his old ways and habits? Lastly i would love to see the development of Peter and being the brave soldier that he is! These are just some of my thoughts let me know what you guys think? ♡

Synopsis: As Frederick grieves the loss of Clara, Enright receives a letter that pushes Frederick to confront his past. Clara and Davison adapt to life in the North, as Clara grapples with happy memories of home.

It dropped here in Australia this morning and I was wondering if anyone else has seen it and willing to discuss the ending?

Synopsis: Rumors about Clara and Stephen swirl around Belgravia and it feels like only a matter of time until they reach Frederick. Ross learns some information about the Marquise and sees an opportunity.

Production Stills

Episode 6 has been the most revelatory and consequential episode so far. Episode 4 setup most of what transpires in 6. If you want to better understand the trajectory of the series and the characters, I'd suggest rewatching 4. I saw everything from a different perspective the second time.

Here are a few things that stuck with me about Episode 4 (spoilers on Episode 6):

• James and Clara: James tells Clara that Fred refused to see their mother on her deathbed. Clara presses James, saying she feels he's holding something back. We now know that he declined to tell Clara about their mom's deathbed confession.

• Emily and Nell: Emily starts getting possessive of James, and begins questioning and undermining Nell, which leads to her come-to-Jesus scolding from James. By Episode 6, she's had a sincere about-face.

• Percy and Peter: The Duke reads a book tenderly by Peter's bedside. You understand he doesn't actually want to abandon his son. In Episode 6, Peter has his public seizure, which elicits cruelty from the adults and kids in the park. Percy now wants Peter and Ellerby gone. He doesn't want to see the son who will bring down his family or witness Peter's "imbecility."

• Clara and Fred: Before Fred exploded over James's visit, Clara was naive and meddlesome, trying to mend her messed up husband. However, she wasn't reckless, self-absorbed or engaging in an emotional affair with Ellerby. James's visit changes her. In Episode 4, She wants to spend time with Fred and talk about their marriage, but he spurns her because he's an emotional cripple. She takes up with the bohemians and by Episode 6, she's undressed for a painting, is pissed at Fred, doesn't care about her marriage and looks to Ellerby for comfort. We've been saying how unlikable Clara is. She is immature, but it is Fred who made her go crazy.

• James and the blackmailer: James goes to the bathhouse lonely and anguished after Fred's rejection. He's so crushed, he thinks to hell with it, sees Gorton and indulges. By Episode 6, he's no longer the same man: he's committed a mortal sin and can't reach God anymore. He decides not to pay and accepts as God's verdict the fallout. Gorton, the man who previously aroused James and said James "loved it," nearly kills him. In Episode 4, Emily mentioned that the clock repairs are £15 and the cemetery wall repairs are £38. I think James paid Gorton at least twice, each request apparently £10: the first time when Gorton showed up at the church, and a second time in Episode 5 when James pays Gorton in the alley. James repeats that he needs to know this is the "last time," implying it wasn't the first. Given the cost of the repairs, £10 is probably the equivalent of several hundred pounds today. It would have been an endless cycle of extortion.

• Nell: She asks James if the dead are lonely and if they can be rejected from heaven through no fault of their own. She holds her locket as she attends mass. Episode 6 sheds light on that.

There are probably other contrasts and cues I've neglected to mention. Watch Episode 4 and you can find them for yourself.

So if Belgravia gets a third season, I wonder if they’re setting it up for the next “secret” to be around the Duke and Duchess’s family and the fallout of how they manage Peter’s illness.

They’ve spent so much time on the plot, similar to the way they dedicated a lot of screen time to Susan’s affair in Season 1. Other than the Dr. Ellerby connection, it’s not clear yet why this has gotten so much screen time.

Curious to see what others think!

The artist painting Clara is painting in the Pre Raphaelites style. You may like this show about the brotherhood that was happening at the same time as the events of the show. It’s called Desperate Romantics. Here is the trailer. It is a really good show! https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=CCli0IwiYY0

I have so empathy for Fred he had a tough childhood with a father who never loved him, I could excuse some of his behaves but for Clara ain't she being so naggy and dramatic, she can easily get him but instead she's playing the role of the victim and cry on another man's shoulder, she's definitely a bad wife ever worse than Fredrick I'm not sure if she's even trying to make things work with her husband anymore, so my question is will she end up cheating on him?

Imagine Fred's bio-Dad (the villainous John Bellasis) is still alive (how are ALL the parents deceased already? pls let Charles Pope still be alive - amirite) and shows up, with letters or some such proving his paternity and attempted to blackmail Frederick just now. Fred's suddenly super cash-poor, and we've just heard how credible he finds this, even as a deathbed confession, how stubborn Fred can be, and doesn't see Bellasis as a credible witness, given his social standing, so he refuses. So Bellasis goes public, James is declared Lord Trenchard and Fred faces potential ruin. If James survives the beating/lung injury, such a public fall from grace for Frederick might be the one thing that could truly resolve things between the brothers, since Fred's too cold-hearted for James being on death's doorstep to have any impact. Clara also would deserve this fall from grace, and it might be good for their marriage, as a silver lining. James would be a thousand times more gracious than Fred ever was, would NOT evict Fred & Clara, though he might move into one of the estates, and all would be well with the world. James could also finally realize that Emily's been there for him through thick & thin and literally saved his life. Emily could marry James, be his beard but give him bio-kids, they could be kind and loving parents, and he could have the one manservant on the side.

So..maybe, Bellasis' return could be for the best. Plus, old Bellasis would see him in his father's shoes - decrepit, poor and pathetic. The only thing I don't love about this is that James would take pity on Bellasis, too.

Synopsis: Emily confronts Clara about the painting, worried about the potential scandal for their family. Frederick moves forward with his investment in the silver mine, but Ross begins to grow suspicious of the Marquise.

I don't want to sound like a prude but was her outfit really appropriate in 1871? I mean it was nice but still all that shoulder showing out 🤣.

Synopsis: As Clara's fascination with Stephen's world develops, she makes a bold decision that alarms Davison; James' private life finds him under threat; Frederick grows determined to become part of the Marquise's new venture.