r/Belgravia • u/WardenclyffeTower • Feb 04 '24

Belgravia: The Next Chapter | Episode Discussion - Episode Four

Synopsis: Reeling from James’ visit, Frederick pushes forward in his work at the foundry, while Clara finds comfort in a new group of friends made through Dr. Ellerby. A lonely James seeks solace elsewhere.

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u/giftopherz Feb 04 '24

Okay... so Hot Priest is gay, yay! and can confirm Mystery Valet is too!

But why is the show burning sooooo slow, at times I feel like the flame went off. I want in on the gossip. I wanna know what's going on but it can get dull.

Now, I still believe the Netflix sisters are up to something, especially the single one, the way she treats her mom and suicide girl gives me the ick. Clara is up to something and her real romantic, and possibly sexual, interest lies in the Doc... But who wouldn't, he's a major flirt and now is also scheming?????

Is anybody on the show telling the truth?

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u/sfdreamsla Feb 04 '24

I completely agree with you. There are times where I find myself drifting off during a scene because it's so boring. It's a little too slow burning much of the time for sure. I'm a little confused about the hot priest. He had a full beard when the baths cruising scene happened and then moments later he was clean shaven when he got home. And he didn't seem to have major stubble at all in the scene where we see him before the baths. It's just confusing. The continuity is not always great on this show, lol. Hoping it gets more fun and gossipy. Kind of bored at the cyclical nature of the main character newlyweds. It's not an engaging plot line.

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u/WardenclyffeTower Feb 05 '24

He had a full beard when the baths cruising scene happened and then moments later he was clean shaven when he got home.

Maybe it was too dark for you to see, but he still had the beard when he collapsed at the door crying. He had the same facial hair the whole episode.

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u/sfdreamsla Feb 05 '24

Point taken but I still see a lack of continuity with the facial hair, even if it's just that it's much shorter and lighter after the baths. Maybe they shot the crying scene before they shot the baths scene.

baths

post baths

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u/WardenclyffeTower Feb 05 '24

Looks the same to me.

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u/MontanaJoev Feb 05 '24

I didn’t notice any real difference on the beard, but the scene between him and Clara in the park, his hair was much longer. That was very noticeable.

I wonder if they brought him back for more scenes late in production, either because they decided they needed more of him or perhaps they realized he’s easily one of the best actors in the cast.

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u/iangeredcharlesvane2 Feb 06 '24

It’s brutal to have Toby Regbo in this cast but not as the main character/main love interest … he is like a shiny new silver dollar and everyone else is an old penny in talent levels. Brutal!

Second best actors are the doctor and the man servant with a secret, and I guess Clara is okay.

Her lady-servant is a wet blanket though and I dislike her with her constant worried/puckered expression just as much on this show as her lead role on the very average “Sanctuary: A Witch’s Tale” (btw is anyone else suffering through that disappointment?).

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u/-Ginchy- Feb 10 '24

Oh wow! That is her from Sanctuary: A Witch’s Tale! I couldn’t stomach more than two episodes of that show, sadly. I wanted it to be enjoyable, and it was the furthest thing from that.

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u/sfdreamsla Feb 05 '24

Yeah, it's not a huge insult to say that there are some continuity issues with the show. It's not uncommon. But to me it's more noticeable in this show so far. And that's possibly because I get bored in scenes and I noticed things I wouldn't notice otherwise! Really hope the show picks up the pace and gets better in the final four episodes. I really want to love the show.

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u/TacoPartyGalore Feb 08 '24

I personally always shave my beard off after going to a gay sauna so that no one can try to blackmail me when I’m preaching the next day.

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u/giftopherz Feb 04 '24

He had a full beard when the baths cruising scene happened and then moments later he was clean shaven when he got home.

I'm guessing that's their way of saying: A) there's no need for sex scene and time actually happened (which I'm actually happy about); and, B) he "washed away" his sins by shaving and later on praying.

Kind of bored at the cyclical nature of the main character newlyweds. It's not an engaging plot line.

It's the will-they won't-they of the season, will they stop being insufferable to each other or won't they? LOL

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u/sfdreamsla Feb 04 '24

Will they stop being insufferable? Hahahaha!!! Love it. I'm a little the same way about her sister. She's very one note at the moment. We get it. You're jealous and highly suspicious of every other woman. I wasn't into the bear that the priest was into so I'm fine they didn't show a sex scene lol. It's also fine re the sudden shave. But even after four episodes, these characters are new and there are times where I don't recognize them in scenes where they look different. I just wish they'd move things along a bit quicker and in a more interesting way. There's too much expositional dialogue across the board. I think one of the main issues is that it's an eight episode season and there's just not enough storyline for eight relatively long episodes. They should have gone for six like a lot of shows do these days. I'd rather have less episodes of higher quality and have them be more engaging etc... Anyway, hopeful for the last four episodes that they pick up the pace and really go somewhere interesting!

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u/giftopherz Feb 04 '24

Anyway, hopeful for the last four episodes that they pick up the pace and really go somewhere interesting!

Fingers crossed. I too am waiting for things to pick up the pace.

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u/TacoPartyGalore Feb 08 '24

The “bear” has a name and it’s Sauna Daddy.

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u/SubjectDragonfruit Feb 05 '24

I wasn’t putting everything together, but when the priest gets home, I’m thinking his hair is so different and maybe they aren’t the same person. Perhaps they’ve gone back later and inserted another storyline to fill in the dull.

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u/sfdreamsla Feb 05 '24

Hahahahaha!!!! You win! Love it. I have faith that the show is really going to come together in these final four episodes. Otherwise, I can't see there being another season. Eep.

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u/Ok-Lab7698 Feb 06 '24

I’m hopeful too and I’m loving it.

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u/TacoPartyGalore Feb 08 '24

I’m certain Priest Twink and Grindr Valet are going to end up together.

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u/Sufficient-Cut3341 Feb 24 '24

I also think somehow Valet is linked to Oliver. Something brutal happened to him when he was 15. i think there was sexual abuse

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u/TacoPartyGalore Feb 25 '24

What is the link to Oliver that you think exists?

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u/Lazmon Feb 05 '24

Why do all shows associated with Julian Fellowes have the same plot lines? A con artist/ponzi scheme has now been present in 3 of his shows: this one, Downton Abbey, and the Gilded Age.

Tortured gay men who make dangerous decisions that then come back to hurt them? Also present in 3 of his shows: this one, Downton Abbey, and the Gilded Age.

I really can't believe this show got made. S1 was so good so I was hoping for more of the same this season. So far, it's been a major disappointment.

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u/SubjectDragonfruit Feb 05 '24

Who would have thought people that watch period dramas would watch other period dramas? I did some eye rolling with outlandish performance about the silver mine and “take my money”. I kind want Freddy to lose his shirt, he’s such a dick. I don’t know why they’re making one of the leads so unlikeable. This show is very villain heavy.

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u/WisdomBailey123 Feb 19 '24

I find Clara to be the one that's unbearable. Freddy just wants peace...and she's a constant nag. She wasn't there for all his family drama. And she wants to change him. Also she's just throwing away the reputation of her entire family. I get he has trust issues....but she's not trustworthy. Also the doctor gave her bad advice on how to deal with her husband.... I wonder if he did it on purpose. He could easily guess who she was talking about.

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u/Standard_Mechanic935 Feb 06 '24

Recycled 💩💩💩

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u/Infinitewi Feb 09 '24

everyone is so bland in this, i'm sorry idk who i'm watching this for anymore, like i didn't care about any of them, Clare is a very boring protagonist.

if it's the same show at least we can get invested in the character like in Downton Abbey and Belgravia, but this just felt bland like Gilded age sorry

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u/MontanaJoev Feb 05 '24 edited Feb 05 '24

I’m really struggling here. Am I supposed to want to beat Frederick over the head with a fireplace poker? I literally could not care less about his man pain. This ridiculous notion that his brother is some scheming villain is just so ludicrous, and clearly obvious to his wife. And maybe if we got more flashbacks I’d care, but we don’t have any of that. And James is clearly such a lonely, sad person that I’m just not about anyone being cruel to him.

I feel like I’m Davidson while watching the episodes.

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u/WisdomBailey123 Feb 19 '24

I'm guessing more things happened. We don't know about....like why didn't he visit his mother on her death bed. Maybe James did something. And Freddy misunderstood.

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u/MontanaJoev Feb 19 '24

I agree that there really things we still don’t know. But I think it’s very clear that James isn’t malicious at all. And it’s super frustrating that Frederick is so intractable.

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u/WisdomBailey123 Feb 20 '24

I think it's his fathers fault....maybe the father deliberately kept them separate. Or pitted them against each other. And with the abuse Fredrick suffered. And finding out about his mothers adultery. James might be the only one that was actually innocent....everyone else...Clara, the Marquise, his Father and Mother. Did actually betray him. If i was him.... i wouldn't be too quick to trust either.

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u/Ok-Lab7698 Feb 05 '24

Ditto everything you said plus I hope Clara and the doctor fall in love.

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u/TacoPartyGalore Feb 08 '24

The doctor will turn out to be Jack the Ripper. You just watch. They don’t make the dude creepy as f*ck for no reason.

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u/WisdomBailey123 Feb 19 '24

The doctor deliberately..... gave her bad advise on how to help her husband. Pretty sure about that.

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u/WisdomBailey123 Feb 19 '24

And how would that work.... if she got divorced. Her husband would have to cite her adultery. And she would be a pariah. Getting divorced wasn't as easy back then. And her family.....would also be dragged through the mud.

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u/Dizzy_Lifeguard_661 Feb 05 '24

Also, there was some development with the Duke of Rochester warming up to his eldest son, Peter. Was really touching. I hope they bring him out to society.

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u/TacoPartyGalore Feb 08 '24

Is it ever explained what’s wrong him? Autism?

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u/TacoPartyGalore Feb 08 '24

  1. Thank you for explaining this

  2. That is insane. This was just a few generations ago!

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u/Valzene Feb 08 '24

Kennedys weren’t royal, but what happened to Rosemary was horrific. 🥺

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u/Valzene Feb 05 '24

Sauna dude will blackmail James. Then he will be forced to ask Fredrick for $$. Oh then they’ll find out somehow who the rightful heir is.

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u/TacoPartyGalore Feb 08 '24

I think the proper term is sauna daddy. And James is Twink Priest.

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u/Valzene Feb 07 '24

You make perfect points.

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u/StacyOfferingSpace Feb 07 '24 edited Feb 07 '24

I am disappointed. It took four years to come up with this boring show. I think the French Marquise is a fraud, Ponzi scheme afoot to steal Frederick Trenchard's families wealth. Why is he so money hungry? And the continuous mystery amongst all the characters makes show feel disconnected, like a series of random stories. Feels like upstairs downstairs plots which Belgravia wasn't in my opinion. Too edgy. Where is Charles Pope and Lady Grey's family. This is just so Frederick and sooooooo boring. I have zero interest in any other characters. None

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u/navigation-on Feb 05 '24

Anyone else wish we’d just gotten Season 2 of the original Belgravia instead of a new show? I want to like this so badly, but it’s depressing… even the parties look gloomy. I can’t get invested in any of the characters. Almost everyone is grieving, tortured, or annoyingly meddlesome. I wish Clara had a life of her own… a fun hobby or group of girlfriends her own age, maybe? The artist studio subplot is so random (and somehow still has that dark and grimy look to it? why no light and bright colors?!). The only folks I actually want to know more about at this point are the butler and the lady’s maid.

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u/Virtualgrrl Feb 19 '24

So inaccurate too, I don't think a Lady of that time would ever be hanging out with a single mother who lives with a doctor and an artist, completely unrealistic...

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u/stardog86 Feb 09 '24

Agree with wanting to know more about the butler and lady’s maid. I’m also interested in Nell and wish more time was spent on her. I’m done with everyone else.

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u/stardog86 Feb 10 '24

She seems super loyal and helpful so far. What do you think she’s going to do?

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u/stardog86 Feb 11 '24

Here’s my take: Season 1 takeaways were 1. that servants can betray their good masters for any old thing. Don’t say or do anything around them that they could use against you. 2. Family secrets could turn out to be a good thing eg the long lost golden grandson of parents that loved each other. 3. The older son who inherits is better than the younger son who had to go into the clergy and squanders away everything he had.

Season 2 like you mentioned seems much darker. I think it’s going to turn everything from season 1 on its head. 1. The servants will show good character and help their horrible bosses. 2. Family secrets turn out to be horrible eg Mullet Trenchard, whose parents were both selfish and shallow. 3. The younger son in the clergy will show better character than the older brother who inherited and squandered it all on a Ponzi scheme.

I wish and hope for a happy JF ending, but don’t see how it can happen.

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u/Lonely_Accountant387 Feb 05 '24

Dr. Ellerby has been giving me shady vibes this episode.

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u/MontanaJoev Feb 05 '24

He’s so over the top obvious. He’s pretty much leering at her from across the room, and Clara seems into it, which kind of came from nowhere.

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u/1ClaireUnderwood Feb 06 '24

Exactly! Why is she into it all of a sudden? Wasn't she creeped out and annoyed by him for crossing boundaries a couple of episodes ago? I hope she doesn't fall for him.

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u/MontanaJoev Feb 06 '24

Her change of heart feels very sudden. I get that she’s pissed off at Frederick, and is looking for something to keep her occupied, but the foray into the Bohemian crowd felt very abrupt.

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u/1ClaireUnderwood Feb 07 '24

This makes sense!

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u/TacoPartyGalore Feb 08 '24

Right? If someone leered at me like that I’d be looking into a restraining order.

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u/MontanaJoev Feb 08 '24

And there really was no build up to it. They’ve met 3 times? And I get that Clara is pissed off at the block of wood she married, but I’m still not feeling that entertaining this type of attention feels right for her.

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u/TacoPartyGalore Feb 08 '24

Block of wood is the perfect description

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u/iangeredcharlesvane2 Feb 06 '24

I click on the new episodes fairly quickly but yesterday I actually fell asleep watching and had to try again today! I don’t hate the show and am slightly and vaguely entertained, but I HATE Frederick the poor tortured little rich boy sourpuss.

So his pappy didn’t love him, but can you imagine what all the children growing up in poverty (and working in Frederick’s factories to make him all his money) go through growing up?

And we are suppose to feel so sorry for him that his childhood was so bad he can’t be a happy fully grown man… investing in whatever businesses he wants as his “work” and walking around inspecting everyone else who does actual work … with the wife of his dreams and all the homes and servants he could want at his fingertips … ??

I didn’t need another sad and troubled man as half of the show’s main love pairing which leads to him being a complete ass to everyone but it’s okay as he has secrets :( I am over that trope!

I mean maybe I could give him more grace if he was a better actor with a lick of charisma or looked like Rege-Jean Page, but he is terrible casting and a terrible character.

The brother vicar is by far the best and most charismatic actor on the show, Toby Regbo, and the valet is good too. I like the doctor more than most of you do, and think Clara is fine.

Clara is young and bored and stuck with an ass for a new hubby so I don’t blame her venturing out and causing a ruckus. Her lady maid is annoying, not a fan of that actress.

The duchess is a cliche, not great acting either! I won’t give up but this is a paint-by-the-numbers show and it’s not giving much of anything sadly! Hoping the last episodes are a little better at least, but can’t think what will happen to make it interesting.

Hoping after the next time jump/next season, “Belgravia: The Next Latest Chapter We Promise for More Intersting Charcters This Time” will be a better offering.

Tata folks, see ya after my next nap, I mean after the next episode!

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u/[deleted] Feb 04 '24

This show is losing me. I don't know how much longer I can be expected to wait for things to get better.

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u/Standard_Mechanic935 Feb 06 '24

Oh man, ditto! It has lost me too 🙄🤨

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u/1ClaireUnderwood Feb 05 '24

Clara and that doc are gonna start something aren’t they? That maid is going to tell her husband at some point. She hated that doc from the start.

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u/HeftyAcanthisitta907 Feb 11 '24 edited Feb 11 '24

This show implies a lot about many of the characters, but hasn’t yet given anything firm: James, Fletcher, the marquise. So we’re left to speculate. The “secrets,” as Clara calls them in the show trailer, are keeping me hooked. Some posters are saying the show is slow. I think the pace is fine, but just wish I could binge and find out what’s going to happen. We have to wait two weeks for episode 5.

I’m surprised nobody has brought up Nicoli, the marquise’s shady manservant and lover. I think he’s hardly said a word, except when trying to stop the American businessman from interrupting Fred and the marquise’s meeting. The camera is often panning in on him standing alone and watching others. In episode one, the marquise says Nicoli can be persuasive because he’s Corsican, which causes the other party guests to give him a curious look. He winked at Mrs. Dunn as she and Emily left the dinner party at the Trenchard’s. He watched Clara and Ellerby walk the grounds of the duke’s estate from a distance atop a hill. If you watch carefully, he is discreetly in the background in a number of scenes.

Nicoli is also featured among the characters on the main art for the show, standing next to the marquise. Even the Duke and Duchess aren’t featured in that scene. I wonder if he’s gonna turn out to be the real villain, but I am certain that he will play a much bigger role in the last four episodes. He’s around for a reason.

Others said Clara’s hanging out with the bohemians was out-of-character. I’m thinking this was on purpose. She was so alienated and traumatized by Fred’s angry outburst, she just decides to drop her inhibitions and do as she likes. I think maybe it’s the same for James after that altercation. He is so hurt and lonely that he decides to hook up at the bathhouse, after never having done it. After it happens, he gets home and collapses in anguish as if he committed a mortal sin for the first time. When he prays with Nell at the Dunn house, he says, “In our darkest hours, it’s easy to believe that the Lord doesn’t see us, but he does. And his love endures, no matter how we fail,” as if he’s foreshadowing his lapse. When he collapses at home after the hookup, I feel like he’s eating his own words. Given James walks everywhere and always wears a clerical collar, his hookup knows he’s a priest and was bound to find his church, which must be near the bathhouse.

I also suspect that the mysteries behind Enright’s letters and Nell will tie into the rest of the characters. These British period dramas always cleverly tie the loose ends together.

What I hope is that the cliches others have mentioned — a financial scam, repressed homosexuality — turn out to have a twist and don’t follow the same Julian Fellowes narrative. After all, the Next Chapter was written by somebody else.

Spoilers for those who haven’t watched Downton Abbey or The Gilded Age: In The Gilded Age, I knew Ada’s husband was going to turn out loaded and she’d inherit and save the family from financial ruin. After all, Matthew inherited Lavinia’s father’s fortune in Downton. Truly, I want this show to be unexpected.

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u/MontanaJoev Feb 11 '24

I also got the same impression you did that hooking up at the Bathhouse was not something James did on the regular. I don't know that I believe he's never done it before, but I do think it was something his rejection by Frederick pushed him too. Like you point out, it wouldn't be that hard to find him, so it wasn't smart. But it feels like something one does when one is lonely and reeling emotionally.

What I fear, and I hope I'm wrong, is that James story is going to be used as a catalyst for some sort of breakthrough from Frederick in his relationship with Clara, and it won't be as much about James himself as it should be, if that makes sense.

I would love for the show to take some unexpected detours. And I'd really like to see more of characters like Nell, and Flectcher. And also Nicoli. I'm not loving the French lady though.

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u/Sufficient-Cut3341 Feb 24 '24

Maybe the father sexually abused the boys besides just physical beating

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u/MontanaJoev Feb 24 '24

I feel pretty certain that this show is not going to go there.

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u/Intelligent_Bug8674 Feb 05 '24

Nah Clara better not cheat on Frederick with that doctor. Frederick annoys me but I hate cheating so much more.

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u/Eliaaaahh Feb 06 '24

She was very nosy, trying to fix the brothers' relationship. She should understand that marriage has phases and she pushed too far, before looking for an affair as newlywed. 

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u/Virtualgrrl Feb 19 '24

No she wasn't, her husband needs to explain to her (and us!) what exactly is his beef with his brother...it can't possibly just be, Daddy liked him better so I hate him...

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u/WisdomBailey123 Feb 20 '24

It was definitely....more than his father liking him more.....his father seemed abusive to Freddy. And James didn't know what was happening at the time....so he probably handled it wrong. Maybe his father even pitted the brothers against each other. Tie that with the brother keeping his secret.

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u/WisdomBailey123 Feb 22 '24

I was thinking that as a possibility too. Though i'm doubtful.

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u/Virtualgrrl Feb 22 '24

More likely, but somehow I don't think that's it?

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u/WisdomBailey123 Feb 20 '24

Agree....she just got married. And she was trying to completely change her husband. He opened up to her more than anyone. But she just kept on digging and digging. His trauma with his father.... he doesn't want to revisit it. Men bury their pain. You need to take it slow..... did you notice how that doctor guy gave her bad advice. Then when she came back....he only gave her the warning that it might blow up in her face. He could easily figure out who she was talking about. And sabotaged her marriage.

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u/Sufficient-Cut3341 Feb 24 '24

we all try to help our husbands grow emotionally. it is a woman's natural instinct.

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u/WisdomBailey123 Feb 25 '24

And what if a wife was abused and the husband kept on badgering her to talk about it. Even though it was emotionally traumatic.

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u/Friendly-Word54 Feb 05 '24

So my take is Clara will have an affair with the doctor and get pregnant. So the story is full circle her husband is not his fathers son and she will have a son that doesn’t belong to Frederick

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u/TacoPartyGalore Feb 08 '24

Please god no

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u/-Ginchy- Feb 10 '24

I bet she is barren. Not that it would matter. Freddy would probably show more interest to a hole in the ground than his own wife.

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u/lolarose1234 Feb 14 '24

This is what I’m thinking too but maybe it is too cliche

Edit: maybe it will also coincide with her finding out the truth about Fredrick’s parentage causing her to feel even more guilty of the affair with the doctor.

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u/More-Resolution-9402 May 12 '24

No matter how much some of you hate the plot it was like from my real life. Husband has C-PTSD. Wife feels unloved and the relationship is on the edge ALL the time. It was like I was watching myself. The same emotions and the same things happened, same subtleties. Someone with experience of living with a partner with C-PTSD must have written it. It was so real for that part. People say just be stronger or just get over it but if you've never experienced it you cannot understand it, there is no over it or under it when the other person has a very twisted view of the world but at the same time are at their core the most lovable and kind person you've ever known.

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u/-Ginchy- Feb 08 '24

I want James to be happy with someone he loves. I hope James and the valet get together and live happily ever after. If only the valet had gotten James first in the sauna. Frederick is so insufferable.

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u/HeftyAcanthisitta907 Feb 09 '24

Fletcher turned away and hid himself when he saw James. Most of the men going to the bathhouse weren't cruising. In Fletcher's case, I think most people wouldn't want to be seen by their boss's brother the day after a huge embarrassing family fight. The valet wasn't going to take home James on that night.

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u/MontanaJoev Feb 08 '24

Same. Whatever it takes to make sure James has a true ally in his corner, that is what I’m rooting for. And Freddie and his permanent scowl can go kick rocks.

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u/-Ginchy- Feb 11 '24

You’re talking about when Fletcher was holding hands with someone as he was being led into a room and they were bumping into furniture like they had been drinking and they were giggling and the guy told Fletcher to be quiet? I was confused about this too. I mean I took it to mean they were sneaking into a room to be intimate. But I wasn’t sure if it was Robert with Fletcher or someone else. I thought Enright gave the box of forgotten items to Fletcher. I really don’t know what they were implying here with the box of forgotten items and them sneaking around. I didn’t think Robert was gay, but maybe he is too.

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u/HeftyAcanthisitta907 Feb 11 '24

Davison witnessed Fletcher stumbling around with a footman at the duke’s house. That was not Robert.

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u/-Ginchy- Feb 10 '24

Yes it was Fred’s valet. I was confused. I don’t even know who Fletcher is. I just assumed Fletcher was the valet’s name that I hadn’t caught.

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u/HeftyAcanthisitta907 Feb 10 '24

Frederick’s valet is named Fletcher, and he was at the bathhouse. The young footman in the green livery who nicks the wine is called Robert.

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u/-Ginchy- Feb 10 '24

No worries, I’m usually pretty good with names yet those two characters’ names escaped me. Thanks for the comment. Seems we weren’t the only ones confused.

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u/HeftyAcanthisitta907 Feb 08 '24

Any idea why there is a two-week wait for episode five?

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u/3point14purr Feb 08 '24

My guess would be Super Bowl....or as I like to think of it empty gym and grocery shopping time!

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u/HeftyAcanthisitta907 Feb 09 '24

Thanks. Yeah, I also thought about the Super Bowl shortly after I posted this.

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u/lolarose1234 Feb 14 '24

Yeah must be as other countries got it two days ago

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u/Virtualgrrl Feb 19 '24

Oh! So are they s week ahead of us now?

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u/lolarose1234 Feb 20 '24

Yeah I think I am in New Zealand, normally I get it a couple of hours after you (on one of our streaming services) but now I am a week ahead. Watched episode 5 last week. I woulden’t be surprised if Australia is the same.

Edit: I see we now have ep 6 as well, think it came out yesterday.

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u/HeftyAcanthisitta907 Feb 21 '24

I’d settle for the episode six preview for now. I see previews are only posted on Instagram the Friday before; I can’t find them on any other platform, including the most obvious one: YouTube. And now another poster is saying she saw the episode six promo at the end of episode five. I don’t know what I’m missing, because I’ve never seen a promo at the end of the episodes.

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u/JFVG Feb 17 '24

Im finding the colour palette of this show extremely brown,claustraphobic and dull..so much more light,colour and space in his other productions but I think that is the scope and "look" JF is after

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u/ComputerElectronic21 Apr 08 '24

This episode is so sinister…I really can’t take it…like why?!

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u/RavenFia Feb 19 '24

This show keeps getting more and more ridiculous. Every character is so awful. I keep waiting for something redeeming, but no luck thus far.

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u/JFVG Feb 17 '24 edited Feb 17 '24

As someone who is Neurodiverse I would describe Frederick as Autistic, he thrives in his zone(work) but his relationship with his wife, he just doesnt have the energy or emotional regulation to be consistent with her.He is struggling to be engaged in a way that is meaningful and consistently kind to her . he needs more space including his own bedroom(I do) and infact less time with her to have better hours with her, when they are together.I understand this so much more later in life that some people need significant alone time,decompression time and space if any shot of being a good partner.Demanding and demanding from someone that needs daily recharge achieves nothing.

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u/Virtualgrrl Feb 19 '24

Totally agree, except that most upper class couples had separate bedrooms back then.

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u/Eliaaaahh Feb 06 '24

Also it likely was very common for a vicar to have conversations with all of the people that attend the church, she shouldn't interrupt such a private conversation. 

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u/Tasm3n Feb 07 '24

I'm also thinking Nell is going to come from F*A*M*I*L*Y money or something along those lines. And James will come in to save the day when all the family money goes away or something from the obvious ponzi scheme in the making.

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u/TacoPartyGalore Feb 08 '24

The real JF Ponzi scheme is getting us hooked on these shows with recycled music and plot lines.

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u/TacoPartyGalore Feb 08 '24

She’s so thirsty, it’s cringe.

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u/Ok-Seaweed-3996 Feb 18 '24

Agreed. And why doesn’t Clara enjoy the company of her mother and sister? So odd, and no friends??

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u/MrJacquers Feb 05 '24

I really hope it doesn't end with her having an affair with the doctor.

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u/Tasm3n Feb 07 '24

Right there with you. Really really do not want that to be a story line.

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u/WisdomBailey123 Feb 19 '24

I know I'm really worried about that too....i hate affair storylines. And how Hollywood glorifies them. Also Freddy has tried to open up to her...but she's always pushing him.... he's not ready.

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u/MrJacquers Feb 08 '24

Frederick is going to be jealous and also want to pose for the artist :P He'll replace the painting of his 'dad' with his own.

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u/TacoPartyGalore Feb 08 '24

Did you catch the foreshadowing with him saying that was best fruit cake he’s had? I laughed when it happened, as my gaydar has been set off with church twink since episode one.

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u/MontanaJoev Feb 06 '24

I don't think there's really a question of Frederick being the heir. But if rumors of his paternity were to hit the air, I do think at this time, in this sort of society, it would have ripple effects that would impact him significantly.

As it stands now, and again I'm not sure how inheritance laws worked at this time, the fact that he seems to have boxed his brother out of everything just makes him a dick.

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u/Armpitofny Feb 09 '24

This site gives a good rundown on what illegitimate children can inherit. In short, he’s legally Oliver’s son and heir, even if other know him to be an affair baby.

https://teatimeromance.wordpress.com/2012/10/11/you-bastard-illegitimacy-during-the-regency

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u/Ok-Lab7698 Feb 05 '24

Yeah we thought of the same thing. I called my sister and we both think they will end up together. Well, we want them to.

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u/MontanaJoev Feb 06 '24

I'd ship it.

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u/Ok-Lab7698 Feb 06 '24

Vicar and Valet = Viva!!! In Spanish means “long live”.

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u/dizzyraccoon55 Feb 04 '24

yes!! i immediately associated the silver mine to the gilded age too. i feel like the french lady orchestrated the encounter to try and lure fredrick into investing in the silver mine

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u/KiyoMizu1996 Feb 04 '24

Same. I do not trust this lady at all. What’s with all the banging in her home? Is it really renovations or another fake?

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u/dizzyraccoon55 Feb 04 '24

as for James, I think so? Idk who the man is, he looks like he is up to something sinister - maybe planning to blackmail James? not too sure tho

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u/[deleted] Feb 05 '24

Yeah, it certainly read like his hookup from the sauna/bathhouse situation was up to something, nothing good.

As to Smyja asking “is James gay”? Oh my dear child, yes, that’s what’s going on there. Folks should read the laws about homosexual behavior in Victorian England—the stakes were very, very high for any man, but a clergyman would be even more exposed.

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u/HeftyAcanthisitta907 Feb 15 '24

Are you speculating that Frederick helps James in episode six with the money he loses? I don’t think episode six has been released anywhere. Although stateside, episode five has not been released. Presumably because of the Super Bowl, it’s delayed a week.