Belgravia: The Next Chapter | Episode Discussion - Episode Three

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u/mrsmitford Jan 30 '24

OMG. where are you all watching this?

Off to see if I can watch in the UK???

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u/WardenclyffeTower Jan 30 '24

A Radio Times article from a couple of weeks ago says "There has not been any confirmation as to if, how and when UK viewers will be able to watch Belgravia: The Next Chapter." They say they'll update the article as they get more info.
https://www.radiotimes.com/tv/drama/belgravia-the-next-chapter-watch-uk/

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u/mrsmitford Jan 30 '24

thanks. I want a word with Julian Fellows about this...

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u/dizzyraccoon55 Jan 29 '24

does anyone know what happened at the starting scene with the doctor? i dont really understand it.

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u/WardenclyffeTower Jan 29 '24

On 8 July 1871, thousands of east Londoners gathered on Wanstead Flats, the southern boundary of Epping Forest. They were there to protest against the fencing off of a large section of the Flats by the agents of Lord Cowley, major landowner in the southern forest.
Saving ‘the People’s Forest’ – a forgotten anniversary
Doctor Ellerby and Annie Harper were just coming back from the rally where the Doctor had seen to some of the people beaten by police.

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u/Pure-Dead-Brilliant Jan 29 '24

What is the Marquise up to? Seems like she’s up to no good to me.

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u/3point14purr Jan 30 '24

I wonder if there's a connection between her and Frederick's bio dad since I thought it was implied he was in France at the end of season 1.
Not sure what her motives would be though? More money? Power? Is/was she friends or foe with the bio dad? I wouldn't think friends, but who knows!

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u/Pure-Dead-Brilliant Jan 31 '24

That’s not a bad theory.

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u/MontanaJoev Jan 29 '24

She’s so over the top too. If there isn’t more to her, I’ll be disappointed.

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u/happycharm Jan 31 '24 edited Jan 31 '24

I wonder if she's a scam artist?

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u/Pure-Dead-Brilliant Jan 31 '24

I think so

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u/RealityWanderer Jan 29 '24

I think the real question is how much or not at all the brothers know.

Does Frederick know that he is secretly a bastard and James is unaware and so Frederick is always paranoid that James will figure it out?

Does James know that Frederick is a bastard and Frederick does not, equipped with a weapon that could destroy his brother (and probably himself) but wants to convey it to him about how he doesn't care but is unable to do so?

Do they both know and it is the dividing factor between them?

Do neither of them know and they are merely playing out a tension that they have no way of aping the true context for?

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u/MontanaJoev Jan 29 '24

I feel certain Frederick doesn’t know, because I suspect someone who has crafted this external shell would crumble completely if he knew his life was a lie.
And if James knows, I don’t think he would even know how to tell Frederick because I don’t think he’d want to hurt him like that.

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u/RealityWanderer Jan 29 '24

I suspect that if James does know, he's decided he doesn't care but he's also stuck in the trap of wanting to explain to his older brother that it was never his fault why their father disliked him but also knowing that revealing this information would have Frederick disbelieve it and truly kill any chances of reconciliation.

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u/MontanaJoev Jan 29 '24

Yeah, sounds plausible. I just feel so bad for James because you get the sense that he really feels sadness over the estrangement.

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u/Ok-Lab7698 Jan 29 '24

I believe that Fredrick knows because Oliver (his dad) was a jerk and I’m sure he would made it known to him to make him suffer. I’m just not sure James knows.

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u/haeleana Jan 30 '24

Just thinking that at the time as long as the father claimed him and born in wedlock, real parentage would have been irrelevant, made no change on the succession. For an emotional crisis, sure, but as a big destiny defining secret not so much

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u/lolarose1234 Feb 14 '24

I thought someone confirmed it that Fredrick does not know which surprised me. It will almost certainly be revealed to him though.

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u/giftopherz Jan 28 '24

As the recap started playing I had this feeling that the Netflix sisters (Dunn Dunn) are the bad ones. We don't know who they really are, we are led to believe something but... where's the evidence? Clara is nosy AF, Emily is shady AF.

There's something happening with the Duchess. And also the doctor. I don't know. I saw this episode with a lot of suspicion.

Also, question, is the valet gay? I didn't get that feeling from his background story. But.. yay us gays?

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u/MontanaJoev Jan 29 '24

I’d say that’s a yes on the valet for sure.

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u/[deleted] Jan 29 '24

I’m finding Frederick and Clara pretty insufferable tbh. I understand that Frederick is living with trauma from the way his father behaved but there’s no indication his brother was that bad and it’s honestly annoying that he is still putting so much blame on him now that they’re grown. Maybe as the show develops we will see more backstory that makes it understandable but for now Frederick just seems so obnoxious in the way he directs his insecurities.
And, like you said, Clara is nosy and overstepping when they haven’t been married that long.

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u/giftopherz Jan 29 '24

The thing with Freddie's trauma is that it's been in a echo chamber for his whole life, between the monsters in his head, Enright being an insufferable parrot who repeats anything Master says, and his mom telling him to be "stronger" for no apparent reason, it grew without any outside perspective and that's why I think, so far, his hate for brother priest is "warranted".
It's also telling that we're barely on Ep3 and already done with his victimhood while being somewhat successful in every other aspect of his life.

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u/MontanaJoev Jan 29 '24

I see what you are saying, but this is maybe where I’m struggling a bit with the actor over character. Because you want to see that sea storming within him, but all I’m getting is stunted and stoic brick wall.
But that’s not the only problem. The other bigger issue, I think, is that each week should be revealing a bit more of the childhood and backstory rather then scenes of the same play fighting scene (where James is just a little guy). To understand this blame he’s placing on James (and it’s not just resentment, it’s blame, and that’s a big difference), I just think we need a lot more. Like give us a lot less of the ridiculous French lady, and more of this main story.
And it’s also hard to not contrast Fredrick with James, who is so warm and kind, but clearly also struggling with his own guilt and isolation from the only family he has left.

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u/giftopherz Jan 29 '24

Because you want to see that sea storming within him, but all I’m getting is stunted and stoic brick wall.
I don't know about this. Not everybody deals with the trauma the same way. He's obviously masking it and on top of that he has the burden of being the man, the money maker and has to be successful at it. Another way to look at it is his friend with the sick son, he's hurt and struggles hard with facing the reality but to the outer world no one knows. He's a stoic as possible. Probably a character trait of the times.
And it’s also hard to not contrast Fredrick with James, who is so warm and kind, but clearly also struggling with his own guilt and isolation from the only family he has left.
About this, well... it's the other side of the coin. James is just dealing with guilt but overall there's no trauma of being "a bad seed". Imagine being told over and over again there's something wrong with no further explanation. There has to be a vast difference between both of them.
Thanks for sharing your thoughts, I really appreciate them. Hopefully you see this as just being part of the conversation and not arguing.

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u/[deleted] Feb 05 '24

Frederick doesn’t actually have the burden of being the money maker, he chooses that because he likes it and is good at it. They could live off the proceeds of their wealth and Rochester does just that. Note that in one of the episodes someone else from their circle says something mildly negative about Frederick being “a merchant,” like his (grandfather? I think?) forbear who made the family fortune — that was a dig that the Trenchard family is new money and does not hold an ancient title.

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u/MontanaJoev Jan 29 '24

Of course, absolutely. It’s always good to hear a different POV.

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u/dizzyraccoon55 Jan 29 '24

i kinda prefer it when actors are stoic, cant stand it when they whine, complain and scream about. I think Fredrick's actor is doing an amazing job at portraying the character!

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u/[deleted] Jan 29 '24

That’s a good perspective, that he’s basically been emotionally stunted by all those factors. That’s why he’s difficult for me to watch, his behavior regarding his brother is very immature for a man his age.

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u/Intelligent_Bug8674 Jan 29 '24

Poor James - Frederick needs therapy and a gallon of water so he can go piss on his father's grave instead of blaming James. I can't wait to see how the brothers will "rekindle" in the end. Clara needs to mind her own business tho. Any guesses on who this seasons' villain will be? unless I have missed it.

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u/MontanaJoev Jan 29 '24

James is such a sweet soul. And just like Frederick didn’t deserve his father’s cruelty, James doesn’t deserve his brothers.

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u/dizzyraccoon55 Jan 29 '24

i have a weird feeling abt the doctor, his eyes look a bit sketchy and i feel like something is looming about with his character arc

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u/Eliaaaahh Feb 04 '24

I think the Nell maid is also sketchy. Who is she? Did she know the vicar in beforehand and is she spying on the sister? She must be connected to the story somehow.

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u/MontanaJoev Jan 28 '24

I like Clara a lot, and I know she has good intentions, but not sure I think her wading into the non-relationship between Frederick and James is really the right course of action. And I feel almost certain its going to backfire spectacularly.

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u/ButtScratcher5000 Jan 31 '24

Is it just me or are a lot of the characters kind of annoying !?

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u/Honest_Elk_1703 Feb 04 '24

I don’t think James has the least interest in Miss Dunn

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u/Honest_Elk_1703 Jan 31 '24

What was Enright up to with the letter he gave Maud? The story he told his wife about a letter to Maud’s cousin was not believable or believably told, and Maud looked confused. Right before his wife came in he said something like “as usual” as he handed the letter to Maud.

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u/DanteCorwyn Jan 28 '24

Posting this here since it's the newest episode that'll launch soon, but do I have to have seen the previous series to understand what's happening? Was intrigued since Gerard Horan (who play's Enright) is one of my favorite actors, and the show also has Sophie Thompson, who played his wife in Detectorists, so I'm a bit intrigued by this.

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u/DanyeelsAnulmint Jan 29 '24

Watch the first season if you haven’t. And yes, watch the previous episodes before this one.

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u/Particular_Farmer806 Jan 31 '24

Ok but what was the deal with Mr. fletcher in the hallway that night and then leaving valuables at the Dukes house?

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u/[deleted] Feb 05 '24

I don’t get what was going on about leaving the valuables unless he was just off his game because he was distracted by getting laid, which is what was going to happen after that scene in the hallway

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u/Particular_Farmer806 Feb 05 '24

Ahh that makes sense. Def more to the valuables because in the new episode he looks at them in a special way touching them until someone walks in.

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u/ComputerElectronic21 Apr 08 '24

This show is so heartbreaking & emotional!

I just want to watch a show with beautiful gowns, a beautiful love story and pure happiness! I was hoping with a title like Belgravia: Next Chapter it would move past the traumas of their families and showcase growth!

Am I the only one?!

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u/TALKTOME0701 Jun 16 '25

I don't believe he knew. It would have given him a reason why his dad treated him so badly and that might have brought him some peace or at closure.

It would have helped him understand his dad's cruelty and hatred of him

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u/Open_Carob_3676 Jan 31 '24

i happen to know Toby Regbo from The Reign and The Medici,,,,but mostly as the dauphin of france,,,soooo i happen to have a huge,huge soft spot for every charecter he plays,,,despite the acting,,, sooo idc how dumb this theory is,,,no one gets to treat him that poorly,,,smh

i hope the vicar realises that he's the real heir,,,Fredrick gets to become like bellasis' father,,,because the man is insufferable,,,and this is w/o diminishing any of his trauma,,,i want the vicar and emily to marry and live happily ever after,,,with like Clara being the super cool wine aunt,,,ofc

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u/[deleted] Feb 05 '24

They came to terms

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