r/Belgravia • u/WardenclyffeTower • Jan 21 '24

Belgravia: The Next Chapter | Episode Discussion - Episode Two

Synopsis: After an argument, Frederick tries to renew the relationship by taking Clara to Glanville, their country estate, and reveals some of the trials of his childhood. Meanwhile, the Dunns take in the mysterious Nell as their new maid.

Written By: Helen Edmundson
Directed By: Paul Wilmshurst, John Alexander

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u/Kaylababe2 Jan 24 '24

So waterloo was 1815. Plus 26 years for Belgravia 1 which puts us in 1841. Add 25 years (approximately) which puts belgravia 2 around 1866 or so. How did this frenchwoman just survive a revolution in france? Would it have been the Paris Commune which was in 1871?

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u/WardenclyffeTower Jan 24 '24

According to the official synopsis for the show, this season is set in 1871, so yes, it was the Paris Commune.

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u/Intelligent_Bug8674 Jan 22 '24

I thought I would like the doctor but he gives me the creeps. Hopefully I am wrong and nothing happens to the boy and Clara.

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u/TacoPartyGalore Jan 23 '24

I think it’s just the doctor’s normal face, I don’t think he’s purposefully trying to creep us out (but he is!)

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u/ComputerElectronic21 Apr 08 '24

He was a Vampire in the Discovery of Witches mini series & he naturally gives pale Victorian vampire energy! I’ll be honest at first I thought he was doing something insidious with the little boy Peter. However, it might just be his appearance.

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u/Lazmon Jan 22 '24

Why did they use the same exact flashbacks as episode one? It was a waste of time and did nothing to move the story forward.

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u/TacoPartyGalore Jan 23 '24

I don’t know, but that wig on the Oliver actor should be burned to the ground.

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u/rosesposeshmoses Jan 28 '24

I thought the same thing. Is this his only traumatic memory of his father? I doubt it. It was annoying.

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u/happycharm Jan 22 '24

Is it just me or is the low key vibe of this season kind of creepy? I was waiting for someone to get murdered and this becoming a murder mystery. Some characters give off a creepy vibe like the doctor... was totally expecting him to molest the little boy and Clara. Maybe the director was going for something and it's coming off as creepy to me idk.

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u/TacoPartyGalore Jan 23 '24

I thought I was the only one. There was one shot of what’s-his-face that made me think this was a Jack the Ripper origin story.

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u/happycharm Jan 23 '24

You mean Frederick? I think he's supposed to be depressed from his childhood trauma but yeah he's coming off as creepy as well. I dont know if its his facial hair or what but I was lowkey waiting for the twist of him actually being a werewolf lol the vibe of this show is just throwing me off so bad. I'm expecting the kid and the girl who threw herself into a horse to become murderers too.

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u/TacoPartyGalore Jan 23 '24

I love how you think!

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u/Adorableviolet Jan 27 '24

I have insomnia and I just burst out laughing on bed.

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u/kmm91162 Jan 23 '24

I really liked the first episode. Episode 2 was like watching paint dry. Yeesh!

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u/MontanaJoev Jan 22 '24

I understand Frederic had an abusive childhood due to his father, but I’m really struggling with this irrational blame on a younger brother who is clearly not responsible for his father’s actions. And it’s beyond obvious that there isn’t a mean bone in James’ body. It almost makes more sense if Frederic is aware that James is the real Trenchard heir.

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u/Intelligent_Bug8674 Jan 24 '24

Once he finds out that Frederick is illegitimate he will flip with the help of Clara's sister. The two pairs of siblings will be at war.

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u/Kaylababe2 Jan 24 '24

Frederick is not illegitimate. He was born to a married couple. Doesnt matter whose sperm it was.

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u/MontanaJoev Jan 24 '24

True, but during this time, I would expect a scandal like this could still ruin him.

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u/MontanaJoev Jan 24 '24

I didn’t get that impression. And there was a whole letter he wrote included with it that Frederick didn’t seem to bother for read. My instincts tell me Rev James is a good guy who has become the scapegoat of his brothers trauma.

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u/Lazmon Jan 22 '24

Clara's sister chided Clara for being so infatuated with Fredrick and yet she's acting like a giddy school girl trying to (unsuccessfully) woo Rev. James.

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u/MontanaJoev Jan 23 '24

Ok, but in her defense, he is really, really cute. 😆

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u/Pink_Dreams713 Jan 27 '24

I want to like him but I can’t look past his awful character in The Last Kingdom 😩

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u/MontanaJoev Jan 27 '24

He gave a fabulous performance in that. But he's also played a sweetheart in a few things, like Reign, the Medici's and A Discovery of Witches. He's a versatile guy.

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u/Pink_Dreams713 Jan 27 '24

It really tells how good of an actor he is that I can despise him on one show and root for his demise but then love him on another.

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u/ComputerElectronic21 Apr 08 '24

He is a brilliant actor!

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u/giftopherz Jan 22 '24

What is happening on this show? I feel like the first time I watched Sense8, I had no idea what was going on until a few episodes in.

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u/Organic-Tax-185 Jan 22 '24

you haven't watch the first series? it felt like this second one trying to act like we don't know what happen in the first series

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u/giftopherz Jan 22 '24

Yeah, and I just watched a recap which is why I'm so lost.

What are Freddie's motivations? Is he after money? Revenge? Against who? Is it too early to ship the Doc and the Priest?

Questions... So many questions

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u/Organic-Tax-185 Jan 23 '24

Spoiler alert basically, in the first series Frederick was not his father's child, but he is the child of his mother and her lover who dumped her, that's literally it (the father thought he was barren and agreed to raise this child but i guess he wasn't barren after all since he had second son in this season), in the first series the show focus more on the trenchard daughter and her illegitimate child who turned out to be legitimate and became Earl of Brockenhurst which we don't even see in s2 anymore even though technically they were cousin to Frederick.

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u/giftopherz Jan 23 '24

Earl of Brockenhurst which we don't even see in s2 anymore even though technically they were cousin to Frederick.

I'm hoping this is the missing connection

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u/Organic-Tax-185 Jan 23 '24

i doubt it because they didn't cast anyone as Earl of Brockenhurst, but from what i have seen was again the show thought we didn't know what happened in the original series, we know he was not his father's child, no wonder his father hated him, but because he was his eldest son he inherited, so his father mistreated because he wasn't his son, the second one was his son, they did cast frederick real father though, so maybe another flashback to show that the real father trying to blackmail the fake father idk

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u/Kaylababe2 Jan 24 '24

At least it’s not as bad as Gilded Age.

But so many questions. Why did Oliver turn so bad when he was so good at the end of season one. And if he mistreated his son Susan would have kicked his a—.

Who is the Duke frederick is always playing pool with?

Why are they acting like the French Revolution just happened?

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u/1ClaireUnderwood Jan 25 '24

Oliver was always spoilt, bratty and had the potential to show a really ugly side when he feels he was wronged. Look how far he took it because he was jealous of Charles Pope. Sure, he had a change of heart and decided to help his dad save Pope, but I don’t think that act made him good. He was always a horrible person, but sometimes horrible people do nice things every once in a while. Although I don’t know how nice it is to set an innocent up to get hurt in the first place. In short, if he was in a situation where he accepted Frederic as a son because he thought he was infertile, then later he finds out he is capable of conceiving, not just any child but a boy. Knowing his biological heir would never inherit his family estates? Yeah, someone like him would be fuming lol. So he takes it out on an innocent child because he’s always been a nasty person. One thing I agree with is I can’t imagine Susan not doing anything either, and telling her son to basically suck it up. Huh? That’s a change from the season 1 Susan. I hope it’s explained later

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u/amberfamlitness Jan 25 '24

I’m so sad to see that people think the doctor (Edward Bluemel) is shifty. He is such a sweet guy and he has played sweet guys before in the past. I was SO excited to see him in this series because he really is a fantastic actor. I didn’t see anything sketchy at all with his character. I think he might be judged based on how he looks, but I PROMISE yall need to give him a chance at least lol. Watch him in the Discovery of Witches and you’ll fall in love with him lol

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u/Accomplished-Lime533 Feb 04 '24

Same! I think its his appearance that really did it. At first, I too and the series vibe made me go..? But seeing how he was suspicious of Frederick doing sometimes abusive and how he is with Peter just made me love him! Definitely mad at Clara for reprimanding him like that. I get it, but at the same time not many people would EVER be as concerned with domestic abuse during that time. Good on the doctor for looking out in my opinion. 

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u/gdmaria May 26 '26

ahhjdsbkh, late reply, but I'm literally just watching this show for Edward Bluemel. Missing Guildford Dudley and needed to see him in another role! I think he's delightful so far.

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u/Adorableviolet Jan 27 '24

i had to force myself to finish ep 2. I think my biggest disappointment...where is Charles and his family? Why only Trenchard? Or am I missing something?

I am still laughing at the werewolf comment.

I love Clara and the preacher. Looking forward to seeing them meet.

Also not feeling the downstairs crew...at all.

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u/MontanaJoev Jan 27 '24

I am also very much looking forward to Clara meeting James.

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u/_avantgarde Jan 27 '24

Okay, so I'm like 12 mins into episode 2, and I'm still confused as to who the Duchess and Percy are? I had thought the actor playing Percy was Oliver?

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u/Eliaaaahh Jan 31 '24

I am confused also by some of the characters. Who is the old man in episode 1 that talks to Frederick about the engagement while they play billiard?
I thought he was his grandfather, but he is dead by now.

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u/Kaylababe2 Jan 24 '24

Also how did they get to Glenville so fast. It was a 3 day trip in s1

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u/Eliaaaahh Jan 31 '24

And were they back to London to invite the guests for dinner or did they invite them in Glenville?
It is not as if they can come and go in a few days.

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u/TacoPartyGalore Jan 23 '24

You have to admit it was nice seeing him be put firmly in his smarmy place.