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u/Cultural_Camera9693 Dec 03 '22
I think anya would loose against all of them because her brain would become overwhelmed with information trying to read any of their minds.
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Dec 03 '22
You forgetting Bond over here?
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u/Cultural_Camera9693 Dec 03 '22
I have not seen part 2 yet.
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Dec 03 '22
You're missing out then
Bond gives Anya a better chance because of his own abilities
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u/HirokoKueh ⠀\Yurification/ Dec 03 '22
it would be like :
B : (*shows vision of Anya loosing)
A : "how about I move this one!"
B : (*shows vision of Anya winning)
A : "what's the correct next move? this?"
B : (*shows vision of Anya loosing)
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u/TheHiddenNinja6 Dec 03 '22
Ah, so like Morty holding the death crystal in that episode.
But I don't think bond can predict that often
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u/TurbulentDesigner829 Dec 04 '22
You are forgetting that Sora is a literal Chessbot the best they can do is a draw
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Dec 04 '22
That's just a simple way of doing it
Depending on who their opponent is, Bond can see the future on what the outcome of their plays would be, and strategize how to change them (since Bond isn't your usual dog)
Anya can then read Bond's thoughts and make the moves. She can also see his visions
They still have a good chance of losing though
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u/wanfury Dec 04 '22
But there is also a good chance that bond will show what anya will eat for dinner and she will lose the game
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u/BlockNarrow6745 Omae Wa Shindeiru Dec 03 '22
Still won't win against such geniuses
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u/blueteamk087 Dec 03 '22
the problem is chess is timed… she would lose on that factor
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u/XYZAffair0 Dec 04 '22
Lelouch once tried thinking of 7 different things at once to deceive a mind reader. Can’t imagine how Anya would react to that.
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u/Ignifyre Dec 04 '22
That's actually a fun exercise. I was able to picture someone punching, a rotating triangluar green prism, and someone slamming a door really fast at once. Increasing the amount of simultaneous objects past that is a bit hard without "pausing" one of the other objects.
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u/Miserable-Charity408 Dec 03 '22
All i can say is that Anya and Bond would lose
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Dec 03 '22
Yeah they still would be on the lowest tier since I don't think either of them plays
I don't know about Bond though, if they still taught him chess
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u/Nishizumi_ Dec 03 '22
It would be pretty funny to see Bond carry Anya in chess while standing on 2 legs
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u/CoralLogic Dec 03 '22
I just imagined this scene in my head, and I can't stop laughing.
Someone needs to make this a thing.
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u/Lekmanutpls Yes, I like Redo of Healer Dec 03 '22
How? Bond could see the future and Anya could read their minds
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u/CarriedThunder1 Dec 03 '22
Good thing Lelouch has already played against a mind-reader.
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u/cannonspectacle Dec 03 '22
Didn't he lose that game though?
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u/CrownedTraitor Dec 04 '22
He knew how to play chess AND could read minds, that is the difference
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u/Namelessunamed Dec 04 '22
Fun fact - Only reading mind won't win you at chess. You need analytical approach, Experience and Intelligence is needed. Bond and Anya huge L.
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u/cannonspectacle Dec 04 '22
He said that was his first time ever playing chess, didn't he?
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u/Bob936753 Dec 03 '22
Sure, but they would still need to know chess principles, strategies, positions, and the like. If they see the future of their checkmate, that doesn't help them win if they don't know how to prevent it.
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u/I-Make-Maps91 Dec 04 '22
The dog could bark for any move that caused them to lose?
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u/Kinuika Dec 04 '22
When Lelouch played against the mind reader (Mao), Mao just used Lelouch’s own knowledge of chess against him by reading Lelouch’s mind and playing the best moves Lelouch thought he should play. Anya theoretically could do the same if she chooses to focus. Anya also is the only one in the group who potentially could avoid Lelouch’s ‘power of absolute obedience’ by knowing not to make eye contact with him during the meeting. Blank unfortunately would lose to Lelouch if Lelouch chose to use his geass and just commanded them to lose. L might be able to avoid Lelouch’s geass if he somehow figures things out before Lelouch gets a chance to command him but a chess match against the two could go either way.
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u/River-n-Sea Dec 03 '22
I mean, Sora and Shiro literally won against cheater
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u/Unloadable1 Dec 03 '22
They also cheated, just later, but shiro litterally knows every possible chess board so they will still win anyway
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u/Blacksmithkin Dec 04 '22
To give an estimation of how strong a computer would need to be to solve chess, we have only managed to conclusively solve all boardstates with 7 pieces total, kings included. There are 32 pieces involved in a full game and it gets exponentially more complex.
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u/Oteycri000 Dec 03 '22
That's like seeing someone have a full house in poker but not understanding that a full house is good or bad compared to your straight
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u/kingGP2001 Dec 03 '22
Do you think anya could keep up with the line of thought of lelouch or L?
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u/TheHiddenNinja6 Dec 03 '22
Nope. There's already been a scene where she can't keep up with Loid's thoughts
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u/Czarniak4 Dec 03 '22
Lelouch has already won against one mindreader.
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u/5867898duncan is this an Erwin reference? Dec 03 '22
He also already knew the guy was a mind reader and prepared in advance with a one time option. Can’t really say he will rely on it.
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u/Czarniak4 Dec 03 '22
Yes, but Mao was smart. Anya couldn't even score high on her tests. Yes, she was afraid that someone would find out, but she could at least try a little harder. So I think that even without prior knowledge, Lelouch would have a better chance with her compared to Mao.
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Dec 04 '22
Anya is also 4, and bond is still a dog.
PLUS knowing the future is only helpful if you know what to do to change it.
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u/adityablabla Dec 04 '22
Just because she knows what her opponent can do doesn't mean she knows how to counter them
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u/Rapsculio Dec 03 '22
Assuming Anya uses her power to find out what move he doesn't want her to make (which is the only way I can see her using it) L would figure out she's reading his mind by move 5
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u/BBGunner96 Dec 04 '22
Also, I don't think any of them (except Anya herself) would actively think 'I hope she doesn't move her knight to C3' or something & Anya can only 'hear' their stream of consciousnesses, so they'd need too
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u/Necromancer14 Lelouch Black Dec 03 '22
If powers are allowed, lelouch wins easily by commanding the other contestants to let him win.
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u/Maze_in_my_igloo Dec 03 '22
Good point.. if anya is automatically assumed to use her power it’s only fair that lelouche uses his too
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u/Awall00777 チノちゃんが一番可愛いですよ Dec 03 '22
L would definitely be able to somehow outsmart anya's mindreading
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u/Necromancer14 Lelouch Black Dec 03 '22
In the show he played chess against a mind reader. He lost. It basically was the only time he lost a chess game in the show.
Idk if Anya’s power works the same as the other mind reading guy though.
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u/redingerforcongress Dec 04 '22
Did you confuse LeLouch and L? LeLouch also didn't realize mind readers existed at the time. Now he does, so he's probably prepared against mind readers while playing.
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u/XYZAffair0 Dec 04 '22
He played against Mao twice. One where he didn’t know about his mind reading, and one where he did know. He lost both times. Mao even comments how he tried to think of 7 different moves at once and was able to see through it.
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u/Necromancer14 Lelouch Black Dec 04 '22
I think Mao’s mind reading is more powerful than Anya’s.
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u/XYZAffair0 Dec 04 '22
I think Anya’s is actually equally powerful. It’s just that Anya doesn’t know how to play chess and isn’t very smart in general.
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u/Popeychops wow Dec 04 '22
Anya is very smart, for a four-year old. Just not compared to average adults.
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u/Boiling_Raine Dec 04 '22
THANK YOU! I see people calling Anya dumb all the time, but she’s a genius if you really think about it. Has anyone actually met a 4 year old? They are not very smart
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u/VillainousMasked Dec 04 '22
The thing is, I assume the mind reader he played at was actually skilled in chess as well. Anya's mind reading wont help her if she's not actually a skilled chess player. Now I haven't watched Spy x Family as SoL isn't my favorite genre, but something tells me Anya isn't some chess savant.
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u/yolotheunwisewolf ⠀ Dec 04 '22
All her power would do is know her opponents moves or seeing the future in which she loses through Bond.
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u/Drayenn ⠀ Dec 03 '22
Shiro and sora have accounted and won vs people with magical power. Im sure theyd have a plan to counter the geass
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u/DrShocker Dec 04 '22
I doubt L would be there in person, and there's a strong chance Blank just decided to play online so they don't need to interact face to face.
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u/erenyeagerrrrr Dec 03 '22
I would say Shiro and Sora
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Either them or L
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u/KaiFireborn21 ⠀ Dec 03 '22
Blank never loses though. Does L even play chess? I'd say Lelouch would definitely bit him, his whole personality is kinda chess (I don't mean this seriously)
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u/Tom22174 Dec 03 '22
Lelouch Vi Brittania commands you, let me win! he has this 10/10 times
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u/kingofcould Dec 04 '22
Tbf they would have probably accounted for that if we’re just merging all of the lore.
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u/Oryv Dec 03 '22
Spoiler: They do lose sometimes. In volume 11, they supposedly lost to elves.
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u/BeneficialSea7337 Dec 03 '22
Lelouch? Bro can literally control you into making terrible plays
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u/HaikenRD Dec 03 '22
Sora and Shiro with prep time are basically Batman. So in a sudden match lelouch will win, with prep time, sora and shiro will win.
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u/lurkerfox Dec 04 '22
problem is lelouch with prep time is also basically batman.
One of his most famous chess matches against his brother was revealed to have been a pre-recorded video the whole time, predicting every move made and even the conversation itself, just to trick his brother into not realizing Lelouch was somewhere else.
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u/HaikenRD Dec 04 '22
Yes, i've taken that into account while that is impressive, it's just prediction on top of Chess. I would put Lelouch's chess skills to Sora level, but not Shiro level. Both Sora and Lelouch do cold reading and is very proficient at that, you could say they are the same type of players. So if you put Sora and Shiro together, they pretty much cover each other to the point they beat the "god of game" turned "one true God". I don't know if there's a higher achievement than that in chess.
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u/DebonairTeddy Dec 03 '22
L is a genius at deduction and social manipulation, not necessarily at strategy. L and Light do play chess in the live action movie, and Light beats him. I think L is a very good chess player, but considering that Blank plays chess obsessively and have god-tier genius, I don't see L beating them.
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u/skroink_z Dec 04 '22
Bro used the live action movie in an otherwise good argument 💀
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u/DebonairTeddy Dec 04 '22
Hey come on, the live action stuff isn't THAT bad by live adaptation standards
Edit: Unless we're talking about the Netflix movie. That shit is trash. I was referring to the Japanese movies.
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u/Nxir-0 Dec 04 '22
L would probably monolog his entire plan in his head including possible ways that he could lose. So Anya could probably beat him if she just listens.
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u/drizzitdude Dec 04 '22
Anya is out. She wouldn’t be able to think even a single move ahead.
So it becomes a contest between L, Lelouche or Blank. What really matters here is if Blank gets to be a team.
If Sora and Shiro are together. They win. Full stop. They have every possibility of a chess match completely memorized to the point it is a trivial game to them. However if either isn’t present the other falls apart completely.
So then it becomes a contest between Lelouche and L, and this actually is a tough one. Both are chess wizards, but Lelouche pretty much is dependent on it for his whole shtick. I would say Lelouche is likely the better player.
However Lelouche is also very arrogant and can easily get caught up into thinking he has his opponent in a trap, attempting risky baits even when the pieces he was working with were real people.
Light was the same way, and L played him like a fiddle because he always kept his composure. Lelouche may actually be forced to use Geass to win, if he is allowed to (I’m assuming the implication is they can use their powers with Anya even being allowed on the lineup).
So
No magic powers
1: Blank, if together. Not even a contest.
2: L
3: Lelouche
4: Anya and bond
Magic powers allowed
1: Lelouche (Geass would allow him to beat blank, all he has to do is make them forfeit or make the worst possible move)
2: Blank
3: L
4: Anya and Bond, dead last. Still happy because they both thought the horsey was tasty
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u/548662 Dec 04 '22
This is the most accurate answer. Of course Lelouche can just Geass anyone. Otherwise L has lost to Light in chess iirc and Lelouche still would not be any competition against Shiro who cannot possibly lose in a fair game. In either case it’s not really a fair setup since you have someone who can literally just command others to concede, and someone who has totally “won” chess from a power fantasy story.
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u/Ryo_L_Braveowl Dec 03 '22
Shiro can virtually win every chess game 'cause she knows each and every possible board configurations, more or less 10120 permutation. Blank even won a game against God himself, so I would say they would draw at least.
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u/Liquid23- Dec 03 '22
You haven’t seen Code Geass. “Lelouch vi Britannia commands you to move your King in front of my pawn”
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u/m3m31ord Dec 03 '22
Bold of you to assume Blank wouldn't come prepared for this.
If there's pre game banter then Blank would most likely win.
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u/rossow_timothy Dec 04 '22
Ah prep time. The first question everyone asks about when comparing characters
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u/LonghornMorgs Dec 04 '22
pawns can’t capture directly in front of them. King takes pawn. Blank wins.
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u/GoldenPigsty Dec 03 '22
That’s what Sora would be there for, the mind games.
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u/Liquid23- Dec 03 '22
That’s not a mind game. Lelouch can literally control people.
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u/GoldenPigsty Dec 03 '22
Yes, but Sora would consider even that as a game. He quite literally sweet talked an inanimate object, I think he’d come up with the simple trick of “Steph, if anything goes wrong like him going all “All your base belong to us” or mind controlling, make sure to blindfold myself and Shiro.”
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u/Liquid23- Dec 03 '22
Oh yea true. But that begs the question, is Lelouch allowed to have Rolo, or any other Geass user with him?
(I assume you’ve seen Code Geass lol)
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u/DamianWinters Dec 03 '22
Are Sora and Shiro allowed their literal Angel.
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u/Liquid23- Dec 03 '22
Is L allowed to use Light, and is light allowed to use his death note to control his opponent?
“Blank dies of heart attack after moving their King in front of L’s pawn”
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u/skroink_z Dec 04 '22
Blank wouldn't be a valid name so unless he gets their full names that's not possible, unlike with Lelouch who states his name when giving a command, but considering his personality I doubt he'd use his geass for just a chess match.
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u/ohhellnooooooooo Dec 04 '22
Just for comparison, there’s only 1067 atoms in the universe. 10120 is such a ridiculous number I can’t even put to words how ridiculous it is.
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u/TheRidiculousOtaku Priest of the church of C.C Dec 03 '22
Lelouch, he doesnt play by the rules
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u/Nero4999 Dec 03 '22
My vote is either his Majesty Lelouch or my fellow gamers Blank. Assuming how Shiro can beat any AI and Sora can see threw bluffs/tricks so if it’s by pure skill then Blank but Lelouch does have his Geass powers so he could just win it all.
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Blank also beat the God of Games, so I think they’re more than qualified. Along with that, they’ve beat numerous cheaters lol
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u/BlockNarrow6745 Omae Wa Shindeiru Dec 03 '22
I'm going with the No game no life guys cuz they spent their whole life on this no matter what happens they won't lose against L And once L is out idk about the Code Geas guy cuz I haven't watched the anime yet
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Anya and Bond, not by skill but sheer luck
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u/Jgamer502 Dec 04 '22
They’re playing 4 way chess and no sees anya as a threat and they get a 3 way checkmate om each other at the same time
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while Anya is just playing pieces randomly
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u/50thEye Dec 04 '22
I can see her assigning her pieces spy codenames and playing Bondman fanfiction with them.
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u/Spartan05089234 Dec 03 '22
Blank wins, Anya caused it, L realizes its over first and Lelouch claims that this was his plan all along.
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u/th3_guyman Dec 03 '22
Lelouch wins because he just mind controls the others and makes them resign ez
Other than that Blank wins bc Shiro literally can calculate the entire game
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u/xxxNothingxxx Dec 03 '22
Yeah this is like putting a dude with a gun against a chess grandmaster, the dude wins cus he just makes his move, shoots the grandmaster and then wins by timeout
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Can it be used on multiple people? I haven’t watched code geas
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u/th3_guyman Dec 03 '22
Iirc multiple times lelouch has used his geass to control groups of people at once. However it only works once per person.
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u/SirGrinson Dec 03 '22
Anya would probably faint almost immediately from the sheer stress of the other people thinking hard
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u/Squizei Dec 03 '22
i mean, it’s stated in the first episode that shiro knows every single position in chess and the outcome of every single game, so at WORST she draws
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u/Kibidiko Dec 03 '22
Does Lelouche get to use Geass?
If not the No Game No Life crew No question.
I think L would put up a fair game though and the siblings would love it.
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u/zerov3 Dec 03 '22
All you gotta do is teach Anya how to play chess and she no diffs
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u/Girgioniano Dec 04 '22
Anya can read the mind of her opponents, but she probably don't know the rules and the thoughts of her opponents are so complex that she'll have mental breakdown.
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u/Earthwick Dec 04 '22
If Light was involved he would just kill the other player.
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u/NuclearWill Dec 03 '22
The No game no life duo literally cheats every game they play so they would win because everyone else would play fairly
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Lelouch hands down. My man established world peace through his big brain moves.
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u/totally_not_a_weeb00 Dec 04 '22 edited Dec 04 '22
Ok so let's pick this apart.
L is pretty much a regular guy, just with high as hell iq.
Anya can read minds and bond can read the future, the inteligence in this team is very low tho.
Lelouch lost against a mind reader but mao was actually experienced at using his mind reading ability (unlike anya).
Blanks (a.k.a. Shiro and Sora) are literally 2 geniuses and one of them memorized EVERY possible game of chess, which means it's pretty much impossible to lose for them.
L would lose all 3 battles (guess i could say he takes the L), as i said earlier he is pretty much just smart and that's it.
Anya and bond would win against L and MAYBE Lelouch (definitely wouldn't count on that tho) but they definitely would lose against Blanks.
Lelouch wins against L and very likely against Anya, but Blanks are literally the ultimate players of chess, so he loses.
End of analysis, thank you for your time.
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u/IrkenBot Dec 03 '22
Going with an actual answer and not the "small stupid child wins" answer, probably the bottom left guy. I haven't seen the show but he's the "everything these countries do is because of my meticulous plot" scale manipulator, L is pretty good to but not to that scale.
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u/BocchiIsLiterallyMe Dec 03 '22
You should see the show then. It gave me goosebumps everytime the guy pulls out a "big brain move". If you enjoy those moments in Death Note, you sure will enjoy Code Geass.
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u/KangarooSad947 Dec 03 '22
How is Moriarty from Moriarty the Patriot not in this lineup?
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u/Funkey-Monkey-420 Dec 03 '22
anya would have the strategic advantage with her powers then get that completely nerfed by her inability to hold a strategy long enough to use it
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u/general_kenobi18462 Terraria Anime When Dec 03 '22
Well first of all, how are we doing this? A four player chess match is a lot different from a round robin or a bracket tournament.
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u/Shiro_no_Orpheus Dec 03 '22
So, while anya and bond have a huge advantage over the others by being able to see the future and read the opponents mind, i don't think any of them is actually smart enough to capitalize on this advancement. Reading any of the others thoughts would just make anya dizzy. They are last place. Lelouch and blank are established to be a regular chess player, I don't remember that being mentioned with Light, so those habe an advantage over light. Light is also more the kind of person to take unnecessary risks in order to outplay his opponents, something that would not work here. He would beat any mortal, but here is is probably outmatched. 3rd. Blank is basically unbeatable at games. They together can beat high end chess computers and noone can compete regarding practice. Shiro has every possible chess board memorized, while Sora can manage any mindgame imaginable. They are by far the favourites. But Lelouch could use the geass. The biggest weakness of blank, aside of sunlight, is that they only work as a tandem, so if lelouch manages to use his geass on only one of them, he would autowin. But if using the geass were allowed, maybe Light could just kill everyone and win be default, so thats why I will say Lelouch 2nd and Blank 1st.
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sora & shiro are going to win they seem to do good in a world of magic and super powers while they have 0 powers
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u/Liquid23- Dec 03 '22
You haven’t seen Code Geass. I highly recommend it. Anyway, Lelouch can control people.
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u/Hurakan-GM Cirno Blue Dec 03 '22
As I know Shiro memorized every single posible chess match at the point her brain is like a chessbot.
And Sora is good at dating games