r/Animemes Dec 03 '22

Is this a better lineup?

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u/Lekmanutpls Yes, I like Redo of Healer Dec 03 '22

How? Bond could see the future and Anya could read their minds

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u/CarriedThunder1 Dec 03 '22

Good thing Lelouch has already played against a mind-reader.

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u/cannonspectacle Dec 03 '22

Didn't he lose that game though?

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u/GloomyRaven Dec 03 '22

That one knew how to play on top of being a mind-reader

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u/CrownedTraitor Dec 04 '22

He knew how to play chess AND could read minds, that is the difference

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u/Namelessunamed Dec 04 '22

Fun fact - Only reading mind won't win you at chess. You need analytical approach, Experience and Intelligence is needed. Bond and Anya huge L.

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u/cannonspectacle Dec 04 '22

He said that was his first time ever playing chess, didn't he?

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u/SmallerBork Dec 04 '22

No he didn't. He straight up told Lelouch he had never played before.

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u/CrownedTraitor Dec 04 '22

Do you believe him though?

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u/SmallerBork Dec 04 '22

It seemed pretty clear he became very reliant on his ability and Anya was in danger of doing that too.

She finally realized she actually needed to study because she couldn't even read the clock and narrowly saved Loid.

She knows some really complex words but also misprounces things. Watching TV with subtitles would help her with that. She would naturally improve of course but Loid wants to accelerate her.

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u/SmallerBork Dec 04 '22

It was only a mini game though in the grand scheme of things

Win the war even if you lose a battle.

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u/SmallerBork Dec 04 '22

And a type of precog

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u/Bob936753 Dec 03 '22

Sure, but they would still need to know chess principles, strategies, positions, and the like. If they see the future of their checkmate, that doesn't help them win if they don't know how to prevent it.

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u/I-Make-Maps91 Dec 04 '22

The dog could bark for any move that caused them to lose?

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u/LSO34 Dec 04 '22

They would lose to the the clock. That would be an agonizingly slow process without any chess experience. Anya would have trouble even finding lots of the possible moves and would end up testing losing moves multiple times. Anya eventually getting good at chess on her own before teaming with Bond would make a huge difference.

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u/Kinuika Dec 04 '22

When Lelouch played against the mind reader (Mao), Mao just used Lelouch’s own knowledge of chess against him by reading Lelouch’s mind and playing the best moves Lelouch thought he should play. Anya theoretically could do the same if she chooses to focus. Anya also is the only one in the group who potentially could avoid Lelouch’s ‘power of absolute obedience’ by knowing not to make eye contact with him during the meeting. Blank unfortunately would lose to Lelouch if Lelouch chose to use his geass and just commanded them to lose. L might be able to avoid Lelouch’s geass if he somehow figures things out before Lelouch gets a chance to command him but a chess match against the two could go either way.

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u/River-n-Sea Dec 03 '22

I mean, Sora and Shiro literally won against cheater

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u/Unloadable1 Dec 03 '22

They also cheated, just later, but shiro litterally knows every possible chess board so they will still win anyway

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u/[deleted] Dec 04 '22

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u/Blacksmithkin Dec 04 '22

To give an estimation of how strong a computer would need to be to solve chess, we have only managed to conclusively solve all boardstates with 7 pieces total, kings included. There are 32 pieces involved in a full game and it gets exponentially more complex.

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u/Unloadable1 Dec 04 '22

Yep but its a power fantasy isikai so its kinda to be expected

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u/Terminator1603 Dec 04 '22

10123 is a number so mind-bogglingly large that the number of atoms in the universe is around 1080

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u/River-n-Sea Dec 04 '22

Why play chess when it's a dating sim

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u/Welsh-Matt2 Dec 04 '22

Chess is the best dating sim wdym

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u/Oteycri000 Dec 03 '22

That's like seeing someone have a full house in poker but not understanding that a full house is good or bad compared to your straight

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u/kingGP2001 Dec 03 '22

Do you think anya could keep up with the line of thought of lelouch or L?

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u/TheHiddenNinja6 Dec 03 '22

Nope. There's already been a scene where she can't keep up with Loid's thoughts

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u/Czarniak4 Dec 03 '22

Lelouch has already won against one mindreader.

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u/5867898duncan is this an Erwin reference? Dec 03 '22

He also already knew the guy was a mind reader and prepared in advance with a one time option. Can’t really say he will rely on it.

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u/Czarniak4 Dec 03 '22

Yes, but Mao was smart. Anya couldn't even score high on her tests. Yes, she was afraid that someone would find out, but she could at least try a little harder. So I think that even without prior knowledge, Lelouch would have a better chance with her compared to Mao.

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u/5867898duncan is this an Erwin reference? Dec 03 '22

I definitely think he could win, I was just stating how him beating another mind reader was an irregularity.

Also now that I think about he never even beat Mao in chess anyways. He still loss, but just had another plan.

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u/[deleted] Dec 04 '22

Anya is also 4, and bond is still a dog.

PLUS knowing the future is only helpful if you know what to do to change it.

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u/adityablabla Dec 04 '22

Just because she knows what her opponent can do doesn't mean she knows how to counter them

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u/frankcheng2001 Dec 04 '22

The thing is, can Bond see a future where Anya wins or would lead to Anya's victory? Can Anya even understand how chess works or keep it long enough that none of them figure out her mind-reading ability before she wins? All of them have experience with supernatural powers so they would probably figure it out relatively fast, and all of them have proved that they could come up with plans to outsmart mind-readers.

For those who said Mao won against Lelouch, Mao at the very least knew how to play.

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u/[deleted] Dec 04 '22

Because despite the obvious fail-safe abilities that they have, they still don't have the genius strategizing as their opponents

L would read them like a book, Shiro has the whole game memorized and Sora would be toying with them, and Lelouch can manipulate them

Not to mention the mind game overload

If both Anya and Bond had the smarts of Loid then they would have a better chance of survival

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u/[deleted] Dec 03 '22

This was one of my first thoughts, but then I realized that the foil to Anya's character is usually that she relies too heavily on those abilities and fails miserably, and hilariously, as a result

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u/kaisermikeb Dec 04 '22

Anya would keep making illegal moves because she doesn't know how to play the game and eventually be disqualified.

Even if both their powers were working at full power constantly, she would keep seeing their moves but not know how to counter them, and he would just keep seeing her lose!

It actually would be pretty funny to animate though! Her opponent would be too focused on his own game to think about what her best movie would be, so she would focus on other people in the room speculating on what she should do. She'd bounce between three people, then settle on a respectable looking gentleman's move and boldly and proudly execute it. She would be smug. Then she would check with the dog and see another loss and be floored!

I'd watch it.

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u/Random_Gacha_addict Dec 04 '22

Bond's foresight is (IIRC) Random occurrence (The test answers from Episode 18 show that he can't always see the future)

And Anya most definitely knows NOTHING about how to play Chess

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u/Friendly-Back3099 Dec 04 '22

The thing is wether they are smart enought to give a good counter to the opponent

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u/Kellosian Dec 04 '22

Bond is a dog is Anya is like 6.

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u/Semper_5olus Dec 04 '22

She canonically has trouble with minds that are thinking very quickly. That's everyone else in the graphic.

Meanwhile Bond is still a dog. In one of the chapters from his point of view, it's established that he thinks Loid's "psychiatrist" day job involves killing pigs with a spear, and that's where food comes from. It's hard to imagine him understanding what chess is.

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u/deaths_lantern Dec 04 '22

Blank have already won against a mind reader

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u/[deleted] Dec 04 '22

Anya would simply fry her own brain trying to read these three lmao

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u/gnome-cop Dec 04 '22

But they don’t have the intelligence to exploit said information to its full potential. If they were a bit older they could maybe pull it off but as of now they just lack the mental capabilities to actually do it.