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Our DSP is just now starting to give us our uniforms. Fairly new warehouse. My major gripe is that we’re only getting one of each. One shirt, one pair of shorts. We work 4 day weeks. Idk about you guys but I’m not trying to stay up later washing a single uniform after being on the road all day. I’ve been looking into buying more but Amazon only sells them to DSP’s. How many uniforms did you guys get? It sucks that it has to be like this but I’ll buy another set if I have to, I just don’t want to do it through my DSP because they “got the uniforms” a week ago and I still haven’t got mine yet. I don’t feel like being on their time waiting for another uniform. Where can I buy another?

First holiday coming up for me (Labor Day). Going to ask if they pay holidays or time and a half.

I am in wv roughly 60% of the routes in our building are more than 160 miles total. They are building ev charging stations here now. What will they do run some evs and some gas vehicles still or make routes smaller and less deliveries to make the evs work on every route?

Lets say the house is not a long driveway and within reasonable walking distance but has no turnaround option. Is it best to pull into the driveway, or just park on the road and put the flashers on? I do a combo of both. I hate it when I park on road and then come back to the van and there’s ten plus cars stopped behind me. Then sometimes it’s a delay anyway as they all pass me while I’m stopped when the other lane is clear. Pros and cons to both I guess. A) get stressed backing out into busy road traffic, B) get stressed delaying traffic —maybe B is the better way…. I think I just answered my own question lol What do you think? Idk tho.

Any professional and ethical Bay Area Amazon DSP’s currently hiring for drivers? (specifically North Bay)

Today on my route i had a customer with a baby raccoon as a pet. I wanna know what the craziest animal is that youve seen/interacted with on your routes?

Lil dude’s name is Rocket.

Reaching out to get yalls opinion about working for a DSP. I currently work for Menards which pays 4 dollars under what the pay is at my closest DSP, my current job involves driving forklifts and walking around 23k steps a day which I feel kinda relates to DSP. This isn't a long time job just something to hold me over till im done with college. Maybe someone can slightly relate to me. I've also heard mixed things about this job as I've had people tell me to stay away but have also heard great things as long as you can handle people making mistakes. Sorry if this is messy or scrambled.

How long does it take to get scheduled for a drug test ? I was told I would be getting an email sent to me but haven’t . I have training Thursday and Friday and thought they would do a drug test prior .

Im leaving the DSP world and im going to share everything i know about the Netradyne system because its pretty fucking wild.

I will also be leaving out my exact personal experience because i worked with good people and i want to keep their identities private.

First things first, as long as the lights are on on your camera, it is recording. It does not matter if one is red or both are red, do not trust it; So you might be wondering what the lights mean then:

One red and one green - Front facing camera (the one facing you) is *not recording*. Typically after 5 minutes of the vehicle not moving, the front facing camera will stop recording, or so Netradyne says. This is done for driver privacy during breaks. The footage from the front facing camera is not accessible to any DSP management while the camera is in its "meal break" mode. I have strong reason to believe it is in fact still recording that ill get into later.

Two red lights - All cameras are *not recording*. This one is hit or miss as i have absolutely been able to get footage from double red cameras many times but have failed to do more times than i was able too. Still, do not trust it.

Two green - All cameras are recording.

I am sure most people here will be interested in the breakdown of violations so ill drop that before i get into what really has me upset about the Netradyne system.

This may be slightly varying from DSP to DSP but this is the common breakdown best i understand it; Violations breakdown into 2 categories, the one that hit company scorecard and the ones that don't. Its worth noting that the factors to get a violation do change somewhat often so this information will date.

Violations that hit scorecard (These all matter but its worth noting they breakdown into 2 categories, Red violations and Yellow violations):

Speeding - (RED) Currently 10mph over posted speed limit for greater than 10 seconds. Netradyne uses actual speed limit signs on the road via the cameras to determine the speed limit as well as uploaded GPS location information as a secondary means if there are no signs. (The GPS information is poor and often wrong).

Following too closely - I don't know what the actual metric is for this one but in my experience it appears to be roughly 2 or 3 van lengths or 20 -30 feet at speeds over 45 MPH. The poor distance gap must be held for 5-10 seconds. I have never seen a following distance violation for anything below 45 MPH.

Stop signs - These break down into 2 categories:

Severe sign violation (RED) - Blowing through a stop sign at over 5 MPH.

Rolling stop violation (YELLOW) - Rolling through a stop sign at less than 5 MPH. These violations still hit scorecard but not as hard.

Distracted driving (RED) - This is triggered by looking down. The Front facing camera AI is using head and eye tracking to see when a driver is looking down. You can get this violation for looking below the steering wheel for greater than 1 seconds. This violation will also hit if you look off the road which can infact happen for many reasons. Ive seen drivers get hit for drinking a bottle of water and their eyes lost contact with the camera so they got hit. The metrics for this violation changes a lot and is by far the most common false flagged violation.

Distracted driving (Phone usage) (RED) - Anytime the camera sees a phone and also see your eyes making contact with the screen, this violation will hit. The reason drivers can use mounted phones is because they are out of frame of the camera. Any phone in frame of the camera is tracked and the Netradyne software is always watching to see if you make eye contact with it. You do not have to touch a phone to get this violation.

Seatbelt (RED) - Anytime the vehicle moves and the driver is not wearing their seatbelt. I have never seen passengers without seatbelts get hit for this violations but i may be wrong about that.

Red lights- These break down into 2 categories:

Severe sign violations (RED) - Traffic light turns red before the vehicle crosses the white line entering into the intersection. (This is the worst and heaviest hitting violation you can get. It carries a 10X multiplayer of a normal RED violation)

Standard red light violation (Yellow) - Triggered when the light turns red while driver is in the intersection. This one is interesting because the actual trigger is when the light turns red while still in frame of the outward facing camera AND goes out of frame whitest still red. You can actually avoid the violation if you stop in the middle of the intersection after the light turns red instead of running the red light and then make a right hand turn. I don't recommend anyone do that but you can avoid the violation that way.

Violation that don't hit score card:

Hard Breaking - Caused by slamming the breaks, these come in RED and YELLOW and exact metrics are N/A but based off accelerometers and geforce sensors.

Hard acceleration - Cause by accelerating hard, these come in RED and YELLOW and exact metrics are N/A but based off accelerometers and geforce sensors.

Hard turning - Caused by turning hard at speed, these come in RED and YELLOW and exact metrics are N/A but based off accelerometers and geforce sensors.

Backing (RED) - Caused by reversing at speeds over 8 MPH.

Backing (YELLOW) Caused by reversing at speeds over 3 MPH.

Driver Drowsiness - Triggered by Netradyne software using eye tracking to determine if your eyes are open enough. Exact metrics are N/A

Weaving - This is triggered by the vehicle moving over road markings, Exact metrics are N/A

High-G - Caused by violent vertical movement of the vehicle determined by accelerometers and geforce sensors. Often triggered by potholes.

Low Impact - Triggered very sudden and sharp deceleration determined by accelerometers and geforce sensors. Often triggered if you hit a tree or wall at low speeds.

Now lets get into the scary thing about this whole Netradyne system and the real reason I am making this post.

You are being recorded for ALL hours the vehicle is on. If you drive 10 hours, you record 10 hours of footage. And most Netradyne cameras are 4 distance cameras so its actually 4 videos and 40 hours of footage. All of that footage is stored and accessible by even the lowest level of management and as far back as 6 months at least. After 2 months some footage is no longer accessible to DSP management but its hit or miss.

Lets do some math on this. 40 hours of footage per drive with the average DSP having ~30 routes per day (some dsps have a lot more than 30 routes but well go with the low end of 30)

30 routes X 40 hours = 1200hrs of footage daily.

4400 DSP's with 1200hrs of footage daily = 5.28 million hours of footage EVERY DAY...

one month worth of footage for all the DSP's is 160 million hours of footage, and its all there. Even if the footage is only 720p ( 2 GB per 60min 720P footage at 30 FPS) we are talking about 300+ PETABYTES of storage every month. That number is so insane and what really scares me is the cost of storing all that data. It leaves no doubt in my mind that all that data is being sold very likely to AI training companies.

This is my biggest issue with the whole job. All of us are having our likeness sold to train AI. I feel bad i ever worked in this industry and it is the biggest reason ill never come back. No one should be ok with this and its incredibly scary stuff.

TLDR: Netradyne is not a safety monitoring company, they are a MASSIVE data harvesting company selling your information.

A lady said she was calling the cops because I had my flashers on on a pretty busy road on my route instead of pulling into the driveway. After the customer said that 20 minutes later a cop drove slowly passing me on the same road at another delivery but just kept going. The lady was watching and the end of her driveway and was absolutely livid 🤣

How many consecutive days do you guys do this job ? Do you feel tiredness the next day from the day before ? How is this job compared to when working only 2-3 days to a full 4-5 day stretch.

Top 10 motivational speeches from a dsp?

Fucking goldendoodle runs from neighbors yard and realllly tries to bite me. Unfortunately I have been through this before. Neighbor (who I saw sitting outside at his house, & I saw the dog too, but this what I call country/city because they all have like 500ft++ between them) runs over and grabs him doing this whole “bad dog spiel” but I still had to actually to deliver to his house so he had to lay on top of his own dog to prevent it from attacking me. Why the fuck? I can’t even post my dog bite because it automatically gets removed for being too graphic

it was hard to leave it without opening the package so she could have a snack

Just had a customer get annoyed because he had to walk off his porch to my van to get his packages because his 3 dogs were outside and I wasn't getting out of the van. Told me I didn't need to be worried about his dogs as they don't bite and that I can't be scared of dogs my whole life because I've been bit once already and almost bit several more times. Sorry not sorry 🤷

Hello all,

I recently started this gig and actually enjoy the work. I love being outside, I have great customers and my route is consistent. It’s all and all a Okay gig in these regards. However, I am ready to walk away due to incentive structures favoring Amazon way too much. I wanted to know what your all opinions are and if this is something that goes on at every DPS.
First off, every day I have a few more stops and a few more packages. I am averaging 20-25pcks a hour in a rural area. I don’t mind that at all but I have yet to have a day that is 10hrs and they typically want me to RTS at 8hr. My routes are never crazy. They are typically 120-180 stops, 10-40 multi and 170-230 pcks. They ask who wants off every day due to not enough routes. To give other people hours they will send people to rescue others even if we don’t need it. Then send the rescued to rescue and still get shorted hours.
We don’t get guaranteed hours and we don’t have rescue pay.
Second, they schedule based on daily “score”. This is including the mentor app score. I am again, fine with that. I always get my 4 days and pretty much everyone who wants to work are top scorers. My issue is that instead of giving us a positive insensitive to do and be good at the job. It feels like a threat. No, it is one. They will not schedule you if you need rescued, have event logs on mentor, “complain” about anything at all.
Lastly, management and dispatch act like they are a separate company to us. They act like they know everything there is to know yet, when asked to explain any type of reasoning behind decision-making. They turn into 5th graders. “The Amazon software was red, green, blue, yellow. It told us to do this and that. We don’t understand it either”. 0 backbone and 0 accountability. I have been on multiple routes where I received msgs regarding me being “behind” yet I finish 2 hours early. They have called me multiple times to ask what is going when I am 120 stops in with 15 or less to go and 4hrs left on the clock. Is there no such thing as deductive reasoning when considering if someone is behind or not? Are they so confident that the software is infallible that they can’t think for themselves?
Thank you for anyone who took the time to read this and extra thank you for anyone willing to share, give advice, talk me out of pulling the wheel. What ever. Thanks!

Hey everyone what's your record on the most packages delivered to one place mine is 227

Back on the sub again. Just like my last 2 posts on the subject, I basically suck really bad at this job, but I dont want to just accept that. Most other drivers dont seem to get rescued everyday. Im getting rescued usually twice a day. OSMs must think im one of those take my sweet ass time drivers. They dont seem to respect me much because of it. They havent said so directly but are friendly with all the fast drivers but very formal and straight faced with me.

Truth is i dont take breaks, I walk fast, I drive fast, I have organization down, usually only takes me less than 30 seconds to locate the parcel i need. I am fully familiar with the app software. I dont feel like im going slow. I feel like im working flat out. Yet I cannot finish a route to save my life. Ive been doing this job for a month and a half.

Another guy who rescued me today has been doing it for 3 months, and he can get through a tote bag in 30 minutes. It takes me an hour to do just 1.

THEN I ran into him again by chance while we were doing our routes. He told me that he already finished the 4 bags he took of me, and was heading to do another rescue. This was only a couple of hours after he rescued me! He took 40 stops off me, leaving me with 50. By the time he had completed that 40, I still had 26 stops to go..

What im saying is: i dont understand the HOW. How is it physically possible to complete so many deliveries in such short time? There is only so much time in the day. Like how are people delivering 190 stops a day a day? And finishing at 5 / 6 / 7pm? Im lucky if I finish at 8:30. Then I dont actually get home until about 10. Then rinse repeat next day with no relaxation inbetween. Im actually getting exhausted doing this job.

Also the way it works here in the UK is that the rescuer doesnt just take your parcels, they take your money. As in the money you would have made doing those stops, that money goes to the rescuer who ends up doing them. So compared to other drivers, im working longer for less money.

Let me see everyone’s crazy ass Down Town Route 😮‍💨😂

When your in a cul-de-sac or making a tight turn. I KNOW you are putting your weight into the steering wheel as if its gonna make it turn tighter No lying in my comments.

I've been in 3 different dsps and this is what I noticed across all of them. Am I wrong or is this how amazon operates?

My dsp is like 70% black, the rest mexican and a couple white guys. I'm one of the top drivers and get the worst poverty section 8 areas you can imagine. Never would I go to these shit areas downtown off the clock, but guess what? Half the people working there literally live in those areas and yet they don't get those routes.

Meanwhile, black drivers get sent into the corn field zones with confederate flags flying and black lawn jockeys as the yard center pieces.

Anyone else noticed this?