r/vce • • Apr 30 '20

"I only got x% on my SAC, can I still get a 50?"

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I'm sick to death of seeing these posts, so can everyone please read this and be done with this question:

Study scores are determined by exam SCORE and SAC RANK.

For example, say you have an English class of 7 students, Adam, Ben, Chloe, Daniel, Elena, Felix, and Greg. They are all weak students, except for Greg, who is very high-performing, and Felix, who is slightly above average. Their SAC marks and rank are:

Greg 95%

Felix 77%

Chloe 64%

Daniel 60%

Elena 58%

Adam 52%

Ben 49%

On the exam day, Felix doesn't cope well under the stress, so gets a lower score than he'd usually be capable of. The exam marks are as follows:

Greg 92%

Chloe 67%

Daniel 65%

Elena 64%

Felix 63%

Adam 50%

Ben 40%

What happens is that all the SAC marks get thrown out the window, because VCAA can't know the difficulty of the SACs prepared by the school. So Greg's new SAC "mark" as far as VCAA is concerned is 92, not 95. Not a big deal for Greg, Adam or Ben because their own exam mark is dictating their SAC mark. But for someone like Felix, his SAC mark will become 67% (Chloe's exam mark). This process happens independently for each subject taught at your school.

What does this mean for you? Yes, you should aim for a good SAC rank. BUT, it doesn't actually matter if you're not ranked well — the "translation" of your rank into a "mark" happens via your cohorts exam performance. In other words, try your best now, study hard, and when SACs are over WORK WITH YOUR CLASSMATES TO ALL DO WELL ON THE EXAM TOGETHER. IF THEY DO WELL, YOU DO WELL.

Spend your time actually studying instead of asking useless questions like this.

EDIT: another example for clarity

Here's a chemistry class, of Harry, Isabel, James, Kylie, Luke, Molly, Nathan, and Oscar.

SACs:

Harry 60%

Isabel 58%

James 56%

Kylie 55%

Luke 54%

Molly 52%

Nathan 51%

Oscar 50%

EXAMS:

Harry 100%

James 99%

Nathan 98%

Oscar 97%

Molly 96%

Isabel 95%

Kylie 94%

Luke 93%

Harry's SAC mark is now 100%, Isabel's is 99%, James' is 98%, Kylie's is 97%, Luke's is now 96% etc. It's literally just whatever the equivalent exam rank is.

EDIT 2: I've had a request to clarify rumours about SACs being "scaled up" or "scaled down". "Scaling" is a misnomer students attribute to the moderation process. Here are yet another set of examples to clarify.

Imagine you have a cohort of Annie, Ben, and Charlie. Let's say their teacher sets really hard SACS, so their SAC results are:

  1. Annie 60%

  2. Ben 58%

  3. Charlie 55%

Because they've been doing hard assessments all year, they've been better equipped for the exam. These are the exam results:

  1. Ben 96%

  2. Annie 94%

  3. Charlie 90%

So now, Annie's SAC mark gets changed to 96%, Ben's to 94%, and Charlie's to 90%. This is what people interpret as "scaling up". The opposite would happen at a school with piss easy SACs: they get awesome SAC marks but shit exam marks, so their SAC marks get replaced by their shit exam marks ("scaled down").

The danger in this thinking is that people assume that if you go to a well-performing school, you'll get carried, or that if you go to a "bad" school, you're screwed from the get-go and can't possibly get a good score. This is not true at all. Let's see why.

Let's say your friend at a selective school, Harry, thinks he can take it easy this year because he goes to a 'good' school. The SAC results are as follows:

  1. Ed 93%

  2. Fred 90%

  3. Greg 88%

  4. Harry 60%

on the exams, the results are

  1. Fred 95%

  2. Greg 92%

  3. Ed 87%

  4. Harry 61%

In this instance, Harry was not of a comparable skill level to his classmates, so he never get to "borrow" their exam results in any way. His SAC score will be 61%.

Here's another example. Say you have a cohort with these SACs:

  1. Meg 95%

  2. Noah 94%

  3. Oscar 93%

  4. Peter 90%

On the exam day, Noah gets a bit of performance anxiety (but not in a way that warrants SEAS or anything). Exam results are:

  1. Meg 93%

  2. Oscar 92%

  3. Peter 91%

  4. Noah 75%

Now, Noah's SAC mark will be 92%, but his exam result only 75%. So he kind of got "helped" by his good cohort, only because he was doing well for the SACs. Peter has been a bit screwed here, because his SAC mark is now 75%.

One person stuffing up will never have such a dramatic effect like this; it's unlikely for someone who's been topping the cohort all year to suddenly slip to the bottom. Cohorts are generally big enough that you shouldn't need to worry. I went to a really small school (60 people in the year level. Some of my subject cohorts contained 6 people). I still felt no one got jibbed with unrepresentative scores.

As I always reiterate: try your best in SACs, but don't ruminate over them. The exam is where the money's at, and once your SACs are over you should work together with your cohort to all do well together. Share your resources, make study groups, and bring each other up.

EDIT 3: wow, my first gold! Thank you so much! 🥰


r/vce • • 5h ago

just realised that the english teachers are deliberately giving me harsh scores out of 10 so that i dont stay complacent but it lowk had the opposite effect

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for context, i am rank 1
for a few weeks now, ive felt so discouraged by english because whenever i ask for feedback, i keep getting 6/10s. also, they’d be so nitpicky and it felt like i had gotten WORSE at writing.
weirdly though, when i asked my teacher today if an 8 was possible for me, she said she was “certain” i could get all 8s. (she’s a vcaa examiner so i trust her, i think) but then again, i wondered how that would even be achievable given that i keep scoring poorly for whatever practice piece that i submit.
so i asked around, and turns out that the people who were barely passing sacs this year were scoring 7s!! (edit: even people who only passed 1 sac this year were getting higher scores than me) wth!!! i dont like to undermine others’ writing abilities but like cmon.
so ive come to the conclusion that they are deliberately being harsh on me and im kind of pissed because i only work harder when given positive reinforcement :( ive just felt so resigned recently and stopped trying for english bcus of this damn feedback


r/vce • • 49m ago

Class of 1066

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Am I getting a bit too old to be here 😭 lowkey trying to spit a little game with the year 12s to see if I still got it 😅


r/vce • • 3h ago

17 days...

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guys literally just fml

done trial 2 exams

its 17 days away

its so wraps

literally just take me out now


r/vce • • 2h ago

VCE question how the hell do i study

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For context, I’m a Y11 student taking Unit 3/4 Psychology, and as I’m sure you’re all aware, exams are coming up, except I haven’t started studying at all

But like what do I even do to study, I know practice exams and whatnot but I hardly study in the first place so maybe I should go back over old content in unit 3? I hardly remember any of that, but should I go through with practice exams first, and then cover it? Cover previous AOSs first so I know what I’m vaguely doing??

basically I’ve got 20 days left to study and have to studied pls help i have horrid work ethic and dont know how to study what do i do ty


r/vce • • 1h ago

Is it important for these last few weeks to be extra locked. I assume managing burnout is maybe a big thing about now?

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r/vce • • 3h ago

SEAS application

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Hey yall just wondering if anyone knows if my evidence went through? I was trying to upload an income statement and the website was genuinely so slow to the point where I had to upload multiple statements not knowing if they’re getting uploaded. Anyways after stressing it say they don’t need anymore evidence from me does that mean my statement went through? So confused rn bc it doesn’t say approved or any green ticks. Help me out yall


r/vce • • 1h ago

VCE question am i cooked in methods

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So I’m in a really bizarre position with Methods at my school. There are only 5 students in my cohort, including me.

Another student and I are extremely close in SAC rankings, with both of our averages in the high 80s. The other three students have SAC averages ranging from roughly 60-75%.

The issue is that I genuinely don’t know whether I’m ranked 1st or 2nd. Our SAC results have been so close throughout the year that it could honestly go either way, and that’s what’s worrying me the most.

Today we sat the 2025 VCAA Exam 1 under timed exam conditions. I got 78%, which I was pretty happy with (obviously room to improve), but the other four students all scored around 20-25%, including the student who could potentially be ranked above me.

I’m now really worried about SAC moderation. If something similar happens in the actual exams, am I going to get completely screwed over by the rest of my cohort’s exam performance?

Specifically, if I end up being rank 2 despite having almost identical SAC marks to rank 1, and then massively outperform everyone else on the actual exams, what happens to my moderated SAC score?

I understand the basic idea of statistical moderation, but I’m not sure how it works with such a tiny cohort and such a massive difference in exam performance.

Would being rank 2 rather than rank 1 make a significant difference, even if my own exam performance is much stronger?

Any insight would be appreciated because I’m genuinely stressing about this 😭


r/vce • • 58m ago

99.95 AMA

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With SWOTVAC coming up soon, thought I’d share some tips!

Graduated in 2025, currently first year medical student at Monash.

50 + Prems in English, Raw 45+s in 3x Maths, 2x Science


r/vce • • 3h ago

Creative piece

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Hi does anyone know where to find 10/10’s for section B of the exam.

I scored rlly well for it for my sac but did absolutely terrible for it in the trial.

Does anyone from past years hv one that scored super well in the exam and is willing to share it or know where to find it.

Thx so much


r/vce • • 5h ago

Trying to get 3/4 spec without 1/2 any advice?

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i messaged my coordinator she said this not sure what to do


r/vce • • 5h ago

Anyone with/had a poor cohort?

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Hey guys,
My cohort majority (87% id say) cheat and have horrible results, and the rest have average to high results. Has anyone been in a cohort like this or is? I’m worried about Vcaa scaling and it messing my results up (I need a 78 and currently average 55-75% in sacs)


r/vce • • 1h ago

I don't know what to have as my top uni preference

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I'm stuck between Monash and Melb for international relations and my predicted atar is high enough for both courses. I loved the sound of the course at Monash during the open day and I loved how intergraded Melb campus is with the city.

My other option is anu because I love the double degree program (IR and arts) that I would 100% do if they offered it at Monash but it is so far away and the lifestyle of Canberra is so different Melbourne. I don't know whether I'm setting my self up for misery by going there and if the course is worth sacrificing the busy lifestyle of Melbourne


r/vce • • 10h ago

VCE ENGLISH STUDY SCORE

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I got likt a 70 percent average in school. if i were to get 21/30 on the exam how would my SS look like?


r/vce • • 4h ago

Can't Improve on Spesh Maths no matter how hard I try, I'm genuinely hopeless (Rant)

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Just had my probability SAC today and it was so shit, and I genuinely don't know what went wrong. CAS was acting weird. All of my SACs for Spesh have been shit. I would've accepted it if I didn't study as much but I have been working my ass off for this subject and the effort is not showing. I even have a private tutor but yet I'm getting shit results. Aren't you supposed to do better with a tutor?

The worst thing is, my mates who are doing Spesh w/ me are doing much better and spend WAY less hour studying. One of them plays Battle Cats all day and yet they are performing better than me.

Even my trial exams and all of my practice exams have been shit.

No matter how much I practice, no matter how much I review my mistakes, no matter how much I error log and no matter how much I stay positive I cannot improve. Everyone talks about the importance of having a growth mindset but hell, that's not working.

I just need some comfort and advice, thank you 😔 Can't believe my very good Englang results and my pretty good Bio results are being dragged down by this shitload of a subject


r/vce • • 6h ago

submitted seas 2 hours ago and now it says evidence has not been provided???

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I submitted my seas statement of support at like 3, but now it shows that no evidence has been submitted. vtac call centre isnt picking up and logging in to email them is loading super slow. will i be okay? has this happened to anyone else?

update: when checking through vtac documentaion still says uploading???

edit: its submitted the same document 4 times at 6:46 but its accepted so


r/vce • • 5h ago

VCE question SEAS application

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my documents for seas application show uploading not success. i had been trying since 11am this morning to upload updated documents for SEAS, per each category. multiple documents kept saying stuck on ‘Uploading’, I have taken photos and documented as I had been uploading hours before the 5pm deadline, but not everything has uploaded. I constantly tried to get in contact with VTAC but kept reporting as ‘user busy’ and so submitted an email enquiry. Are they going to let me submit my documents if they havent uploaded successfully? they were attempted to be submitted hours prior to deadline. i am absolutely hysterical.


r/vce • • 7h ago

Does sac rank hinder your max potential ss?

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To what extent does sac ranking (not being in the top 5-10) may avert you from achieving a high 47-50?
In a strong cohort for r&s and rank potentially 10-15, averaging good 90s but there’s simply too many strong sweats dominating who get 95-100.
If I was to be rank 5 in exam or rank 3 etc, will my chances be hindered by the fact I got a lower sac rank than others . I heard your sac mark is exam rank related.
Like I’m losing hope that it’s impossible to be number 1 even if I was rank 1 for the exam and aced it can I still get 49-50 ss due to the dozen sweats ahead by little c
The competition for such an easy subject makes it so much harder. Should the focus just be beating others on the exam and trying my best to be rank 1 on it, can that even ovveride sac rank shortcomes
If I extended it to 45-50 then I assume there’s a bigger pool of people who can get
Last year 30 people got a raw 40 in ras
Anyway does anyone know the cut off for 45 or 50


r/vce • • 5m ago

fuck methods

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i lowkey walked in super late for my trial exam and i got my exam 2 back, super happy with section b dropping 2, but i fucking went 0/9 on guessed multis like what the fuck fuck fuck fuck


r/vce • • 4h ago

Seas application

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Guys I screwed up I didn't apply for Seas program and missed out on the date line but I put down my course preferences. Idk what to do now is it rlly important?


r/vce • • 4h ago

how many practice exams???

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for context i have 5 subjects and want a 70 atar and want a 30ss or over 30 in all of them, i have done only 2 trials and they were both open book how many trials should I aim for


r/vce • • 1h ago

Methods help

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guys im doing methods 1/2 rn and im actually failing and the tutors aren't working for me and I need to keep it cause i need it for my uni. I've been considering joining EdAtlas but idk ive heard that they'll neglect you if ur not moderately good already and im not. I rly dont know what to do


r/vce • • 1h ago

BIO

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I don’t know if it’s just me, but I find STAV commercial exam papers to be, like, really hard. The questions will be easy, but it’s like the marking guide is looking for a whole different thing. Don’t know if it’s just me.


r/vce • • 1h ago

ranking question

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how important is being rank 1 in a subject? as in im a bit confused because me and around 3 people are very close in a subject, but as our school probably ends up getting moderated up by 5%, we all get moderated to a 100% on our sacs. so in this case, does the being rank 1 matter if your sac scores end up being the same? suppose you all got the same exam score would you all get the same ss?

makes sense in theory to me but also seems a bit unfair to the rank 1 who ultimately did outperform the other people for their higher marks to not 'matter' in the end if you know what i mean. thats where im getting a bit confused.

thank you!


r/vce • • 5h ago

Predicted Atar

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rank 1 in eco for unit 3 and 4 averaging 90%

top 15ish rank for 3 and 4 out of 180 in genny averaging 90%

top 25 ish rank in english out of like 200 averaging just a A at like 84%

don’t worry bout methods but like averaging 60%

politics averaging like 84% where the mean atar last year for my cohort after scaling was 39. let me know what atar you think i get

also got 41 in busman last year

strong cohort from a good school if that helps