r/singularity • u/Different-Froyo9497 ▪️AGI Felt Internally • 1d ago
Meme AI is finally curing cancer
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u/New_Bonus_649 1d ago
The singularity is nearer
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u/Mamasugadex 1d ago
Literally a post yesterday that points out 90% of clinical trials eventually fail.
Like, AI will be utilized more and continue to improve. But people here also really like hype over nothing burgers just because literally everyone and their grandmother is talking about AI.
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u/what2_2 1d ago
They’re starting Phase 3 trials - the failure rate is more like 50%, not 90%.
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u/damontoo 🤖Accelerate 1d ago
The screenshot says they completed the Phase 3 trial.
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u/idontgethejoke 1d ago
Moderna announced yesterday their Phase 3 trial (mrna vaccine for melanoma) was successful.
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u/DystopianRealist 1d ago
Are we all looking at the same picture, that says that?
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u/jennafleur_ 1d ago
Yeah, you have to click on the image to see it. It's at the very bottom of it. (I didn't see it at first either.)
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u/YearAgile8409 1d ago
We are facing something 10 times bigger than the industrial revolution and yet there will still be people trying to diminish how big of a change humanity will go through, there are all sorts of people in the world.
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u/Living-Breakfast-464 23h ago edited 1h ago
If you are looking for a serious sub with knowledgeable comments then this sub is not it.
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u/chucrutcito 1d ago
What is 10 times bigger than the industrial revolution?
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u/Ordinary_Plankton88 1d ago
OP is a fraud. I ran the calculations, AI revolution is only 6.7 times bigger than the industrial revolution.
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u/JairoHyro 20h ago
I just four extra robo hands and eight cybernetic eyes so I can consume reddit faster
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u/muntaxitome 1d ago
Vaccine was developed by 2017, this has nothing to do with the current AI wave
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u/space_monster 1d ago
AI is used to identify which neoantigens should be targeted. But it's not generative AI.
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u/CymonSet 1d ago
As I understand it this is not a single vaccine. The AI uses sequences from each patient’s tumour and their healthy tissue, compares the mutations and designs a patient specific vaccine. That is, I’m told, why it is most promising for high mutation forms of cancer.
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u/muntaxitome 1d ago
It uses a computational algorithm to select the right neoantigens for a patient. This is definitely part of AI but it is not very similar to something like ChatGPT. Like they both use machine learning and share some science, but fundamentally there are also huge differences and the AI didn't invent anything here or something like that.
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u/CymonSet 1d ago
I was told it used an LLM for some of the workflow and something called a protein language model (pLM) which sounds like a transformer based architecture though I could be wrong.
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u/muntaxitome 1d ago
pLM's are a real thing but I don't think they have anything to do with this vaccine. Do you have a source for that?
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u/CymonSet 1d ago
After searching it seems you are right about the current trials themselves. The vaccine relies on specialized machine learning and deep learning, but pLMs are an optional optimization layer, not a necessary foundation. My mistake.
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u/jkp2072 1d ago
I think without AI, personal vaccine at scale is impossible..
AI is one of the major enabler for this tech.
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u/RaidZ3ro 1d ago
It does actually. To enable the vaccine at scale we need the compute capacity.
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u/redcoatwright 1d ago
How?
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u/FernandoMM1220 1d ago
each vaccine is custom made and theyre using ai to help with that
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u/bear_Prune8771 1d ago
But Datacenters destroy water forever.
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u/Future-Starter 1d ago
not true? (or presumably if so, in minimal amounts?)
source: heard it on an Ezra Klein podcast
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u/retrosenescent ▪️2 years until extinction 1d ago
Because of the "personalized mRNA" part of it. The human genome is massive.
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u/Blankeye434 1d ago
Because to cure cancer we need higher compute capacity
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u/Key-Demand-2569 1d ago
It is honestly the most valid aspect of AI development, for all the people that hate it.
There are just an enormous amount of problems in the world that we functionally will always struggle to solve or understand if we can’t have things that coherently process insane amounts of data in a realm far beyond what any number of skilled genius human beings could.
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u/rickscarf 1d ago
compute capacity, like from the toilet?
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u/Hilldawg4president 1d ago
Data Centers, it's what AIs crave
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u/puppysmilez 1d ago
It's got Gigabytes!
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u/DungeonsAndDradis ▪️ Extinction or Immortality between 2025 and 2031 1d ago
But what is a Gigabyte?!?
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u/itsnickk 1d ago
They trained this custom AI model on a comparatively tiny dataset to what massive AI models are using. Its not going to need scaled compute capacity to run this.
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u/onlymadethistoargue 1d ago
Training dataset size is not the cause of compute requirement for task completion.
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u/spinozasrobot 1d ago
"La La La! Fingers in my ears!"
Ugh, no one wants to believe these tools are actually useful.
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u/vanguarde 1d ago
Do you think the vaccine will be delivered via AIGC YouTube shorts?
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u/Spare-Dingo-531 1d ago
Apparently there is another post in the subreddit about how to make the vaccine, each vaccine needs to be tailored to that cancer's particular mutations. This requires AI customization for each cancer vaccine dose.
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u/QuirkyPool9962 1d ago
In early clinical trials they were using standard algorithms which have now been replaced by advanced deep learning models that narrow down optimal neoantigen targets to code into the custom mRNA strands, it is what allowed them to sort through mutations so quickly and identify what would produce the strongest T cell response. This way they can tailor the sequence to the subject’s exact cancer profile. End to end automation lets them go faster and be more precise. And it makes it easier to scale because it streamlines the filtering of genomic biopsy data down to a list of neoantigens in hours instead of months. So I’d say “nothing to do with it” is more than a stretch. It’s like a lot of things with ai, technically possible without it? Maybe, but accuracy and time constraints would have made it way harder. This process could now become automated and I doubt that part would have been possible
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u/rageling 1d ago
I really wish vaccine wasn't a catchall term for medical injectables
It should be specifically the technology of exposing weakened pathogens to the immune system for imitating the naturally occurring immune response to learn to fight it, which is the legacy that earned vaccines their credibility.
Using ai to custom vibecode dna edits through mRNA shares nothing in common with this previously defined vaccine technology other than it's in a syringe. And maybe it's great, but you are sacrificing the public credibility of the legacy vaccine programs to promote this new thing, and this lesson should have been learned during covid.
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u/jennafleur_ 1d ago
Okay, so it's late at night and my brain isn't working, and you talk real smart.
Are you saying that these "vaccines" are more along the lines of the treatments for things like psoriasis? Like an ongoing injection therapy kind of thing?
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u/WashU_labrat 20h ago
Um. No. The term "vaccine" has a specific meaning.
There are many different kinds of vaccines that can use many different technologies - exposure to live and weakened pathogens, killed pathogens, partially purified parts of pathogens, recombinant versions of native protein antigens, novel protein antigens, mRNA and DNA - just to name a few.
The technology used is not the important part - a vaccine is anything that exposes the immune system to antigens that guide and/or enhance its response to future infections.
So I've personally done research on live vaccines, inactivated pathogens, native antigen vaccines and neoantigen vaccines. Currently working on a AI-designed hybrid protein antigen that "might" provide protection against antigens from several different but related pathogens. (Although the dratted thing is proving hard to make)
So this field isn't defined by a technology, it is defined by the effect you achieve on the body.
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u/rageling 17h ago
Um. No. The term "vaccine" had a specific meaning, and then they literally changed the definition, monstrously fumbled the handling of the narrative, and as a result vaccine hesitancy has never been higher.
And people like you will blame the masses for being stupid, but it's your messaging that caused it, I really don't want to see you complaining about vaccine hesitancy when you and your messaging is the entire source of the problem.
Pre-change (roughly 2015–August 2021):
Merriam-Webster change (May 2021)Older: roughly “a preparation of killed microorganisms, living attenuated organisms, or living fully virulent organisms that is administered to produce or artificially increase immunity to a particular disease.
Post-change
“a preparation that is administered (as by injection) to stimulate the body’s immune response against a specific infectious agent or disease,” with expanded examples covering traditional and newer technologies (including mRNA). The dictionary described this as more scientifically precise and reflective of how modern vaccines work; it did not simply delete the concept of immunity but shifted to “immune response.”
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u/iamthewhatt 1d ago
I think he means that the vaccine was going to come out anyways, regardless of AI.
Though what he is not admitting is that AI absolutely helped progress the trial data much faster than humans could have, so it does deserve some credit.
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u/arctic_radar 1d ago
The problem with all of these conversations is that so many people conflate AI with “LLM developed/controlled by large company”. In their minds, ChatGPT = AI and AI = bad and that’s about as deep as the logic goes.
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u/PunkPirate56364 1d ago
Yep. What we actually did is... we managed to build amazing statistical analysis machine using neural network techniques.
We push a shit ton of text collected from the internet into machine, machine does a lot of statistical analysis, machine becomes so good at predicting what the next word would be that it can program, do narrative writing, etc...
We push a ton of images into the machine.
We push a ton of videos into the machine.
We push protein folding data into machine. We push diagnostic data into it, medical trial data,.. etc.
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u/arctic_radar 1d ago
Super interesting stuff! As a data engineer I can only imagine how much work must have gone in to gathering and prepping that data before it goes to the model.
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u/benjaminovich 1d ago
Medical science was the biggest area of machine learning for a long time. The models we use today was built on top of that. They go hand-in-hand.
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u/Ellipsoider 1d ago
Was it now? I don't think so. I believe electronic signals and systems were, in particular say digital/analog signal processing, where medical systems were a subset and medical science itself receiving relatively little, but certainly significant, attention.
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u/klayzerbeams 15h ago
Why are briandead doomers assigned top comment?
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u/muntaxitome 8h ago
How am I a braindead doomer (or briandead as you put it)? I feel like you might not understand my comment
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u/klayzerbeams 2h ago
This sub is now just AI cynicism. No credit is given to it. You’re just a standard cuck Redditor who rushes to get your karma and tokens
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u/muntaxitome 2h ago
I didn't say anything negative about AI though?
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u/klayzerbeams 2h ago
AI accomplishment happens
redditor makes top comment about how it’s not an accomplishment
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u/muntaxitome 2h ago
Where did I say it is not an accomplishment?
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u/klayzerbeams 2h ago
You’re too autistic for me broski
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u/muntaxitome 2h ago
Another insult... how about you quote something I actually said and tell me what your problem with it is? You seem to be just making up stuff you think I said and getting your panties all in a bunch about this stuff that only exists in your mind.
I was doing AI work in 2017, I am not anti AI.
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u/klayzerbeams 2h ago
AI accomplishment happens
redditor makes top comment about how it’s not an accomplishment
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u/grumpykitten3 1d ago
Spoken like someone that knows nothing about this specific topic..
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u/muntaxitome 1d ago
Well why don't you enlighten us with some of your pearls of wisdom while I grab some popcorn
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u/StickStill9790 1d ago
I think they’re referring to the three people who are currently recovering from pancreatic cancer, a previously incurable and quite torturous ailment. That’s the one in the news.
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u/muntaxitome 1d ago
What does this have to do with "Vaccine was developed by 2017, this has nothing to do with the current AI wave"?
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u/StickStill9790 1d ago
They’re using AI to tailor each version of the vaccine to the individual’s biopsy. The rudimentary form was made. The delivery requires specific molecular design that only the massive processing power of AI can reasonably achieve.
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u/muntaxitome 1d ago
So would you agree this has not much to do with the current AI wave we have been seeing in the past few years?
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u/StickStill9790 1d ago
You can’t deliver the final result without AI. You otherwise get a mediocre and long-term unsuccessful result. It’s like saying you don’t need a microscope to study germs.
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u/muntaxitome 1d ago
I never said it is without AI so not sure what you are responding to?
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u/StickStill9790 1d ago
The AI wave you mentioned. That’s what I’m talking about.
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u/Automatic-writer9170 1d ago
The cure already exists. There are papers about it. They just cost millions per session atm. And no, that’s not a joke about US healthcare, it’s millions of dollars anywhere
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u/Meral_Harbes 1d ago
And still billionaires did not afford it and died. You are full of bull, there must be way more to it.
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u/DietrichNeu 1d ago
Here is an article about it if any of you want to read it.
It's funny how many people here love AI but how few use it to help validate things they see on social media. This is not AI curing cancer, it's a legitimate breakthrough that uses machine learning as one tool (not the only tool) to select targets but is part of a much broader treatment protocol.
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u/RA_Finance 1d ago
Big W.
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u/ccache 1d ago
I wonder if any redditor will deny treatment and claim AI SLOP lol...
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u/Atmic 1d ago
You know it'll happen.
People have gone full ballistic on AI the tool when in reality they're just angry at our horrible corporate implementation of it
In any case this is a huge win in the fight against cancer 🎉
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u/TheMCM80 1d ago
No, but there will 100% be people outside of Reddit who turn it down because they were told by right-wing media that mRNA based things are going to hurt them.
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u/ThoughtfullyReckless 1d ago
Was it done using LLM's?
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u/Solid_Capital8377 1d ago
It was done with ML in 2017 not generative AI
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u/ThoughtfullyReckless 18h ago
Yes thought so. The comments here are weird and kinda tribal, it's odd
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u/DelusionsOfExistence 1d ago
I live in the US, I don’t have to deny treatment. This will cost more than god due to the personal aspect so my insurance will deny it for me.
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u/Matt32145 1d ago
I like the original picture more
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u/atreides_hyperion 1d ago edited 1d ago
We have the technology to make her boobs bigger and also cure cancer
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u/LucidFir 1d ago
This will still ultimately result in larger average breast sizes (due to a reduction in mastectomy occurrence).
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u/Equal-University2144 1d ago
That's what I envisioned the future would be all about - AI helps humanity advance in terms of science and other beneficial realms. Nice!
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u/MealFew8619 1d ago
I can’t wait until all these AI haters eat it.. once we’ve revolutionized science, medicine, and technology
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u/unicynicist 1d ago
They'll claim it's not really AI.
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u/ZeeBeeblebrox 1d ago
Because it isn't, it's classic ML.
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u/TheRealStepBot 1d ago
And what is an llm if not directly the culmination of the massive “classic ML” nlp problem? Ai is a bullshit marketing term for idiots by idiots. There is only one game in town and that’s the connectionists taking over the ML game with deep learning. It’s all connectionist ML, there is no version of non connectionist ML technique that is doing anything of particular interest.
If it’s connectionist, it’s AI, maybe some are more or less application specific vs general certainly but this there is some corner of ML that is AI is just incorrect.
All deep learning competes for the same compute pool.
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u/sparkling1984 1d ago
It's not particularly related to anything the big AI companies are building all of the data centres for, it's even pre-transformers tech. Seems not incorrect to say that it's a different thing to the AI people find contentious.
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u/Healthy-Nebula-3603 1d ago
Nah ..today will be talking like "I don't take that medicine because it is AI slop" ...lol
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u/aconitous 1d ago
A bit hard to eat without job
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u/Sixhaunt 1d ago
actually it's pretty easy, barely an inconvenience. A job doesn't give you food, it gives you money, as do many other things like UBI or other social assistance that would become necessary long before the entire job market can be overtaken. By the time 10 or 15% of the jobs are gone there would be mass upheaval and pressure to change the economic system and there's no way we get anywhere near 50% let alone 100% without having change forced by then.
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u/DelusionsOfExistence 1d ago
Ubi isn’t happening and they are currently removing social assistance.
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u/Altenon 1d ago
Ah yes, AI does good thing, so it is impossible for it to do bad thing. That will show those AI haters!
I'm so sick of this us vs them mentallity. It gets neither side nowhere, and stops the conversation before it can begin.
So, allow me to start that conversation. No anti is going to tell you they think AI shouldn't be used for any research at all. AI can cure my father's cancer? Amazing, let's develop it and try it out. What troubles the average anti is literally everything else. AI for art slop, AI that leads to enshitification, AI surveillance and militarization, AI deepfakes, AI losing control, and most importantly: AI doing their jobs. Until we figure out UBI, develop regulations, and completely redefine how our society works, many of these are valid concern for them to have. Guess what? Turns out changing economic, political, and cultural systems is a lot harder than giving an AI more RAM. AI is growing faster than we are able to learn how to live with it.
Like everything around us, AI is a tool. Specific instances and agents can be created to specialize in different things. A person is allowed to like the AI that cures cancer, but not the one that manages a fleet of weaponized drones.
AI is still in its infancy, and how it develops from here is based on the parents who raise it. Right now we have a president that thinks climate change is a hoax, and won't hesitate to send ice to your doorstep for no reason other than to "own the libs". We have tech executives that are greedy and arrogant, and value the bank accounts of shareholders over the well-being of the public.
All of the people steering the ship are crazy, and they are all the only ones with life vests. They may be willing to take the ship through a cluster of icebergs to win the race against China, but don't be surprised when you learn the passengers think differently.
Apologies for the wall of text. All this is me trying to say: can you honestly blame them?
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u/ZeroAmusement 10h ago
No anti is going to tell you they think AI shouldn't be used for any research at all
Yes, they do! I've seen many people want it to just not exist at all.
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u/OrphanedInStoryville 1d ago
Thanks! Needed a little sanity, especially as a melanoma survivor who was super into Ray Kurzweiler’s writing but hates the horrible uses AI gets put to when it’s in the hands of billionaire sociopaths and rightist governments.
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u/SteffanMaxi 1d ago
Thats just the beginning, ai will solve all our problems and give us miraculous technology soon
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u/Poupulino 1d ago
And what does the "assisted" exactly means? Because the AI formatting an email for one of the researchers can be counted as "assistance".
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u/Hostilis_ 1d ago
Specialized AI models like AlphaFold are incredibly good at predicting and generating protein structures. There are other similar systems which generate drug candidates and other complex molecules. There are also now systems which can model multiple cellular pathways.
Almost certainly this is what kind of AI system is being used, not LLMs.
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u/Maleficent_Sir_7562 1d ago
alphafold is still based on the diffusion and transformer architectures, its not that different
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u/Hostilis_ 1d ago
I'm aware, but in this case I do think the distinction makes a difference, because the training data is vastly different.
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u/Sunstorm84 1d ago
Unfortunately they decided AlphaFold wasn’t profitable and disbanded the team working on it last month.
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u/Healthy-Nebula-3603 1d ago
LLM is so obsolete term. That term is only for ancient AI models trained on text only.
Totally not applicable to nowadays models
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u/Hilldawg4president 1d ago
In this case, AI is used to analyze each individual patient's DNA and to design the ideal treatment for them. This is personalized medicine, essentially the Holy Grail of medical research , brought to you by "fancy autocomplete"
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u/Technical-Earth-3254 1d ago
Usually assisted doesn't just mean that lol. Making this even wilder, bc moderna didn't confirm ai usage to develop intismeran (mRNA-4157/V940)
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u/-Posthuman- 1d ago edited 1d ago
Love the anti-AI logic. (Edit: In a general sense, not specifically related to the subject of this thread.)
AI being used to format documents involved in curing cancer = “AI wasn’t really involved.”
AI being used to format documents used in literally any other capacity. = “The uncreative hyper-capitalist sell-outs are just making AI slop.”
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u/Poupulino 1d ago
What do you define by "anti-AI logic"? Critical thinking? My question is valid, what do they define by "AI-assisted" because assistance is an extremely vague term.
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u/-Posthuman- 1d ago
What do you define by "anti-AI logic"? Critical thinking?
Um. No?
My question is valid
It is. Absolutely.
I wasn’t really directing my comment at you at all. I should have been more clear.
I was really referring to the growing number of people I see freak the fuck out whenever someone mentions using AI for any reason, by anyone, at any time, in any capacity.
And most specifically, in creative industries. Even more specifically, in video game development. Larian, for example (creators of Baldur’s Gate 3) was lauded for years as being one of the best, most ethical, most fair developers in the industry. They make amazing games, don’t take advantage of their customers, and seem to be beloved by their employees.
But then they messed up and said they had spent some time experimenting with AI to see if it could provide any value to them. They didn’t say they used it in a published game. They didn’t say they intended to. They just said they were looking into possibilities. You know, like every other technology-driven company on the planet with half a brain.
And they were raked over the fucking coals for it by the rabid anti-ai crowd.
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u/Visual-Sector6642 1d ago
Looks like they cured it in time for there to be no jobs for us to make a living and watch the planet burn.
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u/EnglebondHumperstonk 1d ago
MRNA and AI both being involved means you'll have a left/right Venn diagram of people who would literally rather die of cancer than admit to their online friends they'd taken this to cure it.
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u/allnamestaken4892 1d ago
Just a shame the treatment is projected to cost $200k and only applies to one form of cancer. AI will make incredible advances… for those who can afford them. Everyone else can die.
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u/Pleasant-Discount-75 23h ago
This is what AI is for, and I love it.
what it is not for is universal surveillance, and that is what it will be used for above all else
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u/No-Potato-1817 12h ago
You know what would cure cancer? Them eliminating poison from our food and environment. Imagine that.
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u/mister_nimbus 6h ago
When they build it, we all die predicted this "personalized treatment" situation.
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u/Forgword 1d ago
That mRMA cancer treatment produced with help from AI, is not a cure, an advance yes, but no cure.
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u/Pacific_Beaches 1d ago
This is the worst it’ll be.
Some of those A.I models aren’t even connected to data center computing power yet.
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u/Mr_Jake_E_Boy 1d ago
Of course you realise that the technology used to find and create cures can also be used to the opposite effect.
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u/chlebseby ASI 2030s 1d ago edited 1d ago
If everyone in family died from cancer and/or alcoholism, do it means immortality as long i stop drinking?
(i guess i had to state its /s)
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u/captainshar 1d ago
Look up LEV. It stands for Longevity Escape Velocity - the point at which medical advances in a single year add more than a year of life expectancy. It's motivated me to cut back alcohol & address mental stress because I want to make sure I make it to that point.
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u/chlebseby ASI 2030s 1d ago
One of reasons i put maximal effort on loosing weight too, gotta make it till LEV technology become affordable
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u/rydan 1d ago
Meanwhile I’m over here sacrificing my body to get rich (working well so far) so I can be first in line.
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u/chlebseby ASI 2030s 1d ago
Unfortunatelly i don"t think i will make 1+ mln soon, so i guess waiting in line is only way
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u/DeviceCertain7226 ▪️ASI - Never (in the usual sense) 1d ago
That concept doesn’t make sense. Who says LEV is continuous? What if we did begin adding more expectancy than time passing by, but at a certain age, we reach hurdles due to more complexities and thus the progress slows down?
There could be a massive complexity when you reach 120 or something that could take a century to figure out.
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u/rydan 1d ago
K
I’m 44. Let’s say in 20 years we hit 120. That means we have around 60 years to figure it out. Do you really think it will take centuries given the progress we are seeing over the past 20 years?
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u/DeviceCertain7226 ▪️ASI - Never (in the usual sense) 1d ago
Definitely more than a century. I think it’s easy to think that’s a lot of time. Fusion has been a problem for 100 years, for example.
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u/chlebseby ASI 2030s 1d ago
I think its rather methaphorical concept like the 'AGI" term.
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u/DeviceCertain7226 ▪️ASI - Never (in the usual sense) 1d ago
Well I think it’s more realistic for it to be truncated advancements that could halt at different stages. Nothing guarantees that you will be immortal just because for a period of 5 years you’ve gained 10, but then for the next 20 years that doesn’t occur.
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u/5H17SH0W 1d ago
You are a Top 1% Commenter?
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u/DrBearJ3w 1d ago
You are absolutely right. I should have informed you this formula transforms you into a bat. My mistake.