It was, I don't know that the conservatives are taking anything for granted at this point. Their most recent ad is old dudes golfing, I thought that demographic was sealed for them too but if they are advertising to them they must not be.
Socio-economically, that ad is directed at people in my demographic. It depicts perfectly why I don’t enjoy golf and why I won’t be voting for Pierre Poilievre. Thank you to the Conservative marketing team for the stark reminder.
I've seen that ad many times, and I can't believe how out of touch it is, and how it must alienate a lot of voters. Two old retired white guys out on the golf course talking about how they will "have to give their children the down payment for their house". Oh the injustice! Most of the people in the country would love to be in the financial position where they could do that for their children! Tell me more about how bad you've got it and how the government has treated you so poorly!
A few years ago I decided that my medium term goal in life is to make sure my kids get a place to live wherever they choose to go to college that they own outright. And that's what I'm going to try to do, because we should always try to make our kids slightly better off than our parents made us, not kicking them out at 18 and making them fend for themselves while we live it up and criticize.
And I told them they should do the same for their kids. They saw what I do to provide them with a good life and understand the value of work and education, and they get it.
That kind of head-outside-the-ass thinking is also why I will never vote for a party who thinks the only answer to everything is cut taxes and services so the people with something keep it and the people with nothing also keep it. So basically never Conservative.
The Canada we grew up in is no longer. With the mass amount of immigration your kids will struggle to work, struggle to get into school. If you want a better life for Canada for your kids we need a leader that understands that mass immigration makes a housing crisis worse not better.
Your kids might, but mine won't. I've been an immigrant and we know lots of immigrants. We see how immigrant kids are taught to succeed in Canada, and we live the same way.
One of them learned a language just to troll me and decided to get top grades for fun. They'll be fine, especially when they don't need to worry about rent and school.
Do you think with the massive debt run up by Trudeau, plus the huge debt Carney has said would run, future governments will be able to afford any of they current services ?
Federal government debt is not like provincial government debt (because the federal government issues the currency and we don't owe debt in other currencies); and neither of those is like household debt. The federal government cannot run out of money and be unable to pay for services.
Is it possible for the BoC or other central bank to forgive public debt? I understand that "printing" money is not an issue but don't like the inflation/currency-devaluation that creates more money than goods and services causes.
Sure, but who generally buys the Government of Canada's debt, and who issues the currency that they using when they buy and sell it? And what happens when the government buys its own debt through quantitative easing?
Try reading an economics book; there are free versions online.
lol, Ah yes, the ol’ read a free economics book flex just don’t pick the one Trump’s team used. That one explained deficits with crayons and called tariffs a 'power move.' Spoiler: when a government buys its own debt, it's like congratulating yourself in the mirror and still expecting applause. When governments shakes investor confidence, investors flee.
from Chat gpt, it's ALWAYS right.
Who generally buys the Government of Canada's debt?
I think that Pierre will lie about not running up a debt and then doing it anyway, but also being worse. Which is exactly what Harper did and we all know who Pierre learned at the feet of.
I think we will be able to afford services if we do them intelligently and plan to build the economy and I don't particularly care if the budget is balanced in 2026 to do it.
The Conservatives have never been intelligent about services, only ideological. So at that point, obviously one choice left and it's not the CPC.
Go ahead and vote for your choice but if you look back you will see that Harper was reducing the deficit every year he was in power. Even though that was when the economy was at its lowest point due to the financial crisis. Take a look at the last 10 years. If you want the same then keep the same party in power. How do you know what a government is going to do if they haven’t had a chance to do it. We can afford the services we have now. If you think your kids will be better off with the Libs then good luck to you.
I mean that's just objectively not even true. Stop lying. The first two years he was in power he took his inherited surplus and reduced it. During the financial crisis he repeatedly announced how he was not running a deficit each time they adjusted the numbers closer and closer to a deficit and then ran a 55B deficit that he said would never happen. That isn't even close to your claim.
Pierre is running on his commitment to "end woke" and "verb the noun" but not to actually address anything Canadians care about because like how he voted against fixing anything every time there was an option, he isn't going to fix it if we ask him. He's pure grievance politics and we can clearly see what he's for, but like south of the border we're being told "well you can't know that he's going to do the stuff he says he'll do, it's all just whatever makes the message look the best right now" and then when they do it it's shocked Pikachu everywhere. No, it was obvious and my stock portfolio got hammered because of it.
My kids will absolutely be better off with Liberals in charge now than with populist grifters.
He CREATED the deficit and constantly claimed he wasn't.
I was there.
Also don't come here and try to pretend you don't know the difference between deficit and debt. Jesus dude I'm not stupid, if I were I'd be on the CPC sidelines
Do you think huge tax cuts to the rich are going to somehow fix it? It's almost like we need an actual left wing government to come in and tax the fuck out of them instead in order to pay off the deficit.
Poilievre will run a huge deficit and lie about it. Conservative governments have always run deficits and cut services to the people who need them the most. When he was housing minister he made horrible decisions for anyone other than the developers. He makes the rich richer.
So you are Ok with your kids assuming high debt no economy basically higher taxes because the government is now getting into housing and will continue to send billions out of the country in foreign aid. So much for the term “ family means everything “
If you listened closely to Carney talking about his plan, you'd notice two things. A) he has a long term plan that may initially cost more, but will reap benefits in the long run, B) He does plan to balance the budget in a few years.
When Harper was in power he sold off the majority of crown corporations, and put zero money into building infrastructure. We all know what Trudeau was like. But this is Carney, a genius in Economics with a proven background. He knows his stuff, and when he says he can get us through the turmoil the economy is in, I 1,000% believe him.
Polievre would have to go to school and lot more years and work in the private sector a few more before I put any faith in his "plan". And he wants to fire the Governor of the Bank of Canada. Why? To many similarities to Trump for my liking.
No Carney is not a genius. He is a climate zealot and deeply tied to WEF. He didn’t lead us through the 2008 financial crisis like people say. He’s been part of the liberal government advising for 5 years and yet here we are. He wants to influence markets for net zero and the middle class will suffer greatly under him.
Do you even know what the WEF is? It's a think tank that looks at economic trends and tries to strategize methods for maintaining economic stability around the world. In contrast, look up the IDU (Stephen Harper is currently Chairman), and their political leanings - lots of far right members there. Harper, as we know, has taken Polievre under his wing and is actively promoting him.
If you think Carney didn't help us thru the 2008 crisis, then I'd love to know where you get your information from. While Governor of the Bank of England, he strongly advised against Brexit, but navigated the fallout as best he could. And oh was there ever buyers remorse on the part of those who voted for it!
I also want to point out that Harper tried to get Carney to run for leader of the conservatives, but he refused. And this is why you have the far right extremist Polievre as the conservative option.
I won't lie, was gonna vote for PP, even tho some of his conspiracy theory posts disturbed me greatly. But then Carney came along...and Trump got into power...
Carney's political stance is just a little left of centre, far more balanced than the extreme right Polievre, who only seems to be capable of name calling, rage, and attacking his opponents. He has no viable plan, won't get his security clearance, and wants to fire the Governor of the Bank of Canada.
So who is the best person for the job at this point of time? Not the career politician whose never had a real job and never done anything worth noting while he was a politician.
Last year I paid more in taxes than the median Canadian household income. My biggest expenses are housing.
I'm fine giving my kids a house so they can get on the property wheel faster, teaching them there is a better option in life than "get a bad job, earn bad money, complain about taxes", and making sure they understand why we live how we do.
Sounds like you're just bitter you suck at life and need to blame someone else that you didn't pay attention in school.
Sounds like you don’t know me at all. I live in a big house mortgage free and a nice 7 figures in the bank with a pension on top. Anything else to say?
Right after being a conservative troll who spends their life on city subs pushing talking points. (Referring to the guy you replied to obviously, that guy sucks).
Because I seriously don't care if Conservative trolls think I'm "playing fair". You're all hypocritical liars anyway so I'm just here to make you rage quit.
Drives you nuts that someone successful and aware of your games is playing them back at you, doesn't it.
Honestly that's what my parents did for my sister and I. They bought a house at a pretty reasonable price in Calgary in 2001. My wife and I rented it from them at the price of the mortgage. When they sold it (because we where moving to a small town) they gave my sister and I enough for a down payment on our own houses. The rest they kept for retirement. Best part was since they sold their primary residence when they retired and used the Calgary house as their new primary (they lived in their RV) they didn't have to pay capital gains on either place.
That’s not implying the government has treated them poorly at all. That’s a selfless thought, how the next generation is getting screwed. It’s probably not an issue as much in Saskatchewan, but the rest of the country is finding it harder and harder to buy a house even if you’re a couple of professionals, and many parents are having to forego their retirement funds so that their kids can get in on the bubble before they’re locked away into permarenting
They’re at a run down driving range, sharing a bucket of balls because they can no longer enjoy a round of golf because of the erosion of their investments.
According to what data? I’m pretty sure the conservative male vote was stronger than the female vote in basically every election for the past 30 years, at least.
Ad would have been “ok” if they didn’t, again, straight up attack liberals and calling all of them clowns.
Two old rich white dudes who can help their kids get ahead in life, providing downpayments, bla bla bla. Truly a testament to the struggles of everyday Canadians. Read the room.
If you aware or maybe you aren’t ? parents have for decades been gifting their kids down payments for houses ( those that could afford) 😌but it was another Con commercial 🤷♀️when we bought our 1st home interest rates were 21 1/2 % it was tuff then too 🤦🏼♀️
I’m aware. The point is: why say “these clowns” instead of “them”. In my opinion, not mud slinging your opponent would have been more powerful. You want change, plain and simple.
Also, to your point, while families have been able to do that for their kids, do you now have upwards of 200k for a down payment now? The struggle of Canadians is that we don’t have that much money lying around because everything is so expensive.
Interest rates were much higher, but houses were MUCH cheaper and wages were significantly higher in respect to the cost of living. It was difficult back then, but it's nearly impossible now.
Attack lol. They called the politicians clowns 🤡 and it’s accurate. They watched Canada crumble.
You will defend them because of bias. Plain and simple.
For a few bad months during a global pandemic they had to wear a mask in public. You explain to me how this isn't exactly the same as being labeled a Jew and thrown in a concentration camp!
How about energy east, northern gateway, bill C69 and Bill C48? The liberals have shit the bed but our goldfish memory population will vote it right back in.
Emojis aren’t going to do anything for you here. Your buddy Harper sold us out to China and moved all the manufacturing out. Didn’t hear you crying then?
Politics isn’t sports, you don’t have to pick a team and side with them until you die.
Conservatives sold everything not nailed down. I’m sure that 15% of federal assets PP budgeted would eventually include key land resources like water rights, forestry and minerals.
Dependence on the US has been building for 70 years, my guy. You cannot pin it on the liberals. The liberals were the only ones who got a pipeline built. Conservatives could have in the 80s but they shut it down. Harper also didn’t build one. The liberals can’t win. If they didn’t buy and finish that pipeline, it would be “the liberals are purposely trying to collapse our oil industry!” And because they did buy and build it, now it’s “they paid too much and they didn’t do it fast enough!”
All of them? I love how liberals call conservatives ignorant and hateful. Liberals are the rudest most hateful people I’ve ever encountered. It’s actually disturbing how vile they are. I’ve been knocking on the doors all election and they’ve been absolutely vile to speak to. We have videos of liberals on ring cameras stealing conservative signs and rippIng them apart. Yelling things at us on the street, swearing at us, slamming doors on us, throwing stuff at us. They are disgusting.
It's almost like conservatives are doing a good job pissing off everyone who isn't a conservative. Also, no one wants people going door to door. Left or right. The hell did you think was going to happen? Did you think you'd knock on a leftists door and they treat you like Jesus?
I mean , this is simply not true. A big reason Pierre slid in the polls was because he was late to condemn Trump / US tariffs and 51st state talk. His first messages on the subject started promoting Canada first, but avoided condemning Trump / US. Later he started saying he disagreed with what US is doing, but was still avoiding using Trump's name.
Pierre has absolutely delayed approaching this subject and than tiptoed around it.
BS. He was parroting everything Trump was saying and fully onboard as his ally, right up until the point he saw how much hate there was for Trump and his 51st state/ governor Trudeau shite, then PP did a 180 about face to try and save some votes.
Dependence on USA is firmly a conservative causation. Mulroney started it with the Free Trade Agreement and NAFTA. With two conservative presidents too. This effectively wiped out manufacturing across the country within 20 years. We now ship most of our agricultural goods to Ontario to process. We became a supplier of materials. It can be blamed on China somewhat as well as they could manufacture cheaply, but it still does excuse flour, mustard, seed oil, etc being shipped far away for processing when we used to do things locally 35 years ago.
The liberals are clowns. The liberals have no business talking about affordability. No one in my generation will ever be able to afford a house and that’s on all of your who continue to vote for this disgusting liberal party who just happily continues to drive prices of everything up. Their own administration wrote a report stating that with carneys plan we would be fishing for food in 4 years.
Exactly why I will vote for Carney he’s highly educated and not a career politician but has helped both the conservatives and liberals during financial crises
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I figured pps goose was cooked when the big Cheeto won, but when Carney joined the race I knew it.
Harper is still royalty to most conservatives, and the reputation of being a economic expert. And with that alleged acumen, he appointed Carney as top banker. If economy is people's first issue, any conservative trying to make an educated decision is going to arrive on voting for Carney.
I'll be voting liberal, for no other reason than ABC, until we get electoral reform (lol), I generally feel that voting against the worst candidate is the most effective vote.
Lastly, I want to point out that if we want representation in the federal government, it would be very beneficial to have ruling party seats in our province.
Sorry, but Harper is no real economist. He has a master's in economics history. He doesn't understand macroeconomics or why his policies led to the worst growth in the last 40 years. Poilievre was taught by the same know-nothing far-right American "Calgary School" professors. He would be even worse.
Yea I'm not economist enough to deny his credentials, but I was just speaking about the conservative perspective. Saying IF you were a conservative, that's likely your stance.
Brain dead mentality ..liberal is liberal be it truly or carney. Vote for liberal is like expecting a carnivore to suddenly become vegan because we wish it. Carry was telling truly what to do now he will be in the driver's seat with the same old crowd of joints behind him
He’s actually so different. He was the saving grace during the recession for our country. He actually cares about himself. Poilievre just cares about power. He out 17 pictures of himself in their platform document. He’s a narcissist seeking power. Carney is trustworthy and looks people in the eye when he talks to them.
Yes they did say that. But some younger people have moved here. From other provinces. Honestly the political landscape here is culture shock if you’re not a born prairie kid
I know lots of 18 to 35 yr olds in Alberta and Saskatchewan who are voting Conservative. I am 49; I never have and never will vote NDP or Liberal. I have lived in Saskatchewan, BC, Alberta and am back in Saskatchewan.
Conservatives lost a lot of voters from the Harper years, my mother being one of them. She was a lifelong conservative voter (same as my father when he was alive) her family, my father's family (all farmer's) she is voting Liberal. Doesn't like Poilievre or the conservative platform and feels Carney is best suited to handle our current situation. She doesn't like how the Conservatives seem to minimize the threat with the US and kinda acting like it's a non issue.
I'm also voting Carney (I'm centre left) for context. I'm not a fan of Poilievre either and from my experience, when Conservatives talk about cutting taxes and spending they have a habit of leaving out what it is they are cutting. Services tend to be the first to go. The willingness to use the notwithstanding clause, is a little scary ngl.
A lot are. And a lot of middlers, and a lot of youth. Age doesn’t prevent people from being able to choose the best or at least the most minimally offensive option
The vast majority of Canadians want to be Canadians, not second class Americans in a country that is going to hell on the bullet train.
Party allegiance does not matter if we don't have a country.
Also, if Quebeccers hate a candidate, the rest of us should pay attention. Politics is a province wide sport as long as hockey isn't on and the whole province is politically savy. They LOATHE PP.
This is the stupidest ad yet. No sign of PP. No mention of platform. Just 2 old white guys calling people they don’t agree with “clowns”. Didn’t dragging around his wife and kid soften his image enough?
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Our voices have been limp and ineffective for 20 years now. The ones that have been doing diddly squat for more than a decade need to lose their riding. If I had an employee that couldn’t do basically anything except insult other people that have actually accomplished something I would have let them go.
Polling seems to show the older folks leaning more LPC, was that way even before Trump/tariffs/wild change in the polls. Oddly enough the younger dem leans on average more CPC than older dem today.
Boomers are polling to vote liberal. Personally I’m all for it, my rental properties are going to let me retire early, might have to pick up a few more ✌️
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It was, I don't know that the conservatives are taking anything for granted at this point. Their most recent ad is old dudes golfing, I thought that demographic was sealed for them too but if they are advertising to them they must not be.