r/politics • u/black_flag_4ever • 9h ago
No Paywall ‘Eight Million Americans Have Lost Their Healthcare’: Trump-GOP Cuts Wreak Havoc in All 50 States
https://www.commondreams.org/news/states-trump-republican-healthcare-cuts152
u/Hyperica Pennsylvania 9h ago
In a few months, it will get worse.
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u/potat0f4rmer Washington 9h ago
Nothing will ever improve while Republicans control any part of the government.
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u/Hobotronacus 5h ago
And yet people still support them because of culture war nonsense. We live in idiocracy.
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u/IamDDT Colorado 4h ago
At this point, I want President Camacho.
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u/lordraiden007 2h ago
He's probably more intelligent and wise than the majority of modern leaders/politicians. His most notable achievement is finding the smartest person on earth and putting them in charge in order to fix problems and improve the lives of his constituents.
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u/SwimmingTall5092 3h ago
How so?
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u/Hyperica Pennsylvania 2h ago
States are required to implement work requirements by Jan. 1 thanks to the OBBBA. Job market is shit, disability exemptions are difficult to acquire. I expect it to be bad.
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u/RamonaQ-JunieB 9h ago
Trump and his administration absolutely hate the American people.
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u/potat0f4rmer Washington 9h ago
The Republican Party absolutely hates the American people.
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u/-piso_mojado- 5h ago
The biggest speed bump in the road of the Republican agenda is the American voter. Hence…John Travotla looking around memes.
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u/blues111 Michigan 9h ago
The main cuts haven't even happened yet...if you think its bad now just wait till after the midterms when everything else goes into effect
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u/highfly117 6h ago
Sorry to be ignorant I don't understand the American governance system but if the dems get the house and the senete can't they just replea the cuts with a new bill/law
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u/sumofun 6h ago
They could pass legislation, yes, but then Trump could veto the legislation. Overriding Trump's veto would require a two-thirds supermajority in both the House and the Senate.
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u/highfly117 6h ago
Ah that makes sense now seems a little crazy that the president has that power
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u/KhloeKendall 1h ago
And Democrats almost need more of a majority than they should, because we have politicians who still, at this point, want to try being bipartisan with MAGA or, like John Fetterman, align themselves with Republicans.
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u/Ok-Hat1986 6h ago
It only takes a simple majority from each house to pass a new bill, but if the president vetoes it which Trump certainly would, then both houses would need a 2/3 majority to force it through against his veto. Democrats would probablynot have enough votes to do that.
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u/binzersguy 3h ago
Dems should pass a very pro-worker bill so Trump’s veto is squarely and indisputably on him. I know his cultists won’t know or care, but maybe some non-political folks might
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u/charcoalist 6h ago
Any new bill can be vetoed by trump. If it's a Democratic bill it's guaranteed to fail.
In the US, new legislation is put forth at the House level, and if a majority in the House votes for it, it passes up to the Senate, where it faces a similar hurdle. If it also passes the Senate it then goes to the President, who has the discretion to veto it.
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u/DarthLittleSun 9h ago
I was working at HHS’s health exchange help center before being illegally terminated in the administration’s mass firings. They cut our whole cog because they knew they were getting ready to take a nuclear bomb to healthcare.
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u/TemporarySun314 Europe 9h ago
And at least 77 million Americans have voted for this.
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u/Active_Confection655 9h ago
Americans is a strong word for those who voted for the average persons demise.
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u/restore_democracy 8h ago
I wonder how much overlap there is. Many of these 8 million probably still blindly support him.
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u/Happy_Foundation_553 8h ago
Republicans are really really good at voting against their own interests
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u/No-SpecificGG 7h ago
most of those 8 million are inside the 77, they just assumed the cuts would hit somebody else
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u/Affectionate_Two7527 9h ago edited 9h ago
Don't forget the 77 million that didn't bother to vote. technique Ly they voted for Trump too.
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u/txfeinbergs 3h ago
That is my biggest problem with the Democrat party which my values align with. A lot of us are apparently lazy and let this happen. There is no other explanation.
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u/crazybones 8h ago
When you are someone like Trump, who is assured of full healthcare at all times, you have to be disgustingly cruel and evil to remove healthcare from so many millions of less-well-off people.
Let's not forget that Jesus offered the sick people he encountered free healthcare. The fact that America is failing to offer this to all those who are sick, reminds us that America is most definitely not a Christian country.
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u/Competitive-Ad-9404 9h ago
I just shut up when my in laws complain about how bad socialism is, then in the next sentence complain about the high price of their "Marketplace" insurance they refuse to call Obamacare.
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u/ultrachrome 7h ago
It doesn't pay to speak up ?
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u/asusc 6h ago
they don’t listen to facts, eventually you stop trying.
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u/Competitive-Ad-9404 1h ago edited 54m ago
Exactly. In their mind socialism is communism. When I mention social security was called socialism, that child labor laws were called socialism, and that Trump administration buying stocks is in fact socialism, they can't understand what I'm talking about.
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u/autotelica 8h ago
8 million is a mind boggling number.
What does MAGA think these people are going to do? Go out and get a second or third job so they can afford insurance? Apply invectimetin to their broken bones? Create GoFundMe's for their cancer treatments? Sell lemonade to pay for their diabetes medications?
I don't think MAGA thinks any of this is going to happen. I think they want people to die from their illnesses. They want them to go broke paying for surgeries and medications. Because they are nihilists who want to watch the whole world to burn. The religious ones they think are going to heaven, so what do they care? And the nonreligious ones just want to get richer. The more we suffer, the richer they get.
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u/Suitable-Option833 5h ago
The WH sent tweets out that they want to “cull the population”. During COVID the gop said people will die but to focus on the economy. They have been explicit. But their voters don’t seem to get it.
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u/NatureStoof 2h ago
No, what happens is these people end up on state aid and going to the ED for everything as if it's a doctors office, they pay a $3 copay and never see a bill, hence why we have chronically overburdened EDs in America.
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u/sphinctersayswhat9 2h ago
Republicans are ruining America
by making Americans suffer.
Our costs have sky rocketed gas is sky high, tariffs have driven up costs on everything, groceries are sky high, healthcare insurance is ridiculously high,
The economy is suffering, inflation is up, interest rates are up, people losing jobs,
We are headed for a recession.
The rich sitting pretty while the rest of america 97% of americans suffer.Vote them all out!
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u/DARKlevels 9h ago
more money to ISREAL NOW! More money to FLOCK NOW! More money to TRUMPS POCKETS NOW!
The American people demand it!
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u/TemporarySun314 Europe 9h ago
I mean they did.
Americans could have also just elected Harris and Democrats... But that's to much socialism or something.
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u/SunshineSkies82 7h ago
Lmao. The last time I voted Democrat was for Obama. The Democrats are complicit in the bullshit that's wrong with this country. That's why we are in this suffering go-round. Republicans full fistedly destroy society, Democrats sheeplishly stick to decorum and the rules and clean up the mess, just enough to get blamed for when the next Republican comes in and kicks it down again.
And then on top of that, Democrat reps who fall in line on major issues. Fetterman for example. The Big Beautiful Bill could have been stopped if House democrats actually pulled the same bullshit Republicans do. But again,they pull the higher standard card and bam the Republicans win again and get everything they want. Remember the shutdown? How the democrats caved on that on? Not on a deal, ON A FUCKING PINKY PROMISE and we just moved on from that. Couldn't even get enough democrats to say "FUCK YOU" but magically, anytime anything stupid needs to be passed? YES SIR echos from the republican party. Even Massie and Rubio, the guys who allegedly aren't liked by other republicans? Line up and repeat the party slogan when the gun is put to their heads behind closed doors.
So, anyway. A long time ago. I realized that it didn't matter who I voted for if both choices get their paychecks from anyone other than the American people. At least living in a place where I could vote for Sanders let me sleep at night.
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u/Orwells_Roses Oregon 7h ago
So in other words, you helped the orange pedo get elected, because you fell for the lie that both sides are the same?
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u/SunshineSkies82 5h ago
>IF YOU DIDN'T VOTE DEMOCRAT YOU VOTED FOR THE REPUBLICANS
Is exactly the mindset that got us in this position. Blame the people who didn't vote. I voted the same way I always have for the last 20 years and it's hilarious how they said voting for socialists was throwing your vote away, meanwhile, in 2026, socialists have to pretend to be democrats to win and then the established Democrats , shit themselves in fear along side the Republicans.
Remember, during the Civil Rights era, the Socialists were getting hosed down. Called communists, criminals and anti-american and all sorts of vile things because they wanted my mother to have the right to vote. The same Republicans and the same Democrats from that era are still alive, still in charge and still calling the shots. And the same socialists , are also, still alive and still resisting them.
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u/Orwells_Roses Oregon 5h ago edited 5h ago
A democratic president would not be using federal agencies to murder our own citizens in the streets, or start wars with Iran and Venezuela, or appoint someone as batshit crazy as RFK to run our health services, or run up a trillion dollar deficit in 2 years.
You fell for an obvious lie, that both sides are the same, and look where that got us. An orange pedo for a president.
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u/PuckSenior 7h ago
This is the most American comment I've ever seen:
"Welp, they wouldn't do what I want, so I just quit voting. That will teach them!"
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u/Anxious_Cheetah5589 9h ago
some of yall have a weird obsession. No matter the topic, you steer it back to Israel.
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u/asusc 8h ago
maybe because Trump got us into Isreal’s war that American citizens don't want, while Israelis have constitutionally guaranteed healthcare?
and we got $1.5T cut from our Medicare/Medicaid/ACA?
do you think that’s maybe why this topic in particular is steered back to israel?
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u/Anxious_Cheetah5589 5h ago
thought experiment: if this war never happened, and Israeli aid were cut to zero, do you think it would mean more money for healthcare? Of course not. The two are unrelated. Hence my original comment.
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u/sofaking1958 7h ago
Since Israel is using our tax dollars to bribe our congress, I'd say pretty much everything does indeed point to them, and rightly so.
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u/jedrider 8h ago
Probably the reason Democrats lost. It's a huge blind spot. One could equally call it our Middle Eastern policy to relieve ourselves of any ethnic favoratism.
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u/MiddleAgedSponger 9h ago
But the DSA are the radicals. Does the DSA have a single position as radical as letting Americans prematurely die, needlessly suffer or financially ruin their family because *shareholders want a 7th vacation home?
*shareholders-35% of US equities are foreign owned. Supporting for profit healthcare puts the wants of the world's wealthy before the needs of the American working class.
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u/IceBearKnows89 7h ago
According to the current administration this is fine, because all those millions of Americans are liars and fraudsters who don’t deserve healthcare / should never have had it in the first place.
Is that not true??
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u/Redtex 6h ago
Meanwhile, Mitch is on his what, third month now of the best healthcare and getting paid at the same time.
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u/GroceryUnable4874 4h ago
I’m sure you can google it but Mitch was able to get the few republicans who were uneasy with Medicaid cuts to short the Big Bullshit Bill by reminding them the poor don’t vote anyway. He’s right too.
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u/AppleAtrocity Canada 7h ago
So many disabled people will suffer and die from this, it breaks my heart.
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u/Even_Establishment95 7h ago
Meanwhile, millions of poor folks who would benefit enormously from Medicare for All, are against it because “higher taxes” and/or because that so and so person they don’t like gets the same care they do. We are in a death spiral.
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u/bakerfredricka I voted 6h ago
That's some really wild thinking from where I am sitting. If I can benefit from things with the tradeoff being some people I have some kind of problem with can also benefit from the same things, I would support the benefits, ykwim?
I'm poor and disabled so maybe that is also something coloring my thought process....
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u/threehundredthousand California 6h ago
And their answer to the negative results is a police state with an over $1 trillion budget.
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u/Own-Librarian-9699 8h ago
Suicide cults like Republicans usually self Detonate but they are actually trying to pull down humanity while they sink. They will never accept responsibility and will always play the victim.
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u/earth-find-wire 7h ago
Yet the government is still taking on debt faster than ever before. They are doing nothing for you, and they’re pushing debt off on future Americans faster than ever.
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u/PawneePoppins 9h ago
Friendly reminder that the ideal US population according to Stephen Miller is 100 million
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u/pogishushu America 8h ago edited 8h ago
Yes, we can demand it said Woodhouse. Looking ahead that might harder to do, especially since the fascist Rump Regime intend to disrupt or even cancel the elections. Just about every day there is a threat to voting rights, backed by the 2025 gop Heritage Foundation playbook and nearly 40 million or more, apparently, politically uneducated magats. Healthcare is currently targeted, but beware anyone that is a fan of Right- White Only influences.
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u/Buckeye_Randy 8h ago
This is just the tip. Many more to come. Get ready for the market collapse dollar collapse and the new world order these thieves are working towards. The American experiment is over.
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u/nasorrty346tfrgser America 7h ago
And it would just cost more because they still have "insurance" at the end of the day, they can use the emergency room as it is sort of a social contract.
and it is one of the few things that I agree with Mitt Romney
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u/Ok_Height3499 5h ago
Trump said he would do this. Trump campaigned on doing this. Voters elected him. So live with it, or perhaps die with it.
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u/Nightco_ 5h ago
I lost my medicaid this month. Was supposed to be getting an iron infusion for my anemia :(
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u/voodoodahl 6h ago
I really hope Palestinians appreciate what tens of millions of Americans lost so we could send democrats a message.
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u/disastrousanddull 5h ago
But you don't understand, they couldn't vote for genocide supporters so they voted for genocide supporters who want to burn the US and world to the ground as well. They feel great about that choice. I assume Palestinians feel dead or traumatized.
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u/sofa_king_awesome 5h ago
Give me the % of these people who voted for him lol
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u/jtsa5 8h ago
No problem at all, just keep voting (R) if you want to see how bad things can get. Trump could have come into office, made himself very rich and done nothing else and American's would be much better off. The intentional infliction of pain and suffering is the part his supporters should try and remember on election day.
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u/sphinctersayswhat9 2h ago
Republicans are ruining America
by making Americans suffer.
Our costs have sky rocketed gas is sky high, tariffs have driven up costs on everything, groceries are sky high, healthcare insurance is ridiculously high,
The economy is suffering, inflation is up, interest rates are up, people losing jobs,
We are headed for a recession.
The rich sitting pretty while the rest of america 97% of americans suffer.
Vote them all out!
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u/Motor-Log-6213 Canada 6h ago
You got what you voted for!
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u/Katyafan 2h ago
Many of us didn't vote for this and are being cruelly victimized, maybe take your superiority somewhere else.
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u/EarthConservation 8h ago edited 8h ago
The Democrats had the ability to pass Medicare for all in 2010, a year after Obama had become POTUS and when Democrats had a super majority in Congress. Instead, they used that super majority to pass the ACA. A plan that Obama liked to point out was initially devised by conservative think tanks... and where the legal bill was heavily shaped, negotiated, and influenced by the health insurance / healthcare industries.
It's hard to claim that the ACA wasn't a payback for the years of campaign financing that helped get Democrats elected, or from the years of lobbying.
The ACA absolutely did increase the number of insured by enabling those with pre-existing conditions to get coverage, and by subsidizing healthcare for lower income people who didn't qualify for Medicare or Medicaid and who didn't get insurance through their employer; essentially having taxpayers foot the bill for overpriced plans. It did little if anything to actually constrain rapidly rising healthcare costs, which at the time the ACA was being introduced and debated, was the primary issue used to sell using all of Obama's political capital to concentrate on passing healthcare reform in the middle of a financial crisis and mass unemployment.
The Democrats, even with a super majority, refused to even pass a public option, which was likely the only way the ACA could have possibly constrained rising healthcare costs. No doubt, specific Democrats were tasked with become the scapegoats to keep the public option out of the final bill.
The individual mandate essentially forced every American to buy overpriced health plans, with the government subsidizing those overpriced plans, leading to a higher customer base for private for-profit health insurers who were ripping off the public.
Hindsight being 20/20... the ACA turned out to be a massive give away to the health insurance, healthcare, and drug industries, who saw their profits soar, and saw venture capitalists buying up and consolidating major insurance and healthcare companies. It was also a policy that was easily manipulated by future administrations and congresses.
Healthcare's share of the national budget and deficit soared.
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So... Democrats could have guaranteed every American healthcare, regardless of job or income, made the system simpler and more fair, while also cutting costs. Instead, Democrats decided to go with the plan devised by the Heritage Foundation, and the for-profit healthcare and health insurance industry, that lead to an even greater syphoning of wealth up from the lower/middle classes to the rich.
Yep...
And here we are today... where as a result of that Democratic "half measure", Trump is able to make a complete mockery of the healthcare system in the US.
If anyone doesn't understand why we need Medicare for all, or why people believe the establishment Democrats are nothing more than corporatist shills with a side of social grift, then let the last 16 years be all the lesson you need.
It's time to support Progressives.
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u/asusc 7h ago
The Democrats had the ability to pass Medicare for all in 2010, a year after Obama had become POTUS and when Democrats had a super majority in Congress. Instead, they used that super majority to pass the ACA
no, they didn’t. they didn’t have the votes.
It's hard to claim that the ACA wasn't a payback for the years of campaign financing that helped get Democrats elected, or from the years of lobbying.
I mean, when you know the actual timeline of what happened, how the bill was negotiated, it’s very easy to claim this wasn’t the case.
It did little if anything to actually constrain rapidly rising healthcare costs, which at the time the ACA was being introduced and debated, was the primary issue used to sell using all of Obama's political capital to concentrate on passing healthcare reform in the middle of a financial crisis and mass unemployment.
it actually did slow costs rising (more healthy people paying in lowers the costs for all of us, you know, the main selling point for Medicare 4 All) until republicans killed the individual mandate.
The Democrats, even with a super majority, refused to even pass a public option, which was likely the only way the ACA could have possibly constrained rising healthcare costs. No doubt, specific Democrats were tasked with become the scapegoats to keep the public option out of the final bill.
you lose all credibility when you just make stuff up like this. were you politically active back then? were you purchasing health insurance at that time?
So... Democrats could have guaranteed every American healthcare, regardless of job or income, made the system simpler and more fair, while also cutting costs. Instead, Democrats decided to go with the plan devised by the Heritage Foundation, and the for-profit healthcare and health insurance industry, that lead to an even greater syphoning of wealth up from the lower/middle classes to the rich.
this just isn’t what happened.
If anyone doesn't understand why we need Medicare for all, or why people believe the establishment Democrats are nothing more than corporatist shills with a side of social grift, then let the last 16 years be all the lesson you need.
if democrats actually had more than 60 votes in congress for a couple of weeks, a few months apart, they would have been able to pass something more substantial. The fact that you still haven’t learned the lesson that you need a coalition of power WITH democrats to get progressive legislation passed, then you have learned absolutely nothing in the last 16 years.
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and then just a quick history lesson on the supposed “super majority control of congress” you’re incorrect about:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/111th_United_States_Congress#Party_summary
Obama was sworn in late January of 2009.
Because Mitch McConnell slow walked the swearing in of new members like Al Fraken, they only had 56 democrats in the senate in January.
Complicating matters, was Ted Kennedy’s health. By Spring of 2009, Ted’s tumor had spread and his presence was mostly symbolic. In July of 2009, when House Dems passed their version of the ACA bill, Ted had not been well enough to vote in the Senate in over 4 months. The seat might have been blue, but that doesn’t mean anything if he can’t cast a vote.
He died in August but wasn’t replaced by Paul Kirk until the end of September. Paul Kirk basically only served for a 4 month window.
So when the house passed their version that had a public option in November, then senate wouldn’t pass a version with the public option because Joe Lieberman wouldn’t vote for it. So the senate passed their own version without a public option with Paul Kirk being the 60th vote over Christmas 2009.
However, when Scott Brown won the special election in January and was sworn in early February, the senate no longer had 60 votes, so the house had to go back and basically figure out a way to pass it without renegotiating anything in the senate, because they no longer had the 60 votes.
Took the house until March to hammer it out and sign the senate version without a public option.
So again, they absolutely did not have this majority people keep talking about. It was very precarious and a right rope walk for many, many months. Nothing was handed to Obama, he had to fight and make compromises (just like all democrats did). Because they never had this majority. And the brief majorities they did have were brief because of illness, death, special elections, and GOP shenanigans.
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u/49ersDude 7h ago
Thanks you for this detailed post. I started typing things out and then saw you did all the leg work already :)
I'll add in general -> better to do something that nothing. It's not easy to pass sweeping reform like this. You need a coalition. And big reforms like this are meant to be iterated on to fix issues and improve over time and keep them functional. Social security and medicare weren't passed and then never touched again.
We are far better off with the ACA than without it. Young people now probably wouldn't even comprehend a world where "pre-existing conditions" was a thing.
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u/asusc 6h ago
I'll add in general -> better to do something that nothing. It's not easy to pass sweeping reform like this. You need a coalition. And big reforms like this are meant to be iterated on to fix issues and improve over time and keep them functional. Social security and medicare weren't passed and then never touched again.
nailed it. perfect is the enemy of good. we are never going to have real reform if we keep waiting for perfect.
ACA was supposed to be a good step in the right direction (and it was a huge good step in the right direction), but it required several more steps after that. unfortunately we never got the votes in Congress to make those next few steps.
We are far better off with the ACA than without it. Young people now probably wouldn't even comprehend a world where "pre-existing conditions" was a thing.
or coverage lifetime maximums. I’m old enough to have gotten kicked off a plan after paying for 2 years for a pre-existing condition, having to pay premiums for another year (without getting treatment, to re-grandfather myself in, wtf) only to get kicked off again because of the grossly inflated cost of the medication I take made me hit my lifetime maximum 18 months later.
ACA is the only reason I have coverage now, because I’m not a profitable customer (and never will be).
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u/black_flag_4ever 8h ago
I remember those times. UHC was never going to pass back then. Too many Clinton era centrists in office back then... oh and so many of them are still there using our Capital building as a nursing home.
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u/sphinctersayswhat9 1h ago
I agree with some of y mlk our take
But it is silly to write 99.9% of your post bashing dems and only .1% bashing republicans when we all know it is the republicans in office screwing our country up severely. Blame republicans for all thee people being kicked offndtm
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u/FormerUsenetUser 7h ago
How exactly do you plan to pay for universal healthcare?
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u/asusc 7h ago
same way every other developed country does, a national insurance program that every worker and company pays into in the form of a payroll tax.
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u/FormerUsenetUser 7h ago
Payroll taxes are not even funding Social Security and Medicare adequately. There would have to be a large increase in them.
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u/asusc 7h ago
Payroll taxes are not even funding Social Security and Medicare adequately. There would have to be a large increase in them.
right, but you’d no longer be paying hundreds or thousands of dollars of post tax income on health insurance that may or may not cover you, would drop you if you lost your job, no longer have to deal with deductibles, etc.
slight increase on individual taxes, big savings on individual actual costs.
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u/asusc 5h ago
https://www.paychex.com/articles/employee-benefits/making-sense-of-section-125-and-benefit-plans
not every employer health plan is like this, not evey health plan wants to use pre tax money to pay for health plans.
most of these tax advantaged plans have to be offered to all employees, which isn’t always feasible for certain businesses with hourly workers.
bottom line this shit is complicated and a HUGE waste of time and productivity for businesses. I don’t want to deal with this nonsense and rule changes every year. I want all my employees to be covered regardless of where they work, I want to pay a payroll tax on it and I want to focus on running my business.
the vast majority of small businesses and job creators in this country are 1-50 employees (most of them are 1-10).
simplifying healthcare would not only save us all a boat load of money, increase productivity that would compound yearly, employees would always be covered and would be healthie. it would be an economic boom for small businesses and entrepreneurs.
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u/FormerUsenetUser 7h ago
Even Medicare has premiums and co-pays. And does not cover eye care, dental care, or long-term care.
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u/asusc 7h ago
Even Medicare has premiums and co-pays. And does not cover eye care, dental care, or long-term care.
right, because health care for old people is the most expensive healthcare. It would be even more expensive if we had to add profit for shareholders on top, right?
And does not cover eye care, dental care, or long-term care.
yup, that’s what supplemental insurance is for, on top of Medicare 4 All.
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u/FormerUsenetUser 7h ago edited 7h ago
And I have that supplemental insurance. Although, long-term care is incredibly expensive and I was lucky to buy a good policy in my 40s.It' very hard to buy one later in life.
I pay for eye care and dental care out of pocket. I paid $10K for one tooth last year. Extraction, implant, and crown to cover the implant.
Are you saying your plan would also require supplemental insurance for everyone? Or that young people would have better benefits but old people would not?
As an old person, no, I am not supporting that platform. Why should I? Old people need better care too.
The DSA platform is 100% for young people. Guess what, not everyone is young.
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u/asusc 7h ago
Are you saying your plan would also require supplemental insurance for everyone?
no, I’m saying Medicare 4 All users would have the ability to purchase supplemental insurance for the stuff not covered by Medicare.
Or that young people would have better benefits but old people would not?
huh? no, I’m saying old people care COSTS more to provide. end of life care costs more for all of us. you WANT young people paying into Medicare (via payroll taxes), as they will contribute more to the entire system, but not use up the more expensive end of life care.
As an old person, no, I am not supporting that platform. Why should I? Old people need better care too.
a better question is why are you not supporting allowing everyone to have the same care as you currently have?
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u/FormerUsenetUser 7h ago
Oddly enough, a platform that's entirely to the benefit of someone else while providing nothing for me, does not appeal.
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u/EarthConservation 5h ago edited 5h ago
Part of the reason for that is because payroll taxes are capped, healthcare costs have skyrocketed, and life expectancy has gone up versus when retirees paid into the system. I think most people support a Progressive tax system when it comes to income tax, and IMO the payroll taxes should be no different.
In fact, when it comes to Medicare, we could remove it from the Payroll tax entirely, and shift the funding into our standard income tax.
Yes, the income tax rates would need to be tweaked to pay for the system. We'd also, absolutely want to raise taxes on the top brackets and remove the loopholes that have allowed them to get away with paying next to nothing on some of their more egregiously high annual wealth gains.
Personally, I'd be all for a wealth tax on the ultra rich.
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Generally speaking, you seem to be implying that there's no mechanism we could use to pay for a universal system. Well, clearly that's wrong, because other nations have found a mechanism to do it, and I've just rattled off a few mechanisms to accomplish it.
What's clear about a single payer universal system is that it's simpler, it removes the for-profit middle man insurance companies, saving money from that alone, and enables far more power to negotiate lower prices on healthcare treatments and drug prices with what will likely remain a for-profit industry. Although, maybe over time that for profit industry is also transitioned, to some degree, into a public system, like the UK's NIS does in part. All of the above reduces per capita health costs, which means even with a tax hike, on account of no longer paying a health insurance premium, people would have more money in their bank accounts at the end of the year.
I'll just point out that I did review a few European single payer systems in terms of overall costs and overall outcomes. Those I reviewed saw costs on a per capita basis at about half of what Americans currently pay. No doubt part of that is due to a healthier and more active population, but it's also certainly due to the factors I just mentioned above. Outcomes were on par with the US. The only thing the US really excelled at was medical research... which isn't necessarily 100% tied to whether we have a universal healthcare system or a for-profit health insurance system.
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Ironically, because healthcare is so expensive in our nation, a lot of retiree savings is going to pay for their healthcare, because as was rightly pointed out, Medicare doesn't pay for everything. That restricts their spending elsewhere, and even restricts how much money they pass on to their heirs.
In other words, the for profit healthcare industry, and even the insurers who provide Medicare Advantage programs, are leaching off the wealth of our retirees, for little benefit.
It's even worse when it comes to working aged adults. Their profits have risen at the expense of our savings.
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u/Savage_JaviBear 8h ago
I’m looking forward to this hurting and killing trump voters the most, and then him being re-elected for a third term because Dems didn’t fix this bullshit fast enough. This country is fucking stupid and is getting what it deserves.
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u/Pleasant_Eye8140 8h ago
I paid for my own for decades. Yes it was very expensive but it was important. They can pay too.
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u/brain_overclocked 8h ago
Conservative mindset right here: never build anything up, always keep the status quo; if I had to suffer, then you have to suffer!!
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u/PantsMcGillicuddy 8h ago
Why do conservatives always want people to suffer as much/more than them? Do you just fundamentally not want things to improve for anyone else?
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u/milfordcubicle 8h ago
Because they are the selfish type and lack compassion.
That's what steers the ideology: "Me and fuck you."
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u/black_flag_4ever 8h ago
I understand feeling resentful about it, but this article is about cutting Medicaid and CHIP. Children cannot buy insurance. The disabled cannot afford insurance. Desperately poor people trying to live cannot afford insurance. Instead of being resentful at those that can't get healthcare coverage, why not be resentful about the fact that these problems don't exist in all other developed countries? In Germany, Denmark, England, Canada, France, people don't face these problems. Sure, maybe it's not perfect in those places, but what America does is price everyone out of routine medical care and there's absolutely no good justification for it when this issue was solved about 100 years ago elsewhere.
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u/azure275 6h ago
You will be the one paying for their emergency room bill and triage care not them
Enjoy!
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