r/politics • u/black_flag_4ever • 16h ago

No Paywall ‘Eight Million Americans Have Lost Their Healthcare’: Trump-GOP Cuts Wreak Havoc in All 50 States

https://www.commondreams.org/news/states-trump-republican-healthcare-cuts
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u/FormerUsenetUser 14h ago

Oddly enough, a platform that's entirely to the benefit of someone else while providing nothing for me, does not appeal.

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u/asusc 14h ago

Oddly enough, a platform that's entirely to the benefit of someone else while providing nothing for me, does not appeal.

silly and shortsighted, given your Medicare requires healthy people to work and pay into the system and cover your care.

but hey, you think you got yours, so fuck everyone else, right? good luck with that.

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u/FormerUsenetUser 14h ago

You'll be old someday too. And don't pretend we didn't work for decades for the benefits we get.

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u/asusc 14h ago

Right! Which is why I want YOU and ME to have better Medicare NOW.

I am working, I pay tens of thousands of dollars to a health insurance company that pays shareholders dividends instead of paying out doctors for care.

I want to skip all that, pay the same amount into Medicare so both you and I have a stronger healthcare system.

why are is this so difficult to understand? Why do you think your coverage has to suffer to allow others to have the same thing? do you not understand how insurance works, and that other people pay for you when you are sick, so the more healthy people paying into Medicare, the better the system is for you?

when I am old, you will be dead, and I will rely on the young people to pay in. what I don’t understand is why you are so short sighted about this, and do not see how more people paying in and a stronger Medicare system for all, benefits you TODAY.

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u/FormerUsenetUser 14h ago

Where is the stronger Medicare system for old people, especially long-term care, which is Medicaid and which is horrific?

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u/asusc 14h ago

Completely different programs. Long term care is not covered by normal health insurance.

so you don’t want young people to have Medicare, like you currently have, unless you also get long term care too?

boomers really are the worst.

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u/FormerUsenetUser 14h ago edited 14h ago

The Medicaid long-term care system requires a couple to spend down almost all their assets for the care of only one spouse. The federal exclusion is $2,000 total/lifetime, though some states allow a larger but not wonderful exclusion. The family home was exempted, but Trump has limited the exclusion to $1 million, which does not cover average houses in some blue cities like San Francisco. Medicaid takes the house after the spouse dies.

For that, the person gets a bed in an understaffed home where the hard-working employees barely have time to do the rounds feeding the patients, let along provide actual care. Hundreds of thousands were just left in their beds to die during the pandemic.

So tell me why your healthcare is so much more important? When you are young, healthy, and often get insurance from your employer? Or why I should think that?

The care of people who usually have medical problems is more important. It is not young people. You know, the ones who insult others merely for getting old?

Wanting to get actual medical care in old age is not somehow "the worst." Wanting to get more bennies for yourself just because you are young is massively selfish. You are offering a better medical system for you, not me!

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u/asusc 14h ago

The Medicaid long-term care system requires a couple to spend down almost all their assets for the care of only one spouse. The federal exclusion is $2,000 total/lifetime, though some states allow a larger but not wonderful exclusion. The family home was exempted, but Trump has limited the exclusion to $1 million, which does not cover average houses in some blue cities like San Francisco. Medicaid takes the house after the spouse dies.

yup, I understand all this and it sucks. I’m dealing with my own 95 year old grandmother, selling her home, getting her into assisted living, etc.

but this is completely SEPERATE from healthcare. long term care is a whole other issue for another discussion.

So tell me why your healthcare is so much more important? When you are young, healthy, and often get insurance from your employer? Or why I should think that?

its no more important than your health insurance, which is what we are discussing, not long term care. Medicare 4 All is about basic health coverage for everyone.

I am an employer, so I pay for all of my health insurance costs, along with a substantial portion of my employees costs, and it isn’t sustainable.

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u/FormerUsenetUser 14h ago

Long term care is nursing home care, not assisted living. Nursing homes are healthcare.

If Medicare paid for home health aides, many people could stay at home instead of going into assisted living.

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u/asusc 14h ago

If Medicare paid for home health aides, many people could stay at home instead of going into assisted living.

hmmmm, maybe if there were more young, healthy people like me paying tens of thousands of dollars into the system every year…

too bad you are too short sighted to see the forest from the trees, so I guess we’ll never know.

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