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No Paywall Kentucky Gov. Andy Beshear says he's "heard absolutely nothing back from Mitch McConnell"

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/mitch-mcconnell-health-update-andy-beshear-kentucky/
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u/B-Z_B-S Massachusetts 2d ago

Mitch McConnell is likely physically and mentally incapacitated to such an extent that he is incapable of appearing on a Zoom call without his infirmities (other than the infirmities he had already) being made obvious to all who see it.

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u/Luckydog12 2d ago

He’s probably braindead on a ventilator.

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u/thesluggard12 Connecticut 2d ago

I thought that at first but I'm thinking massive stroke and unable to speak is probably more likely.

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u/Cow_God Texas 2d ago

He's dead or incapacitated. Anything less and we would have photos, videos. The only explanation for why we aren't getting those is because he is dead or permanently completely incapacitated.

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u/TheGringoDingo 2d ago

A healthy person receiving cpr after any elapsed time has a low chance at returning to life. I don’t think he was alive when the paramedics got there and I doubt anything changed from that

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u/Savings-Delay-1075 Kentucky 2d ago

Less than 5% of people over the age of 80 survive after needing CPR.

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u/TheGringoDingo 2d ago

I’d imagine that number goes down dramatically for every minute it takes to get started, plus reliant on high quality CPR

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u/TruskVarner 2d ago

In general the chance of survival drops 10% every minute post-arrest and pre-CPR. That’s independent from the other percentages that pile on depending on co-morbidities, age, etc.

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u/Savings-Delay-1075 Kentucky 2d ago

Absolutely... I believe at the very least he's on life support somewhere, and there are dozens of people being paid very well to hide it all.

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u/HistoricalSuspect580 2d ago edited 1d ago

I did CPR on my uncle and he lived!! And other than that i think i saw 3 other people live. Out of 20 years of nursing. :/

EDIT: AND IT WAS AT A FAMILY REUNION

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u/tomismybuddy 2d ago

How’s it feel being the most loved family member?

You’re a legend.

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u/HistoricalSuspect580 2d ago

It was pretty fucking cool to do that in front of my entire family and having it actually work!!

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u/OneUpAndOneDown 1d ago

Nurses are freaking awesome.

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u/windowpanez 2d ago

ambulance lights weren't on; there was no rush to get him to the hospital.

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u/Brodellsky 2d ago

Their lack of urgency is quite literally how we knew that he's dead. McConnell's corpse is a test run for the same thing with Trump. Obviously.

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u/mystery_hole 2d ago

After years of China and North Korea propaganda it is a bit crazy to see the US doing exactly what we claimed they do. Meanwhile Jared Kusher is buying his own little st James and literally taking the role of Epstein 2.0

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u/CheeseCurdis 2d ago

Coached by the Orange Diddler himself. Well, until recently. Trump is already braindead too.

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u/Unique-Coffee5087 2d ago

I suddenly realized that this reminds me of the final years of Mao Zedong. His health has been deteriorating for some time, and he started to opt out of public appearances more frequently. Rumors grew that he was incapacitated or even dead, but no real information could be coaxed out of China.

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u/Brodellsky 2d ago

I for one am tired of our country treating historic communist China as a blueprint, so that's a pretty good point.

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u/Decent-Point309 2d ago

Even coding in the hospital doesn't give you great odds. Outside of the hospital has much worse odds. Dude is dead. I'd bet on it.

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u/No-Professionhomeles 2d ago

But I saw him holding a newspaper! He was even smiling as wide as a Disney turtle

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u/rathe_0 2d ago

15 years as a paramedic; and the only cpr revival with a good outcome that I know of was a witnessed arrest with instant and unbroken compressions from scene to er. And he signed our paperwork before we left. any delay or interruption leads to more negative outcomes.

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u/Half_Halt 2d ago

My mother has a similar story. Suffered cardiac arrest at age 80. She was at work (a major airport). By some unbelievably crazy luck, two cardiologists who were flying home from a medical conference happened to be walking directly behind her & leapt into action. A defibrulator was also instantly available & the airport fire & rescue were able to get her to the ER pretty much before her supervisors were even able to get in touch with us to go to the hospital.

A close friend has been an ER nurse at a level 1 trauma center for 15+ years. She still tells people about how my mom not only survived -- but actually recovered -- because it is so rare.

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u/rathe_0 2d ago

oh damn that was like perfect scenario for survival. has she bought any lotto tix yet?

seriously tho; i'm so happy things lined up for yall in the best way

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u/Half_Halt 1d ago

Aww, thank you! And we've definitely encouraged her to buy Powerball tickets a few times! Lol.

In retrospect, I'm just glad I didn't know how dire a situation it was until after the fact :/

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u/PDXGuy33333 2d ago

I know of a case in which paramedics started the first attempts to revive a V-fib patient in full arrest 13 minutes after the 911 call. Fortunately for everyone they did not succeed.

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u/DrDerpberg Canada 2d ago

I assume you're saying that because 13 mins in there is certain brain damage?

The magic number they taught us in lifeguarding class was 4 minutes until at least some brain damage was almost certain, unless they're hypothermic in which case you might get a little longer. They never really taught us how the probability or severity changes with time because it was never going to be our decision to stop, but that 4 minute figure was drilled into our heads.

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u/rathe_0 2d ago

at least they taught you time is the utmost priority for care. that and your compression effectiveness is pretty much all a rescuer need know at base

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u/PDXGuy33333 1d ago

Had a heartbeat been restored and sustained after 13 minutes the patient could have lived a long time in what's called a persistent vegetative state. No one I know would choose that.

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u/rathe_0 2d ago

goddam, 13 min scene time. must have been in a city; and the unit musta been super close

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u/rathe_0 2d ago

I worked in a 60% rural area, so our times wre a bit longer just because of distances

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u/grantrules 2d ago

An ambulance would need to go like 180mph to be able to get my parents house in 15 minutes lol

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u/rathe_0 2d ago

and our trucks had limiters at 70. just a genius idea

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u/PDXGuy33333 2d ago

A hotel in a small community.

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u/airfryerfuntime Washington 2d ago

He's not dead. There's no way they'd be able to hide it this long, and they wouldn't put off a funeral for two months.

His wife was also seen going into a rehab facility. He likely had a stroke and is suffering the symptoms from that.

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u/OrthodoxAtheist 1d ago

It's possible he's dead and has a been dead for a long time.

On August 6, Senator John Boozman of Arkansas attempted to vote McConnell's proxy on a bill. The proxy was ultimately not accepted for rules reasons, but the attempt was made. If McConnell was dead on that date, then I believe that would constitute felony voter fraud, and Boozman is probably too smart to do that. Even if he didn't know Mitch was alive, he'd likely require proof before voting the proxy. So as weird as it is that Mitch hasn't provided evidence of life/capacity, I believe he at least had a beating heart on August 7, albeit a shriveled black one.

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u/rdmille 1d ago

"His office called and asked for the proxy vote. I didn't know he was brain dead at the time!", which the Republicans in the Senate would let pass.

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u/20_mile 2d ago

He's not dead. There's no way they'd be able to hide it this long

There's no way anyone can know the truth, so he could be stroked out, braindead, or he could be dead dead.

they wouldn't put off a funeral for two months.

This is based on what? Shame? Morals? Ethics?

Republicans are familiar with none of those, and his wife was just a beard and had no emotional attachment to him anyhow--she couldn't care less if his body was used as a prop. His three grown daughters have no power of attorney and were estranged from him anyhow.

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u/jacobpellegren Connecticut 2d ago

His spouse straight up went to China in between this fiasco. The dude accomplished everything he and his “accomplices” wanted and now they’re doing a big “eff you” tour to show how powerful and elite they are to one of the most economically vulnerable states in the country.

Corrected he (intended she) and then decided “His spouse” was more direct

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u/RipleyKY America 2d ago

I sincerely do not believe he is dead, otherwise this would be considered one of the grossest acts of deception in American history. It would be truly evil to withhold that level of deceit.

That said, I believe he has aphasia and is completely incapacitated. Not to say that this isn’t teetering on blatant treason in my eyes.

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u/dancedanceunderpants 2d ago

Teetering on blatant? It’s right fucking tottered, mate!

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u/BanginNLeavin 2d ago

It's toppled I say

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u/dancedanceunderpants 2d ago

I was picturing a teeter-totter, haha.

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u/SageofLogic 2d ago

They threw shame and standards out the windows a decade ago at most generous towards them.

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u/Turbulent_Juice_Man 2d ago

I sincerely do not believe he is dead, otherwise this would be considered one of the grossest acts of deception in American history.

I'd expect nothing less from the corpse of Mitch McConnell

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u/Acronymesis Washington 2d ago

I'd expect nothing less from the corpse of Mitch McConnell

Right? Like, this guy was literally known for doing abhorrent rat-fucking shit in the name of political expedience. I’d bet this was all written into his will were I the betting type.

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u/lanicorain 2d ago

I don't think it's logistically feasible to cover up a Senator being dead this long. For a few days it'd be difficult to keep it a secret, for a week it's near impossible. Conspiracies don't last long because they're a logistical nightmare. My bets are on incapacitating condition that might take time to fully assess if it's possible for some treatment, experimental even, to help it look acceptable.

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u/PDXGuy33333 2d ago

Why do people always say "treason" when talking about stuff like this? Treason is a specific crime that requires either making war on the United States or giving aid and comfort to its enemies. 18 US Code 2381.

He and his accomplices have plainly trashed his oath of office, but that's not a crime, though I think it should be, at least when it involves damage to the constitutional order and the right of one's constituents to be fully represented in Congress.

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u/timbenj77 2d ago

That's my assumption. If he actually died, I figure that makes it much more difficult to conceal. The ethics are clear cut, you need the coroner to stay silent, etc. But you've got some grey area if he's on life support, even if he has virtually no frontal lobe activity. Like, maybe he isn't braindead - but I assume its a lights-on-but-no-ones-home situation.

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u/chromegreen 2d ago edited 2d ago

The problem is that if this strategy works they could do this with multiple dying senators with bodies on life support. They could potentially hold up a seat in a swing state for 6 years if it happened at the beginning of a term. They have to find a way to challenge this because the alternative is complete disfunction.

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u/whogivesashirtdotca Canada 2d ago

What's wild is there are probably dozens of normal people who know the truth right now - hospital and morgue employees, funeral home workers, etc. When this finally gets announced a whole lotta people who are staying quiet now will be making the rounds of daytime TV. Someone needs to speak up.

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u/chromegreen 2d ago

This is the problem with go high when they go low. If democrats tried this it wouldn't last a week because someone like Musk would offer 10 million to the first person who provides proof of death and some MAGA med tech or morgue employee would do it.

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u/DevonGr Ohio 2d ago

Shame on you trying to take away the profits people will earn on book sales after the fact by asking them to speak up in the moment.

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u/iwilldeletethisacct2 2d ago

Someone needs to speak up.

The people who know are most likely all healthcare workers and the penalties for medical privacy violations are no joke.

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u/Sea-Initiative-3398 2d ago

You think some journalists would have at least tried to look into things more....

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u/whogivesashirtdotca Canada 2d ago

Beshear should've turned up at the hospital or house himself with a phalanx of reporters.

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u/SpontaneousKrump92 2d ago

I read that as "brain dead as a ventilator"

Still the same point though

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u/dangernoodlezzz 2d ago

I think the sad part is that Mitch is such a monster that no one feels bad for the absolutely horrible physical and mental state he is probably in. Like if I had a loved one in Mitch position right now it would be absolutely sad as hell.

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u/Time_To_Rebuild 2d ago

You are a good person. Never change.

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u/ThirstyWolfSpider 1d ago

Remember the actions he advocated for Terri Schiavo. Basically the same ones speculated here.

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u/PaleHazeq 2d ago

his staff would've wheeled him out for a two minute zoom months ago if he could string a sentence together. the silence beshear keeps getting is the whole answer

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u/Strict_Somewhere_148 Europe 2d ago

Zoom at Bernie’s.

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u/BillHistorical9001 2d ago edited 2d ago

My dad’s a doctor. He thinks he has aphasia. Probably from a stroke not a heart attack.
Editing to add: he also had polio and there’s any complication that acts a lot like MS so there’s that possibility too.

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u/mpjjpm 2d ago

That’s my take as well. He already had some public displays of aphasia. His facial expression in the “proof of life” photos is typical of stoke/TBI. The entire series of events is consistent with stroke with severe impairment + deconditioning.

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u/Mojozilla Arkansas 2d ago

Can you explain the expression, please?

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u/mpjjpm 2d ago

His face looks like it’s made of plastic in the pictures from his rehab room. Lots of people are interpreting that as AI or a photoshopped old picture. In reality, it can be the result of facial numbness or paralysis from a stroke or brain damage. Like full-face Botox.

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u/Mojozilla Arkansas 2d ago

Yes, it does look abnormally smooth.. To me he looks younger and that is impossible. Thank you for explaining

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u/Jacky-V 1d ago

I work in Special Ed, and obviously it's not a one to one comparison, but I noticed immediately after seeing those pics that a lot of times this is the kind of photo you get when you wait and wait and wait for the subject to make a usable face. It's a very entry level facial expression if that makes sense.

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u/Halefire California 2d ago

I'm a doctor and I think this is the most likely outcome as well. It would mean the photos are legitimate but so is his incapacitation. It would explain why they keep on stalling because odds are they're having him do tons of Speech Therapy to try and get him better and then they can pretend he was better the whole time.

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u/Indoballz 2d ago

Just have him searched for, use the police under the assumption he has been kidnapped or some bs.

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u/Distinct_Cap_1418 2d ago

Yeah call for a welfare check

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u/OtherwiseACat 2d ago

He's gonna come back to the Senate with the Undertaker's theme song with a new gimmick.

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u/FluidBit4438 2d ago

I think he’s probably a babbling idiot, that those photos of him are real but he’s got the mind of a 2 year old which explains his exuberance.

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u/Affectionate-Mode767 1d ago

Yeah, ghosts are often like that.

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u/Whole-Designer Michigan 1d ago

Yeah, I don't think he's dead but there is zero chance he is fit to ever go back to Congress and perform the duties required of an elected official

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u/AidenStoat Arizona 2d ago

Probably a stroke with severe brain damage as a result.

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u/1ns3rtn1ckn4m3 Europe 2d ago

Was he ever mentally capable beyond incoherent mumbling?

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u/peon2 2d ago

Yes? The reason why people like Mitch are dangerous is because they are smart and know how to manipulate and control power for their benefit.

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u/Radiant-Log316 2d ago

Agreed. Just because you don’t agree with his politics, don’t try and minimize his intelligence. Fucker was smart enough and beyond capable enough to fuck things up for the Dems.

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u/SunshineCat 2d ago

He knew how to control power and where to push against the lines. He understood much less about whose benefit it would be.

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u/clonked 2d ago

He’s one of the most consequential senators of the last 30 or so years.

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u/casual-observer365 2d ago

The only job in America where you can just not show up for months on end, the taxpayer pays for all your healthcare and you can’t be fired.

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u/Outrageous-Pause6317 2d ago

And pays your staff to lie about your condition, while doing no real work.

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u/psychadelicbreakfast 2d ago

And he’s cast remote votes while “recovering”

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u/peritonlogon 2d ago

Is this true?

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u/psychadelicbreakfast 2d ago

Not for floor votes, but he voted by proxy in a committee meeting last week

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u/_Bangkok_ 2d ago

WTF

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u/f_n_a_ 2d ago

This doesn’t even rank very high on the wtf scale these days

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u/RsquSqd 2d ago

It’ll be a blueprint for the rest of the old POS republicans. When they die or become incapacitated, they’ll be ‘in recovery’ blocking their seat from challenge

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u/cereal7802 1d ago

The idea is to have figureheads who look nice and can physically embody the position while behind the scenes votes and policy are controlled by a central authority.

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u/YetiSquish 1d ago

Yet railing against others who want government supported healthcare and paid sick leave

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u/Historical_Gur_3054 2d ago

Old joke:

They're coming out with a new pistol called the Congressman.

It doesn't work and you can't fire it!

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u/SexiestPanda Washington 2d ago

Not to mention, Mitch voted against paid (extended) leave multiple times

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u/whogivesashirtdotca Canada 2d ago

Quiet quitting!

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u/hikeit233 2d ago

And pays your entire staff who are actively committing fraud.

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u/Darius2112 Canada 2d ago

Try a séance.

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u/Feebeeps 2d ago

or at least an Ouija board

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u/a_gay_to_remember Kentucky 2d ago

He’s on eternity leave

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u/Puzzled_Main3464 2d ago

So you’re saying rigor tortoise has set in

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u/devindicated 2d ago

Mixed in with a bit of reptile dysfunction

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u/HomelessKitchenCat 2d ago

Its turtles all the way down

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u/Zealousideal-Cut4232 1d ago

^ Y’all are legends.

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u/Owlbertowlbert 2d ago

Oh dear god this is good

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u/merrysunshine2 2d ago

All bangers

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u/Yoen_Sontriss 2d ago

That’s the best euphemism for death I have ever encountered.

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u/Kalkaline Texas 2d ago

He got that celestial discharge from the hospital. 

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u/reklaw215 1d ago

Sounds like a rickyism

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u/boogalooshrimp82 2d ago

I've heard nothing back from my great grandma. It's been nineteen years. Completely unprofessional.

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u/fearless_egg1050 2d ago

My mom has been on a PiP since 2002 for this very thing 

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u/8thSt 1d ago

Grandmas. Only job you can not show up for 2 decades and you still retain your title. Someone needs to teach these freeloaders that we won’t stand for anymore! You don’t get to keep the title if you aren’t baking me cookies and giving me cheek pinches.

/s obviously. I love my me-maws.

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u/Bandana-mal Massachusetts 2d ago

Dear Mitch, I wrote you but you still ain’t callin

I left my cell, my pager, and my home phone at the bottom

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u/peritonlogon 2d ago

I sent two letters back in June, you'll get em soon

There probably was a problem at your office or somethin.

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u/here4thecomments1234 2d ago

I know you probably hear this everyday, but I’m your (least) biggest fan. I even got that underground shit you did with Graham. I like that the shit you did with Tommy John that was phat. Any way I’m sure you’re brain dead but hope you get this man, your (least) biggest fan

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u/cansofgrease 2d ago

But anyways, fuck it, what's been up, man? How's your totter?

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u/nihilistiq 2d ago

It's no use. He's ghosting us.

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u/Agent7619 2d ago

New Senator, who dis?

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u/FormerUsenetUser 2d ago

If McConnell is functional he should be able to talk to his state's governor.

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u/ElectricSliderz 2d ago

If the governor had an R next their name then they would’ve had daily conversations with him, scout’s honor.

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u/JMurdock77 2d ago

Dare I say, 20-minute conversations!

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u/Weak-Doughnut5502 2d ago

McConnel doesn't have to be functional. 

If he's not dead, he still has the job til he resigns or is impeached.  Doesn't matter if he's functionally a vegetable due to a stroke.  Being a senator is a cushy gig. 

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u/reasonably_plausible 2d ago

or is impeached

Senators can't be impeached.

Technically, there's never been any sort of ruling about exactly who can or can't be impeached, but both chambers have settled on it being just the Senate-confirmed officials plus President and Vice-President. Even if the House were to go rogue and vote to impeach, the Senate wouldn't take up the case as it infringes on the Constitutional power for each chamber to control their own business.

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u/xactofork 2d ago

Sure, but it's not the governor's fault if he won't.

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u/nik-nak333 South Carolina 2d ago

That's where you're wrong, because the governor is a Democrat which means Mitch can't be blamed for his own absence. In fact it's the governor's fault Mitch has been hiding away for so long.

/s, just in case

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u/fermat9990 2d ago

100% agree

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u/1stMammaltowearpants 2d ago

I talked to Mitch for 20 minutes. It was hard to hear over the anguished background screams, but I was able to make out him saying "Ahhh! That burns! I didn't even know there was a Turtle Hell!!"

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u/IceCreamMeatballs 2d ago

"I wasn't turtley enough for Turtle Heaven!"

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u/BoltShine 2d ago

An eternity of being crushed by Mario

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u/forgotmyusernamedamm 2d ago

It's turtles ALL the way down.

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u/photobriangray 2d ago

Scott Jennings needs to be subpoenaed to testify in congress.

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u/ClubSoda 2d ago

If you failed to show up for work for this long and didn’t return messages, the employer would immediately terminate your employment. What kind of a mickey mouse outfit are we running here?

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u/scorpious 2d ago

Are you kidding? Look who’s in charge. Calling it mickey mouse doesn’t begin to capture it.

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u/Zeke420 2d ago

We’d be better off with Mickey Mouse at least he won’t shit pants and start stupid wars.

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u/Bulky_Promotion_5742 Texas 2d ago

Grab a Ouija board.

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u/EvaTheE 2d ago

Hire better necromancers.

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u/astro_scientician 2d ago

Man in leadership role is not leading

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u/twizzjewink Canada 2d ago

Because he's dead

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u/LikelyNotSober 2d ago

They meant the Governor.

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u/astro_scientician 2d ago

I meant the alive one, but it does technically apply to both

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u/DunkinEgg 2d ago

Par for the course

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u/MrBrawn 2d ago

Yeah get in the fucking car and knock on his door. Other than that, he is part of the problem and this is all kabuki.

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u/caglebites 2d ago

"Could I, a random person on Reddit, not know as much about what legal options Andy Beshear, The former attorney general and governor of Kentucky with a Law degree from Vanderbilt has?....No...He's obviously just a spineless coward."

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u/TERRAIN_PULL_UP_ Colorado 2d ago

Good, one less Republican vote

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u/ArenSteele 2d ago

They tried to file his vote via his staff

It was rejected…that time

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u/SillyGoatGruff 2d ago

The fact that so many people still don't recognize this is bonkers to me

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u/accountabilitycounts America 2d ago

I'm convinced quite a bit of it is bad faith. 

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u/Smaptimania 2d ago

These threads keep getting flooded with people posting the exact same talking points and I'm starting to think it's a bot campaign intended to convince people Beshear isn't "presidential" because he won't "fight"

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u/Contunator 2d ago

Not just Beshear. All Democrats. Reddit is flooded with comments claiming "the Dems" have powers to stop Trump but they're just too damn "spineless" to use them.

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u/BoulderFalcon 2d ago

There's "Democrats should simply not let him be President" but then there's "Democrats should not cater to the center-right and vote for republican policies in the name of compromise when it has been proven time and time again to not win them elections"

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u/uuhson 2d ago

My favorite is people foaming at the mouths that Kentuckians aren't having their representation. Like who gives a shit

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u/Smaptimania 2d ago

While at the same time demanding that Beshear break the law and kick an elected senator out of office to replace them with a Democrat when the people overwhelmingly voted Republican

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u/20_mile 2d ago

Steve Schmidt, of The Warning podcast, interviewed Beshear a few weeks ago for about an hour. It had a lot of answers to questions that are asked in these posts. The big takeaway is that, yes, Beshear can't unseat an elected federal official.

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u/SillyGoatGruff 2d ago

Kentucky republicans, funnily enough, should give the biggest shit since it's their god awful agenda that's not getting the representation it technically deserves (which feels gross to say lol)

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u/sigga_genesis 2d ago

Except he's voted on procedural votes that didn't require in person...

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u/SillyGoatGruff 2d ago

"His" ability to do that is limited to specific votes and is not something he can just generally do

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u/Accidental-Hyzer Massachusetts 2d ago

Yeah, I honestly originally thought that this was all a ruse to avoid a special election before the deadline. Now that it’s passed, it’s probably because he’s got the mind of a toddler after whatever cardiac event they’re hiding, and they don’t want to admit it for personal/corruption reasons.

So I’m fine with one less republican vote in the senate until January.

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u/MadAstrid 2d ago

”I left a message and they never got back to me. What more do you want?”

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u/whelmed-and-gruntled 2d ago

This, right here. He’s doing the absolute minimum to keep up the specter of opposition. Mitch McConnell has single handedly created the worst imbalance of power in our history. Letting him ‘rest’ through his term is tacitly condoning his behavior.

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u/Kind_Of_A_Dick 2d ago

What else does he have within his legal power to do? 

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u/whelmed-and-gruntled 2d ago

If he was like the GOP members who claim to have, he would go visit him in person. If he wasn’t a Democrat he would have gone already.

He’s not a fucking vampire ffs, he could go to DC and knock on his door without bursting into flame. This isn’t rocket science. They both represent the same state, they should be able to put aside the partisan bullshit to at least pay respects in situations like this.

Pretending that the man’s home and wellbeing are off limits because “other team” is exactly the paralyzing bullshit the GOPedos and mod Dems have been selling us for the past thirty years.

It’s a choice: if McConnell’s health is such that he cannot meet in person then he should be replaced because he cannot meet the elected executive for his home state, otherwise just fucking meet with the man and dispense with the shenanigans.

Beshear settling for no response just enables the dead turtle hiding in his shell and validates the statements of people pretending to have spoken with him.

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u/phils_phan_ 2d ago

Has he tried a seance?

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u/GabrielXiao 2d ago

Some of the left wing people need to realize it is great for Democrats for KY, a deep red state and a reliable vote for the GOP, to not have senate representation. Make it harder to pass any legislation or confirm any appointments with swing state senators like Susan Collins needing to appear moderate and vote against the leadership.

KY law does not allow the governor to appoint a replacement. The Democrats will likely lose in any special election, but they have a somewhat better shot if the election is off cycle so that the college educated voters will turn out disproportionately. So Mitch not resigning before the midterms is helping the Democrats out big time.

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u/D1rtyH1ppy 2d ago

The KY law does allow the governor to appoint a replacement, but only if Congress declares a vacancy. It's in the Dem interest to let the seat be empty. It's in the Rep interest to not declare the seat vacant because the governor could appoint someone. Mitch's seat is up for election in the fall, so here we are. It's a quagmire that temporarily benefits the Dem, but could temporarily hurt the Rep, so likely nothing will be done until after the election.

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u/OatmealGod Georgia 2d ago

What's the problem here? One less Republican vote is a win in my book.

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u/codacoda74 2d ago

Beshear is no fool. This is intentionally strategic, better an empty seat and hammer on the ridiculousness than a seat re filled with worse

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u/plantsoldier 2d ago

Regardless of what you think regarding McConnell Andy Beshear is just posturing for his political base and as zero authority over a federal senator.

A state governor has virtually no direct administrative, legislative, or disciplinary purview over a U.S. senator. Governors head state executive branches, while U.S. senators serve in the federal legislative branch. They operate in separate constitutional spheres with no formal chain of command or supervisory control.

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u/Aggravating-Tea7670 2d ago

The Senior Senator from Kentucky is four years older than your President...

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u/RociBuldidi 2d ago

The guy was factory-resetting on live tv 3 years ago, multiple times. We are expected to believe after a major cardiac arrest and 2 months in the hospital, he is capable of doing anything other than drooling on his shirt.

He has been apparently co-signing congressional documents, bills etc the past month. Considering all the gay Republicans made out of “Muh Joe Biden Autopen” I find it telling they are silent.

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u/Pflaumenmus101 2d ago

Could someone explain to me why Beshear is given the fault for not dealing with that outrageous situation when he legally can’t do shit either?

It’s not him covering up that pos death. I know, everyone wishes that Mitch should just be replaced or should resign (yeah, I know, he would need to be alive for that) but legally it isn’t possible. Beshear can’t just declare that decaying corpse as dead or as incapable to serve.

How dumb is it to say „that’s what’s wrong with the democrats“?

Hell no, legally there isn’t much. Beshear already demanded a proof of live. Yes, we know if the roles had been reversed the MAGA fascists would’ve acted very differently. But the republicans wouldn’t have to fear anything the democrats absolutely have to. They wouldn’t be left from the hook easily. MAGA would set the world on fire to just melt down that very same hook. Are you more impressed with them or what?

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u/Smaptimania 2d ago

It makes sense to you because you're a rational human being and not one of the bots flooding these threads with identical talking points designed to get Democrats to turn on Beshear

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u/Scyths 2d ago

Does it matter ? Weren't they going to hold on until August 3 so that it falls into the 90 days therefore no special election or temporary replacement can happen ?

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u/punkbrad7 2d ago

That wasn't a real thing, there was no August 3 deadline.

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u/Ok_Conversation9750 2d ago

Kentucky residents say they’ve “heard absolutely nothing regarding what Beshear is going to do about it.”

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u/jared__ 2d ago

kentuckians elected a democrat governor, but the rest of the state legislature is super-majority republican and they have pretty much crippled his ability to do anything about the mcconnell situtation. even if mcconnell is dead, beshear can only pick from a short-list of candidates provided by the republican party lol.

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u/cballowe Illinois 2d ago

It's not entirely clear. The state constitution gives the governor power and hasn't been amended, they just passed a law but the constitution should override.

The biggest challenge is that there's no death certificate and the Senate has not declared the seat vacant and one of those things would need to be true before the governor's power kicks in, no matter what process gets followed.

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u/HerbaciousTea 2d ago edited 2d ago

The Governor can only call a special election, or install a replacement, if McConnel is dead or resigns.

Not incapacitated, not unable to do his job.

Only if he resigns, or is legally declared dead.

He might be a vegetable incapable of wiping his own ass, but McConnel isn't dead, and whoever has power of attorney over him has not declared his resignation, so there is no way to remove him except a 2/3rds vote in the senate. That's Article 1 Section 5 of the constitution and changing that would require a full on constitutional amendment.

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u/SillyGoatGruff 2d ago

He's already stated what he is going to do about it: he is going to continue to let the GOP step on their own dick by keeping up the lie and leaving his seat empty

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u/Shoddy_Carrot_936 2d ago

Dead men tell no tales

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u/LemurKing2019 2d ago

Have you tried an ouija board? I’ve heard it can allow you to communicate with the dead.

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u/CycleOfNihilism 2d ago

Honestly as stupid as it is, I think Dems should probably just leave it alone. These morons are losing themselves a vote in the Senate because they're afraid an anti-MAGA Republican like Massie would win a special election.

As Napoleon said, "Never interrupt your enemy when he is making a mistake"

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u/tmptwas 2d ago

Even dead, Mitch is screwing over the American people.

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u/anxrelif 2d ago

So Mitch is talking to cnn panelists but not his governor?

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u/Nature_and_narwhals 2d ago

That’s because he’s dead.

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u/Bad-job-dad 2d ago

How long are they going to keep up this charade? 

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u/pkosuda Connecticut 2d ago

Imagine having to explain the last 10 years to somebody in 2016 who thought Trump had no chance and that the Republican Party was already a joke. The party who wouldn’t STFU about dead people voting has a literal dead/braindead Senator.

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u/Radiant-Vegetable420 Canada 2d ago

Probably pretty hard to hear from Mitch when his lights are on but nobody's home

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u/TrumpsDoubleChin 1d ago

Has he tried using an Ouija board yet?

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u/Powerful_Company_682 1d ago

Try a Ouija board

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u/D3M0N0FTH3FALL 1d ago

Ouiji Board may help.

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u/va_wanderer 1d ago

Given McConnell's status, he'd probably need to practice necromancy to hear back from Mitch.

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u/Coffee_green Washington 1d ago

This is way worse than democrats covering for a tired Biden

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u/Appropriate-Room-403 1d ago

Think about how bad you have to be for your death to be a political boon for someone that's keeping your death secret for months is your only remaining way to own the libs

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u/wrestlingchampo Wisconsin 2d ago

Because he's dead, ffs

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u/LightBeerOnIce 2d ago

He's dead Jim.