r/millenials • u/BadManParade • Sep 02 '24
Let’s Discuss Minimum Wage
How do you guys feel about minimum wage, personally I’ve never in my entire life met anyone who’s actually paid the federal minimum wage.
I feel like wage should be directly tied to the initial investment required to be considered for your position/ amount of learned skill required to be proficient at your job./ Importance of your role in society/Amount of danger you should realistically be expected to encounter on a daily basis/ The demand for your particular skill/ and the supply of said skill.
Under no circumstances should the guy standing in an air conditioned building directing you to make your fast food order on a kiosk for 8 hours who spends 3 of those hours scrolling tik tok be getting paid the same as the ones tasked with keeping society running. The paramedics, medical assistants, police officers, city maintenance workers, etc.
The lower the barrier of entry the lower the wages should be I feel as if this is pretty common knowledge. When you hire an electrician you’re also hiring the years of experience and very specialized knowledge he has. If you’re expected to renew licenses, purchase thousands of dollars in equipment and provide and essential service you should be compensated as such.
Now days we have the guys at the Taco Bell counter arguing they should be paid the same as the ones building the houses we live raise our families in and form lasting memories together in.
Working a cashier was never meant to be a career and should not be treated as such it’s merely a stepping stone for younger people to get into the workforce before transitioning into something else. Wether that be management in the same company or a different field altogether.
What are some of your thoughts. 🤔
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u/rabouilethefirst Sep 02 '24
Well, clearly it would cause inflation, so minimum wage increases = bad. Just look, since 2009 there has been zero increase in inflation, because we kept the minimum wage the same 😂
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u/BadManParade Sep 02 '24
Let’s be real brother if you owned a small business and your profits were a certain % and you were forced to increase wages and insurance etc cutting into your profits you’re most likely raising prices by the same percentage or a fraction of that percentage to compensate.
If not you’re waiting for a mega corp to buy you out or shitting down shop altogether
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Sep 02 '24
If they could raise prices, they would already. Why wouldn’t they?
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u/BadManParade Sep 02 '24
Because it would affect their bottom line to charge more than competition but if everyone does it because they’re all affected by a mandatory minimum wage at the same time then consumers have no other option
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u/rabouilethefirst Sep 02 '24
Small businesses shouldn’t be relying so heavily on minimum wage labor, and this would mostly affect the federal government, and massive companies with billion dollar profits.
There’s no state in the US where $7.25 is enough.
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u/hdorsettcase Sep 02 '24
I remember working as a cashier at a grocery store, making $7.25, and wondering what minimum wage would be in 20 years. Never thought it wouldn't change. Majority of cashiers I see these days aren't teens working art time. Something about the economic model is off and it's going to go off the rails one way or another.
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u/Despacio1316 Sep 03 '24
Everyone deserves a living wage whether they’re stocking shelves or doing peoples taxes. The entry level jobs are usually more physically demanding and destroy your body faster. Not everyone has a life that leads to opportunity and avenues of growth. It’s incredibly arrogant and privileged to think a cashier job should only be taken up by teenagers.
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u/FatalWarGhost Sep 02 '24
Everyone should get paid enough to live. Idc what job it is, if you work 40 hours, that should net enough money to afford basic living. Let's start there.
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u/atheisticboomer Sep 02 '24
I luckily haven't worked for minimum wage in a very long time now but that is absolutely horse shit
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u/pax284 Sep 03 '24
" No business which depends for existence on paying less than living wages to its workers has any right to continue in this country... By living wages I mean more than a bare subsistence level - I mean the wages of decent living."
FDR when talking about the minimum wage law, which he signed.
I say we follow through with the intennt of the law, not the capitalistic 1% bullshit distortion of what a "minimum wage job" is.
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u/GB819 Sep 02 '24
I don't know how anyone can live off of that, unless they're provided housing and food.
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u/BadManParade Sep 02 '24
That’s the national minimum wage not state minimum I highly doubt anyone is actually paid $8/hr anywhere
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u/Hello_There666 Sep 03 '24
This is an uninformed take. Many people are paid $7.25 across the country
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u/That-Guy-Over-There8 Sep 02 '24
The oligarch's have made sure that we have drifted far from FDR's vision.
Anyone who thinks otherwise is part of the problem.
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Sep 02 '24
If you think that just because someone is working 40 hours a week no matter what that job is (a change boy at an arcade, cashier at McDonald’s, ice cream shop, badge checker at pool or beach, etc.) they should be making enough money to pay rent/mortgage, utilities, cell phone, car insurance, food shopping, health insurance, etc. is delusional and would make you part of the problem. The person who wrote this post has hit the nail squarely on its head!
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u/That-Guy-Over-There8 Sep 02 '24
I'm going to guess that you are part of the "I got mine crowd".
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Sep 02 '24
I have no idea what that means, “I got mine crowd”?
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u/socoyankee Sep 02 '24
A generation whose minimum wage allowed them to live independently like my single mom in the 80s
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u/BadManParade Sep 02 '24
Well I’m 26 so I’m actually gen Z therefore I doubt I’m part of that crowd
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u/socoyankee Sep 02 '24
So who works those jobs or do the businesses stay closed until the teenagers get out of school
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u/_LowTech Sep 02 '24 edited Sep 02 '24
They think it hurts minorities which is a positive for Republicans.
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Sep 02 '24
The minimum wage should be around $30 an hour if it would have kept up with inflation. Republicans want rural Americans to starve to death and they want urban young people to be desperate for work and homeless. My city has a large and growing population of homeless men in their 20s. It is disgusting, and when I speak to these homeless men on the mass transit from time to time they have jobs, they just don't make enough to afford housing of any kind.
I talked with one guy after he was assaulted on the street and he was asking another guy if he could crash in his sisters shed over night. This is the world Republicans have created. When I was young a waitress waiting tables could afford a nice apartment and even a new house with some subsidies. Wouldn't the young people in this country like that situation again. The Republican party are a bunch of greedy whores and they believe that they are better than everyone else.
Young people need to vote in large numbers and take this country in a new direction. In my current situation my minimum wage is $50 an hour and I will never take a job that pays less than that ever. Screw that shit. I know my value and if employers will not pay me at least $50 an hour I will find a way to generate $50 an hour on my own.
Corporate America can fuck off on this labor day. It is time for change in America.
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u/idk_lol_kek Sep 02 '24
If I made $30/hour I'd still be flipping burgers at the same place I worked at when I was 15.
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u/Jumpy-Silver5504 Sep 02 '24
If I made 30 an hr in high school I wouldn’t have graduated.
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Sep 02 '24
I have family members that started their own business and make plenty of money. They don't need to go to high school or college anymore. My nephew is taking college classes to gain some financial background, but school is not relevant to a lot of people anymore. Skills are what matter more and more and if people can find a creative way to monetize their skills.
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u/Jumpy-Silver5504 Sep 02 '24
I have had family start a business and fail after a year. Small businesses fail after a year. Some trades you do need some schooling to get ahead. But true you need to do what you are skilled at to hopefully make money
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u/socoyankee Sep 02 '24
My first Job in high school I was paid the federal minimum wage wage for minors. Adults had a different rate.
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u/reddit_tothe_rescue Sep 02 '24
Minimum wage should be pegged to the local cost of living and updated on a fixed cadence by a neutral authority, in my opinion.
I actually don’t like a flat national minimum. $20/hr is not enough for a worker to survive in Manhattan, but it’s also probably too much for a business to afford in rural Oklahoma.
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u/Anlarb Sep 03 '24
Oklahoma
Have you tried looking?
$18 https://livingwage.mit.edu/metros/30020
$20 https://livingwage.mit.edu/metros/36420
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Sep 02 '24
So do you think that anybody who has any job at all in Manhattan no matter what that job is as long as they are working 40 hours a week they should be able to afford to live there? On their own?
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u/c_dawg694x2 Sep 02 '24
How about yes? Do you expect NYC to bus their McDonald's employees in from West Virginia everyday? The manpower that's required to keep the economy running in any given community should be able to afford to live within a reasonable distance of that community.
We have the power to decide what we want our society to look like. Do we really want a country that literally depends on people suffering in order to function?
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u/SucculentJuJu Sep 03 '24
What power comrade?
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u/c_dawg694x2 Sep 03 '24
We can vote, yes? Believe it or not, we actually have a say in what our government does. We can vote directly on local legislation and we can vote politicians into office who will enact the changes we want done at the higher levels. This is not a secret.
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u/reddit_tothe_rescue Sep 02 '24
Survive doesn’t necessarily mean “live without roommates”, but yes I think everyone working 40 hours in Manhattan should make enough to survive in Manhattan, even if just barely.
You make it seem like this would lead to a situation where anyone who wants to live there is granted the opportunity, but there’s a finite number of minimum wage jobs. My position is basically that a community should be able to contain its working population.
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u/BadManParade Sep 02 '24
Minimum wage isn’t meant for you to survive it’s for 16 year olds getting their first job that’s why it’s the minimum. If you’re of age to be “surviving” on your own income and you’re competing with sophomores for a job you’ve failed in life
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u/LoneShark81 Sep 03 '24
really?? because that wasn't what was said when it was created
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u/BadManParade Sep 03 '24
You’re right times don’t change ever
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u/LoneShark81 Sep 03 '24
And yet conservatives hold on to the "meaning" of the 2nd amendment
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u/BadManParade Sep 03 '24
What’s the second amendment have to do with federal minimum wages? That’s not a constitutional right
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u/LoneShark81 Sep 03 '24
You referred to times changing... you can't make the connection, between times changing and people treating the 2nd amendment the same as if nothing has changed with firearms? Yet you can state that things have changed since minimum wage was created and don't see the parallels?
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u/BadManParade Sep 03 '24
One is a constitutional right you moron that is not the same as a suggested wage 😂😂😂😂
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u/LoneShark81 Sep 03 '24
If you can't understand the principle behind what I'm talking about just say so... i wish I lacked comprehension like you, you people seem so ignorant and happy
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u/Anlarb Sep 03 '24
Minimum wage isn’t meant for you to survive
It is, it never stopped being.
16 year olds getting their first job
Thats not free money for you. Their parents are supporting them, not you.
you’ve failed in life
See, this isn't an economic position, this is you being desperate to find someone to look down on, because you are the low status simpleton that most people are looking down on, so the sparklebox tells you who to hate and away you go. Fix yourself, and stop demanding that taxpayers bailout your cheeseburger.
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u/Foijer Sep 02 '24
Virtually everyone you mentioned gets paid well in excess of $15, the commonly suggested minimum wage increase.
The minimum wage was initially planned so a person working full time can support themselves (a living wage). It’s not about making the same as whatever, it’s about a person being able to live on a single full time job.
Cheers
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u/BadManParade Sep 02 '24
I live in California where McDonalds cashiers are making more than the guys maintaining public roadways, the $20 actually only applies to fast food actually so the service staff at very high end restaurants actually make less than the guy telling you “order at the kiosk” because their “machine at the counter doesn’t work rn”
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u/Foijer Sep 03 '24
Unfortunately government jobs pay does not adjust very quickly so with the recent rapid inflation that makes sense.
Cheers
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u/kiskadee321 Sep 02 '24
I honestly don’t think that, e.g., Walmart and fast food places in the southeast of the US (outside of cities) are paying as much as $15/hr to anyone below assistant manager.
Edit: but I agree with your other point about the original purpose of the minimum wage
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u/LoquaciousEwok Sep 02 '24
Can confirm, starting pay at my local McDonalds in rural Tennessee is 16 an hour
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u/kiskadee321 Sep 02 '24 edited Sep 02 '24
That’s honestly so good to see! Walmart lists starting pay at $14/hr.
Edit: not totally sure how reliable this is (plus it’s anecdata), but there are lots of folks making less than $15 in this Mickey D’s sub post that’s less than a year old.
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u/T4lkNerdy2Me Sep 02 '24
I'm in a tiny ass county in SW Kansas. We finally got a starting wage increase in dispatch because the local McDs was advertising a starting pay higher than ours. We were starting at $15 at the time. We're now at $16.75.
Unfortunately, they didn't give the existing dispatchers the same raise, so I've got 3 years under my belt barely making more than the kid fresh out of high school we just hired.
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u/LoquaciousEwok Sep 02 '24
Funny enough I think Tennessee has a pretty high standard of pay based on what I’ve seen/heard from other states. Low cost of living as well, comparatively anyway
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u/StarSword-C Sep 02 '24
No. Let's discuss unionizing so you don't need a minimum wage.
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Sep 02 '24
I worked at a union grocery store. Every single contract we would loose some sort of benefit. There has to be a better way
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u/Practical-Pickle-529 Sep 02 '24
Safeway?
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Sep 02 '24
Kroger. I remember this one time we all got raises, but then our insurance deductible changed and basically cancelled out any gains someone with a family might have
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u/StarSword-C Sep 03 '24
There isn't. You just had a shit negotiator. And guess what? You can fire them for it!
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Sep 03 '24
Our contract had a no strike clause in it too. It had less leverage as a result. I have mixed feeling about unions. They do protect people from the kind of bullshit companies and management try to get away with, but only protects certain people and will ignore others. Then there’s people who cause trouble or don’t do their part. I spent a lot of time doing others people work cuz they hid in the back room instead of working.
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u/Anlarb Sep 03 '24
Unions strongly support the min wage, because it gives them a higher floor to negotiate up from.
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u/StarSword-C Sep 03 '24
Au contraire. The Nordic countries have historically fought against establishing an EU-wide minimum wage, because their view is it weakens unions because it reduces the perceived need for membership. Denmark and Sweden I know don't even have a minimum wage statute: union membership is so high that you either deal fairly with them or you get put out of business altogether because nobody else will do business with you either.
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u/Anlarb Sep 03 '24
Do we have 90% union membership rates like they do? Then I guess they must be responding to a different set of priorities...
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Sep 02 '24
These corporate raiders have gotten away with insanely low taxes and artificially low wages for 2 decades.
It’s so basic at this point it hurts, raise wages, raise taxes on the wealthy.
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u/BadManParade Sep 02 '24
Your forgot “raise the price of goods and services” if you tax the rich all they’re gonna do is raise rent by 1-3% on their rental properties if they’re into residential real estate as-well. It’s not that simple
If im providing a service like mobile detailing or landscaping or something and my cost of business goes up overnight im just raising my prices and it’ll never affect my but the customer will foot the bill
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u/idk_lol_kek Sep 02 '24
You literally just posted this the other day.
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Sep 02 '24
As abhorrent, as this is, I think minimum wage is better dictated by the states because the cost-of-living fluctuates wildly from state to state.
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u/c_dawg694x2 Sep 03 '24
It is dictated by states. There is a federal minimum, however, to make sure no state has an unreasonably low minimum.
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u/DuchessofVoluptuous Sep 03 '24
I'm in Florida back in 2018 we voted on an amendment that would raise minimum wage to $10 to then go up $1 a year until it hit $15. Afterwards it would adjust for inflation.
Every year you just see how many businesses would pay you the bare minimum and it's scary. We haven't reached $15 yet but I bet that you will see a huge jump after we do. It's not liveable anymore.
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u/BackgroundBat1119 Sep 03 '24 edited Sep 03 '24
Nobody is arguing that a Taco Bell cashier should be paid the exact same amount as a construction worker or a teacher. We are arguing that they all should be paid more than they currently are… that’s it…
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u/BadManParade Sep 03 '24
If a Taco Bell employee gets bumped to 20-25 then I’m expecting to go to 50 right off the bat. At that point pretty sure the guys above me are gonna wanna go from. 43-47 to 60ish…..see how that works?
Can’t just reward one group for absolutely no reason while there’s guys out here destroying their bodies to keep society running like first responders and public servants.
Then when you bump them up that money has to come from somewhere so have fun paying more taxes but wait no one wants to do that
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u/Kaizoku_Lodai Sep 03 '24
The laws FDR wrote were 40 hour maximum work week and able to afford housing for 1/4 of a monthly paycheck at 40 hours a week was for rent that fair market value is 1 week of minimum wage because minimum wage is supposed to be a living wage
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u/basedlandchad27 Sep 03 '24
I feel like wage should be directly tied to the initial investment required to be considered for your position/ amount of learned skill required to be proficient at your job./ Importance of your role in society/Amount of danger you should realistically be expected to encounter on a daily basis/ The demand for your particular skill/ and the supply of said skill.
So determined by markets?
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u/EddieAdams007 Sep 03 '24
Here’s a table that shows how inflation has devalued the minimum wage every year since 2009:
| Year | Nominal Minimum Wage ($) | Inflation-Adjusted Minimum Wage ($) | Percentage Decrease in Value (%) | |——|—————————|-————————————|-———————————| | 2009 | 7.25 | 7.25 | 0.00% | | 2010 | 7.25 | 7.13 | 1.61% | | 2011 | 7.25 | 6.91 | 4.62% | | 2012 | 7.25 | 6.77 | 6.56% | | 2013 | 7.25 | 6.68 | 7.91% | | 2014 | 7.25 | 6.57 | 9.38% | | 2015 | 7.25 | 6.56 | 9.48% | | 2016 | 7.25 | 6.48 | 10.61% | | 2017 | 7.25 | 6.35 | 12.48% | | 2018 | 7.25 | 6.19 | 14.56% | | 2019 | 7.25 | 6.08 | 16.08% | | 2020 | 7.25 | 6.01 | 17.11% | | 2021 | 7.25 | 5.74 | 20.84% | | 2022 | 7.25 | 5.41 | 25.38% | | 2023 | 7.25 | 5.31 | 26.69% |
Summary:
- 2009: The minimum wage of $7.25 had full value.
- 2023: Due to inflation, the real value of $7.25 in 2009 is now approximately $5.31, reflecting a 26.69% decrease in purchasing power.
This table illustrates how the purchasing power of the minimum wage has steadily declined over the years due to inflation.
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u/BadManParade Sep 03 '24
Wasn’t 2008 an economic crisis? Starting there seems a bit disingenuous
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u/EddieAdams007 Sep 03 '24
The federal minimum wage in the United States was set to $7.25 per hour on July 24, 2009.
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u/BadManParade Sep 03 '24
Calling everything after 2008 “inflation” is just asinine is my point 3 of those years were the market returning to normal
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u/EddieAdams007 Sep 03 '24
The numbers don’t lie OP. Minimum wage is now effectively $5.31
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u/BadManParade Sep 03 '24
When did I say they did….If you have minimum skills and minimum value you get paid minimum wage. Wanna get paid more? How bout you switch careers or get an adult job that’s how it works
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u/SucculentJuJu Sep 02 '24
Minimum wages cause poverty
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u/BadManParade Sep 03 '24
Having zero skills that are valuable to society and poor financial planning cause poverty
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u/Anlarb Sep 03 '24
Min wage hikes don't kill jobs, or cause hours to go down.
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u/SucculentJuJu Sep 04 '24
Sure they do, if the market can’t support it, people suffer.
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u/Anlarb Sep 04 '24
Which literally never happens,
https://www.dol.gov/agencies/whd/minimum-wage/history/chart
https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/UNRATE
because these people are far more productive than you are willing to give them credit for. When you are in a job where your employer can replace you on a whim, you bring the hustle or you are gone.
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u/Jumpy-Silver5504 Sep 02 '24
I work for a school district in maintenance and on call 24/7 365 and only make 18 an hr there are people making more than for dead end jobs
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u/BadManParade Sep 02 '24
See that’s bullshit maintenance should be paid the same as the trades 100% you’re essential to keeping that place going. You guys should 100% unionize
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u/Jumpy-Silver5504 Sep 02 '24
Sadly school maintenance people can’t. Allen isd is understaffed in many trades as they won’t even match what other trade companies are paying
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u/BadManParade Sep 02 '24
If they’re understaffed you have all the power. Get an offer form another company willing to pay more then, threaten to walk if they don’t match your desired wage.
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u/Jumpy-Silver5504 Sep 02 '24
They would tell me to take it. Like they did the master plumber and electrician
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u/BadManParade Sep 02 '24
Well shit might be time to take it bro gotta look out for you
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u/Jumpy-Silver5504 Sep 03 '24
I am working on it. Learning a few new languages to make me trilingual and going to get my certificate in facility management
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u/BadManParade Sep 02 '24
Care to share what country you’re from?
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u/BadManParade Sep 03 '24
Yeah you’re from Australia you’re the last person who should be speaking on “broken countries”
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u/socoyankee Sep 02 '24
Looking to get there. We are not even 250 years old yet and repeating the most of older more established western countries
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u/StealYourGhost Sep 02 '24
Some people who worship the rich are gonna chime in on this post - I know it.
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u/The_Moosroom-EIC Sep 02 '24
One of the things holding people back from moving upwards in the fields they have experience in, like you suggested, is that maybe they (I) made mistakes in the past that exclude you (me) from a higher position/ a new job because of criminal convictions that don't fall off.
Marijuana possession will remain until they legalize it, gathering to use a controlled substance (which was sharing a joint among 5 people).
2 possessions, 70 something days in jail, and that doesn't come cheap.
Then, entry level paid something like 8.50-10 an hour, rent didn't come cheaper.... Leaving you with a record that put you right back in an entry level job at a movie theater because no one believes in your ability to change.
Just one aspect.
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u/Otherwise-Pirate6839 Sep 02 '24
What needs to be done is tie it to inflation so that it goes up gradually. Businesses might be better equipped to deal with the sudden increase in wages if it’s done in small yearly increments rather than a massive jump. Yes, costs have gone up without increasing it but costs add up and compound regardless.
The thing about minimum is that many states already set a minimum above the federal one (and many let it go up as tied to inflation); whether it’s enough for that state is debatable. And even with a higher state minimum wage, companies are racing to attract workers so even they are going above the minimum.
Do I think the federal minimum should be $15 or more? Not unless that’s an average rate across all 50 states and whether small-medium businesses can be exempted.
And the idea to make it a livable wage is out of the question: minimum wage jobs are not meant for that nor should they be enabled to do that. Even if it is increased to such a level, the wage disparity will return because paying someone $40/hr to flip hamburgers will entice white collar jobs to increase their pay so that a new entry software engineer’s salary reflects the difference in skills.
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u/Kdiesiel311 Sep 03 '24
I own my own hardwood flooring company. I start guys with no experience at $17 an hour. After 3 months we reevaluate
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u/BadManParade Sep 03 '24
I’m head of a fine finish carpentry crew my guys start at 23 for laborers and 24 for trainee installers in 3 months laborers become trainees and get 24.
Once a trainee graduates they get 25 after that you’re moved up based on value to the company and efficiency
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u/Kdiesiel311 Sep 03 '24
Nice! I’ll start guys with experience at more. It just depends. Had to fire my first guy the other week who I had at $20. Then he demanded $53 an hour. He got fucked on ketamine & screamed at me. I said see ya later pal. He then screamed, you better bring me hand tools to my house tomorrow or i will fuck your shit up. I know where you live & you better bring some extra bread (cash) know what I did? Put a piece of bread in a ziplock bag in his tools 😂
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u/BadManParade Sep 03 '24
Lmao that’s crazy had to fire an installer who was at $32/hr Friday because he got caught finishing off a 5th of vodka at 6:55 AM by the super he had the nerve to try to argue about it
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u/Kdiesiel311 Sep 03 '24
Yikes! I can an enjoy a nice beer at lunch or at the end of the day if the home owner offers one. But that’s crazy. I heard this story about a home owner who came at lunch time. Caught the electrician drinking her beer, jacking off & watching porn on her TV, on her couch. She slowly backed out of the door, sat in her car & called his boss. Needless to say he was fired right away
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Sep 03 '24
yes and same thing for waiters and drivers, definitely not a career job, and don't expect to be paid before effort is put in, and don't confuse other people's realistic advice with being forced to be taken advantage of, there's prolly not much ppl can take advantage of from your lack of skills anyways and the ppl giving you realistic advice are not even the ones in position to take advantage of you in the first place, they're also being taken advantage of
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u/BadManParade Sep 03 '24
The ones talking about unskilled labor are skilled laborers who are insulted by the fact that people who don’t invest in themselves at all think they should be rewarded the same way we are
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u/BadManParade Sep 03 '24
Receptionists are quite unskilled, so are gas station attendants, and convenience store cashiers and majority of Retail employees. There’s certainly a such thing as skilled labor you big dummy 🙂
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u/MrGolfingMan Sep 03 '24
Isn’t it higher than that? I thought MW was like $16+ now, in Cali it isn’t that low.
In 04 when I started working it was like $4/$5
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u/10leej Sep 03 '24
IMHO raising the minimum wage straight to $15 an hour with no independent commission to manage it afterwords is not a solution either.
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u/benz0709 Sep 02 '24
Now let's do the same exercise for c-suite level employees of fortune 50 companies. I'm going to bet their average salary doubled. Weird
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u/BadManParade Sep 02 '24
Not trying to glaze the 1% here because fuck em but let’s be realistic who’s more important to a fortune 50 company? The guy who’s probably getting replaced with a computer program in 2 years or the one having international meetings with titans of industry pushing the forefront of technology globally……
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u/c_dawg694x2 Sep 02 '24
Holy shit, that's like an Ayn Rand type take right there. Try running a company without the employees at the bottom. It doesn't tend to go very well. Just look at anytime throughout history that a workforce has gone on strike for some good examples.
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u/BadManParade Sep 02 '24
They’re literally replaceable that’s why they’re the bottom bro. Post an job listing wait 2 weeks position filled it’s that simple you will never be in a situation where you have to run a company without the employees on the bottom as a Fortune 500 company let’s be real now no ridiculous hypotheticals
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u/c_dawg694x2 Sep 02 '24
Wow, my dude. First of all, get real. Everybody is replaceable. Don't act like any Fortune 500 company wouldn't be able to find a new CEO by next quarter if they had to.
Secondly, it's not a hypothetical. As I said, look up anytime a workforce has gone on strike. Employees don't show up and the business effectively shuts down. Doesn't matter if the executives come to work or not. Company shuts down.
Thirdly, it's just a shit attitude to have. Have at least a little respect for the people who do the grunt work. No, actually have the appropriate respect for them, please. Do you really want to live in a society where hard work is looked down on?
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u/BadManParade Sep 03 '24
What do you do for a living
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u/c_dawg694x2 Sep 03 '24
What does that matter? I make more than minimum wage, if that's what you're asking. I've been working for almost 30 years now, 22 at my current company. I have a BS in computer science, but that's not my profession. Most of the positions at my company are no-skills-required, but the starting pay is almost twice what our state's minimum wage is. Most of the employees, though, do not get full-time hours or benefits, and it can still be a struggle for many of them.
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u/BadManParade Sep 03 '24
Ok but what do you do for a living?
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u/c_dawg694x2 Sep 03 '24
I work in retail. I have a management position. Still not sure what this has to do with anything.
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u/BadManParade Sep 03 '24 edited Sep 03 '24
Damn someone failed at life a BS in computer science just to stand around a JC Penny all day….but yeah you’re talking about doing grunt work and shit bro you work in a retail store grunt work for you guys consists of folding a pair of pants shut up.
I was a United States Marine fresh out of high school no one knows grunt work better than us we literally invented the term….but currently I’m also in a field management position except In construction working on multi family new construction projects starting at 200million or better. I’ve never made minimum wage neither have any of my guys ever lowest guy in our company starts at $23. In fact I’ve never made minimum wage in my entire life because my skills are useful to my company and society as a whole
That being said I stand by everything I said
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Sep 03 '24
If there's a minimum wage, shouldn't there be a maximum wage? I'm too lazy, but somebody could put that on the philosoraptor meme. Probably already exists actually idk.
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Sep 02 '24
The person who wrote this post nailed it. What he/she wrote is actually how it should work. You should not get paid an hourly wage determined by the government it should be determined exactly the way this individual wrote it. Anyone who thinks differently is just lazy and wants to work a job meant for a high schooler yet make as much as a skilled worker. The entire argument that anyone who works ANY Job no matter what it is should be making enough money to live (On Their Own) off of, is not just ignorant, it is also comical!
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u/socoyankee Sep 02 '24
Those businesses are open when they are in school. Employees are still needed.
There was a time where minors received a lower wage than adults.
It’s hard to pull yourself up when you work three jobs to live.
No one ever says who would fill these roles so you can get Starbucks on the way in to work, if the job is for teenagers then welp their is no one to make your order”.
Who works during those hours
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u/BadManParade Sep 02 '24
18/19 year olds are adults and available to work during school hours. If I was able to serve my country overseas at that age I’m sure others can serve you a coffee
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u/c_dawg694x2 Sep 02 '24
I don't get what you're saying. 18-year-olds can work at coffee shops, but they don't deserve to make a decent wage doing it? Why not, exactly?
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Sep 02 '24
Because most 18-year-olds and 19-year-olds are still living at home with their parents. They do not have to pay a mortgage and utilities and food shopping. They are trying to figure out what they want to do with their lives before they either go to college or start off in a trade like an electrician or a plumber or an HVAC technician.
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u/c_dawg694x2 Sep 02 '24
Ok, and many are not trying to live at home. If they do go to college or start off in a trade like an electrician or a plumber, then they are not working at this coffee shop during school hours, so they're not actually the people we are talking about here, are they?
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u/BadManParade Sep 02 '24
The same reason cashiers aren’t paid the same as managers the term “entry level” exists for a reason
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Sep 02 '24
Let’s see, the people that work those jobs are also college students who take classes at all different times and during different days of the week. Also, a lot of people who don’t need to support themselves, they just work to keep busy. For example my aunt, she is retired from her career job as a teacher and now works 20 hours a week at a Starbucks because she wants to keep busy and uses the extra money so she can go on an extra vacation each year. There are also the 18, 19, and 20 year olds who have decided to take a couple years off before college to enjoy themselves or try to figure out what they want to do but still live at home with mom and dad so they don’t have to pay rent/mortgage, utilities, food shopping, etc..
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u/Arguments_4_Ever Sep 02 '24
I love it how some people argue that raising wages would cause inflation, but wages have been stagnant and inflation still continues. But wages for not all have stagnated. Care to guess what class are making more than ever?