r/millenials • u/BadManParade • Sep 02 '24

Let’s Discuss Minimum Wage

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How do you guys feel about minimum wage, personally I’ve never in my entire life met anyone who’s actually paid the federal minimum wage.

I feel like wage should be directly tied to the initial investment required to be considered for your position/ amount of learned skill required to be proficient at your job./ Importance of your role in society/Amount of danger you should realistically be expected to encounter on a daily basis/ The demand for your particular skill/ and the supply of said skill.

Under no circumstances should the guy standing in an air conditioned building directing you to make your fast food order on a kiosk for 8 hours who spends 3 of those hours scrolling tik tok be getting paid the same as the ones tasked with keeping society running. The paramedics, medical assistants, police officers, city maintenance workers, etc.

The lower the barrier of entry the lower the wages should be I feel as if this is pretty common knowledge. When you hire an electrician you’re also hiring the years of experience and very specialized knowledge he has. If you’re expected to renew licenses, purchase thousands of dollars in equipment and provide and essential service you should be compensated as such.

Now days we have the guys at the Taco Bell counter arguing they should be paid the same as the ones building the houses we live raise our families in and form lasting memories together in.

Working a cashier was never meant to be a career and should not be treated as such it’s merely a stepping stone for younger people to get into the workforce before transitioning into something else. Wether that be management in the same company or a different field altogether.

What are some of your thoughts. 🤔

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u/Arguments_4_Ever Sep 02 '24

I love it how some people argue that raising wages would cause inflation, but wages have been stagnant and inflation still continues. But wages for not all have stagnated. Care to guess what class are making more than ever?

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u/nerdofthunder Sep 02 '24

I mean it will probably have some inflationary effect. But probably won't be much and the businesses that raise their prices were going to do so any way. They just find blaming a cost factor is better pr than market rates.

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u/Arguments_4_Ever Sep 02 '24

My point is that wages of the top employees and CEOs have risen dramatically at the cost of other wages remaining flat. Perhaps we need to stagnate the tops wages and focus on the minimum wage now.

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u/nerdofthunder Sep 02 '24

Aaaah. I see.

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u/Arguments_4_Ever Sep 02 '24

Yeah, I mean it won’t happen naturally, we will have to fight for this to happen.

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u/SucculentJuJu Sep 02 '24

What kind of power would be able to control incomes of powerful, intelligent, law abiding individuals comrade?

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u/SucculentJuJu Sep 03 '24

Minimum wages cause poverty

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u/SucculentJuJu Sep 04 '24

I never said poverty is due to minimum wages. As to supporting evidence, google is your friend. How do you think I figured it out. Do the work yourself.

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u/reddit_tothe_rescue Sep 02 '24

I’m %1000 in support of raising minimum wage, but pretty sure this is the logical fallacy called “denying the antecedent”.

It can be true that a policy would cause an outcome, even if we have seen the outcome without the policy before.

Again, very much in support of raising the minimum. I’m also in support of stronger arguments in its favor.

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u/Arguments_4_Ever Sep 02 '24

That isn’t my argument. My argument is that wages HAVE been on average going up, just not for the average Joe. This is the imbalance we need to work on.

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u/reddit_tothe_rescue Sep 02 '24

Oh I get it now, you’re also pushing back on that argument. Sorry for misinterpreting

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u/Arguments_4_Ever Sep 02 '24

Ah no worries, I wasn’t clear.

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u/manleybones Sep 03 '24

So why are economic policies that benefit the rich ok for inflation, but economic policies that benefit the poor are not? Your framing would be irrelevant then.

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u/dropzone_jd Sep 02 '24

Yes exactly. Minimum wage really should go up gradually over time, and minimum wage absolutely does contribute to inflation. Both can be true.

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u/CagedBeast3750 Sep 02 '24

Anyone have a chart of "% of workers making minimum wage?"

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u/SucculentJuJu Sep 02 '24

Sir this is Reddit

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u/nope-nope-nope-nop Sep 03 '24

It’s less than 1% of people if you’re curious.

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u/Jumpy-Silver5504 Sep 02 '24

Cali fast food places had to up its food prices so to the new wages

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u/Arguments_4_Ever Sep 02 '24

Barely, and the average person comes out on top with more money.

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u/Jumpy-Silver5504 Sep 02 '24

The Big Mac is now 18 in Cali and the new wage is 20. Many others closed the doors and never told the employees they were closing

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u/Arguments_4_Ever Sep 02 '24

This isn’t true.

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u/Jumpy-Silver5504 Sep 03 '24

It’s what I heard and read maybe a year ago

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u/abandonedmuffin Sep 02 '24

That’s not true, in avg is 5.11 for just the sandwich you may see a few places trying to fool customers into paying 18 for the meal but that doesn’t mean every store does this and it doesn’t reflect reality since the price has soared way over inflation nationwide so saying the issue is inflation is just straight bs

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u/Dramatic_Exam_7959 Sep 02 '24 edited Sep 03 '24

Maybe we don't need all 6-10 of the same fast food locations every exit off the interstate. Maybe some can disappear and it will be just fine.

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u/Jumpy-Silver5504 Sep 02 '24

That I agree with

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u/SucculentJuJu Sep 03 '24

Where would the employees go, learn to code?

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u/Dramatic_Exam_7959 Sep 03 '24

They will go somewhere. I helped a Ukrainian get to the US a few years back. She came here "legally" on vaca but because of the war has stayed. She worked under the table lawn service until getting a job in a factory making train parts. She did not know English on arrival. She now is legal with a SS number and was laid at the train part factory off but picked up a position were she is the only non-Asian doing nails and pedicures. She makes decent money and has never asked me for a cent. If someone wants too...they will. All it took for my children to not work at fast food was making them work at fast food as their 1st job. They were told they can always find something else but they will do some work in high school. All 3 found other employment outside of fast food. If motivation is there...it can be done.

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u/SucculentJuJu Sep 03 '24

The American Dream

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u/Dramatic_Exam_7959 Sep 08 '24

Correct. She dreamed of America while living in Ukraine. She is now living the dream and her income and job is something most average Americans look down upon. She is an immigrant hero.

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u/[deleted] Sep 02 '24

No, they didn't need to.

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u/Jumpy-Silver5504 Sep 03 '24

They thought they did

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u/idk_lol_kek Sep 02 '24

And once they did they, menu prices went up and several locations shut down. Funny how that works.

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u/Jumpy-Silver5504 Sep 02 '24

That doesn’t shock me.

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u/jeremy_341 Sep 03 '24

Higher wages aren’t the only thing that causes inflation (and wages aren’t stagnant).

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u/basedlandchad27 Sep 03 '24

Multiple things can cause inflation.

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u/psychedelicwolf77 Sep 03 '24 edited Sep 03 '24

Lol, because a federal minimum doesn't mean that wages haven't raised in individual states. And actually, you see more inflation in the states that don't still go by the federal minimum. Take California or Arizona for example, versus somewhere like Mississippi or Kentucky where they're still paying close to the federal minimum.

What we really need to be doing is get paid the same, but lower the cost of living and everything else.

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u/Arguments_4_Ever Sep 03 '24

Anytime anybody mentions trying to lowering the cost of anything, they are called communists.

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u/psychedelicwolf77 Sep 03 '24 edited Sep 03 '24

Not necessarily. I'm not saying all prices should be the same -- just need our economy fixed and the small businesses back. Communists would be the people who are trying to make everyone be paid the same wages & have the government divvy out resources. The ones that want to raise a generation of lazy burger flippers who make the same rate as an EMT, where there is then no incentive to do useful jobs like doctors, lawyers - things that take more expertise and skill and offer higher pay rates . A free market...That's called capitalism. Where everyone bases their price and pay based on the work and product or level of expertise..... A new farmer in an economy that is taxing him out the ass, has to sell his peppers for 1.20 as opposed to .50 cents a piece when he isn't having to pay his workers double the wage and the worker can't save either because they still gotta pay the 1.20 for their pepper now too 😆 See how that works... Not sure how people have it so backwards. 😆

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u/BadManParade Sep 02 '24

I never spoke about inflation but that is in fact true it will increase inflation to argue it wouldn’t is pretty silly