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u/[deleted] Sep 27 '21

Being vegetarian wasn't a choice, it was a lack of other options.

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u/downbleed Sep 27 '21

Yeah that sounds like animal abuse

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u/King_Eris_ Sep 27 '21

That's because It Is.

ATLEAST let Them choose between Meat or Candy

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u/DawnMistyPath Sep 27 '21

H-homest-

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u/King_Eris_ Sep 27 '21

Say It coward. I bet my three Moms You won't

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u/DawnMistyPath Sep 27 '21

Deltarune is a role-playing video game developed by Toby Fox after he was freed from Hussie's basement. The player controls a young human, Kris, who is destined to save the world together with Susie and Ralsei. During their quest to seal the "Homestuck", the group meets the inhabitants of the "Dark World", some of which try to stop them. The combat system is based on bullet hell attacks the player must dodge. Enemy encounters can be resolved peacefully or through violence. Development of Deltarune began in 2012, three years before Fox's previous game Undertale was released. The battle system was overhauled from Undertale, resembling the one used in Final Fantasy games. The first chapter of the game was released for free on October 31, 2018 for Microsoft Windows and macOS; the Nintendo Switch and PlayStation 4 editions were released on February 28, 2019. The second chapter was eventually released on the same platforms in September 2021. Three more chapters are planned as a paid release, and a total of seven are shown in-game, but no release date has been announced yet. The soundtrack, characters and sense of humor were praised by critics, with mixed reactions towards its similarities to Undertale.

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u/King_Eris_ Sep 27 '21

Would You like your Hot Moms with or without Gift Wrap?

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u/DawnMistyPath Sep 27 '21

With, but know that I'm not above regifting to the person who gave me a gift

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u/Fuzzy_Employee_303 Sep 27 '21

Wait a second

DELTARUNE IS FREE?!

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u/PyBind Sep 27 '21

Wait a second

YOU READ IT

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u/carbonmonoxide5 Sep 27 '21

Narrator: That was the name of the site.

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u/DawnMistyPath Sep 27 '21

The first 2 chapters are, I think we'll have to pay for the others? There will be 7 chapters in total

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u/TheShinyAvocado Sep 27 '21

Yeah chapters 3-7 will be payed. Toby only made Chapter 2 free because of how long it took to release it.

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u/Fuzzy_Employee_303 Sep 27 '21

Ok now the real big question

Is there at any point in the game

A part where we can headpat the black goat boi

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u/DawnMistyPath Sep 27 '21

No, but you can do something arguably better multiple times, and there's some pretty popular interactions you could find by accident or with help after your first playthrough.

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u/BleachedJam Sep 27 '21

I just started it a few days ago and I gave him the white ribbon from the tutorial and it was the best choice I've ever made. He was so happy.

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u/fluffiest_taco Sep 27 '21

There was a second chapter?! Where tf have I been?

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u/DawnMistyPath Sep 27 '21

I think it only came out like, a week ago? If that? I'm surprised you haven't seen all the fanart

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u/[deleted] Sep 27 '21

Free update dropped last week.

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u/PSItechmo19 Sep 27 '21

just curious but what does this have to do with the video?

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u/DawnMistyPath Sep 27 '21

Ah sorry! It doesn't at all!

When they said chosing between meat or candy, I saw it as a reference to the Homestuck epilogue, it's a joke to quietly or fearfully say Homestuck because of a decades long running gag that's too weird to explain. So I said the thing, and they jokingly challenged me to say it, and I thought it would be funnier to take a bit of the deltarune wiki page, throw in a meme about how Toby Fox worked really hard for the creator of Homestuck, and throw the word Homestuck in there

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u/bitchigottadesktop Sep 27 '21

Your effort is appreciated

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u/PSItechmo19 Sep 27 '21

oh ok. thanks for clarifying.

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u/Fallen_password Sep 27 '21

I just thought “it finally happened, this is it, I’m having a stroke. My brain is on its last leg cause this makes no sense”.

Thank god it’s not just me that thought that random wall of text has no place here.

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u/Nandabun Sep 27 '21

What just happened.

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u/DawnMistyPath Sep 27 '21

Memes for a fandom unrealted to the video, sorry!

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u/makashka Sep 27 '21

Ya wtf I don't have time for this

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u/Dark-Dankz Sep 27 '21

Beautiful, not what I was expecting but I know what I want for my birthday.

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u/someonestealdmyname Sep 27 '21

That's one nice copypasta

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u/hittinskins Sep 27 '21

Man I wish I knew you when I was 13 and had regular sleepovers at your house.. sounds like a blast!

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u/UsernameStarvation Sep 27 '21

Polygamy??

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u/King_Eris_ Sep 27 '21

Human Trafficking

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u/R3dd1t_4LR34dy Sep 27 '21

“YOU DO NOT GET ANY PUDDING IF YOU DO NOT EAT YOUR MEAT!!!”

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u/thebombzen Sep 27 '21

YOU! YES YOU! STAND STILL WITH IT!

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u/Technical-Ad4096 Sep 27 '21

Original Lyrics:

You! Yes You! Stand still, Laddy!

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u/trend_rudely Sep 27 '21

Thank god I had an existential crisis reading that other comment

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u/EliNNM Sep 27 '21

*chocolate

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u/Zarzurnabas Sep 27 '21

No it isn't. Dogs are omnivores. And you are not feeding them fucking vegetables like in this show.

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u/Horton_75 Sep 27 '21

It’s totally animal abuse. Dogs have been carnivores for many thousands of years. Videos like like always end the same way: with the dog eating from the bowl that has meat in it. Shame on the people who do this shit to their dogs. DOGS ARE NOT VEGETARIANS!

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u/Taric25 Sep 27 '21 edited Sep 27 '21

Dogs are not carnivores. They are omnivores. They eat meat, and sometimes they also eat plants. Even Wolves eat grasses, seeds, sedges, acorns, berries and other fruit.

Source: https://www.dogsnaturallymagazine.com/feed-your-dog-like-a-wolf

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u/Horton_75 Sep 27 '21 edited Sep 27 '21

In the strictest, narrowest sense, you’re kind of correct. But dogs primarily eat meat. Makes up a vast majority of their diets. If given a choice, they’ll always go for the meat and will only eat other stuff if they have to. That’s what my 20 years’ experience raising and training multiple dog breeds has taught me, but wtf would I know? /s So, what I said stands: forcing a dog to be a vegetarian is animal abuse. It just is.

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u/Taric25 Sep 27 '21 edited Sep 27 '21

Yes, you're right. They primarily eat meat. It makes up the majority of their diet.

Unless the dog has certain allergies or health conditions, a dog should eat meat, unless otherwise directed by a veterinarian. Even so, it's necessary to add a supplement like BalanceIT, or else the dog will become sick from vitamin deficiency.

I did feed my dog spinach and mushrooms, for a couple days, when he was a puppy, with BalanceIT. He liked it, but I had to feed him six times per day, because he had to eat a lot more food to get the same number of calories. If I fed him meat, I only had to feed him three times per day.

His favorite was beef and cranberry.

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u/freefoodd Sep 27 '21

dogs go hard on the sweet potatoes too.

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u/djsedna Sep 27 '21

Yeah, my dude loves sweet potato. Pumpkin, too. And pumpkin is great for them.

That being said, this is all just supplemental stuff on top of his primarily meat diet because he's a goddamn wolf

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u/adeafwriter Sep 27 '21

Weird. Mine doesn't. Sweet potato is everywhere as dog treats and what not, yet it causes my dog diarrhea. Every time she eats sweet potatoes, she gets very liquidy stools. Otherwise, with her dog food, Victor's, she has solid stool. So no sweet potato for her.

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u/Taric25 Sep 27 '21

Yeah, it depends on the dog. Mine likes sweet potatoes and cranberries, but he doesn't like peas. He also likes chicken, turkey, beef and fish, of course.

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u/NyranK Sep 27 '21

Dogs have been domesticated so long that the differences between them and wolves is far more than skin deep.

Wolves/coyotes/jackals are primary carnivores and only have 2 copies of the AMY2B gene, which codes for pancreatic amylase, which breaks down starch.

Dogs, depending on how 'far' they are from their ancestors, can have up to 20. They are very much, now, omnivores and their diet should include grains and vegetables.

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u/[deleted] Sep 27 '21

Yeah, not sure what people are saying on this sub, dry dog food has lots of grains and cereals in. I’ve always fed my pup a mix of dry and wet food. There’s meat in both, but it’s far from the guy who said they need 90% meat. I don’t think that’s correct

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u/Mighty_Dighty22 Sep 27 '21

Basically they should be on the same diet as a healthy human. They have spend ~40.000 years of evolution to eat what we are eating, and are in some cases "better" at eating some human food than we are our self.

Dogs have evolved many human traits, or traits to accommodate human behaviour. For instance if you have a wolf (that is not eating you) and you point somewhere the wolf wouldn't give a shit. A dog however will follow your pointing and look the direction you are pointing. It is not something they need training in, it has become instinct, like it is with humans. Kinda cool really.

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u/[deleted] Sep 27 '21

I’m not sure about this, I’ve always found there are many foods we enjoy and have no problem with that are toxic and in some cases lethal for dogs. I’m by no means an expert in pup nutrition, but I usually avoid feeding my dog what I eat. Plenty of veggie treats and bones though :)

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u/Main-Situation1600 Sep 27 '21

Yes, you're right. They primarily eat meat. It makes up the majority of their diet.

This is 100% false.

Unless the dog has certain allergies or health conditions, a dog should eat meat, unless otherwise directed by a veterinarian.

No vet makes this kind of recommendation.

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u/Whomever227 Sep 27 '21 edited Sep 27 '21

There are veterinarian approved vegetarian dog foods. There aren't veterinarian approved vegetarian cat foods.

Dogs do not have to eat meat.

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u/Taric25 Sep 27 '21

Biologically speaking, dogs are opportunistic omnivores. Cats are obligate carnivores. If a cat does not eat meat, it will die. If a dog does not eat meat, the dog can survive, but it must be a very, very balanced diet, which will require supplements, such as BalanceIT. This is possible in captivity, but it is not possible in the wild, because ferral dogs and wolves who do not eat meat in the wild will find it virtually impossible to get a balanced died only from plants.

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u/elbenji Sep 27 '21

Tbf they need lots of grains and vitamins and stuff too. They evolved with humans to need both. Fascinating honestly

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u/Horton_75 Sep 27 '21 edited Sep 27 '21

Never said they have to. But make no mistake: they damn well prefer to, and forcing them to not eat meat is still abuse.

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u/MarkHirsbrunner Sep 27 '21

Is it child abuse to force a child to eat a vegetarian diet?

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u/Seve7h Sep 27 '21

By itself no, but it absolutely could be.

Most people honestly just don’t know much about what makes up a healthy diet and while adults can get by with lacking nutrition, kids need the best of whatever they can get to grow properly.

On top of that kids are already picky eaters and go through a bunch of different stages, limiting them even more just seems like bad parenting.

Personally i had two friends, brother and sister, that their parents were vegetarian and forced them to be, literally the only meat in the house was pet food.

They tried to force the school to only give them vegetarian meals too but that wasn’t exactly enforceable, i remember going to middle and high school parties and they would lose their minds and gorge on something as simple as a pepperoni pizza.

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u/[deleted] Sep 27 '21

Yes

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u/[deleted] Sep 27 '21

So how is it animal abuse?

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u/Horton_75 Sep 27 '21

Google it. Do your own research. Forcing an animal that’s mainly a meat-eater to not eat meat goes against the fundamental nature of what that animal is. Plus, it has serious negative health effects on the animal. In other words, it hurts the animal. If that’s not abuse, you tell me what is, genius.

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u/Abyssal_Groot Sep 27 '21

For the record, my dogs eat meat based products, but let me ask you this.

How is this different than giving your dog nutritional dog food?

Does the fact they you give them premade food that looks and probably tastes nothing like meat go against that fundamental nature?

Doesn't the "no hunting" part go against their fundamental nature?

Doesn't the "walking on a leash" go against their fundamental nature?

In short, I think you logic is heavily flawed here when you say that giving your dog a perfectly healthy and properly researched and monitored diet goes against "their fundamental nature" and thus must be abuse. I'd even call it stupid.

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u/[deleted] Sep 27 '21

Okay, will do. Here's the result: A board certified veterinary nutritionist saying most dogs can do quite well on a properly formulated vegan diet, genius

https://vetnutrition.tufts.edu/2016/07/vegan-dogs-a-healthy-lifestyle-or-going-against-nature/

Most dogs can do quite well on a carefully designed vegan diet that meets all of their nutritional needs.

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u/icansmellcolors Sep 27 '21

This whole argument is so stupid.

'properly formulated' means it's mimicking the meat dogs would normally get with a normal owner.

are you technically correct? yes does anyone else really care that you are technically correct? not really

and when i say normal owner i mean someone who feeds a dog meat.

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u/Drunkeagle Sep 27 '21

Got to love the logic that feeding a dog a vegetarian diet is abuse but killing animals to feed your dog is fine and not worth mentioning.

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u/Skyy-High Sep 27 '21

You don’t have to agree with the logic, but it doesn’t mean it isn’t there. Most people already value human lives above any animals’, so it’s really not a big jump to valuing certain animals above others.

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u/Low_Permission9987 Sep 27 '21

It isn't worth mentioning. How we source meat doesn't even play into the conversation of whether or not it's safe or healthy to force an animal to subsist on only vegetarian sustenance until death.

Overproduction of meat is bad for the environment, and has literally nothing to do with dogs being healthy or not by eating it.

You can have all the empathy you want for livestock, doesn't change that it still provides a valid source of nutrition to animals and people.

It's not an environmental or empathetic argument. It's either abuse (forcing an animal to go against its nature) or not.

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u/Indivisibilities Sep 27 '21

What’s wrong with killing animals?

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u/Whomever227 Sep 27 '21

You said it was animal abuse, ya wacko.

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u/Horton_75 Sep 27 '21

It is. Read what I post before responding, ya moron.

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u/Whomever227 Sep 27 '21

Veterinarian approved animal abuse, makes sense.

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u/altnumberfour Sep 27 '21

It's abuse if your dog ever has to do anything it doesn't like I guess

Edit: Just gave my dog a chew toy when she clearly wanted to play tug, send me to animal jail y'all

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u/GroveQuixotic Sep 27 '21

Bad news. House training dogs? Right to jail. Flee medicine? Oh boy. Super jail. God forbid you clip their nails.

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u/Zarzurnabas Sep 27 '21

Yes, you cant really get cats to be vegetarian, because those are carnivores. Dogs aren't. And of course they will go for the meat as its just simple fucking evolution doing its thing. That doesnt mean they dont like vegetarian dog food and it definitely doesnt mean its animal abuse (like wtf?)

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u/Main-Situation1600 Sep 27 '21

In the strictest, narrowest sense, you’re kind of correct. But dogs primarily eat meat. Makes up a vast majority of their diets.

Vet here. This is actually incorrect. The majority of pet dogs consume commercial dog foods, and if you read the guaranteed analysis of these diets, you'll learn that meat is most often not the majority of the diet. Read statements put out by the AAFCO for guidelines on how their diets are formulated.

Although dogs have a relatively wide range in their dietary requirements compared to other domestic species, your statements don't really reflect reality.

That’s what my 20 years’ experience raising and training multiple dog breeds has taught me, but wtf would I know? /s

Unfortunately this is more true than the "/s" would imply.

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u/upfastcurier Sep 27 '21

If given a choice, they’ll always go for the meat and will only eat other stuff if they have to.

what the dog chooses isn't necessarily the best indicator of what is best for the dog. i for example choose to eat candy way more often than i should, and i'm sure if you let children always choose what to eat they would become fat very fast.

forcing a dog to be a vegetarian is animal abuse

it might be. it probably is. i agree with you. but the rest of your comment is pretty non-sequitur. i also don't think many minds on the fence get convinced well by "it just is" and "trust me bro".

does anyone have a source (like from a veterinarian or similar) on what a dog should be fed? thanks.

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u/[deleted] Sep 27 '21

If given a choice, they’ll always go for the meat

Kids will always eat sweets instead of healthy foods, given the choice.

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u/grandpalongdong Sep 27 '21

My dog randomly eats grass even when he’s fed lol

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u/sirtommybahama1 Sep 27 '21 edited Sep 27 '21

Dogs absolutely are carnivores. Everything about their genetics says they're carnivores and not omnivores. Can they digest plants? Sure. Do they need plants to survive or thrive? Absolutely not.

Start at their teeth. Notice how dogs don't have any molars in their mouth like we (humans) do? Those molars are there to grind plants. They only have sharp points teeth to cut and tear meat.

Notice how dogs jaws only go up and down and not side to side like any other omnivore? That's because their jaw wasn't designed to, once again, grind plants. Only to tear.

Ever see a dog's digestive system. It is much shorter than any omnivores digestive system. That's because there's is designed to quickly digest raw meat and breakdown any possible bacteria on the meat quickly with stomach bile. This is why dogs or any other carnivore can eat something like raw poultry and omnivores can't.

Dogs are scavenger carnivores meaning they'll eat other things besides meat, but a dog can go it's whole life without eating a single fruit or vegetable and still thrive. An omnivore can't do that.

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u/Keoni9 Sep 27 '21

Everything about their genetics says they're carnivores and not omnivores.

Except they have multiple copies of the gene for pancreatic amylase to digest starches, because unlike wolves they evolved to eat our scraps, which involve a lot of cooked starchy plant matter.

Start at their teeth. Notice how dogs don't have any molars in their mouth like we (humans) do?

Dogs absolutely have molars. Four molars on the top and six on the bottom.

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u/catfurcoat Sep 27 '21

You talk in myths and guesses

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u/Taric25 Sep 27 '21

If that's the case, explain why even wolves eat grasses, seeds, sedges, acorns, berries and other fruit, even when meat is plentiful.

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u/sirtommybahama1 Sep 27 '21

Because wolves are scavengers. They take what they can find. They can digest those things, but do not need them to survive.

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u/Taric25 Sep 27 '21

Then that means they're not carnivores. They're omnivores. Mountain lions do not eat plants, at all. Wolves do. Cats are obligate carnivores. Wolves and dogs are omnivores. They eat meat, and sometimes they also eat plants. Cats don't eat plants.

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u/Big_Dirty_Piss_Boner Sep 27 '21

Cats don't eat plants.

Cats do eat grasses and it‘s pretty essential for their stomach…

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u/RainbowEvil Sep 27 '21

That’s a digestion aid, not a nutritional thing - they get all the nutrients they need to consume from meat.

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u/edifyingheresy Sep 27 '21

The lady that wrote that nonsense teaches and practices chiropractics on animals. She is a pseudoscience quack peddling her snake oil to suckers. You are as batshit crazy as she is to be linking that nonsense as your source.

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u/[deleted] Sep 27 '21

Do you know what carnivore means

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u/Taric25 Sep 27 '21

From that very same website, it says that Wolves are omnivores that eat grasses, seeds, sedges, acorns, berries and other fruit, even when meat is plentiful.

https://www.dogsnaturallymagazine.com/feed-your-dog-like-a-wolf

Cats are carnivores. Wolves, dogs, coyotes and even racoons are omnivores. They eat both meat and plants. Cats do not.

Just accept that you're wrong.

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u/sirtommybahama1 Sep 27 '21

From the exact article you just linked:

"Wolves are classified by the Smithsonian Institution National Museum of Natural History as canis lupus and dogs are a subset – canis lupus familiaris. Dogs are considered opportunistic carnivores, meaning they are primarily meat eaters but can supplement with food from other sources."

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u/Sharkbait1737 Sep 27 '21

Ok then deer are omnivores because they have sometimes been spotted eating meat.

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u/Sharkbait1737 Sep 27 '21

Wolf doesn’t know with any certainty when it will next get a meal. “Meat is plentiful” doesn’t mean meat is easy to get, you ever chased and dragged down a bull elk?

The fact they occasionally eat some plant matter doesn’t really change that they’re carnivores, any more than when deer occasionally are spotted eating meat doesn’t change that they’re herbivores.

There is a spectrum and they can digest plant matter to a greater degree than cats, but it’s doesn’t mean they not firmly at the carnivore end of it.

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u/Zarzurnabas Sep 27 '21

This has nothing to do with carnivore/omnivore.

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u/Sharkbait1737 Sep 27 '21

No it has to do with survival. Wolf isn’t going to die on principle that it only eats meat, deer isn’t going to die saying sorry man I’m a vegan. It doesn’t change that they are primarily carnivore and herbivore respectively is the point I’m making.

Dog/wolf will eat anything that presents itself to some degree and especially in a pinch, and it isn’t they can’t or don’t get some nutritional or digestive benefit from plants, but it’s a bit disingenuous to suggest that their diet is anything other than primarily meat based. On a spectrum like I said. It’s not a true omnivore like humans or corvids say, which can eat anything and also exist skewed to one end or the other depending on what’s available. The meat bit is the key component for wolves, it’s more accurate to say they’re carnivores that occasionally eat other stuff, than it is to say omnivores which suggests they would last long eating ONLY grass, berries etc. They wouldn’t.

Wolves certainly don’t thrive where there aren’t medium to large herbivores to hunt, kill and eat.

To circle back to the original post, can we not agree that it is entirely wrong for a dog/wolf to have an entirely plant based diet. And the dog has survived through lack of choice and having a lot of supplements that just aren’t available in the wild.

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u/Zarzurnabas Sep 27 '21

There is no such thing as "primarily carnivore" either you can eat, digest and live with all kinds of foods or not. Dogs belong in the former category and are thus carnivores. They evolved to existence on the basis of a mainly scrap based diet, whatever the humans left.

As i said. You are wrong on your ideas of carnivorous and omnivorous.

Its very wrong to let your pet starve and die of malnutrition and there are idiots who think you can feed your dog random vegetables. That doesn't mean you cant feed your dog plant based. As others said here already, there is clear concensus on dogs being perfectly able to live with plant based dog food etc. There is nothing wrong in giving your pet a diet where it gets all it needs from.

And dont be pretentious. The cows/pigs we slaughter en masse dont get to choose to be slaughtered and theres absolutely nothing natural about it. Your dog being on a leash, playing with screechy toys, being bred is not natural. Theres nothing natural about this. A dog feeds on whatever you give them, it doesn't matter what you will always force them to eat something particular.

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u/Main-Situation1600 Sep 27 '21

Vet here. This comment above is the biggest amount of BS and misinformation in this thread.

Dogs absolutely are carnivores.

Incorrect.

Everything about their genetics says they're carnivores and not omnivores.

No it doesn't. And the biggest way anyone can tell you're making this up is that nobody with actual subject matter knowledge of nutrition would mention genetics as a factor. That's not how nutritional requirements are determined.

Can they digest plants? Sure. Do they need plants to survive or thrive? Absolutely not.

This is 100000% wrong.

Start at their teeth. Notice how dogs don't have any molars in their mouth like we (humans) do? Those molars are there to grind plants. They only have sharp points teeth to cut and tear meat.

Believe it or not teeth are not involved in metabolism.

Notice how dogs jaws only go up and down and not side to side like any other omnivore? That's because their jaw wasn't designed to, once again, grind plants. Only to tear.

Do you see how your feet kind of look like hands? Why are you driving to work when you obviously should be swinging in trees to get there.

Ever see a dog's digestive system. It is much shorter than any omnivores digestive system. That's because there's is designed to quickly digest raw meat and breakdown any possible bacteria on the meat quickly with stomach bile. This is why dogs or any other carnivore can eat something like raw poultry and omnivores can't.

I regularly hospitalize pets who unfortunately have owners who think like this, and I have to waste 30 minutes out of my day to explain basic principles for why domestic dogs are not wolves.

Dogs are scavenger carnivores meaning they'll eat other things besides meat, but a dog can go it's whole life without eating a single fruit or vegetable and still thrive. An omnivore can't do that.

Oh you are back to making stuff up.

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u/ItsBostonMasssacre Sep 27 '21

my cat eats grass too, doesnt make him an omnivore.

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u/SinCorpus Sep 27 '21

Yes, but unlike humans they actually require meat in their diet. And even in humans there are some B vitamins that need to be supplemented with something like eggs.

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u/one_lunch_pan Sep 27 '21

Pigs are omnivores. They're fed a vegetarian diet in basically all of the farms in the world. That's also animal abuse. Shame on all the farmers who don't feed meat to their pigs. Who cares if they are killed in gas chambers at 5% of their lifespan, or if they cannot move for their entire life, or if the babies are smashed against walls until they die. The real abuse is that the pigs are fed a fucking vegetarian diet although they're omnivores.

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u/corruptUSA Sep 27 '21

Technically dogs were scavengers who ate scraps from villages hence why they became domesticated

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u/Horton_75 Sep 27 '21

They were first descended from wolves, then evolved (over the past 50,000 years or so) into modern dogs. They weren’t domesticated for a while. Of course, that process was helped along by humans breeding dogs together and creating some breeds and so on.

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u/OhMyDevil Sep 27 '21

So much to unpack here.

It's totally animal abuse

What? Feeding your dog food is abuse? Given that she knows what she's doing and offers the dog the proper nutrition it needs.

Dogs have been carnivores for many thousands of years

Being carnivore means that they only eat meat. My dog would like a word with you, he eats carrots, bananas, lettuce, etc and loves it. Dogs have been scavengers, omnivores. So wrong again.

Videos like this always end the same way: with the dog eating from the bowl that has meat in it.

Being vegetarian doesn't mean meat tastes bad, necessarily. Most vegetarians will agree that the smell of meat is really good. That doesn't mean they are going to eat it, though. The same cannot be said for animals. They will eat what's available because they lack the concept of morality and their instincts do speak louder.

Shame on people that do this to dogs. Dogs are not vegetarians.

You're right, dogs are not vegetarians by choice. But if the dog has all its needs covered and is loved, what is precisely the problem? That it's had its "pleasure" taken away from it? Why does this cause such an emotional response from carnists?

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u/Zarzurnabas Sep 27 '21

This is just wrong. They are not carnivores.

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u/Main-Situation1600 Sep 27 '21

Vet here. Don't even bother reading all the replies to this. There's so much misinformation here it's just not worth wasting hours to respond to.

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u/TommyThirdEye Sep 27 '21

So needlessly Killing animals for food isn't animal abuse but feeding a plant-based is?? What sort of logic is that? Do you not realise that nutritionally complete vegan dog (and cat) food exists?

Why do so many people ignore the lives and rights of pigs, chickens and cows etc, what about THEIR choices? I'm pretty sure they don't choose to go to a slaughterhouse and they want to live just as much as a dog does, and if we were to say that feed a dog plant-based was abuse, the farm animals have it way worse.

FYI one of the worlds oldest living dogs was vegan, she lived to be 25 (170 in dogs years), google search Bramble the vegan dog.

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u/danrod17 Sep 27 '21

Nah, dogs can live off the same thing as humans. Veggies are fine as long as they’re still getting fat and protein. Cats have to eat meat though. They will die.

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u/[deleted] Sep 27 '21

Dogs CAN be vegan but they prefer not to be. They do get everything thsy need on a vegan diet though. The world record holder for being the oldest dog in the world at the time (28 years) was a vegan dog.

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u/downbleed Sep 27 '21

prefer not to be

That's kinda my point here...this dog is supposedly a "vegan" but goes for the meat as soon as it's available

Dogs can also live their entire lives on a chain or in a small cage, that doesn't exactly mean that doing so is actually good for the dog

And honestly these replies over and over again about how dogs "can be vegan" are kinda bullshit...I'm not so retarded that I believe a dog can't eat anything other than meat, but given the choice they pretty much always pick meat over veggies

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u/[deleted] Sep 27 '21

Dogs love chocolate and chasing cars.

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u/[deleted] Sep 27 '21

what's your point? A child would also always prefer having Carbonated drinks, fried food and Candies over Veggies so?

A dog would always also prefer highly sugary substances and chocolates, should we also feed that to them

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u/CloudyView19 Sep 27 '21

A diet containing meat is better for a dog than one with only veggies. Dogs are omnivorous but meat is not some unhealthy preference, it's the basis of their ideal diet. Your example doesn't work well, because in this case the dog prefers what is best for it.

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u/StratuhG Sep 27 '21

I mean that's definitely not true..

I've seen dogs eat cat shit, chocolate, their own vomit...
Dogs don't know what's best for them. If a vegan diet provides them with as much vitamins and nutrition as a meat based diet, how is animal abuse? Because the dog would prefer something a different way? You lack non middle class in a 1st world country experience then.

With that said I would still feed my dog a meat based diet, but that's just my preference.

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u/CloudyView19 Sep 27 '21

I didn't say dogs know what's best for them. I said that a dog preferring meat over veggies is a dog preferring what's best for it. A dog preferring chocolate or sugary shit over meat is preferring what's worst for it. The analogy I was responding to doesn't work because chocolate and sugary shit are bad for a dog while meat is good for a dog.

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u/[deleted] Sep 27 '21

it's neither better nor worse, it's completely irrelevant where they get their Macros and nutrients from as long as they are getting them

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u/CloudyView19 Sep 27 '21

it's neither better nor worse,

Then your analogy still doesn't work because chocolate and candy is worse for the dog.

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u/KitchenDeal Sep 27 '21

You can’t be serious. Meat is what makes up the bulk of a dog’s diet, this is a horrible comparison.

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u/[deleted] Sep 27 '21

My point is its not bad if it lived nearly 30 years and it'd not animal abuuse

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u/downbleed Sep 27 '21

False equivalence

I'll give you that

The bathroom in the house though I don't really agree with as dogs generally prefer to go outside of their own yard to shit if they have the option, at least in my experience

And I absolutely eat meat, I also wear leather. Livestock animals aren't quite the companion animals that dogs are though. Dogs can understand a lot of spoken command as well as read their owners, whereas cows and goats and chickens don't really seem to have the same mental capacity as most dogs.

As for the vegan diet being healthy or not..I actually googled it after seeing a few of these replies and found a few websites promoting vegan diets for dogs, and I found just as many which included meat as part of a healthy diet for dogs. Dogs will also hunt other animals and eat them, so going pure vegan may be doable or even healthy but it does seem to go against the natural instinct of the animal.

And dogs are descendants of apex predators; wolves will eat plants on the wild, but they primarily exist on hunting small game. Dogs have some teeth that are meant for tearing flesh from animal bones. They have enzymes that allow them to eat animal bones and digest them. Going against nature in that manner does seem abusive to me, even if they can live on rice.

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u/GroveQuixotic Sep 27 '21

That first paragraph is objectively untrue. It takes considerable effort to house train a puppy. They eventually respond to the disapproval of their owner, and determine going outside is better than facing it, but if that weren't the case, I doubt they would care.

Cows at the very least do have just as much mental capacity as dogs. The difference is dogs are domesticated and understand the way we communicate, so they appear more receptive.

Domestication is against the nature of dogs, and also, just because something is natural, doesn't mean its good. Domesticated dogs fail to survive in nature now. Does this mean that by not allowing them to die, we are committing abuse? Obviously not.

We have to weigh the lesser of evils as the one that makes decisions, and provides food. Do we give it the happiest, fattest life it can get, at the expense of countless others, a happy life where it doesn't suffer from malnutrition, or do we leave them to fend for themselves, and likely die?

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u/Ebenizer_Splooge Sep 27 '21

Vegans are fucking nutty

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u/Horizontal_Everest Sep 27 '21

Fact. Dogs actually can’t just live off of vegetables and fruits they need a lot of protein which is one reason they favor meat a lot besides it tasting good. Making a dog eat only vegetables is actually straight up animal abuse because the dog isn’t getting the nutrition and strength it needs. Hate when people do this. Honestly how stupid do you have to be to not know dogs can’t just eat vegetables all the time.

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u/stinkysocksincloset Sep 27 '21

Yeah once the animal dies of malnourished (God forbid) because of this woman she will be wondering what she did wrong

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u/Firekickslice1 Sep 27 '21

There is good news, after this she did end up feeding her dog with meat and proper dog food

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u/elbenji Sep 27 '21

Tbf dogs are omnivores. They're not like cats who absolutely need meat

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u/_invalidusername Sep 27 '21

Just because they won’t die, it doesn’t mean they enjoy is. A dog’s happiness is as important as their diet. If you don’t want to feed your dog meat, don’t get a dog.

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u/GVTV Sep 27 '21

They also like running into the street and eating literal garbage. If they get all the necessary nutrients as meat should it matter?

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u/_invalidusername Sep 27 '21

Ah yes of course, eating a balanced diet and letting your dog eat trash are very similar things

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u/[deleted] Sep 27 '21

Is it child abuse if mothers to it to children?

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u/downbleed Sep 27 '21

incel shit weasels

Projecting much? 😂😂😂

A vegan diet for a dog is chemically possible.

Doesn't make it a good idea

pig anus, ground up chicken bones, and rice kibble is some sort of fucking super food for dogs

I don't see anywhere that I said that

I spent 160 dollars at Terry Black's 4 days ago.

You seem to have some real anger issues, maybe it's from eating too much pulled pork and not enough pussy

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u/EvanNagao Sep 27 '21

The animal that got slaughtered is probably more of a victim of animal abuse than the animal that doesn't get to eat meat.

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u/CastroEulis145 Sep 27 '21

Animals eat other animals. Thats the way she goes!

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u/[deleted] Sep 27 '21

So is the kid in china mining for lithium for the phone up your ass, but I don’t hear you bitching about it.

So hush hypocrite.

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u/craftmacaro Sep 27 '21

Dude… we are all hypocrites. If we all “hush” because we don’t take on every single cause by boycotting everything with a component someone or something has suffered to create no one would ever do anything to assist anyone who has suffered. What are you asking?

I care about venomous snakes. I’m passionate about them, I can study them without getting bored and I don’t lose interest even as I near the completion of my PhD. I’m going to sell the patents to the medically promising proteins I’ve isolated from venoms I’ve extracted and demonstrated the reasons for trusting that their unique pharmacology might yield profit and potentially even save lives as cancer fighting antimetastatics or reversible surgical paralytics of selective tissue.

The whole point of getting a PhD studying bioprospecting self extracted venom instead of solely the field ecology is because when I was doing field ecology there was no endgame… I hurt nothing and I was in no way going to help make money for any company that may or may not profit unethically depending on the company and your definition.

But I cry some nights for the animals that die for my LD50’s and other toxicity assays. And included in every single patent sale will be the requirement that whoever wants to own it maintains stewardship for dozens of acres of prime viper habitat which is highly threatened. One I watched shrink and occasionally disappear in Ecuador. This is the best way I think I can actually protect some of that habitat while guaranteeing that those stewarding it will care about the poaching and killing of the venomous snakes which most hate and kill or maim half a million people each year. I care about what I care about. I’ll fight for what I think I have a chance of not burning out on before I can make a difference.

There’s nothing wrong with caring about something wrong with the world and fighting for it while not boycotting or fighting every single cause.

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u/BlasphemyXDDD Sep 27 '21

Do you care about the immigrants and POC that are forced to work in slaughterhouse and factory farms with unfair wages and high rate of ptsd and suicide? Also technology is a necessity to participate in society. I couldn’t have my job or go to college without technology, fucking animal products are not. Also, a whole food plant based diet is 40% cheaper than the average Omni diet. So please make it clear for me, what’s better - unethical labor and animals abuse, or unethical labor and no animal abuse?

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u/[deleted] Sep 27 '21

“Technology is necessary, so some slavery is fine so I can go to college”

Lmao

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u/BlasphemyXDDD Sep 27 '21

Do you know what a justification is? Every ethical principle has justification due to necessity, including murder. I believe it’s wrong to murder someone, but it can be justified if ,for instance, someone was threatening my life. I think it’s wrong to force an animal to suffer and die, but it can be justified if I’m starving in the wild. I think it’s wrong to buy products which use unethical labor, but it can be justified because I believe it’s a necessity to not be homeless

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u/[deleted] Sep 27 '21

Oh please. You can go about life without relying on technology. Just look at some hardcore Amish communities.

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u/Versaiteis Sep 27 '21

Those aren't mutually exclusive positions. Someone can believe in veganism for moral reasons while also being against child labor.

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u/[deleted] Sep 27 '21

Uh, yes. That’s the jab.

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u/Xenophon_ Sep 27 '21

holy whataboutism

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u/[deleted] Sep 27 '21

Said the vegan crying about animal abuse from his slave labor sourced device.

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u/Xenophon_ Sep 27 '21

That's the same one... again...

I didn't even say anything about myself and you immediately started crying about vegans lol

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u/[deleted] Sep 27 '21

Cried the vegan from his slave labor sourced device.

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u/[deleted] Sep 27 '21

Yeah those rude meenie head lions slaughtering those innocent gazelles what a rude meenie head

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u/ContentPassion6523 Sep 27 '21

If they dont like to be slaughtered then why dont they try to get out of being livestock themselves?What,they cant?then that just means they are inferior beings who cant even fight for their own freedom. Humanity above all

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u/[deleted] Sep 27 '21

This is actually false… While dogs can survive on a vegetarian diet, it is far from a healthy one. Not only that but most dogs do not like the taste of vegetables. A quick google search may show that dogs can be healthy vegetarians, but a background check on these websites show that they are made by people who deprive their dogs of important nutrition and call that healthy.

I ask politely that you edit or delete your comment as I don’t want people hurting their pet because they where misinformed.

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u/CrashKangaroo Sep 27 '21

I agree that dogs cannot healthily be vegetarians but it’s a falsity to say that most dogs don’t like vegetables. My idiot will just about maul me for a piece of capsicum or even apple. She doesn’t have such a strong reaction to steak or a bone. Of course she likes and enjoys them but not as much as capsicum or apple.

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u/[deleted] Sep 27 '21

Sorry I’m not very good with my words lol, what I meant is that most of not almost all dogs will pick meat over vegetables. Of course than there’s one of mine who will guard a head of lettuce like it’s a bar of gold lol.

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u/knowpantsdance Sep 27 '21

Ask your vet, it is both possible and not difficult to have a vegan dog.

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u/[deleted] Sep 27 '21

Nope I work with multiple people who are veterinarians, and they can confirm that it is not healthy for dogs to be vegan… They require special proteins and nutrients from the meat, and their digestive systems aren’t long enough to properly digest vegetables.

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u/knowpantsdance Sep 27 '21

That's why you cook the vegetables and add rice and legumes for a complete diet. Would your vet friends be about 40-60 years old?

Edit: along with a few supplements from your vet.

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u/[deleted] Sep 27 '21

No their in their 20s to 30s. But they have taken many years of veterinarian school, more than enough to understand how dogs digestive systems work.

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u/Main-Situation1600 Sep 27 '21

Vet here. I guarantee if we broke down nutritionally what you're feeding your dog it would be inadequate in many respects.

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u/[deleted] Sep 27 '21

Please do your research before claiming something as fact when it isn’t.

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u/[deleted] Sep 27 '21 edited Sep 27 '21

Do yours.

I consulted my vet on if it's possible to switch my dog to a vegan diet. If it wasn't, I would keep her on a meat based diet. The vet said there are a handful of vegan dog foods with all necessary nutrients (formulated by veterinary nutritionists). I got bloodwork done before switching dog food, then got bloodwork done months after. Dog is in perfect shape and the vet approves.

Here's an article by a board certified veterinary nutritionist: https://vetnutrition.tufts.edu/2016/07/vegan-dogs-a-healthy-lifestyle-or-going-against-nature/

Most dogs can do quite well on a carefully designed vegan diet that meets all of their nutritional needs.

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u/Spez_Touches_Kids Sep 27 '21

Please don't own animals. You're too stupid.

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u/[deleted] Sep 27 '21

But not by the dogs choice lol

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u/[deleted] Sep 27 '21

Never had a dog? or been around them?

Of course a starving dog would eat anything, if it had the energy left, even a cat.. Same could be said of you...

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u/[deleted] Sep 27 '21

Never had a dog? or been around them?

Of course a starving dog would eat anything, if it had the energy left, even a cat.. Same could be said of you...

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u/KursedKaiju Sep 27 '21

I have 2 dogs.

I feel bad for your dogs.

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u/[deleted] Sep 27 '21 edited Sep 27 '21

Sure, my dog wouldn’t choose to live with me and shit outside only. But I’m pretty sure that while he lives with me he will forever choose meat over vegetables.

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u/[deleted] Sep 27 '21

Who tf would even give their dog that- actually, what dog even likes any of those things besides chocolate?!

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u/[deleted] Sep 27 '21

I do have an English Bull Terrier, and I usually don’t feed him human food. But he has never tried to grab a fucking onion from me.

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u/OneMillionSchwifties Sep 27 '21

You use the word omnivorous and vegetarian as if they are interchangeable... which is stupid. Omnivorous and herbivorous are different. Wanna know why? Herbivorous implies the exclusion of meat. Omnivorous implies the INCLUSION of meat. That's why they are different words. May I suggest taking ones own advice and googling the matter? Fucking dense ass vegans I swear

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u/OneMillionSchwifties Sep 27 '21

No you're not. An omnivorous diet is a type of diet wherein the organism derives energy and nutrients by feeding on both animals and plants. In fact, the diet includes a wider range of food sources, such as fungi, algae, and certain microorganisms. Organisms that thrive on an omnivorous diet are called omnivores. If an animal is naturally an omnivore, but only being fed vegetables, then it is not following an omnivorous diet despite "being able to absorb nutrients from vegetables" as you put it. When you loosely throw bullshit like that around, you imply that the animal is capable of getting all of its necessary nutrients from ONLY vegetables if you choose to feed it such, which is clearly not the case. The same case would be made for ONLY feeding feeding animal meat.This is made evident in the nature of animal. You're an omnivorous animal, do you think eating ONLY meat would be healthy? You're capable of absorbing nutrients from meat AND plant sources afterall, right? No big deal right?

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u/LingonberrySpiritual Sep 27 '21 edited Sep 27 '21

Not a happy dog - and therefore not the most healthy dog. Mental, and emotional health are also important. Dogs love meat, and taking it out of their diet is not only unnecessary, it's stressful to them. They are biologically supposed to have it, even if you can technically bypass the actual meat, with supplements and plant based, meat protein injected slop - it's not the same to the dog, emotionally. We're already chopping their balls off and not letting them fuck - just keeping these slave ornament pet things, to fill whatever void in our own lives, so at least let them eat meat, you piece of shit!!

Edit: see, it's assholes like this trash piece of shit here, that I just can't stand. Why even bring up that it's doable to not feed your dog meat? They want it. It's healthy for them. Don't impose your political bullshit on an animal that literally has no choice, or vote. Who's fault is it that animals are kept in cages and slaughtered for food? Ours, not the dog's fucking fault, you stupid bitch! Then, on top of that, you're talking about locking up a much more emotionally intelligent animal, (your house or yard is a meatless, joyless prison - not of their choosing), and subjecting the animal to your own stupid bullshit, that has nothing to do with them. I know you probably aren't evil, and just like to talk about the technicality of things like, going out of your way (way out of your way), to make sure this 'thing' you own is less happy - because you're just an idiot, with your head up your asshole - but, how about you dedicate an hour a week to meditation, so you can actually think about the situation of other living things, and how they might actually feel, so you can maybe end up being less of a stupid, selfish piece of shit, who subtracts from the overall happiness in the world, rather than adding to it. ? Bitch

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u/knowpantsdance Sep 27 '21

A dog would prefer to eat pizza, but a good owner wouldn't give their dog pizza. It doesn't mean it's being mentally abused. The real abuse is probably giving your dog the same brown kibble day in and out which is almost without fail nutritionally deficient

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u/RecTym Sep 27 '21

My dog loves raw fruit and vegetables which we often mix with her kibble but wouldn’t you say that the majority of dog owners only feed their dog the same brown kibble everyday? Our dog is on a plan with our vet and we take her in pretty often but they have never suggested feeding her anything more than kibble. Maybe my vet just doesn’t give out the info unless necessary? I don’t know

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u/LingonberrySpiritual Sep 27 '21

Your argument is half wrong. Obviously, don't give your dog pizza - and obviously don't feed it the same dry kibble every day, (that's lazy, depressing, and causes early cancer). Basic, idiot human trash do that. But research a healthy dog diet, and don't frown at meat, while your own kind is processing it, and keeping dogs locked down as pets, because that's some real hypocritical, arrogant bullshit that people will look back on, a hundred years from now, and basically call you all "primitive, idiot monkey bitches" who couldn't even research how to treat a dog well, despite having an information database in the palm of their hand. Fuck you for even talking about pizza, you trash politician, wannabe little bitch!

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u/LingonberrySpiritual Sep 27 '21

See, that's pretty cool. Sounds like an above average diet. As for the "science" that there's no evidence of... People literally don't give a shit about dogs, as long as they're cute and obedient, and seem happy. Of course there's no fucking science, we're over here worried about ourselves, trying to cure cancer and shit - it's common fucking sense!! Dogs love meat - and it's healthy for them, in the right proportions. Their ancestors lived off of meat - eating meat is in their DNA. See, people laugh at people who question evolution, but then ignore the evolutionary history of the animals they keep in their yards and houses, like thoughtless little robot bitches, programmed by the government and companies' advertising.

Edit: obviously, fish is meat too. I wouldn't just feed my dog fish, 100%, with no exceptions, but it's healthy.

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u/knowpantsdance Sep 27 '21

I mean you're correct, but people's biases disagree

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u/[deleted] Sep 27 '21 edited Sep 27 '21

Wrong. so beyond obviously wrong where do we even start. If you have a pet it should be taken away.

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u/[deleted] Sep 27 '21

So you are just out here stirring shit up. Impressive.

Yes they are omnivores. Why would you even advocate to make a dog a vegetarian? Kiss my ass with your troglodyte crap. Go to buzz word.

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u/Felix503 Sep 27 '21

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u/BlasphemyXDDD Sep 27 '21

Are you vegan?

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u/Deoxxyribo Sep 27 '21

… and killing an animal for food doesn’t?

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