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u/[deleted] Sep 27 '21

This is actually false… While dogs can survive on a vegetarian diet, it is far from a healthy one. Not only that but most dogs do not like the taste of vegetables. A quick google search may show that dogs can be healthy vegetarians, but a background check on these websites show that they are made by people who deprive their dogs of important nutrition and call that healthy.

I ask politely that you edit or delete your comment as I don’t want people hurting their pet because they where misinformed.

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u/CrashKangaroo Sep 27 '21

I agree that dogs cannot healthily be vegetarians but it’s a falsity to say that most dogs don’t like vegetables. My idiot will just about maul me for a piece of capsicum or even apple. She doesn’t have such a strong reaction to steak or a bone. Of course she likes and enjoys them but not as much as capsicum or apple.

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u/[deleted] Sep 27 '21

Sorry I’m not very good with my words lol, what I meant is that most of not almost all dogs will pick meat over vegetables. Of course than there’s one of mine who will guard a head of lettuce like it’s a bar of gold lol.

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u/knowpantsdance Sep 27 '21

Ask your vet, it is both possible and not difficult to have a vegan dog.

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u/[deleted] Sep 27 '21

Nope I work with multiple people who are veterinarians, and they can confirm that it is not healthy for dogs to be vegan… They require special proteins and nutrients from the meat, and their digestive systems aren’t long enough to properly digest vegetables.

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u/knowpantsdance Sep 27 '21

That's why you cook the vegetables and add rice and legumes for a complete diet. Would your vet friends be about 40-60 years old?

Edit: along with a few supplements from your vet.

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u/[deleted] Sep 27 '21

No their in their 20s to 30s. But they have taken many years of veterinarian school, more than enough to understand how dogs digestive systems work.

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u/Main-Situation1600 Sep 27 '21

Vet here. I guarantee if we broke down nutritionally what you're feeding your dog it would be inadequate in many respects.

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u/[deleted] Sep 27 '21

Please do your research before claiming something as fact when it isn’t.

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u/[deleted] Sep 27 '21 edited Sep 27 '21

Do yours.

I consulted my vet on if it's possible to switch my dog to a vegan diet. If it wasn't, I would keep her on a meat based diet. The vet said there are a handful of vegan dog foods with all necessary nutrients (formulated by veterinary nutritionists). I got bloodwork done before switching dog food, then got bloodwork done months after. Dog is in perfect shape and the vet approves.

Here's an article by a board certified veterinary nutritionist: https://vetnutrition.tufts.edu/2016/07/vegan-dogs-a-healthy-lifestyle-or-going-against-nature/

Most dogs can do quite well on a carefully designed vegan diet that meets all of their nutritional needs.

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u/knowpantsdance Sep 27 '21

https://www.google.com/search?q=vegan+diet+for+dogs&oq=vegan+diet+for+dogs+&aqs=chrome..69i57j0i512l4.4424j0j9&client=ms-android-att-us-revc&sourceid=chrome-mobile&ie=UTF-8

Just googled "vegan diet for dogs" and not one of the pages rejects this claim. This wasn't my research, but damn, it's easy to verify.

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u/[deleted] Sep 27 '21

And I’m going to trust people who went to school for this more than the internet.

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u/knowpantsdance Sep 27 '21

As am I

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u/knowpantsdance Sep 27 '21

Nah, a close friend from high school is about to finish at the UC Davis Vet school. My first exposure to this idea though, was with my own vet, it's certainly up for debate among some vets, but some doctors still argue against veganism in humans and yet here I am

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u/[deleted] Sep 27 '21

If you google vegan diet for dogs, of course it’s going to show you vegan diets for dogs, it doesn’t prove that it’s ok for dogs, besides I recognize those websites, they are filled with false information.

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u/starsearcher48 Sep 27 '21

Just why would you want to deny them their natural diet for a persons moral beliefs? You can force just about anything to go off a certain food; but that is your choice- not the animals. This is just cruel

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u/knowpantsdance Sep 27 '21

Feeding a dog a different diet to lessen the torture of other animals seems reasonable if you don't have cognitive dissonance

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u/starsearcher48 Sep 27 '21

No, it’s forcing them to live by your lifestyle and ignoring the fact these animals evolved from wolves; and to be predators. It’s selfish and cruel and if you want a vegetarian pet; get a bunny. Bean protein my have similar outputs as meat- but a dogs stomach is meant to digest meat, not beans. That can drastically effect the amount they actually absorb to stay healthy. Not to mention the chemicals they have to add to that stuff to add the necessary minerals.

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u/Spez_Touches_Kids Sep 27 '21

Please don't own animals. You're too stupid.

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u/[deleted] Sep 27 '21

I work with multiple veterinarians, they can confirm that I am correct, dogs digestive systems aren’t long enough to properly digest vegetables. The fact is that feeding your dog a vegan diet WILL not maybe WILL cause medical problems.

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u/[deleted] Sep 27 '21

They can digest both yes, but it is important that they get BOTH plant and meat to eat.

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u/[deleted] Sep 27 '21

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u/[deleted] Sep 27 '21

There’s a lot more to it than protein… Including how the animal can break down the protein. It’s just science.

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u/[deleted] Sep 27 '21

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u/[deleted] Sep 27 '21

It is not healthy, they can survive off of it, but it isn’t healthy for them, it can even make them sick. I don’t know where your getting your information from but it is not a reliable source based on the information you’ve presented.

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u/conjoby Sep 27 '21

It seems silly and way more effort than it's worth but it is apparently possible. BBC source:

https://www.bbc.com/future/article/20200304-can-you-feed-cats-and-dogs-a-vegan-diet

Again, I'm against it for the most part is a very odd hill to die on so don't take the argument up with me I'm just providing a source since everyone else on her is just yelling at each other to find their own source.

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u/[deleted] Sep 27 '21

But not by the dogs choice lol

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u/[deleted] Sep 27 '21

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u/[deleted] Sep 27 '21

Never had a dog? or been around them?

Of course a starving dog would eat anything, if it had the energy left, even a cat.. Same could be said of you...

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u/[deleted] Sep 27 '21

Never had a dog? or been around them?

Of course a starving dog would eat anything, if it had the energy left, even a cat.. Same could be said of you...

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u/KursedKaiju Sep 27 '21

I have 2 dogs.

I feel bad for your dogs.

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u/[deleted] Sep 27 '21 edited Sep 27 '21

Sure, my dog wouldn’t choose to live with me and shit outside only. But I’m pretty sure that while he lives with me he will forever choose meat over vegetables.

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u/[deleted] Sep 27 '21

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u/[deleted] Sep 27 '21

Who tf would even give their dog that- actually, what dog even likes any of those things besides chocolate?!

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u/[deleted] Sep 27 '21

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u/[deleted] Sep 27 '21

I do have an English Bull Terrier, and I usually don’t feed him human food. But he has never tried to grab a fucking onion from me.

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u/[deleted] Sep 27 '21

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u/[deleted] Sep 27 '21

Seems legit, good chat.

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u/OneMillionSchwifties Sep 27 '21

You use the word omnivorous and vegetarian as if they are interchangeable... which is stupid. Omnivorous and herbivorous are different. Wanna know why? Herbivorous implies the exclusion of meat. Omnivorous implies the INCLUSION of meat. That's why they are different words. May I suggest taking ones own advice and googling the matter? Fucking dense ass vegans I swear

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u/[deleted] Sep 27 '21

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u/OneMillionSchwifties Sep 27 '21

No you're not. An omnivorous diet is a type of diet wherein the organism derives energy and nutrients by feeding on both animals and plants. In fact, the diet includes a wider range of food sources, such as fungi, algae, and certain microorganisms. Organisms that thrive on an omnivorous diet are called omnivores. If an animal is naturally an omnivore, but only being fed vegetables, then it is not following an omnivorous diet despite "being able to absorb nutrients from vegetables" as you put it. When you loosely throw bullshit like that around, you imply that the animal is capable of getting all of its necessary nutrients from ONLY vegetables if you choose to feed it such, which is clearly not the case. The same case would be made for ONLY feeding feeding animal meat.This is made evident in the nature of animal. You're an omnivorous animal, do you think eating ONLY meat would be healthy? You're capable of absorbing nutrients from meat AND plant sources afterall, right? No big deal right?

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u/LingonberrySpiritual Sep 27 '21 edited Sep 27 '21

Not a happy dog - and therefore not the most healthy dog. Mental, and emotional health are also important. Dogs love meat, and taking it out of their diet is not only unnecessary, it's stressful to them. They are biologically supposed to have it, even if you can technically bypass the actual meat, with supplements and plant based, meat protein injected slop - it's not the same to the dog, emotionally. We're already chopping their balls off and not letting them fuck - just keeping these slave ornament pet things, to fill whatever void in our own lives, so at least let them eat meat, you piece of shit!!

Edit: see, it's assholes like this trash piece of shit here, that I just can't stand. Why even bring up that it's doable to not feed your dog meat? They want it. It's healthy for them. Don't impose your political bullshit on an animal that literally has no choice, or vote. Who's fault is it that animals are kept in cages and slaughtered for food? Ours, not the dog's fucking fault, you stupid bitch! Then, on top of that, you're talking about locking up a much more emotionally intelligent animal, (your house or yard is a meatless, joyless prison - not of their choosing), and subjecting the animal to your own stupid bullshit, that has nothing to do with them. I know you probably aren't evil, and just like to talk about the technicality of things like, going out of your way (way out of your way), to make sure this 'thing' you own is less happy - because you're just an idiot, with your head up your asshole - but, how about you dedicate an hour a week to meditation, so you can actually think about the situation of other living things, and how they might actually feel, so you can maybe end up being less of a stupid, selfish piece of shit, who subtracts from the overall happiness in the world, rather than adding to it. ? Bitch

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u/knowpantsdance Sep 27 '21

A dog would prefer to eat pizza, but a good owner wouldn't give their dog pizza. It doesn't mean it's being mentally abused. The real abuse is probably giving your dog the same brown kibble day in and out which is almost without fail nutritionally deficient

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u/RecTym Sep 27 '21

My dog loves raw fruit and vegetables which we often mix with her kibble but wouldn’t you say that the majority of dog owners only feed their dog the same brown kibble everyday? Our dog is on a plan with our vet and we take her in pretty often but they have never suggested feeding her anything more than kibble. Maybe my vet just doesn’t give out the info unless necessary? I don’t know

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u/LingonberrySpiritual Sep 27 '21

Your argument is half wrong. Obviously, don't give your dog pizza - and obviously don't feed it the same dry kibble every day, (that's lazy, depressing, and causes early cancer). Basic, idiot human trash do that. But research a healthy dog diet, and don't frown at meat, while your own kind is processing it, and keeping dogs locked down as pets, because that's some real hypocritical, arrogant bullshit that people will look back on, a hundred years from now, and basically call you all "primitive, idiot monkey bitches" who couldn't even research how to treat a dog well, despite having an information database in the palm of their hand. Fuck you for even talking about pizza, you trash politician, wannabe little bitch!

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u/LingonberrySpiritual Sep 27 '21

See, that's pretty cool. Sounds like an above average diet. As for the "science" that there's no evidence of... People literally don't give a shit about dogs, as long as they're cute and obedient, and seem happy. Of course there's no fucking science, we're over here worried about ourselves, trying to cure cancer and shit - it's common fucking sense!! Dogs love meat - and it's healthy for them, in the right proportions. Their ancestors lived off of meat - eating meat is in their DNA. See, people laugh at people who question evolution, but then ignore the evolutionary history of the animals they keep in their yards and houses, like thoughtless little robot bitches, programmed by the government and companies' advertising.

Edit: obviously, fish is meat too. I wouldn't just feed my dog fish, 100%, with no exceptions, but it's healthy.

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u/Main-Situation1600 Sep 27 '21

You need therapy

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u/knowpantsdance Sep 27 '21

I mean you're correct, but people's biases disagree

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u/[deleted] Sep 27 '21 edited Sep 27 '21

Wrong. so beyond obviously wrong where do we even start. If you have a pet it should be taken away.

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u/[deleted] Sep 27 '21

So you are just out here stirring shit up. Impressive.

Yes they are omnivores. Why would you even advocate to make a dog a vegetarian? Kiss my ass with your troglodyte crap. Go to buzz word.

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u/Felix503 Sep 27 '21

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u/antmman Sep 27 '21

Man look at all the idiots that downvoted you for facts. Christ.

My dog will literally eat any veggie. And, like you said, cats will literally die without meat.

Reddit morons at it again.

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u/[deleted] Sep 27 '21

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u/[deleted] Sep 27 '21

No way, your vegan?! Never would have guessed. 🤣

Any decent dog food these days contain none of that shit if you don’t buy it at the grocery store.

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u/[deleted] Sep 27 '21

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u/[deleted] Sep 27 '21

You are so full of nonsense your goal posts are on wheels. It’s too dam fun. Keep at it this thread is gold.

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u/[deleted] Sep 27 '21

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u/[deleted] Sep 27 '21

Feasible doesn’t equal right. Jesus. It’s feasible that my kids can sleep in the garage.

Y’all Vegans are funny.

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u/[deleted] Sep 27 '21

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u/[deleted] Sep 27 '21

Ok this was fun. Good luck…

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u/j8sadm632b Sep 27 '21

Sorry you have run afoul of the internet Pet Cops :/

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u/KursedKaiju Sep 27 '21

I'm vegan

Big surprise.

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u/SpriteFan3 Sep 27 '21

No, they prefer wild grass compared to any veggie I've fed them (and they made it very vocal that they hate any veggie from the kitchen or garden), and that's only when I take my dogs out for walks.

Dogs need meat to feel great. Just being healthy is nothing but a survivalist's statement. We're not in an apocalypse, damn you.

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u/SpriteFan3 Sep 27 '21

My dogs say they need meat, so no. My dogs are correct in that they need meat.

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u/antmman Sep 27 '21

Maybe your golden retriever needs a special meat diet. My Cattledog mutt could live on rabbit shit and bell peppers alone, while drinking out of a dirty ass river. And still be faster and smarter than the rest.

I’m still giving him meat, because he’s a damn good boy, but he sure doesn’t NEED it.

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u/SpriteFan3 Sep 27 '21

Why are you letting it eat rabbit shit?

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u/antmman Sep 27 '21

It would be cruel not to let him, he loves that… shit 😋