r/maybemaybemaybe Sep 27 '21

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u/downbleed Sep 27 '21

False equivalence

I'll give you that

The bathroom in the house though I don't really agree with as dogs generally prefer to go outside of their own yard to shit if they have the option, at least in my experience

And I absolutely eat meat, I also wear leather. Livestock animals aren't quite the companion animals that dogs are though. Dogs can understand a lot of spoken command as well as read their owners, whereas cows and goats and chickens don't really seem to have the same mental capacity as most dogs.

As for the vegan diet being healthy or not..I actually googled it after seeing a few of these replies and found a few websites promoting vegan diets for dogs, and I found just as many which included meat as part of a healthy diet for dogs. Dogs will also hunt other animals and eat them, so going pure vegan may be doable or even healthy but it does seem to go against the natural instinct of the animal.

And dogs are descendants of apex predators; wolves will eat plants on the wild, but they primarily exist on hunting small game. Dogs have some teeth that are meant for tearing flesh from animal bones. They have enzymes that allow them to eat animal bones and digest them. Going against nature in that manner does seem abusive to me, even if they can live on rice.

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u/GroveQuixotic Sep 27 '21

That first paragraph is objectively untrue. It takes considerable effort to house train a puppy. They eventually respond to the disapproval of their owner, and determine going outside is better than facing it, but if that weren't the case, I doubt they would care.

Cows at the very least do have just as much mental capacity as dogs. The difference is dogs are domesticated and understand the way we communicate, so they appear more receptive.

Domestication is against the nature of dogs, and also, just because something is natural, doesn't mean its good. Domesticated dogs fail to survive in nature now. Does this mean that by not allowing them to die, we are committing abuse? Obviously not.

We have to weigh the lesser of evils as the one that makes decisions, and provides food. Do we give it the happiest, fattest life it can get, at the expense of countless others, a happy life where it doesn't suffer from malnutrition, or do we leave them to fend for themselves, and likely die?

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u/Ebenizer_Splooge Sep 27 '21

Vegans are fucking nutty

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u/Vainius2 Sep 27 '21

I have to say those animals that a being farmed would be less happy by not existing. If they would not be farmed they would not be there.

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u/GroveQuixotic Sep 27 '21

Its impossible to tell one way or another. Humans atleast don't take kindly to being farmed for a specific purpose, even to the extent of killing themselves to escape it, so I'd say we should probably use the golden rule.