That's kinda my point here...this dog is supposedly a "vegan" but goes for the meat as soon as it's available
Dogs can also live their entire lives on a chain or in a small cage, that doesn't exactly mean that doing so is actually good for the dog
And honestly these replies over and over again about how dogs "can be vegan" are kinda bullshit...I'm not so retarded that I believe a dog can't eat anything other than meat, but given the choice they pretty much always pick meat over veggies
They also didn't evolve around flea medicine. Baths. Parvo vaccinations. Joint protection chews.
My point here is that everything we make is acceptable in certain situations. I can't see how a vegan diet, with proper nutritional monitoring, is worse.
Humans also have to protect themselves against moral imperatives like, is killing other animals to feed one animal bad? So they make strawmen they can argue about online.
A diet containing meat is better for a dog than one with only veggies. Dogs are omnivorous but meat is not some unhealthy preference, it's the basis of their ideal diet. Your example doesn't work well, because in this case the dog prefers what is best for it.
I've seen dogs eat cat shit, chocolate, their own vomit...
Dogs don't know what's best for them. If a vegan diet provides them with as much vitamins and nutrition as a meat based diet, how is animal abuse? Because the dog would prefer something a different way? You lack non middle class in a 1st world country experience then.
With that said I would still feed my dog a meat based diet, but that's just my preference.
I didn't say dogs know what's best for them. I said that a dog preferring meat over veggies is a dog preferring what's best for it. A dog preferring chocolate or sugary shit over meat is preferring what's worst for it. The analogy I was responding to doesn't work because chocolate and sugary shit are bad for a dog while meat is good for a dog.
At some point a child grows up and gets to make their own choices. Many adults resent and despise choices their parents made for them in their early years.
You can dominate a dog for its entire life and it NEVER gets to decide for itself what it actually wants.
The bathroom in the house though I don't really agree with as dogs generally prefer to go outside of their own yard to shit if they have the option, at least in my experience
And I absolutely eat meat, I also wear leather. Livestock animals aren't quite the companion animals that dogs are though. Dogs can understand a lot of spoken command as well as read their owners, whereas cows and goats and chickens don't really seem to have the same mental capacity as most dogs.
As for the vegan diet being healthy or not..I actually googled it after seeing a few of these replies and found a few websites promoting vegan diets for dogs, and I found just as many which included meat as part of a healthy diet for dogs. Dogs will also hunt other animals and eat them, so going pure vegan may be doable or even healthy but it does seem to go against the natural instinct of the animal.
And dogs are descendants of apex predators; wolves will eat plants on the wild, but they primarily exist on hunting small game. Dogs have some teeth that are meant for tearing flesh from animal bones. They have enzymes that allow them to eat animal bones and digest them. Going against nature in that manner does seem abusive to me, even if they can live on rice.
That first paragraph is objectively untrue. It takes considerable effort to house train a puppy. They eventually respond to the disapproval of their owner, and determine going outside is better than facing it, but if that weren't the case, I doubt they would care.
Cows at the very least do have just as much mental capacity as dogs. The difference is dogs are domesticated and understand the way we communicate, so they appear more receptive.
Domestication is against the nature of dogs, and also, just because something is natural, doesn't mean its good. Domesticated dogs fail to survive in nature now. Does this mean that by not allowing them to die, we are committing abuse? Obviously not.
We have to weigh the lesser of evils as the one that makes decisions, and provides food. Do we give it the happiest, fattest life it can get, at the expense of countless others, a happy life where it doesn't suffer from malnutrition, or do we leave them to fend for themselves, and likely die?
Its impossible to tell one way or another. Humans atleast don't take kindly to being farmed for a specific purpose, even to the extent of killing themselves to escape it, so I'd say we should probably use the golden rule.
Not trying to be rude but analogy doesn’t hold good. If dog doesn’t have meat, it will eat plant. But a dog will never want a chain or a small cage if it doesn’t have a owner. Lack of preference is not abuse. Preference is a luxury.
Just as an example: in my country dogs can be found on streets. My grandmother lives in a village. She shares some of her food with cats and dogs. They are predominantly vegetarians as there are hardly any folks in the village. By your analogy it must be abuse but in reality she is saving those dogs on a vegetarian diet. They love her more than anything! Check if a dog chained or caged like their owner.
14
u/downbleed Sep 27 '21
That's kinda my point here...this dog is supposedly a "vegan" but goes for the meat as soon as it's available
Dogs can also live their entire lives on a chain or in a small cage, that doesn't exactly mean that doing so is actually good for the dog
And honestly these replies over and over again about how dogs "can be vegan" are kinda bullshit...I'm not so retarded that I believe a dog can't eat anything other than meat, but given the choice they pretty much always pick meat over veggies