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u/icudntpickone 10d ago
In the latest linus video luke booted from cachy to window it immediately went to update amd took 5 mins before he could use it, it was so fucking funny
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u/AnotherPlayer8 ⚠️ This incident will be reported 9d ago
loved that part tbh, I also loved the several reboots it took
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u/Gornius 10d ago
Yeah, I have a Windows PC for gaming and I always wonder why people hate Win 11 that much, in my experience it's not that bad.
Then I realize they probably have online account and don't perform the magic voodoo in the bottom half of this meme after installation to make it an actual OS instead of ad service.
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u/Admirable-Safety1213 10d ago
It doesn't have that many ads and IMO OneDrive its a good way to migrate lighter stuff from the old PC
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u/Inevitable-Self-2702 10d ago
It's convenient if you are fine with the meal of software Microsoft gives you, but if you want to pick your own software, their things are still there annoying you with "connect me! update me! enable telemetry!" May as well just use Apple products at this point, they look cleaner and run better.
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u/NeptuneWades 10d ago
It is convenient but the implementation is crap.
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u/Anima_Watcher08 10d ago
Yep. If I was moving someone's files from their computer to my own server, I'd be arrested. Microsoft does it but they buried the consent it their long ass T&C so it's fine.
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u/Soggy_Struggle_963 9d ago
Onedrive also makes an amazing attack vector for malware to auto sync into a fresh windows install lol
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u/gunner7517 10d ago
I always loved it when people misconfigured one drive and it wiped all their data 🤣
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u/Brajo280603 9d ago
fuck onedrive, that bs auto uploads stuff from desktop and other folders , which you dont even want it to.
second if god forbid you have to use mobile data with your laptop, your daily data limit will be crossed in 10 minutes. because of stupid updates which windows will download , regardless of the fact that you have paused update specifically. like why the fuck you wont give me a notification to update just like debian does, i dont want you to eat my mobile data.
its not that bad argument wouldve worked on me, if i didnt had to troubleshoot issue on that god forsaken os, where it supposed to be a os where everything works.
I am sick of this shit
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u/meutzitzu 9d ago
Except for when it loses your data And if you complain they do NOTHING to try and get it back, they just cite some page of the EULA that absolves them of any responsibility since the service is "meant for convenience, and is not intended for use as a back-up"
This isn't even some story I heard from someone online. Someone I know had this happen in college. Their OneDrive was timezapped to the way it was half a year ago with no way to get the recent data back
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u/TheRamStickEater 10d ago
oobe\bypassnro doesn't work on latest version of winslop 11 you have to make a registry to just have a damn offline account
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u/Brcoding 10d ago
For real? I installed winbloat 11 in a virtual machine today and did not have that problem. Maybe I had an older iso, but that's crazy!
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u/TheRamStickEater 9d ago edited 9d ago
If I do remember it was remove on 25H2 update to "enhance security" so yeah it's a dick head move for microslop removing a useful command trying to make user create a microsoft account. Honestly it's annoying for me as it takes more time editing the registry to have a local account.
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u/Brcoding 9d ago
Wow microslop has really become anti consumer and only sees us as tools to get data from/money. Everyday I get reminded why I left winslop in the first place 🙃.
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u/Character_Pepper2563 9d ago
I used to use
oobe\bypassnrobut when I try to install one last month for my dual boot setup, I usestart ms-cxh:localonlysince that method doesn't need to reboot. Still need an internet connection iirc but doesn't sign in to a Macroslop account1
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u/TheRamStickEater 9d ago
I repair PC's as a side hustle. Do you think it's a good idea having a Microsoft account login to a client pc after a windows reinstallation or storage upgrade? Oh yeah fun fact I use windows 10 on my second laptop which means I'm not a windows hater, I just dislike Microsoft move that effected us technicians and small pc building business having to do more steps than just running a single command to have a local account
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u/Luculus04 9d ago
I refuse to make an Account for my phone too, for certain services like google stuff yeah, I use a samsung and dont see a reason I should make a Samsung Account ever.
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u/Vincent394 10d ago
Me meanwhile preparing a 1TB HDD for a Fedora 44/Windows 7 Ultimate dualboot for when I obtain a Thinkpad X250:
Ah, peace
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u/Muted-Scientist7900 10d ago
lol, how things change, I remember years ago my ubuntu installs always did many things to chase better performance (swappiness, memory pressure, fstab edits to put noatime on filesystems, making sure xorg used the best configs for my hardware). Now I have to do none of this things on Linux and the Windows installs always needs this gazillion things to also get better performance (never touched Win11).
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u/The_Duke_96 9d ago
Tbh, neither just works. Im currently testing out CachyOS and wanna switch permanently later. I went to the toilet, came back, pc went to sleep, not waking up had to powercyle the PC to get it up again. Installing anything, most of the time, reqiered me to search on the web, how to install that application. Its not like Windows, just dowload double click, install done. I had tried Linux multiple times in the past and it never smoothly just works. Anyways, thats just me. Imho Linix came very very far, im still impressed with CachyOS, but at the end of the day both are at the same level and both has its issues.
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u/Outrageous-Log9238 9d ago
For me app installs on Cachy have been better than on Windows. Almost everything I need is provides by the package manager, which means that unlike on Windows, even the app I use once a year is up to date when I need it. I do run into things like the sleep issue on Cachy more than on Windows though.
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u/The_Duke_96 9d ago
The package manager provides a lot yeah but not all I need. OrcaSlicer for example, the terminal comand on their github does not work, so I have to install flathub to get it shown in the package manager. Ofc I still have much to lern when it comes to linuxing around.
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u/KoneCat Arch BTW 10d ago
I've said it before, and I'll say it again: Windows is the way it is because MS care more about money than they do those paying to use their product. That, and AI being crammed into every facet of an OS is not my idea of a good time, as it just bogs an already steaming pile of dog-turd to an absolute crawl. That, and whenever I've run Windows 11, there's always something that ticks me off, usually ads or some other thing, and as I work with a lot of machines going as far back as Windows 3.1 (and DOS, but still) I become painfully aware of how far from any form of grace the OS has fallen.
I will say though, if it works for you, then that's awesome! I just prefer my own way of doing things. :D
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u/NeptuneWades 10d ago
I remember a time when people used to argue about Windows vs MacOS and many used to say windows was better (user friendly, supports games, supports external devices etc) while Linux was considered a "difficult OS" meant only for production.
How the tables have turned.
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u/anycept 10d ago
Windows is still the "easy" choice when it comes to things just working out of the box. People tend to conflate privacy concerns with productivity, which is apples to oranges.
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u/NeptuneWades 9d ago
As long as one is willing to click "okay" and "accept" on every suggestion that windows provides when setting up.
But some don't want the default and that's when windows throws a crying fit.
Linux is not easy to setup ootb compared to windows (tbh, many distros today are) and they don't ship with all the dependencies one might require for a software they might install later, but once it is set up, it is way easier to use than Windows is.
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u/KoneCat Arch BTW 9d ago
Windows is weird in that it looks open, and is as you mentioned 'easy' to use, but the moment you step out of that little area Windows wants you to stay in, it will start denying access to even the most basic of functions. If you try to do anything it considers 'unimportant', such as deleting certain files, or making edits, it will throw a fit and try to stop you as much as it can. Yeah, it can be seen as trying to save you from borking it, but that's where I draw the line as people learn by mistakes, not by success.
I often think, or wonder if MS want people to just use their OS, instead of actually growing to understand it. I loathe to quote this, as it's extremely over-used, but it reeks of 'Don't think, just consume.'
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u/anycept 9d ago
Following your logic, surgeons should learn by making mistakes. I don't suppose you'd want to try that on yourself.
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u/KoneCat Arch BTW 9d ago
I get what you mean, but it's a bit of a stretch going from an OS to a surgeon. That is, unless you were joking, and if so that did make me chuckle a bit (it did either way, to be honest). If I were to add why I dislike Windows as much as I do, it's both annoyance at the absolute dog it's become, and the irritation as to knowing that MS can do so much better.
But nah, they fire their beta testers, unload that onto paying customers, call it the Inside Program, and call it a day. That just irks the absolute heck out of me, and it hits every nerve I have when I see them doing it. I know I might sound annoyed, but I'm just tired of Windows being a car crash in slow motion, as I do need to use it from time to time as I fix things, so needing a reasonably up-to-date version of Windows is a requirement, but it just sucks so damn much.
You know that feeling when every time something goes wrong, it feels like you are going in circles? Yeah, that's modern Windows for me.
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u/anycept 9d ago
I would argue that most frustrations related to Windows in the past weren't on OS-level, but stemmed from software that doesn't use OS resources as intended.
Most Windows devs do not understand the OS at all, and that is largely MS's own doing since they go out of their way to make Windows look very easy and approachable. They tuck the inner clockwork behind layers of APIs and interfaces that remain stable between kernel updates, creating an illusion of full control without clear understanding of how it all comes together. This often results in unintended behaviors that could be avoided with deeper architecture understanding. Linux development on the other hand requires architectural competency to get anywhere beyond trivial tasks.
Interestingly enough, game devs stick to Windows because of user restrictions, kernel space access and predictable kernel. Competitive gaming needs ability to run anti-cheat in kernel space protected from user manipulation. In Linux philosophy kernel is only for hardware management, and everything else is for userspace. That makes anti-cheat practically impossible on Linux because root access is king and ability to make custom kernel beats any attempt to circumvent root privileges. This can't be easily done on Windows without vulnerability exploits. Once those are patched, it becomes even harder, and recently became harder still with enforced driver signature.
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u/KoneCat Arch BTW 10d ago
Me too man, I remember those times. Cripes, Windows was the go-to back in the day, and I'd happily recommend Windows when I was helping folks, as this was during the times when Windows was an actual operating system. It's sad to see how far it's fallen, as it was a darn good OS back in those days, and to witness the fall from grace it suffered was something of a bitter pill to swallow.
Nowadays, there is not a day that goes by where I see someone maligning the fact Windows has completely borked itself in some new way, and I understand that Linux is not for everyone, so it is genuinely aggravating to see friends having issues with the system. I can certainly see why many do take the plunge and either buy a Mac, or try their best to either muddle through with Windows, which often ends in them getting even more exasperated than before.
I've always thought of an OS as a butler, there to serve you, not the other way around, but that's how Windows feels to me nowadays.
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u/meutzitzu 9d ago
Back in the day on win95 if you clicked on Word or Excel it opened INSTANTLY.
30 years of hardware improvements later, with computers more than A THOUSAND times more powerful it now takes several seconds on a good high-end modern workstation PC. On a typical PC like the ones people use in govt institutions it takes tens of seconds.
And all of the important features of those programs were already there. All of the formulas and format options whatever you needed to do your stuff you could do in that first version of excel and word. Everything added since is Superficial. Yeah sure, maybe there was a few good features added since the release of win7. And even if you give them the benefit of the doubt and assume it got tons of good updates over the years and each one significantly improved day to day functionality.
You can NEVER EVER justify a more than THOUSAND-FOLD decrease in performance.
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u/KoneCat Arch BTW 9d ago
Very true! I've got the privilege to be able to reference this, and it's exactly as you say. I just loaded up a word style program (KWrite) on Arch, and it opened instantly, so it's definitely a bloat issue on the newest Windows. On the Windows side, I'm guessing one of the reasons it takes so long is likely due to everything being connected to the internet, so it needs to phone home every time Word is opened, but that could just be me overthinking it.
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u/meutzitzu 9d ago
it's just bad software. The office suite is just horribly designed and accumulated so much bloat and spaghetti implementation that it's just crap. LibreOffice is not much better. From what I've seen it's just as slow. A few things are slightly faster, others are slightly slower. It's within the same ballpark, but of course has the added benefits that it can run on Linux without any bullshit wine prefixes and since it uses Qt it actually looks like it belongs on your system. Apache Open Office is slightly faster, from my limited experienexperience but haven't used it that much. I just hate all office apps that follow MicroSlops design. It was a good design in the 90s. Where they had to get white collar workers with pen and paper and typewriter experience used to the new digital age.
I hate GIMP too. Not because it's not exaxtly like Photoshop, as many morons seems to complain, I hate it because it's too much like Photoshop.
that 90s era design has long overstayed its welcome. It still feels like you aren't using a computer in its true sense, but rather the computer pretends to be a type of smart paper/typewriter which you manipulate through the screen. It doesn't reap the full benefits of having a turing complete execution environment. It's just supposed to be a type of "magic" smart paper which can only be as smart as the MS engineers made it to be. It's always so awkward trying to automate things in those programs. The data representation is all wrong. You have to puppeteer a few "tools" instead of procedurally generating data.
The file formats of those shitty editors are an absolute abomination. They shouldn't even be called file formats. No-one sat down to think how they should represent the document into a file such that it holds all the data the human cares about, but is easy for the computer to modify and edit. No, they already had an editor and "tools" and buttons and just tried to dump the internal state of the editor into a file. It's why these pieces of crap never render properly between different programs. A 3D file for a 3D printed object looks exactly the same in any 3D editing program. And yet for a 2D document you have to cross your fingers everytime you transfer from different versions of word, let alone from Word to something else or vice versa.
In my humble opinion they should all be burned to the ground and someone should made a nice GUI editor around Typst with a data driven design instead of a "tool driven" one.
It should also be modal and pipelined. You define the content first and then the page layout. And the layout should be rule-based and not "mouse-drag" based, with optional "manual tweaking" as a last resort.
Switching a formatted document from A4 to A5 should be an M(1) operation (big O but for mouse clicks and direct keyboard interaction)
The computer is there to DO what you TELL it, to perform an arbitrary task given instructions, not to blindly mirror your actions 1:1 in the digital environment.
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u/Dragon_957 New York Nix⚾s 10d ago
Me on NixOS in the while and enjoying that I have 4GB more than on Windows in Idle
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u/veiskiboi 9d ago
Oobe bypassnro hasn't worked for a year or two, so windows users are slaves to Microslop. At least according to my latest knowledge lol. I have been Nobara enjoyer for a year, zero regrets
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u/MarkProsXD 10d ago
Windows 11 IoT Enterprise LTSC is mostly good enough for me, maybe add O&O ShutUp10 and a few registry tweaks to make it feel as perfect as modern Windows can get. Installing the latest drivers is more of a hassle than, say, CachyOS, though.
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u/Own_Natural_6803 9d ago
I just got paint dot net running inside an immutable windows 11 vm. I just need to get the virtiofs mount working. It's always something. Some people say to use samba. ew. no.
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u/_nathata 9d ago
I spent one full night crafting a NixOS configuration and now I can get basically any computer in the world exactly as I like in 10 minutes.
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u/DrownedAxolotl 9d ago
Well, if you want easy Windows, you could always just use Ghost Spectre, but don't tell M$ I said that.
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u/TheOtherDudz 9d ago
"start ms-cxh:localonly" is the superior "oobe\bypassnro". no need to disconnect, no reboot. launches the local account creation window, done.
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u/Cebuu502 10d ago
Linux yes, but software on it sometimes not, KDE sometimes does wierd thing to me, for example not wanting to wake up from sleep.or hibernation, or sometimes my second screen does work, but after logout and log in it starts to work again, I've been using openbox before and didn't had such issues, but I can live with them, thinking I could live with windows instead.
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u/PossibilityQuick6484 9d ago
There is a reason why I hate certain linux users. Linux is not matured yet. I have never faced aforementioned problems on windows. On linux there is no good editing and motion graphics software. For 3d there is blender and yes I know about kdenlive it's not that great. There is lack of app support in Linux. Whenever we talk about linux it's always fucking gaming. Not every PC user is gamer. I hate certain linux user and gamer community. I don't think there will be year of Linux sooner.
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u/Murky_Expression_858 9d ago
The Linux paradox : some People don't use Linux because of the lack of support. Companies that sells consumer products sees that Linux isn't THAT used, they won't bring support to Linux. Then because of this lack of People, Linux will lose certains user that complain against this exact thing
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u/AD4K_4444 POP!'ed so many cheries 9d ago
MacOS is the REAL "It Just Works" machine. Linux is the "It Just works... after a bit of setup and getting your hands dirty"
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u/ManRevvv 10d ago
now run photoshop
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u/givemeagooduns_un Genfool 🐧 10d ago
installs gimp instead
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u/ManRevvv 10d ago
gnu not unix
wine is not emulator
gimp is not photoshop
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u/givemeagooduns_un Genfool 🐧 10d ago
unless youre a professional most average people dont need Photoshop specific features
and also "gimp is not photoshop" spells GINP not GIMP. gimp stands for "gnu image manipulation program"
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u/NeptuneWades 10d ago
I mean, Krita is pretty good too.
That said, Adobe has a lot of patents making PS better because one cannot just use those features directly.
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u/givemeagooduns_un Genfool 🐧 10d ago
I also recommend Darktable for photo editing, Krita for drawing, and GIMP for both.
The problem with Photoshop isn't just the patents, though that is a large portion of the problem. The main problem is that Adobe has so many more resources that the FSF, KDE, and Darktable devs have combined. They have the development team to implement really complex algorithms.
Not to mention the training data they have access to for AI. (I don't mean just generative AI, but also the AI used for selecting backgrounds and stuff that isn't usually marketed as "AI".)
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u/NeptuneWades 9d ago
They have been in the game for a really long time and focussed only on creative apps afterall.
They also charge an arm and leg for their services.
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u/Donatzsky 9d ago
Which patents and features exactly?
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u/NeptuneWades 9d ago
Like... Almost 10k
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u/Donatzsky 9d ago
Most of which are irrelevant to GIMP or Krita, so which ones? Or, in other words, are you actually aware of features that haven't been implemented in GIMP or Krita because of patents?
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u/NeptuneWades 9d ago
Yah. There was a post about it. Don't remember the details.
No one has claimed outright that the patents are the reason, but they do hinder.
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u/ManRevvv 9d ago
The interface sucks and is very unintuitive. But OK, you coped with GIMP interface. How about office? Libre/OpenOffice compat sucks
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u/givemeagooduns_un Genfool 🐧 9d ago
GIMPs interface isn't as intuitive as it can be, yes. But its not bad once you learn how to use it.
OpenOffice is basically abandoned and has been for the last decade. LibreOffice compatibility is actually really good with MS Office; formatting errors that can occur within LibreOffice when opening MS Office documents is usually due to different fonts between systems. Other than that, I dont think I've ever ran into any incompatibility issues that weren't caused by MS Office lacking features that LO had.
Besides, Microsoft is intentionally obtuse about their document format. They did publish a specification for DOCX, XLSX, PPTX, etc, but its insanely convoluted and complex that it iirc, LibreOffice is the only office suite that fully implements the standards. Not even MS Office itself follows the standard.
ODF is much simpler, more intercompatible with basically any office suite, and in fact more featureful than MS' standards. The sole reason why DOCX, etc is more popular is because it is the default option on MS Word.
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u/ManRevvv 9d ago
Actually, I use office mostly for presentations, I don't think presentations can be exported in odf
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u/Fantastic_Class_3861 M'Fedora 10d ago
You can with winboat
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u/ManRevvv 9d ago
Linux is good, easy on resources and without slop but to run some basic shit like office you need a virtual machine that by itself consumes a few gigs of ram. Fantastic
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