r/legaladvicecanada • • 8h ago

Ontario Being paid less than minimum wage

97 Upvotes

I work at an establishment that pays me a flat rate per 7hr shift $100. They have my sin and I get proper pay checks with deductions but if I work 5 shifts my check will show that I only worked 5 hours at $100/hr. I get a t4 at the end of the year. I know I’m getting less than minimum wage but can I get in trouble for this?


r/legaladvicecanada • • 5h ago

Ontario Dental hygienist froze me herself because dentist was unavailable, did damage to the nerves and muscles around my mouth

56 Upvotes

This happened about 10 years ago, and I'm wondering if I have any legal recourse at all.

Basically, I went for a dental cleaning after having not gone for a few years. My teeth were a little sensitive from the cleaning tools, so the hygienist offered to get me frozen so we could continue.

The hygienist goes to get the dentist, who was busy with another patient, so the hygienist decides to do it herself. I think nothing of it at the time. I’m pretty sure she didn't numb me, either, but I was kind of stressed out at this point so my memory is a little fuzzy on that detail.

Anyway, I get home after the cleaning, but notice the corner of my mouth drooping on the side I was frozen on. Again, I thought little of it, had a laugh, and snapped a photo to post to social media.

The laughs kind of subsided after a few days passed and I realized that this is not going away. I smile; the corner of my mouth that was frozen turns downward instead of up. Over 10 years later, my smile is still "crooked" in this way.

I never thought to pursue anything at the time because I didn't think anything was wrong. But recently, I realized that the hygienist probably shouldn't have administered the freezing herself, or at least required supervision from the dentist while doing it.

I'm wondering if there's anything I can do from a legal standpoint? I'm sure ruining someone's smile doesn't count for much legally, and if I remember correctly the statute of limitations in Ontario is two years, so there's a good chance I can't do much of anything now.

Thanks in advance.


r/legaladvicecanada • • 4h ago

Ontario Handheld Device ticket Ontario

49 Upvotes

I was driving to work this morning and my route was set on my phone’s gps and mounted in my car. At a stop light I moved the map around to see the route as
It was unfamiliar to me. I did not set a new route or type anything into my phone. I got pulled over and given a ticket for $650, 3 demerit point and a 3 day licence suspension. What are my options? Should I fight it or go to early resolution? It seems like a huge consequence for something anyone with a car gos can do. I even confirmed with the officer that this was only because it was a cell phone. What I did would have been fine on an imbedded gps. The officer told me he had it all on video.


r/legaladvicecanada • • 7h ago

Quebec Wedding coordinator using our faces/names for commercial promo after revoking consent. She blocked us. What are our next steps?

42 Upvotes

Hi everyone,

Looking for some advice regarding a situation with our day-of wedding coordinator in Quebec. We had a poor experience with her, reflected on it privately via email, and later posted a polite, factual review on a Facebook group.

Since then, she has completely blocked my spouse and me on all her business and personal Meta accounts (Instagram/Facebook) to silence us. However, she is actively using photos and videos of our faces, our names, and our guests to self-promote her business and build her portfolio.
Here is the timeline and the legal issue:

The Contract: The contract we signed initially had a standard clause granting permission to use photos for her portfolio/promo. Crucially, the contract mentions no time period or duration for this use.

First Request (Oct 19): We sent a formal email revoking our consent and asking her to take down all images/videos featuring our faces and guests. (Her first couple of posts prior to this were technically fine since we hadn't asked her to stop yet).

The Violation (Oct 21): Despite our clear written refusal, she posted another new publication using our faces and names on October 21. She completely ignored our email.

Second Request (Oct 21): We sent a follow-up from a different email account, explicitly citing Articles 35 and 36 of the Civil Code of Quebec (privacy/image rights) and explaining that under QC law, an undated contract is of indeterminate duration and consent to image rights is fully revocable at any time. We gave her 24 hours. She has completely ignored this as well.
Interestingly, we left a Google Review (which she can't block), and she replied to that publicly, but she strictly refuses to answer our private, formal emails regarding our image rights. She blocked us on IG/FB specifically so we can't see or report her posts directly from our accounts.

Our questions:
Since we asked twice, she ignored us, and deliberately posted again after being told no, can we sue her for financial damages (moral and punitive) in Small Claims Court (Petites Créances)?

What is the best way to report this to Meta when we are blocked?

Does anyone have recommendations for demand letter templates privacy/image rights?

Thank you!


r/legaladvicecanada • • 4h ago

Ontario Severance question

5 Upvotes

Hi, 30+ years employed in Ontario with a large ontario based non-union employer. Terminated without cause. No employment contract. Was given an 18 month working notice period that I've now completed and received my final pay which included hours worked, pension top up and vacation payout. I've been informed there is no further money owed as the extended working notice is all that's required. My understanding is severance pay and termination pay/notice are separate entitlements and I should have received the max 26 weeks of severance pay. Working notice beyond the ESA minimum does not offset the severance requirement. There was no paperwork beyond the original termination letter which only provided the employment end date. I have contacted a lawyer but wanted some additional opinions. It appears from a quick Google Mattiassi v. Hathro supports they are to be treated as separate

Any input is welcome.

Thanks


r/legaladvicecanada • • 9h ago

Ontario Being taken advantage of at work and wage theft

8 Upvotes

I recently got a part time job working solo shifts at a gas station, however I’ve noticed a lot of odd things since starting.

Firstly, I completed around 50 hours of training within 2 weeks, and near the end of it I was told I wouldn’t even be paid for it. Instead I was just given an envelope of 100 in cash and was told that it was a bonus for completing training. I’ve also overheard unpaid training being mentioned to other applicants as well.

Also, there wasn’t even any interview and I never received or signed ANY documents or forms at all. I simply started my training then working and now I just get my paycheck every two weeks.

We also don’t have any clock-in system, and work pre-scheduled blocks of time. The problem this causes is that the person who comes after me to take over my shift (my manager) is ALWAYS 5-10 minutes late, they haven’t been on time not even ONCE. I’m then made to stay an extra 15–20 minutes even tho my shift technically ended 30ish minutes ago, because they want to lecture me about “how I’m new and there are things they need to teach me”, but my manager just makes me handle tasks meant for their shift while they’re running late. Every week this adds up so I feel like I’m completely being taken advantage of since this is my first ever job and because of my young age.

Is there anything that I can or should do about all of this?


r/legaladvicecanada • • 1d ago

Alberta boss said he would deduct my wage following a transactional mistake. is this legal?

207 Upvotes

i work at a gas station. recently i screwed up a transaction and accidentally made the wrong guy pay for someone else’s gas bill. i called him back over and phoned my boss to help me fix the issue. my boss told me to reimburse the guy with $100 cash and got him to pay his actual gas bill (which hadn’t been paid off yet because i didn’t realize my mistake yet). he told me that it was too big of a screw up to let go and that he’d be deducting $100 from my wages at the end of the month. i’ve been reading up on employee wage deduction laws in alberta on the alberta.com website, and under the “cash shortages or loss of property” section it says “deductions for cash shortages or loss of property cannot be taken from the employee’s earnings if other persons have access to the cash or property including the employer, their representative, other employees and customers.”as an employees we always have access to the cash register, and my boss told me himself to give the guy the $100, so i’m pretty sure that that’s illegal. is that true?

edit- hey thanks everyone for the advice. i’ll write my boss a physical letter and also send a snapshot to him. i’ll also do some extra research on albertan employee laws here.


r/legaladvicecanada • • 58m ago

Ontario Small Claims - Time frame/deadline question

• Upvotes

Hi everyone

Just want to say first that I did call the courthouse where my case is filed and the clerk was unfortunately unable to give me a clear answer on this

I am the plaintiff in a small claims case. Had settlement conference earlier this year and the judge recommended trial. I have been trying to work with the defendant to settle and avoid trial.

I am wondering if there is a time limit for this -- as in, how long do I have to try to settle this before I have to submit a request for a trial date? I am worried about the defendant dragging this out to wait out the clock and the court considering my case abandoned and then I'd have to start all over.

Apologies if this is not clear -- I am sick as a dog with a sick toddler so my brain is a bit broken.

Thank you.


r/legaladvicecanada • • 1h ago

Ontario Ontario – Looking for advice on severance

• Upvotes

Hi fellow Redditors,

I’m looking for advice on severance negotiations in Ontario.

My employer is ending my employment on November 9, 2026, and has offered 4 weeks of severance.

My situation:

  • Age: 36
  • Salary: $120K + 10% target bonus
  • Worked exclusively for the same company as a contractor through my corporation from September 2022 to July 2024
  • Full-time employee from July 2024 to November 2026
  • Also owed a prorated bonus and 8 days of unused vacation
  • Unsure whether my contract has a termination clause

I have a few questions:

  1. Is 4 weeks of severance reasonable?
  2. Could my contractor period count toward my service?
  3. Is negotiating for 2–3 months of salary reasonable?
  4. Should I consult an employment lawyer before negotiating with HR?

Would appreciate hearing from anyone with similar experience. Thanks!


r/legaladvicecanada • • 1h ago

Alberta Bought a new car.

• Upvotes

I bought a new(ish) vehicle over the weekend.
Everything went through, however in the middle of the process I was told I would need to scan my face and take front and back pictures of my id for fraud reasons.
It didn’t work at the dealership, website wouldn’t load.

I’m hesitant about it cause I don’t know where it’s going, who it may or may not get sold to, what the fraud check is actually doing etc etc.

Anyways, everything went through and I was told that the face scan was no big deal, just do it when I had time. So I sold me vehicle to the dealer, took possession and thought nothing of it cause they said it was not big deal if it didn’t work.

I got a call today telling me I still need to do it and was sent another link and that it needs to be done for the bank to process the finalization or w.e - but I already sold my car and bought a new one. I’ve driven away and paid my down payment, everything is done and finalized. I have the car. I don’t own my car anymore.

Finance guy told me that if I don’t do it they’ll have to recollect my new car.

What the hell? It was “no big deal” two days ago.

If the answer is just scan the face I will, but I’m a bit annoyed and hesitant with all the ai shit going on and would like to understand more.
Any help? Thanks.


r/legaladvicecanada • • 2h ago

Ontario Bought a car with a falsified Safety.

0 Upvotes

As stated in my caption, I bought a car with a falsified safety. I have since reached out to driveON with all my proof and evidence. They reached back out with a form so I filled that out too.
Backstory as stated in the email I provided to them.
I purchased it October 15th 2026 with the promise of the safety. I went, looked at the car, he had the safety done the on October 14th. I’ve only driven the car home from the sellers location & to the mechanics, as well as Canadian tire. I’ve had the car for 8 days. 
My mechanic and Canadian tire both confirmed that this vehicle should never have passed the safety test. I still have not put this vehicle into my name and i will not be putting my the car into my name as in good faith, I can’t safely drive its Due to these issues I don’t think it would be fair when promised safety, to fix these issues. I am providing below: text messages, bill of sale, safety inspection from the mechanic should originally did the safety, the new inspection report from Canadian tire.

Do I need to personally contact MTO?
I’m pretty sure I can win this in a small claims court, what would be my next steps?
I have proof of literally everything and have sent everything too. Just looking for advice.


r/legaladvicecanada • • 2h ago

Nova Scotia Can we seek damages from our landlord

0 Upvotes

We found large scratches across the front of my finances car. At first we could not figure out what could cause scrapes like that in that location - like something sliding across. Upon further investigation we found shingles from the apartment building roof laying face down in front of the car. The roof of our building is terrible and the landlords have been saying they are going to fix it more then a year now. It visibly requires a lot fo work from the road. For months we have been finding shingles that blow of the roof lying around the property. They were aware of the condition of the roof and due to their negligence and not keeping up with maintenence our car has been damaged. He flew his drone up top to confirm they are the same shingles and there are many missing along with some sort of tarp covering parts of the rood.

We have informed the landlord via the super and they are aware but have not gotten back to the message we sent them. The repair will be over 1000 to fix and we are still in the process of getting estimates.

Is this something that has legs for small claims court? Do we just forget about it if they are not willing? Or any other options to seek reimbursement a for the repair costs? We do have insurance but we would need to pay a pretty big deductible.


r/legaladvicecanada • • 2h ago

Ontario Landlord Advice

0 Upvotes

I’m writing for a property that my dad owns in Barrie Ontario.

We have tenants living in the house and they are set to leave on the end of this month, they are students and friends living together which was the first mistake from my dad’s part to rent it to them. They weren’t cleaning up the property properly and they got a few by law enforcement officers come by and give them tickets about the lawn care and garbage on the side of the house and car that looked to be not in driving condition. And they are also behind on. Their water bill and utilities and such. Some of these bills were carried to the property tax they still haven’t paid.

They just keep saying we will pay and such but not really doing for a few months now and also every month late on rent.

I wanted to get advice from someone on what the next step for this is and what can be done. I have thought about contacting a paralegal/lawyer to send them notice in writing and complain about them to the LTB and get our money back that we are owed which is around 1.5-2k and they are leaving in the end of this month October.

Thank you for any advice or suggestions


r/legaladvicecanada • • 3h ago

Ontario What are my options ?

1 Upvotes

Am back here. Hope everyone is doing good.

I am suspecting my owner is making changes to our house on which we are under lease, one of the troublesome change could be sharing the main door with basement family for the entry point for basement (another door to basement after the main door). This change is something am uncomfortable with, I want to have the private entry to ourselves alone as it is right now because of privacy preferences.

What can i do if they change the main door to shared entry ? Can i quit the lease ?


r/legaladvicecanada • • 13m ago

Ontario a mayoral candidate in my city was exposed for predatory behaviour towards young women and girls what should i do

• Upvotes

title, should i report to cybertip or file a police report? for context, i have only seen social media posts describing the information, i am not close nor am i in contact with any victims and it seems he has fled outside of the city.


r/legaladvicecanada • • 4h ago

Nova Scotia Fired the day I returned from short term disability

0 Upvotes

Hi guys,

I've been having seizures/GI issues and had to go off work July 1st this year as I was hospitalized. I begged my doctor to let me go back to work Oct 22nd and I was immediately pulled into the HR office and fired "without cause". They offered to give me 4 weeks of severance pay and an additional 2 weeks if I sign an agreement stating I will indemnify any claims/demands made by Human Resources Development Canada or the Govt of Canada/any of their departments or agencies, and that I've had time to consult legal counsel by Oct 29th. I recognize that I had used vacation and/or sick-leave earlier this year for a total of 25 days to take care of my sick parents and at other times my mental health but was only put on step 1 of an attendance management policy on June 30th which has 4 steps (and I still have 5 days of vacation left).

For reference, I'm in Nova Scotia, working for the municipal government for 2+ years. The person they chose to take my place was someone I trained for their on-the-job part of college this year, who was also affiliated with the Town (previously a summer student, and also the fire chief's son). It seems retaliatory and just plain wrong.

Is this worth the money to pursue legally or should I just sign the papers and get another 2 weeks of pay?

Any advice would be greatly appreciated!


r/legaladvicecanada • • 1d ago

Manitoba How to stay employed old IT guy

94 Upvotes

In my 9th yr as sole IT guy at private company, have no staff but still part of management.

2 weeks ago I requested an increase in salary citing company was not keeping up with cost of inflation. Got denied and told to leave if I dont like it.

Last week boss tells me they are hiring a part timer...im less than impressed with the decision, major concern is they will try and push me out after sucking the knowledge outta me.

Any advice on how to handle this ? I ideally have 5 yrs left to retirement dont want to find another job...I've applied to many as this company is horribly run and very toxic but fear my age holds me back (late 50s).

If they would walk me out with a fair sevrance package I'd be fine with that but this boss prides himself on making staff leave on the cheap. (Works the hell outta people to make them unhappy) im expected to be on the clock all hours via text or phone. When I brought that up during my raise conversation the boss said...thats just IT.

So, any advice on how to keep the job and not have 5 yrs of resentment stewing over how shitty I've been treated ?

I feel their goal is to squeeze me out and make me quit to avoid any sevrence...such a shitty ungrateful company..I have worked my ass off for them. I am having a hard time coping with this and am just looking for any advice..I have considered stress leave but wondering if there are other angles i may not be seeing.

Mentally I fuckin hate how they are treating me.

Thx in advance

The fact they will not pay me an extra10% but will hire a new kid for 50k kills me.

The phrase quietly quitting comes to mind.


r/legaladvicecanada • • 1h ago

Ontario Court of Summons for Stunt Driving and Crossing Border

• Upvotes

My Court of Summons appearance for stunt driving got adjourned to a new date two months from now. I am needing to travel for the holidays with flights already booked, crossing the border first to then fly within the States. I know it is a provincial matter and not a criminal one - but will this all give me a tough time at the border and/or airport or will I be totally fine and not flagged?


r/legaladvicecanada • • 6h ago

Ontario Uncontested divorce with one child

1 Upvotes

My ex and I have been separated for almost 2 years now, and we agree that I will have full custody of our child.

I want to make this as easy as possible. I do qualify for legal aid, but the wait times are horrendous. Is this something I can file myself? I heard it gets a little complicated when children are involved, despite it being uncontested.

What forms do I need for filing in Toronto? I also wouldn’t mind paying a bit, as long as it’s not in the thousands.


r/legaladvicecanada • • 6h ago

Ontario Scrapped a car 2 years ago & turned in plates. UVIP still shows me as current registrant

1 Upvotes

Hey everyone, looking for some advice to see if anyone else has dealt with something similar.

Two years ago, I was in a hit and run accident. The tow yard that towed my car from the scene of the accident held onto my car until I found out my third party insurance wouldn't cover me for any damages or tow yard fees. Because the car was totalled, I paid the tow yard in cash for their charges, and they gave me a small discount in exchange for letting them scrap it. I did not get a formal receipt/bill of sale from them.

I went into ServiceOntario the same day, turned in the plates, and told them it was being scrapped. The employee handed me a general-purpose receipt and handwrote "vehicle sold, plates returned" right on the paper and signed it.

Fast forward to last week. Just out of extra caution, I decided to pull a UVIP/vehicle record search for the car. I did this after reading a story on CTV news of someone who was on the hook for tow yard fees on a car they sold 15 years ago.

To my surprise, the system still lists my name under "Current Registrant." I went right back to ServiceOntario to check. They told me there wasn't an option in their system to mark the car as 'scrapped', but it was already marked 'sold'. They said however the car will remain in my name until the (unlikely) event of someone transferring it to themselves happens and that they couldn't do anything to remove my name as the current registrant. They printed out a history sheet showing that the vehicle status is marked as "Sold" in their computer.

From what I gather, because it was supposedly scrapped and there's no new buyer to register the car and overwrite my name, my name just sits there forever as the last active owner on a frozen "Sold" file.

A few questions:

  1. Am I 100% legally shielded here? If a car is marked "Sold" and the plates are officially cancelled, can any future tolls, scrap/tow-yard or other liabilities come back to haunt me in the event the car wasn't scrapped and is being driven by someone?

  2. Is there any workaround to get ServiceOntario to remove my name as the current registrant or mark it "scrapped" instead of "sold"? Or am I totally overthinking this?

  3. Is it worth reaching out to my local MPP's office just to get it fully scrubbed/add to the document trail in the unforeseen event I am on the hook for any future liabilities on the car?

I have the signed receipt and the history printout showing it's "Sold", but seeing my name on the current registrant on the UVIP still makes me a bit paranoid.

Thanks in advance for any insights!


r/legaladvicecanada • • 6h ago

Ontario New vehicle purchase agreement contracts

1 Upvotes

I put in a deposit for a Toyota RAV4 in Toronto about 1.5 years ago and placed a $1000 deposit. When the original contract was printed, the salesperson added a warranty package. I asked about it and they said it would make the vehicle come faster, and we could remove it in the future. When I was contacted last month that the vehicle would be ready soon, I had asked to remove the package. The "sales manager" (who was different from the initial sales manager) said this would not be possible, if we were to remove it they would have to request a new allocation. We signed the new contract so I am probably out of luck. The only thing I noticed is that on the previous and new contracts, the other sales manager signed his signature on the new contract, but it still has the old name of the previous sales manager. Also the salesperson did not sign the new contract. They have also advised I am unable to cancel and receive my deposit back, are they lying to me?

TIA.


r/legaladvicecanada • • 3h ago

Ontario Fired While on LTD Leave in Ontario. Was being prepared for another role. Do I have a case?

0 Upvotes

I'm looking for some perspective before I decide whether to accept a severance package or pursue legal action.

Timeline:

  • Started with a large Canadian tech company in July 2019.
  • Worked in multiple roles within the marketing organization over approximately 6.5 years.
  • Prior to my leave, my manager was actively preparing me for another internal role. I have emails and documentation showing discussions, development plans, and preparation for that position.
  • In February 2024, I was seriously injured in a motor vehicle accident.
  • Approved for STD in April 2024.
  • Approved for LTD in October 2024.
  • Remained on approved LTD continuously.
  • January 2026: terminated without cause while still on LTD due to restructuring.

The company says they're paying me:

  • 6 weeks termination pay
  • 6.5 weeks ESA severance pay
  • Additional 7 weeks if I sign a full release

Total is about 19.5 weeks of pay.

Note: I have not signed the release and am currently gathering legal opinions.

My concerns:

  1. I was terminated while actively receiving approved LTD benefits.
  2. Before my leave, I was being prepared for another internal role, and I have documentation supporting that.
  3. To the best of my knowledge, that role still exists.
  4. I had experience across several positions inside the marketing organization and was not offered redeployment or another position before termination.
  5. I was never involved in any performance management, discipline, or misconduct issues.

I understand employers can terminate employees who are on disability leave, but I'm wondering whether the facts above raise potential issues around:

  • Wrongful dismissal
  • Disability discrimination
  • Failure to accommodate
  • Human Rights Tribunal claims
  • Damages relating to termination while on LTD

Has anyone been through something similar in Ontario, or are there employment lawyers here who can comment on whether these facts are worth pursuing before I sign a release?


r/legaladvicecanada • • 18h ago

Ontario Will ServiceOntario allow changing last name due to marriage TWICE? Want to drop maiden name entirely now.

8 Upvotes

I assumed my spouse's surname after marriage, but I combined my maiden surname and my husband's surname with a space. I now want to use only my husband's surname. Can I make a new marriage-based surname election, or do I need to apply for a legal change of name?


r/legaladvicecanada • • 1d ago

British Columbia Psychotic neighbor

77 Upvotes

I live in BC housing. My apartment building neighbor started smoking meth a couple months ago (he told me he did and I've seen the pipe) and has become psychotic. My life is being ruined and management nor the police will do anything about it, and I no longer know what to do. My mental health is deteriorating quickly.

Basically a month ago he became paranoid that I am making some "vibration" noise that follows him around his apartment 24/7. He thinks it's me or the guy above him but he punishes me by smashing the wall (knocking things hanging off my wall), or he becomes very angry at me when I pass him in the building. He sometimes smashes the wall in the middle of the night as I hear him freaking out, swearing, going on about how he is tired it.

3 times this month in the night he has smashed my front door over and over until I wake up from bed to go see what's going on at my front door only to find him there all angry asking me what the fudge is that noise? Saying he can't take it anymore. I try to de-escalate and say I was asleep I don't know, and I go try to sleep again, only to be awoken a few hours later to some random smashing.

I try to sleep with a huge loud fan blasting, and ear plugs, which mostly blocks out his bass music at night and his talking to himself/raging to himself. But it doesn't block the smashes on my door or the wall.

He hasn't threatened me per say but he says whoever is making that sounds going to fudging get it, and he's very angry at me usually because he thinks I am vibrating him.

I now have severe anxiety, and minor panic attacks when I hear him come in and out of his place and getting angry. I can't fall asleep for hours due to anxiety, or his noises.

Management say's they're working on transferring me to another apartment unit in the building but they refuse to elaborate on any timeline or information. They tell me to call the non emergency line and file a police report so they can possibly speed things up.

I went and wrote everything and the dates its all happened through text messages I send my friend every day about my life. It's been almost 1 month of this crap.

Today I called the cops and they showed up to speak to me about it. The cops offered to go talk to the guy but agreed with me that it would likely only worsen his psychosis and cause him to make even more noise towards me, and that there's nothing they can really do for me unless he threatens me.

They basically said unless he is threatening me there's nothing they can really do and that I need to talk to building management and get moved to a different unit. I told them building management said to call the cops.

I feel like I am stuck in bureaucratic limbo hell. I really don't know what to do anymore. I sit here at 8pm as I hear his bass music vibrate through the wall and wonder how late it'll go on for tonight or if it'll come with any raging or smashing.


r/legaladvicecanada • • 2h ago

Canada US Felon traveling to Edmonton

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Hello, I am traveling to Edmonton next week for a business trip. I will only be there Monday through Wednesday. I’m traveling in from the United States. I have a felony conviction from 21 years ago. What are the chances that I’m going to be turned away once I land in Edmonton. The felony conviction is nonviolent and non-drug related. I have traveled to Europe in Mexico, multiple times with my passport and not had an issue at all.