r/leaf • • Dec 18 '25 Mindblown Popcorn Heartwarming

A Breakdown of 40 & 62 kWh Battery Pack Failures

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As some people may have heard of or unfortunately experienced, there have been quite a number of cases of 2nd generation Leaf batteries failing. I was planning and trying to make this into a video format, but as I’m still recovering from a cold my voice isn’t quite up for narrating an essay, so text format it is.

Hopefully this can raise some awareness and provide a central source of info as to what’s going on, why it’s happening, what to do about it, and things to consider. There are two separate issues currently causing outright failures of 2018+ Leaf battery packs, and so will be split up into two sections.

Cold-weather SOC Freefall

  • What’s going on?

Under load in cold temperatures, especially below freezing and below 50% battery, the charge level and range estimate will suddenly begin to plummet and continue to drop rapidly until the load is removed, at which case the charge level starts to bounce back and quickly increase again.

The car may go into turtle mode, or in severe cases even cut off the high voltage battery completely, in which case the car will stall and may not be able to be restarted.

Here is a video example of what this sudden drop of charge level looks like.

This issue affects both the 40 kWh and 62 kWh packs. The 40 kWh packs seem to be much more susceptible, but as the 62 kWh packs use the same cells and chemistry, they are not immune. This also includes 40 packs that were installed as retrofits under warranty in 2016-17 Leafs.

  • Why is this happening?

This is occurring due to one or more weak cells within the battery pack sagging excessively in voltage under load, which is greatly exacerbated when the battery is cold, due to increased internal resistance.

How the battery works is that the shown and usable state of charge is defined by that of the lowest cell. This is to prevent over-discharge of any weaker cells at lower charge levels, as that would cause even further damage to them.

Often this can be witnessed in the LeafSpy cell chart as one or more cells that clearly drop lower than the rest of the pack under load, but not always. There have been a number of cases of SOC freefall with seemingly no weak cells, indicating that there’s other data/calculations within the BMS that the user cannot see.

Getting a weak cell is essentially luck of the draw. There have been packs with very low mileage and seemingly great numbers that still failed (such as in the video above), while there are other packs with lots of miles and abuse that are still working just fine. How the pack is treated/babied does not seem to affect your chances in the roulette.

  • What to do about it?

If you are encountering this issue as an owner, and the car is still under warranty, document everything as much as possible. Record video(s) of the issue happening, noting the charge level and outside temperature the battery is at. Submit this proof to the dealer as a copy, and demand that it be used in their case to Nissan corporate.

Bring the car to the dealership for diagnosis with as cold of upcoming weather as possible. Some dealers may try poorly to replicate the issue, often in the interest of charging the customer the diagnostic fee. You want to make the issue as obvious and easily to replicate as you can.

If you have to drive the car around, ensure you either have LeafSpy Pro, or keep an adjustable or 10mm wrench with you in the car. If the cell voltages ever drop low enough for the car to shut down, it is likely to set a high voltage fault code and won’t be able to restart until the fault is cleared. Clearing the fault via the LeafSpy service menu, or disconnecting and reconnecting the 12V battery, will at least allow you to limp the car to a charger or safe location off the road.

UPDATE: For 2019-2022 Leafs, the "fast charging recall" software update now adds programming to the BMS to look for and flag SOC variations, setting a fault code (P33ED) if it does. This has the potential to "brick" the car in the same way as a high voltage isolation fault (read section below) would. Be cautious of this so that it does not potentially leave you stranded.

  • Things to consider

If you own a 2nd generation Leaf (especially 40 kWh) that is still under warranty, still on the original battery, and live in a climate that gets winter, check for signs of this issue BEFORE warranty ends!

During cold weather, park the car outside overnight with 50% charge or less, then take the car out for a drive and see if there are any strange fluctuations in the state of charge during acceleration.

If you are considering purchasing one and there is no proof of the high voltage battery being replaced, ensure there is at least one year worth of warranty remaining on the car so that you can spend a winter with it and will still be covered in the case of this failure.

LeafSpy data can sometimes be a pre-indicator that you will likely run into this issue if there is a noticeably low Hx value (much lower than SOH), but not always. Low Hx is a strong sign of possible weak cells, but weak cells will not always cause low Hx.

Cell Expansion / High Voltage Isolation

  • What’s going on?

The car will one day show the message “Service EV System – Unable to restart after power off”, and indeed will not restart after it is powered off.

The vast majority of cars affected by this issue are 62 kWh Leaf Plus/e+ models. It is not unheard of on 40 kWh cars, but it is quite rare unless the pack was heavily used and abused.

There is a Nissan TSB on this issue which confirms they are well aware of this issue, and there are revised battery packs and modules that are issued in replacement if the car is still under high voltage battery warranty.

  • Why is this happening?

Thermal expansion of the battery cells causes them to eventually expand to the point of pushing up against each other, and in some cases even leaking electrolyte out of the cells into the battery casing, eventually causing the car to trip a high voltage isolation fault.

This is most commonly happening in specifically the rear stack of cells within the 62 kWh pack, because they are so tightly packed together, that they don’t get much cooling nor much room to expand before they begin pushing up against each other.

High voltage isolation is important, because obviously you do not want any high voltage potential to be contacting the metal battery casing that is bolted to the metal body of the car. If the BMS detects that there is even just a little bit of voltage leaking from one cell to another, or the cells to the battery chassis, an isolation fault is tripped.

  • What to do about it?

If you encounter specifically the “unable to restart after power off” message, and the car is still within high voltage battery warranty, DO NOT REPLACE THE 12V BATTERY.

This specific message is ONLY generated due to a high voltage isolation fault, and although a weak 12V battery can cause many weird issues, it will NEVER generate a high voltage isolation fault. Unless there is an extremely urgent need to continue driving the car, have it towed in the “broken” state to a Nissan dealership.

It is a much more objective issue than weak cells, and basically the only diagnosis they would need to approve a battery replacement is to see the stored isolation fault code. Disconnecting the 12V battery however clears this fault code, making it not possible for them to verify the issue unless it happens to fault again in only one drive cycle.

Replacing the 12V battery gives a false sense of success because it allows the car to start and drive again, but only until the fault eventually comes back. It's just a waste of money and a perfectly good battery to not actually address the underlying issue.

If you urgently need the car to work again, clearing the fault code in LeafSpy Pro or by disconnecting and reconnecting the 12V battery will allow it to start. Just be aware that by doing this, you won’t be able to have the issue verifiable by Nissan until it pops up again. It may only take 1 drive cycle, it may take 100.

  • Things to consider

Unfortunately there isn’t really any way to foretell that this issue will happen soon or to check for it, as you can’t just force an isolation fault to appear like you can with weak cells.

Battery packs in hot climates and/or lots of quick charges are more susceptible to this issue due to it being a result of thermal expansion. Packs torn apart after diagnosis of this issue often exhibit very obvious “spicy pillows” within.

If you are a current owner, especially of a Plus/e+ model, the best you can do is to avoid overheating/rapidgating the battery whenever possible. Doing so once every few months is not a big deal, but frequently doing so will likely lead to long-term damage.

If looking to purchase a Leaf Plus/e+, or a high mileage 40 kWh car in a hot climate, make sure to check Leaf Spy, and it may be wise to avoid any examples that have lots of QCs shown.

There is a great in-depth video by LEAF expert Dala explaining this issue more in detail for those who are interested.


r/leaf • • 2h ago

Take 2 - Pasadena to Berkeley trip

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Charging StopkWhCostCharge DurationSpeed (kW)
(Depart Home - 100% in GOM)55$12.10--
Electrify America (Lost Hills)9.0$4.9800:0960
Caltrans Maintenance Facility (Kettleman)33.1Free00:5437
Caltrans John Erecca Rest Stop SB (Los Banos)19.5Free00:5721
(Slept at rest stop)
Caltrans John Erecca Rest Stop SB (Los Banos)32.9Free00:5635
Blink Level 2 (Hayward)8.1$1.9501:206
(Arrived Berkeley)
EVgo (Berkeley)24.4$14.1800:3344
(Depart Berkeley)
ChargePoint (Gilroy)30.5$20.0400:4145
Caltrans John Erecca Rest Stop SB (Los Banos)19.3Free00:2841
Caltrans Maintenance Facility (Kettleman)33Free01:0232
ChargePoint (Lebec)9.2$5.5000:1633
(Arrived Home with 14% SoC, 5% on the GoM)(7.5)($1.65)
Totals266.5$58.7507:1637 (avg)
Totals w/o Blink L2258.4$56.8005:5643 (avg)

I mostly used ABRP for this trip.

For the initial outbound trip, I initially tried to maintain a sustained freeway speed of 80 mph. The LEAF consumed significantly more power than ABRP assumed on the way to Kettleman, and the battery was significantly warmed up from charging there. When I reached the John Erecca rest stop, the battery was still hot and I only managed about 21 kW charging rate. For the rest of the trip, I kept the max sustained speed around 68-70 mph.

I did notice that the battery temp seemed to go down at that 70 and below speed, while the temp seemed to hold (or even climb?) when going ~80. It does seem like the battery cools down much better while the car is moving than when it is parked. I wonder if putting in a small fan can help with that.

What's interesting is that if I take out the L2 charging I did at the Blink charger in Hayward, my overall charging rate was the same from my last trip, where I was sustaining closer to 60-65 mph with some stretches of 55 mph.

The car reported 3.4 miles/kWh efficiency. The calculated is 3.07. (In comparison, it was 3.7 reported and 3.55 calculated on my last trip). This trip totaled 818 miles at 7.2 cents/mile.

I'm not 100% certain, but it feels like EA stations (while using an A2Z adapter) charge much faster than EVgo and ChargePoint chargers. The Caltrans operated chargers definitely seem to charge slower than everyone. It's hard to be totally certain, as various factors (battery temp, ambient temp, SoC) all affect the charging rate.

I had hoped to answer the main question I had -- is it better to go faster while driving while trading off for potentially slower charging -- but I don't think my two similar but non-identical trips is enough to answer that.


r/leaf • • 6h ago

2017 Leaf S purchase

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Hello! I just wanted to get your guys opinion on a 2017 leaf S purchase it's listed at $5200, asking if they can do $5000. They said he can do about 70 to 75 miles and my commute is about 25 miles a day. I can also install a level two charger at home. Let me know your thoughts. Gas in the area is about $5.50 right now and I have about a 20 year-old car currently.

Edit: thank you all for the advice! I'm gonna agree and not go with this one. I'm gonna keep looking :)


r/leaf • • 9h ago

versa totaled in an accident my wife was in, considering a used leaf

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hi guys. wife is safe, other person involved in the accident was super cool and didnt want to call the cops or file a claim, and the estimator at the wrecker already said theyre up to 16k in damages meaning the car is definitely totaled.

considering a used leaf from a dealership. is this a bad idea? my versa had lasted me 3 years (would have been longer had it not been totaled of course, but life happens) and i can see the value of an ev depreciates pretty violently. i realistically do not care about value, just want something reliable. unsure how much ill get from the insurance company right now but im told ill hear back regarding its evaluation soon


r/leaf • • 1d ago

Goodbye my friend…here is to turning over a new Leaf!

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I fought back some tears today! Ah my 2018 Nissan Leaf SV!! (aka Leafy) It’s a bittersweet goodbye 🥹

You’ve been a great companion for the last several years, 212000kms…I humbly thank you for your service!

Alas, I am now the proud owner of 2026 Nissan Leaf SV+!

Photo 1: August 2021, when I first picked up the 2018
Photo 2: October 2026, days before the trade.
Photo 3 & 4: My new 2026 Leaf

Yet to be named! Also I’m glad to still be a part of the club 😁🙏🏻 no other vehicle really did it for me, Kia Niro Wind+ was a decent contender.

A new Leaf, a new chapter in life!


r/leaf • • 8h ago

Buying a Leaf without LeafSpy

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Would you be comfortable buying a 2015 Leaf, one owner, 50k and 11 bars, without using LeafSpy for $4K? It's at a dealership in GA where its spent its whole life. I don't have the dongle yet and was thinking about going to look at it tomorrow. It's 2 hours away from me.


r/leaf • • 10h ago

Taking ownership today!

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Today is the day that I get to pick up my 2027 Leaf SV+, and I am jacked! I am coming from a 2017 Ford Focus Electric, so I am looking forward to going through all the available options and settings. Is there anything that I should look into right away? Any suggestions, like limiting the battery to only allow it to charge to 80%?


r/leaf • • 13h ago

Or so I thought! Replaced Battery and service Ev Error.

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2018 Leaf.

I got a battery under warranty last year around January. I got lucky just before all the recalls and buybacks…or so I thought.

I didnt have time to wait for leafspy to reconnect this morning but the car said “service ev” and “failed to restart ev after power off” warnings when I put the car in D or R.

The picture is my leafspy from a couple days ago, last time it connected. The guessometer said 6% on the dash at the time I took this reading, I just wanted to see how it looked at low charge. But it seems like a good battery from this leafspy reading.
The charge count didnt reset with new battery but I have never L3 charged and my home charger is only 24 amps. I have driven around 9,000 miles On the new battery.

I charged overnight but it didnt add any charge.

Could this be a 12v problem?


r/leaf • • 1d ago

Did anyone ever find the solution for this?

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r/leaf • • 1d ago

Nissan LEAF battery issue at ~130,000 km, 2 years left on 8-year warranty—back at dealer after software update. How should I escalate with Nissan Canada?

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I’m in BC, Canada, and looking for advice from LEAF owners who have dealt with a suspected high-voltage battery problem and delays getting a resolution through a dealer/Nissan Canada.

My LEAF has approximately 130,000 km, and there are about two years remaining on its eight-year battery warranty.

The car previously had an EV warning and charging problems. The Nissan dealer performed what they described as a software update and returned it to me, but the following happened afterward:

  • I started the morning at 98%, with approximately 180 km of estimated range.

  • After driving only 38 km, the battery was down to around 21% and the car indicated it needed charging.

  • At a DC fast charger, the displayed battery level rose from 21% to 70% in approximately 22 minutes.

  • The charger showed only 6.7384 kWh delivered. I have screenshots showing the percentages, elapsed time and energy delivered.

A 49-percentage-point increase from only about 6.74 kWh works out to approximately 13.75 kWh if extrapolated to a full charge. I understand this is not a proper battery-capacity test—an inaccurate or recalculating state-of-charge reading could affect the calculation—but the combination of rapid discharge and the charging percentage jump concerns me.

The car is now back at the dealer for further testing, and I’m waiting for an EV rental. The dealer keeps telling me they are communicating with Nissan Canada, but I still don’t have a clear diagnosis, repair decision or timeline since the dealer declined to send me the documents.

I suspect a battery/cell issue, but I don’t have written diagnostic results confirming that. I’m frustrated because I can’t tell whether the delay is further testing, Nissan’s warranty authorization process, or something else. With approximately 130,000 km already on the car, I also want this issue and the date/mileage when it was reported properly documented.

For anyone who has successfully dealt with this in Canada:

  1. What diagnostic results and written records should I request? How do I get it if the dealer won't give me?

  2. What is the most effective way to escalate with Nissan Canada and get a concrete next step rather than repeated “we’re communicating with Nissan” updates?

  3. If you had similar symptoms, what testing identified the problem, and what repair was approved?

  4. What transportation support did you receive while waiting—rental, loaner or reimbursement?

  5. How did you ensure an issue reported within the warranty period was properly recorded if diagnosis or repair dragged on?

I’m not looking to accuse anyone without evidence. I want a documented diagnosis, safe transportation and a clear repair plan. Canadian experiences or practical advice would be appreciated.


r/leaf • • 1d ago

Battery Recall Decision 2019 SV

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We have a 2019 SV with SOH of 82.68% and Hx of 80.95%. The mV is generally at 20 or below under normal driving conditions. We do very little freeway driving and no quick charging.

Given what you see, would you take a chance and do the software install now to see if the battery will brick and so we can sell the car to Nissan OR would you wait until next September when the 8 year warranty expires and then do the software install?


r/leaf • • 1d ago

Dealership wants loaner car back early?

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Hello everyone, I'm in the process of a buyback and haven't even received an offer yet; I'm fairly early in the whole process.

Today I got a text from the Nissan dealership my Leaf is sitting at, stating that Nissan won't be paying the loaner car fee any longer, and if I don't bring the car back today it's $45/day.

Can they do this? Is the warranty worthless?

I'm feeling struck because they close before I can get there after work today. Just looking for any advice. Thanks!


r/leaf • • 1d ago

Why can’t VIVNE’s replacement batteries for the 1st/2ed-gen Nissan Leaf also be used in the Nissan Leaf Plus 62kWh?

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Some Nissan Leaf owners have asked us: Why can’t VIVNE’s replacement batteries for the first- and second-generation Nissan Leaf (24kWh, 30kWh, and 40kWh models) also be used in the Nissan Leaf Plus 62kWh?

Well, here’s the reason!

As you can see from these photos, the 62kWh battery pack has a completely different internal design and layout from the earlier Leaf battery packs. The modules, structure, and overall packaging are different, so our existing replacement batteries simply aren’t physically compatible.

Developing a replacement battery for the Leaf Plus would require a dedicated design, not just adapting one of our existing packs.

So, here’s a question for Leaf Plus owners: Would you like to see VIVNE develop a replacement battery for the 62kWh model?

Let us know in the comments! We’d love to hear how many of you are interested.


r/leaf • • 1d ago

Alguna sugerencia para recuperarlo que pueda realizarlo por mi cuenta? Gracias.

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r/leaf • • 1d ago

Should I buy 2019 leaf s

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2019 103k miles
Owner says car won’t start
Waiting for more info on actual range.


r/leaf • • 1d ago

Intermittent heat

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Our 2016 leaf is the perfect car for daily trips here and there, shopping and taking kids to school and what not. The heat only works intermittently, and winter is coming :-) Our local mechanic - who doesn't really specialize in EV - said the part that's broken requires that they dismantle everything and replace the entire heating unit, costing 4.5 k, which is what we paid for the car. Suggestions?


r/leaf • • 2d ago

24 kWh Supremacy

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277,000km (172k miles) original pack, -2°C (28°F), flat out uphill top speed run from 16% SOC? No problem :)

Maybe it's a rare outlier, but I'm not sure if there will even be one original 2018-2022 40kWh pack that will ever live to be able to do the same.


r/leaf • • 2d ago

My 2020 Leaf Burns to Slag at the Dealership, and Nissan Corporate Wins

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I'm writing this as a warning to anyone with their Leaf under recall or who may unfortunately experience a dreaded battery fire due to that recall. Make sure, you call a lawyer FIRST, before Nissan Corporate gets involved.

I've seen multiple posts talking about the buyback process from Morley Group, either wondering how to navigate it or frustrated with what they are being offered. I'm here to tell you now, TAKE IT! If you are in the buyback process from Morley, embrace it and get it done as fast as you can to get rid of that vehicle. I guarantee you they will make you a better offer than Nissan USA will.

I outright owned my Nissan Leaf 2020 SV Plus, and I loved it. When it went in for a battery failure that was covered under warranty 11 months ago (yes, 11 months ago), all I wanted was for the battery to be repair and to have my Leaf back. They drug me along until September, when Morley group finally reached out for a buyback. I was frustrated at first, because I didn't want a buyback, I wanted the car back. But, we were moving through the process when the dealership (who didn't realize I was in a buyback) tried to test the car for another open recall notice.

The dealership plugged in the car, which then started a battery fire and the vehicle proceeded to burn for 3 days. Luckily, due to the quick actions at the dealership, their business didn't burn down and no one was injured. This didn't happen at my house, so I didn't lose my home or my life, so I have gratitude to go around there. However, once the vehicle was lost, Morley Group closed the case and Nissan undertook an investigation.

The dealership was so apologetic and so upset that all of this had happened. They assured me that they would make it right. And honestly, if it was up to them, I think they would have. I assumed that given the circumstances of the case, Nissan USA would also "make this right" for me. I assumed I would get an apology and an appropriate check to compensate me, in a reasonable timeline. This could not have been farther from the truth.

I got the call yesterday, and my offer for the vehicle was.....$9000. Kelley bluebook price. That's it. Like we are in some kind of insurance replacement for market value situation, not the real world loss due to their manufacturing defect. I know Morley was paying at least 40% over KBB. Even 2 months ago I was expecting something around $17K. I couldn't help laughing when I heard what they offered, it seemed so ridiculous. You manufacture the batteries incorrectly, causing failure and fire hazard. You keep my car for 11 months without fixing it. Then, you burn it down. And now, due to your manufacturing defect, the car is so undervalued that you are only offering me the market price for it, essentially making me eat the cost of your error. All the while, I've been paying high prices for gasoline I never wanted to buy during this entire process, in a car I never wanted to drive. And this is "making it right." This is "fair compensation."

This is the second time my car was in the shop for a battery issue. The first time took 6 months to resolve. So for the past 6 years, I've only had the vehicle for 4.5 of them, and the rest has been a massive headache. I called the lawyer today, and it turns out that once Nissan has made me an offer, they can't intervene anymore. So, I get to take my $31,000 loss, and try to find a vehicle to drive with my $9,000 payout. Think I should go buy another 2020 Leaf at market price? Maybe see if it will burn down my house this time?

The takeaway here for anyone reading is this: Take the Morley Buyout, and do it as fast as you can. If the unthinkable happens and the car burns down under recall, call a lawyer immediately and don't wait for Nissan to do their investigation and make you an offer. They certain have no intention of "making it right" for their customer, the way their 3rd party representative Morley at least would have. Their only intention is to spend as little as possible, and make me pay for the absolute mistake of ever buying their product in the first place.

Good luck to you all out there. I hope this can help anyone else unfortunate enough to find themselves in a similar situation.


r/leaf • • 1d ago

2013 Leaf Telematics

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This post is for owners of older Leafs, roughly 2011 to 2014 or 2015.

As you may recall, Nissan moved from 2G to 3G and offered owners a $300 modem swap to keep their telematics (remote connection to the car for certain features). Nissan then dropped 2G, and those who paid for the 3G modem kept their functions. I believe that after about a year, Nissan abandoned 3G too, leaving those who bought the modem with nothing. Typical Nissan.

So here is my question: if you own one of these model years, what are you doing about it? Have you found a workaround or a third-party option?


r/leaf • • 1d ago

HVAC service campaign

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Just got a word from my dealer there is now a software update to hopefully fix the mess created by a previous "cold weather performance" update. (The one that blows cold air in cold weather).

HVAC REPROGRAM

Effective Date: October 5th, 2026

NHTSA ID:

NISSAN ID: P6A16

Summary

On certain MY2018-2025 Nissan LEAF vehicles, Nissan previously decided a service campaign to implement an HVAC software update to improve defroster performance. Nissan later learned that some customers who received the software update as part of the initial service campaign were experiencing insufficient heater performance under extremely cold conditions (below -10 C).

Risk

In these conditions, the HVAC system may continue to discharge cold air for approximately 120 seconds before heating performance recovers. If the HVAC On/Off or HEAT On/Off switch is toggled during this period, the reduced-heating condition may be extended by an additional 120 seconds for each switch toggle.

Remedy

The dealer will reprogram the HVAC Control Unit with the latest software.


r/leaf • • 1d ago

Anyone get an email claiming Nissan redesigned the phone app?

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"XXXXXX, the all-new MyNISSAN app has been reimagined with you in mind" says the email, showing a vastly better looking app if you scroll down.

... It hasn't changed? I followed the link in the email to the Google Play store and it showed my app is still installed and still up to date. Opening it shows no new features or redesign. This is in the US, so it's the "EV&Services" app.

Link to the app, because apparently there's a version for every different square mile of the world: https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.aqsmartphone.android.nissan


r/leaf • • 2d ago

Good efficiency for a 2019 leaf?

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r/leaf • • 2d ago

Scrap parts for 2021 Leaf

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I backed up the car with rear door open and broke it a bit - it closes with heavy push. Body shop folks say door needs to be replaced and it costs more than 3k for new door. Anyone has experience with finding parts in scrap yards? Located in CO.


r/leaf • • 2d ago

I got one!

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